Any games that are confirmed to have cheating AIs?

>>382423378
Yu-Gi-Oh Forbidden Memories.

>>382423697
How was it confirmed?

>>382423378
Mario kart

define cheating

>>382423786
Use the gameshark code (300EA02F 0000) to reveal the opponent hand and go fight Henshin or Nitemare. They can transform any card into shit like Meteor B. Dragon and Megamorph.

>>382423378

Other than chess AI, I literally can't think of a single example of AI from RTS, FPS, Racing Games etc that doesn't cheat to some degree.

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>>382423378
not the one you're playing

>>382424275
performing actions the player can't, or ignoring rules imposed on the player

any AI in a fighting game

>>382423378
Every AI cheats, some are just good at hiding it.

All CPUs, regardless of difficulty setting, always know what you're doing (they're trying to change this in SC2).

Insane makes 20 gold per trip, vs. the usual 10.

Beating a CPU is a totally different playstyle and "skill" than beating real people. Even beating and Insane CPU means less than beating an average soloer. Beating a CPU is beating a non-adaptive formula

>>382423378
CS:GO

>>382423697
Someone post the webm.

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>>382423378
Mario Kart SNES made me so mad as a kid. AI didn't play by the rules, infinite items.

Loved it though.

>>382423378
Mario kart 64

In Mario Kart Double Dash, if you were far enough away from them, CPUs would ignore things like Fake Items and Bananas. Literally drive right though them.

>>382423378
Every RTS

>>382423378
literally any 4x game

The AI in the first civilization game can straight up insta build wonders whenever it wants to screw you over.

>>382423378
All of them.

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>>382423786
The AI can pull out any card it wants.

>>382424360
chess AI doesn't cheat

recalling thousands of other games and what moves lead to victory isn't cheating, the computer just has a better memory than you do

>>382423378
Most since AI can't usually ever hope to just match human intelligence

S.T.A.L.K.E.R

You can have the same equipment and the same rusty weapon as an enemy... but he'll always 1-shot you from 300 meters.

Age of Mythology.
Any AI beyond normal has a steady stream of resources. You can see this is the statistics after the game even if you killed all his workers and eait half an hour he will keep pumping out new ones amd his resources keep increasing

>>382423378
>>382424453
Almost all RTS AIs on higher difficulties

UMK3 made me angry at some points in which i had to revert into outcheesing the ai instead

>>382424478
FUCK YOU MK IMPOSSIBLE TOWERS

>>382424839
>normal summons a gorillion star monster
wow

>>382424845

You might want to re-read his post champ.

All games do. Not one shooter has ever had it so that enemies can run out of ammo for example.

>>382424845
read his post again

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Chess.

For example, StockFish engine uses an opening book when it makes its first moves. No human is allowed to read an opening book when playing in a tournament. Therefore it's cheating.

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100% Orange Juice, especially Tomomo in every final scenario and Tomomo Hell. She'll even admit to cheating once you beat her. This consists of her having a much higher chance of rolling 5s and 6s, and quite a few of your own rolls being on the low end.

Extreme mode is even more bullshit because the game doesn't even try to pretend it's not rigging the game in the AI's favor.

>>382424845
>other than chess AI
Anon in charge of reading comprehension

>>382424968
Forbidden Memories rules are different, you can summon any monster or magic or trap card, but just one per turn.

>>382424839
>The AI can pull out any card it wants.
Not exactly. Each opponent has a list of cards they can have in their deck, each with a certain chance of appearing. What they draw and transform depends on rng and there's a lot of factors that go into that. There's also a thing called ''easy modes'' which is where the opponent just straight up only plays the weakest cards he can play. Though why this happens when he can just transform those cards into BEUDs is anyone's guess.

Every rts ever made

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Starcraft 2's Brutal computers passively get extra minerals and gas, allowing them to build stuff quicker.

Most games, but it's not so much cheating as it is a handicap to compensate for the fact that AIs are rarely ever as good as a human player.

Pokemon Stadium

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>>382423378
the original Battlefield 1942 , you can even watch it spawn or despawn tanks and units as needed, your ai soldiers shoot like stormtroopers, the enemy ai soldiers are the sniper elite

>>382425215
it can pull any card from it's card pool

>>382425020
don't all chess AIs work like that?

