Which was better, /v/?

both were trash.
final fantasy has gone downhill since 7.

>>382407537
You sound like an underage who wants to seem ~grown up~ and jaded

>>382407727
nah i still enjoy games, ff is just trash.

FFX is so fucking terrible, and it's what ruined FF forever.

>game starts
>5 minute cutscene
>2 minutes of walking
>5 minute cutscene
>2 minutes of walking
>5 minute cutscene
>boss fight
>10 minute cutscene going over what just happened and what cutscenes will happen next with the really stupid light puzzle bullshit
>repeat

It's fucking trash, seriously. Fuck FFX and fuck you if you think that game is amazing.

>>382408146
So every FF since IV

12 hands down

>>382407260
X has better story
>X story line spawned the best FF battle system that is found in X-2
>characters were lovable
>everything about it engaged you from the music to the minute side characters and easter eggs
>tone of the story was NGE quality introspection and lethargy
>felt sad beating it

XII has better production value
>mythic
>stylish
>great voice acting
>huge scenes
>impressive cgi
>diversity

they're both good games but i personally did full playthroughs of X at least 9 times
dont really remember how XII ended

nobody wants to talk FF so why even replying

X-2

>>382407537
Don't be so predictable

>>382407260
They both have their merits and trying to compare them when they're so different is just silly.

>>382409553
I didn't like anything but the battle sytem in X-2 i felt really uncomfortable about how nothing was familiar. It's worth some appreciation though since there's a moral in it for those who understood X. Change is inevitable and the people you love won't be there forever X-2 just shows you that life goes on and Yuna instead of wasting her life with depressing over the loss of most of her friends and family she dedicated her time to forming new friendships with the goal of finding her lost lover. This is why the game had multiple endings.

You can't make 10 play itself, so it's automatically better.

>>382407260
Same game.

Both had you play a dipshit that followed around a far more interesting female lead and and a cool older dude.

>>382409897
Tidus was a bro and a total babe fuck you for comparing him to Vahn

>>382409869
how so

>>382407260

I enjoyed XII more for some reason. Both had great combat, but I like XII's world more. Both Vaan and Titus are insufferable though.

>>382410002
12 has the gambit system.

You can pretty much set the game up to win by itself.

>>382407727
>>382409664

Just your run of the mill summer posting.

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>>382408885
/thread
Quite honestly, if it weren't for the excessive grind, FFX would be my favorite game of all time. I don't think I've spent more time on a single game than it. Both games were great, but X really just hooked me in so much more.
>tfw to zanarkand starts playing
I WANT TO GO BACK

>>382410104
Put yourself in Tidus' shoes and you'll see why the guy deserves some respect. You'd probably still be stuck in Zanarkand ruins pissing yourself for mommy if the big fish didn't end up turning you into a turd.

>>382410183
I know that. Why is that worse than inputting commands manually?

Why would you present your opinions without justification anyway? It doesn't add anything to the discussion.

>>382409969
He was a whiny cunt. Vaan was just bland.

The story of a tired warrior escorting a doomed summoner for his own inner peace is way better then I was a twat sport guy who wasn't real. Same in XII, Ashe is the princess of a fallen kingdom carried by her disgraced knight looking for his honor.

The idea in both is great and even some of the gameplay elements are too, but both suffer the same problems. Weird romances, no world to really explore, garbage mini games and side content, and half the cast is annoying tits.

I will give X points for being finished. XII just ends on what thought was a midway boss. Points to XII though for a neater world even if it didn't get into as much as other games that take place in that universe.

>>382410312
no wonder you don't have a soul you're british

>>382410104
If WoW had the character and enemy models like FFXIV it'd be perfect.

Why don't they just wrap WoW up and start working on WoW2?

>>382410258
one requires strategy throughout the whole game the other requires menu tweaking for about 15 minutes

>>382410480
Can you explain why the menu tweaking isn't strategy?

>>382410258
>Why is that worse than inputting commands manually?
Because 10 forces you to play the game. You know what playing a game is, right?

>>382409846
>I didn't like anything but the battle sytem in X-2
What about the chocobo theme?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGIN2jkZVjE

>>382410429
because western RPGs and DnD are shit

>>382410523
requires less brain power providing no challenge making it worthless in terms of something to invest time in

>>382407260
X since it's my second favorite after VII, while XII was a boring, overly grindy piece of shit with flat characters.