>>382423378
Crash Team Racing final boss. Bastard gets a head start on the second ref light instead of the green like everyone else.

>>382423378
Nintendo openly admitted that F-Zero X AI cheated. The CPU gets access to boost from the fucking start of the race, rather than lap 2 like the player.

Then there's F-Zero GX:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmHlcEV6tUI

If you get too far ahead, the AI will pull TAS style out of bounds skips just to catch up with you.

F-zero gives negative fucks about being fair.

>>382425020

But that's wrong.

That's like saying anyone who's ever read an opening book and plays a game of chess is cheating.

>>382425620
>Pokémon
FTFY

>>382423378
C&C3 gives the AI free units periodically that they don't pay for and their buildings autorepair faster than your manual repairs. On the highest difficulty you literally can't destroy buildings without a medium-sized army because they'll regenerate faster than you can deal damage.

>>382423378
endless games
easy is the AI without cheats

>>382426308
that sideboosting speedrunner guy was really fucking good

In most 4X games the AI, especially on harder difficulties, gets additional resources out of nowhere. Atleast so I've understood.

>>382423378
Most racing games have rubberbanding bullshit.

>>382423378
Recently discovered this in Tekken 6.
If you are going for a grab or throw, the AI will just go in low cover for 0.2s while beeing inside of a combo, and return to it right after, dodging your attack. I watched some pro games after, that never happened in any one of them.
So basically they read your input and screw you over

One could argue that the Arma 2 AI on the most difficult setting is cheating since it can nail long distance headshots on targets the player would barely be able to distinguish from the background.

>>382423378
Civ V AIs get massive boosts to everything on Deity

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>>382424864
You gotta use cover and lean

>>382428065

Civ V's AI get huge boosts on everything that isn't the lowest couple settings.

>>382423378
dark souls 2
the AI controlled invaders can cancel any animation whenever they please

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>>382429952

Super Mario Kart. A.I has access to abilities that they can activate endlessly. Bowser throws fire balls behind him, Peach and Toad lay shrink mushrooms, Mario and Luigi can activate starman whenever they want, etc

>>382430079
Man, DaS2 was such a shitshow

>382424453
>Almost all RTS AIs on higher difficulties

Fucking this. RA2's Hard AI does this and it's blatantly open in the rulesmd.ini file

>>382430079
Nothing about any of the Dark Souls games ever got to me for real except FUCKING MALDRON.
FUCK THAT HACKING PIECE OF SHIT UP THE ASS WITH HIS OWN FUCKING GREATLANCE.
REEEEEEEEEE

>>382423378
SF2 CPU Guile can Flash Kick instantly while the player would have to charge it if they wanted to use it.

RTS still havent got good AI
On harder difficulty they still rely on cheating extra gold and shit

>>382428065
I think Civ IV AI just gets a ton of boosts too.

>>382423378
Mario Kart 64
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JV-kMYLYCo&t

>>382427004
Yeah. 4x difficulty is basically determined by how much the game cheats for you/for the AI.

>>382425968
Yeah... uh. I think that guy is shitposting, brother.

>>382423378
Any Total War game.

What racing game doesn't have cheating A.I?

>>382432239
carmageddon

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this faggot cunt bitch ass nigga

>game with chance based attacks
>your generally high chance attacks miss 80% of the time when it would benefit you
>AI's 10% chance to deal 9999 damage attacks conveniently always hit when they need it

fuck that nonsense

>>382432894
>hurf durf what are statistics how does probability work

Level 7 AI on lethal league

Dota 1 bot map had hilariously cheating AI enemies

if you put them on insane difficulty they'd gain more xp than you, so they'd end up outleveling you even if you denied every single creep

also if you played skillshot heroes like pudge the AI would automatically dodge the hook unless you were hugging their asses

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnKPBYUr8ZU
Digimon Digital Card Battle last boss.
>literally hacks your deck
>evolves straight to Ultimate on first turn every time
>uses bullshit op Sevens cards
God I fucking love this game

Gorons from the goron race in majora mask. They can speed up more than you and get ahead of you whenever they want

>>382433062
Casul

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Alright lads, what game has the fairest, most human-like AI you can think of?