>>382410561
I do, but it looks like you've got some arbitrary decision made on what isn't.

>>382410609
If I can set up a game to perform all of the combat for me, then I'm not really playing the game, am I? I can leave, make a sandwich, come back, and I will have missed nothing.

>>382410674
you can probably play FFX while XII plays itself

>>382410674
>If I can set up a game to perform all of the combat for me, then I'm not really playing the game, am I?
But you had to set it up in the first place, did you not?

>>382410674
I'm going to argue that in fact you are, since it doesn't set up the gambit itself. I find this complaint ridiculous.

If you want to make an argument, say that the battles are too similiar and don't require varied strategy or something. What you're saying is just... arbitrary.

>>382408146
FFX is the onl FF game I've played (and finished)

What should i move on to next?

>>382410782
shut the fuck up retard

>>382410831
VII then IX then the SNES games then drop the series and move on to another.

XII has better gameplay, better level design, better side-quests, much better voice acting. In fact, XII's English VA is one of the best I've ever heard in a Jrpg.

X has better story, characters and music

>>382410831
Dirge of Cerberus and then Advent Children

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2SHDFt8pSc

Might as well post it.

>>382410912
>In fact, XII's English VA is one of the best I've ever heard in a Jrpg.
It sounds like they're talking into a trash can though.

>>382410962
not him but i kinda like that it adds an effect that goes well with the setting

>>382410912
>XII has better gameplay

More like the worst gameplay in the series barring II. The license board and gambit system are two of the most retarded design choices in the history of video games.

>>382411062
Then why do gambits remain the best JRPG mechanic of all time?
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-05-31-final-fantasy-12s-gambits-remain-one-of-jrpgs-best-ideas-in-years

>>382410831
X-2

>>382411062
it was a gimmick to get people to like the system and pay into their dying MMO FFXI

>>382410962
IIRC, there was something fucked up with the audio compression due to memory limitations on the disc. Not 100% sure on that, so don't quote me on it.

>>382410960
It still amazes me that, to this day, this is by far the comfiest song I've ever heard.

>>382411119
Because those faggots obviously enjoy watching their games instead of playing them.

>>382410782
Yes, and it took all of 5 minutes to do. Afterward, I don't really need to touch the game again.

>>382410815
>I'm going to argue that in fact you are, since it doesn't set up the gambit itself.
If I set up the gambits and leave, the game continues to play itself while I do something else. You could say I don't have to use Gambits, but then I'd spend the whole time playing FF12 thinking that I could be doing something better with my time if I turned on Gambits to make the game play itself, and I'd be right. Playing FF12 is objectively a waste of time.

>>382410674
>set gambits up
>get group debuffed
>by the time you buff yourself up again your team gets wiped
Oh shit

>>382411174
Do you know if sound is reencoded for the upcoming PS4 release?

>>382411278
But you're still playing the game. Repeating the same non-argument won't help friend. You've just made this decision on what is and what isn't gameplay. It's complete bullshit.

>>382411342
Yes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_L15cLOkM0

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>>382407260
One's a hallway simulator while the other's an actual game.

XII for sure.

>>382411342
those shits probably ripped all the VA from a ps2 disc doubt they have the originals on file since SE always deletes stuff

>>382410418
Not British. And I actually enjoyed X and XII fairly well. They are both severely flawed, but some parts are worth dealing with that.

>>382410429
Cannabilism of their own product. Also rebooting WoW wouldn't bring back what made it the monster game it is. It was huge compared to anything else at the time and had a big nerdy community making goofy videos and jokes and working together. Now its infested with dudebro bastards like everything else now that highspeed internet is common.

>>382411412
>But you're still playing the game.
Not if the gambits are doing everything for me and I go do something else.

>>382411342
I know they've redone the music, but I have no idea about the VA.

>>382411416
One is a movie while the other's an actual game.

X for sure.

>>382411495
>They are both severely flawed
Only XII is since it's blatantly unfinished and even then it's still pretty good.

>>382411557
Fucking stop. Who set up the gambits? Why is inputting commands before battles so different from doing it during?

>>382407260
I liked XII much more.

>>382407260
FFXII's gameplay was the fucking worst. Good thing that Matsuno faggot is blacklisted now. X at least requires your input.

>>382411416
FFX being a hallway simulator made sense, the party was on a journey to specific destinations. It made sense that the path was pretty straight, and they still made it interesting with npc's littered along the way to help with the world building. Linear doesn't inherently mean it's bad.

>>382411782
FFX did linear pretty well. So much stuff happening that you forget where you are.

>>382411132
Forgot to mention I finished that too

Really liked that battle system desu

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>>382411629
Are you seriously going to be defending FF13-0?

X is the reason why the series has gone downhill, and you know it.

>>382411782
>Linear doesn't inherently mean it's bad.
Yes it does, that's why every FF except XV is bad.

10
12 was almost as bad as 9

>>382408885
>tone of the story was NGE quality introspection

You're not actually wrong here, but that's not a point in its favor. NGE presents introspection in ways that serve to either make a point that is highly direct and obvious, or otherwise keeps the characters thoughts and motivations so ambiguous that there isn't really much you can make of them. There are other anime that do much better jobs of subtly building up their characters' thought process in ways that are ultimately deeper and more coherent.

What Eva does instead that is notable is present certain psychological hangups in visceral form, i.e. inducing anxiety by introducing things that confuse and disorientate the viewer yet make them feel that they could have understood them if they actually had payed more attention, or highlight the horrific pressure the characters undergo in contrast to how their heroic actions are treated as an ordinary and expected part of their work. This is completely different from actually developing character depth through introspection though.

>>382410962
Fran in particular sounds like she's on helium.

Lets all admit Dirge of Cerberus was actually fun to play

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>>382411782
>FFXIII being a hallway simulator made sense, the party was on the run from the military that wanted to end their lives. And they still made it interesting with NPCs and worldbuilding.

See how retarded that sounds? Because that's what FFX is. It's better than XIII but that's not saying much. And don't give me that bullshit on how XIII had no NPCs, that game had its share with them.

>>382412059
For like 10 minutes.

>>382411660
X has tons of off screen convenience moments and was the one that killed the world map. Its flawed. I actually like XII better, wish it had been finished. Combat was a neat idea, but the AI was too dumb for it.

>>382412125
If you're a shitter sure

>>382412059
couldnt beat that bitch in the warehouse for like 15 tries but the awesome ending fight was worth all the pain i went through

>ctrl+f "Uematsu"
>0 results

>>382412193
Almost every good song from X was done by Hamauzu.

>>382412082
>XV posting
post hidden

>>382412082
Story wise, yes it made sense for ff13 as well, never said it didn't. But to say that the world was interesting and alive with npc's is just straight up bullshit and it's why no one liked 13.

>>382412242
Wasn't it a joint effort? Is there detailed list somewhere?

>>382410232

Excessive grind? It breezes easily until the end, where you can just cheese it with aeons (esp yojimbo) or do that arena tonberry trick.

Though yeah completing the sphere grid was tedious and pretty much necessary to do dark aeons.

>>382412304
Yes it was Uematsu, Hamauzu and Nakano. It's easy to tell who did what songs, they all sound distinct from one another.

http://vgmdb.net/album/8

>>382412302
there's also the problem where youre forced to play as a cunty translucent pink haired bitch

>>382412391
Not really, you're also forced to play as the rest of the party. And unlikeable characters aren't exactly exclusive to ff13.

>>382412380
>dark aeons
bitch i couldnt even beat the 5th seymour on mount gagazet for the longest time and then i got hit with yunalesca like fuuuuuug

>>382407727
The only thing you can debate about his statement is wether or not FF IX is better than FF VII, but otherwise: yes, FF has gone downhill since the Ps1 era.

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>>382407260
>Protagonists
I loved Tidus, really relatable and interesting to see his reactions in that new world throughout the game, a lot of development.

I had no idea what Vaan was or what he was there.

>Story
I was really invested in X since I liked the characters and some parts like when you get to Zanarkand are really strong.

XII had a lot of exposition and cutscenes that I got bored so I gave up, something about war.

>Gameplay
I'm an oldschool fag, I like turn-based so I'm biased. I'd have liked XII much more if it wasn't because of the gambit system, and did they really had to lock turbos behind MP? Bullshit, also summons are fucking gay too

>World
Spira is probably one of the best worlds in videogames ever. Ivalice is beautiful too, but Spira is better, honestly all FF worlds are amazing.

>Graphics and FX
X was being worked on before the PS2 release, XII was made like 10 years after and took the PS2 resources to another level, it's probably the best looking game in the PS2.