>>382432894
>survivorship bias

>>382423378
Tekken 7

That fucking Akuma fight at the end is ridiculous even on the medium difficulty

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>>382423378
Literally ALL driving games, with the exception of Blur.

Rubber Banding AI is a fucking cheat.

>>382433314
>Yellow decks
Oh yeah I loved tricky decks.

>>382433921
Future Cop: LAPD

>>382433921
Fire Emblem Fates: Conquest.

>>382423378
ARMS

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100% Orange Juice

>>382424532
This

>>382424861
An AI can't outsmart an experienced player on the majority of games, true, but they have a massive speed advantage. AI has virtually no reaction time and can micromanage a crazy amount of stuff at the same time.

>>382423378
The original pokemon gym leaders

Burnout 3
Revenge
Dominator and Paradise.
Rubber banded AI and the AI always has infinite boost.

AoE2 HD AI doesn't cheat afaik

>>382423378
Along with having RNG leveling system, I'm pretty certain the AI in Final Fantasy Crisis Core cheats. They spam unavoidable cutscene attacks that do thousands of damage constantly.

>>382423378
Guilty gear, can't remember which version it was. The final boss at arcade mode was that guitar girl and her super basically halfbar you in an instant

>>382423378
My dad

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>>382423378
Daily reminder that AI can't cheat, you dumb niggers.

A lot of FPS games can read you inputs and will shoot where youre going to be and not where you are/were. This might seem obvious, but on the higher difficulties it can be frustrating as fuck since you can die in only a few shots.

Take HALO on legendary for example. ELITEs can kill you in about 3 or 4 plasma rifle shots and those 4 shots will come out in 1 second or less. So if youre moving, and theyre shooting, and you dodge in the opposite direction, they will already be shooting in that direction and youll get killed with no way to have saved yourself (outside of getting into cover which isnt always possible).

>>382423378
Mario Kart Double Dash

>>382434553
Your mother fucked a robot?

>>382424478
This

They can just pull moves and specials off their command list, with no input time, it's fucking gay

>>382424839
Fuck, that is why this game is hard as balls

GTA 5.

Those cops keep appearing out thin air.

All total war games.

Though, I'm actually glad because it's harder and therefore more fun, I just wish when you crank up the difficulty in a total war game, instead of the AI cheating, it actually becomes smarter like better army management, better city management, knows when to choose battles and other shit.

>>382425027
You can just play Tomomo to balance it out though, once you unlock her

Just get her on easy and then come back and steamroll on the harder difficulty

>>382434825
>play Rome modded
>tfw full stacks of fully equipped units popping out of thin air
O-okay then

>>382423378
Call of Duty 4

The AI literally spawns grenades underneath your feet in places where it's physically impossible for the enemies to toss grenades. Fuck that game.

>>382423378
Practically every fighting game ever

>>382425968
Not necessarily. You can't build a table holding all possible situations on the chess board and the perfect move for that situation, it would take far too long to compute such a table. That's why, unlike simpler games like Connect Four, chess isn't "solved".
Old chess AI's, like the one that beat Kasparov, simulated a few moves in advances and then picked the move that, given an optimal play style by the opponent, would result in the best board for the AI. Dunno if modern AIs use other algorithms now, not that improving them would matter since they can easily beat humans anyway.

>>382434945
>modded

Those kind of things should already be in the base game...

>>382423378
every strategy game

>>382424478
Early SNK games are the worst about this. They basically read your inputs and react exactly how they should every time, it's incredibly annoying.

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>>382423378
Pretty much every RTS game.

I don't know what the fuck is up with RTS devs and decent AI

>>382424861
Monte carlo tree search + good heuristics can wreck shit in turn based games.
AlphaGo rek'd the best human player in Go, which was considered "hard" for AIs.

It's only a matter of time until the size of "turn" as perceived by AI becomes so short that it may as well be continuous time. Then it will start to beat humans in RTS, outmicroing lifeless korean biological robots.

>>382423378
Portal, the cake is a lie! hahaha videogame humor ;)

>>382433992
I don't think the AI in Gran Turismo cheated in the same way, the cars just drove around at a set speed. You could turn off rubber banding in NFSU2 single races, the AI was just ridiculously slow if you did though.

>>382435094
Xbots are so fucking normie

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C&C Generals AI will pump out hoards of units even if you completely cripple their economy.

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>>382435094
>taxi

>>382434543
They do. At least for the original Forgotten Empires AI, it cheated on very hard difficulty. Hard was normal and middle/easy was handicapped

>>382435502
I'm imagining FakeTaxi

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>>382435395
It's not just generals, its every CnC games.

In RA2 you can rush some spies and if you send one into a refinery you can see that the enemy gets 3X more starting funds.

>>382434745
honestly took it as satire. since the cops these days are painted as unstoppable killing machines compared to their lazy counterparts of gta iv era.

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>>382433921
modded stalker

>>382435949
Even if they're satire, they sure did put a damper on my playing experience.

Punch a guy, and literally five seconds later there's a cop trying to arrest you.

At three stars, fugedda about iiit.

Not even driving into the wilderness can help you, since the choppers keep appearing.

In short, cops ruined GTA 5.

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Killer Instincts 'Kyle' difficulty level is actually made to be cheating AI in that it reads your inputs and 100% of the time finds the most optimal strategy.

>>382423378
Anything made by SNK

>>382425620
>>382426386
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KS9hC7THYN8

I've done testing on Emerald as well, in the Battle Frontier, there's definite cheating.

>>382436165
Have you tried getting even slightly decent at the game?

>>382423378
Advance Wars. The AI can see everything in Fog of War and the only penalty they have is they need an unit next to an opposing unit if that unit is on an terrain before they can attack it.

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This game was the ultimate cheater.

>>382435949
>>382436165
I think they fucked it up in an attempt to balance it for Online while still working on the basics of the online mode, also they really want the player to utilise the new hiding mechanic. If you do the AI is so easy to lose.

>>382436467
I never managed to beat the final Sturm stage. Fuck those infinite respawning enemies.

>>382423378
literally almost any RTS ever made, how many RTS have a player mouse simulator for the AI?

>>382434973
>Cod4 on veteran
>that night mission where you get ambushed by people shooting from houses
>absolute meatgrinder, but manage to sneak around behind the houses
>try to enter the house from the basement and kill the guys shooting at friendly troops
>sneak in without a sound but somehow they instantly notice me, do 180 degree turn and headshot me

pretty much stopped playing there because it was just fucking tedious stressfest anyway

>>382436306
What do you mean?

Any Total war
Xcom

Anonymous 07/01/17(Sat)07:19:54 No.382436624

>>382423378 (OP)
literally almost any RTS ever made, how many RTS have a player mouse simulator for the AI?

Anonymous 07/01/17(Sat)07:21:37 No.382436749

>>382434973
>Cod4 on veteran
>that night mission where you get ambushed by people shooting from houses
>absolute meatgrinder, but manage to sneak around behind the houses
>try to enter the house from the basement and kill the guys shooting at friendly troops
>sneak in without a sound but somehow they instantly notice me, do 180 degree turn and headshot me

pretty much stopped playing there because it was just fucking tedious stressfest anyway

Anonymous 07/01/17(Sat)07:22:10 No.382436779

>>382436306
What do you mean?

Anonymous 07/01/17(Sat)07:22:32 No.382436812

Any Total war
Xcom

>>382436812
>Xcom
To this day I still believe the shown percentages aren't the real percentages

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>controls 2 settlements
>manages to upkeep 8 full stack armies
One unit cost about 50 currency. This is how the developers decided to balance the very hard difficulty.

>>382434552
Oh XX? Yeah that Ino boss can go fuck herself. IT's beatable, but that special move she has is bullshit and her damage output and combos were ridiculous.

>>382433992
Thanks doc

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>>382436972
>The huns literally get infinite stacks for free

>>382436968
It's actually fudged in your favour because players kept being shitters

>>382437075
Let's not even talk about those guys. Also fighting them as barbarians on an open field is suicide.
In turn the poison archers of the slavic nations are even more so OP

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I always thought it was stupid how Maior Kart 64's rubberband AI didn't just pick whoever was currently closest to the player. The game predetermines the finish of each AI for each GP (e.g. Bowser always comes in 1st, DK 2nd, Toad 3rd, etc.)

I first noticed this as a kid when I knocked whoever was in first off the long jump on Wario's Stadium and watched the map as they rocketed back to 2nd place after being leagues away from even 7th place just a minute before.

>>382423378
Empire Earth is probably the most shameless.
The AI always builds as many towers as possible round the circumference of their starting area, despite the fact that you only start with enough stone to build two, and mining it takes ages

>>382436305
Near as I can tell, the only cheating in the Battle Frontier is that all the pokemon have 252 EVs in every stat. Beyond that, all the problems come from the fact that there's no such thing as a strategy without a counter, and it's actually very unlikely that you won't be hard-countered at least once over the course of 50 straight battles. Hell, the more you're required to win back to back, the more likely that just one of those battles will be very unlucky for you.

>>382423378
Cheating AI used to mean enemy beats you with knowledge he shouldn't have or because he can things faster than you can.

Now it means enemy rolls over and lets you win even though you played like a retard. Play bad enough and the AI will go into retard mode and stop attacking you. I used to mod Crysis and there that concept was called "mercy time". If your health got low enough enemies would just stop shooting you (or at least they would stop hitting).

>>382432759
Not one boss in this game frustrated me more than this npc asshole. I would literally wait 4 minutes for him to change his trick weapon so he couldn't spam pistol me to death. Its a shame too because I love the hunter of hunters arc of the game so much

>>382436016
lmao

>>382436779
Try not being a shitter

>>382436016
Ayy nu blet...CYKA x^)

>>382437498
I just cheesed the fucker with Poison Knives. Didn't feel bad at all after I realized he instantly parrys you if you try to hit him more than once after an opening

>>382437457
in crysis the number of enemy who can hit you depends on the difficulty mode
it's not a bad idea

>>382424532
even the hardest difficulty AI in CS:GO is easy

Every RTS ever

>>382437457
Crysis needs a system like that because the concept of sending a single soldier to attack a military base is flat out retarded.

>>382437662
That's not a bad idea but mercy time is. It was just a little cooldown during which no enemy would shoot at you.

>health drops below x
>enemies stop shooting giving you time to seek cover

Especially in a game with health-regen that's a terrible concept. Manually removing it from the highest (!) difficulty mode was the first thing I ever "modded" about Crysis.

>>382437795
That game was all about models and great textures m80's

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>>382423378

The AI in fighting games can read your input so technically they're just pretending to be retarded.

>>382437795
No, it really didn't. If you drop that low in health you've already fucked up and you should die. It plays better when you turn that shit off.

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>>382437959
>tfw to smart for your enemy AI

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>join online chess website
>let opponent go first
>have a second match going against a super advanced chess AI
>input his moves against the AI and then use the AI's moves against my real opponent

>>382440351
This is why you play on ranked sites

>>382433992

Seems like you haven't played many racing games.

Mortal Kombat 2. Unless you abuse a sweeping kick, the 5th opponent onwards flat out counters your moves, it's bullshit. Mileena is the worst about this. The moment you jump to her, she will jump backwards and throw her Sai, if you uppercut, she will uppercut you faster than your animations can, if you jump or walk backwards for too long, she'll fall thru the fall and flying kick you. Trying to fight her before Kintaro is gg.

>>382423378
call of duty 4 and 5 on veteran used to ignore the fact you killed an enemy and would just have a floating gun shoot you, or theyd teleport grenades behind your cover

>>382428065
IIRC on Diety the AI starts with 2 settlers, a couple workers, some warriors and a scout, and when the AI settles a city every tile in its borders becomes improved instantly.

>>382430980
t.reddit

I remember Perfect Dark on N64 had multiplayer bots that would cheat if you turned the difficulty high enough. The hardest bots knew where everyone was on the map at all times and had 100% accuracy. If you had radar turned off the bot would literally teleport itself around the map to fuck you.