>Systems
Sphere system > License system. It's instant gratification vs a system that "lets me" do stuff, not fun as a kid not fun as of now

>Content
Both have them in their own ways, X has secret stuff and XII has hunts, both provide hours of fun

Also the fact that all characters were the same and had no unique jobs throw me off, no one felt special

I loved X, I liked XII

>>382412567
come now anon... yunalesca is a puzzle boss

>>382412781
i was 12 dude i didnt know shit about zombies

>>382411782
FFX is linearity done right: the game

The player never feels like is going on a straight line, the transitions behind areas are smooth as fuck, it shows that they tried their best to make a compelling map.

FFXIII got the hallway meme because it felt awful once you were a few hours in, in FFX you could get to basically all areas you saw eventually, in FFXIII you couldn't, lame

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>>382412758
>it's probably the best looking game in the PS2.
Is this bait?

>>382407260
They are both very good but I'd say 10 edges it out slightly.

Also 12 has great gameplay. Fuck the haters. Gambits was cool as fuck.

>>382412980
>Chuck Norris Simulator 3: The Novela
nah

>>382412941
>FFX is linearity done right: the game
>The player never feels like is going on a straight line
Nostalgia is a hell of a drug

>>382411678
gambit = gameplay
5 minutes of engaging gameplay = shit = shit game

>>382413056
most segments of the game had you jumping into areas like when yuna gets kidnapped and you spend alot of time just crossing a 300m wide river

>>382413103
Then make that argument you fucking retards. Say that everything is too similiar so you never have to change the gambit. Done. You've made a point.

>>382407260
10 was a decent game, at least. Not great, but still alright. 12 was poor, and is the worst game related to Ivalice.

>>382413056
I mean it does say something that when X came out no one listed linearity as a con yet when XIII came out it got shit on by that

>>382411901
XI is the reason why the series has gone downhill, and you know it. Anytime a series has an MMO, it's all over for that series and every subsequent game will be influenced by it.

>>382407260
FFX was a masterpiece, it was basically Square going back to the FFVIII formula and polishing it after FFIX flopped.

>>382412758
If i remember correctly Vaan wasnt supposed to be the main character at all he was put in at the last second since they feared backlash of the jap community.They wanted it to have a slightly more serious tone for the older audience.

>>382407260
FFX was endless corridors and hallways of random encounters. FFXII was a pretty much the opposite and had no random encounters (aside from some sneaky snakes.)

FFX had a fairly interesting story, but it got so lame at parts and kinda dragged on a bit. FFXII has a story most do not even understand. No love story either. If you look at it in certain ways, the protagonists are the assholes ruining things. So to some its a total mess, and to some 10th grade poetic jackasses it is simply "2deep4u" and "engaging"

Combat is too different to compare, but gambits are hands down one of the most important ideas to touch games in general, its a shame that if got stuck in a singls player mmo.

Art direction/graphics is hard to say. Both have really great designs and such, but FFXII still holds up to this day just because of how good those textures are.

Voice acting was better in XII, not even a contest. Audio quality aside, there were no "AHA HA HA HA" moments, or really awkward moments in general.

Localisation also goes to FFXII, X just lacks it here.
Overall FFXII is probs better, but the games went downhill after 9. Maybe ever after 7.

My 3d ff line up goes like this.

7 > 10 > 8 > 9 > 12 > 13

>>382413339
>it was basically Square going back to the FFVIII formula
How do you figure that? X is a masterpiece and VIII is fighting for a spot at the 'worst JRPG of all time' table.

I tried X recently again. I remember bits I liked but it was way too cutscene heavy and it was super cringeworthy. Is XII the same?

>>382413359
Basch was meant to be the mc, but like you said they feared backlash because the japs are allergic to masculinity. Despite this Vaan does have a role in the game/story, even if it's a tad miniscule.

>>382412167
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OduM-7lCy0

Yeah that sure takes some real skill lol

>>382413368
try to force yourself to laugh when you're exhausted from all the bullshit that comes with uncertainty and fear see if it comes out any different. people who shit on that scene never understood it when a few seconds later you see him genuinely laughing at his awkward forced laugh.

>>382411782
FFX being a hallway simulator made sense, the party was on a journey to specific destinations.
>>382412941
>FFX is linearity done right: the game

No. I like the game, but that is one of its drawbacks. Flying, walking, riding, etc around a world gives you a scale for it to make it feel like a place not a series of theater sets. Its also what makes an RPG fun to explore, when you see hints of places you may need to come back to or can't get to yet.

It gets you excited to see around the world and find things of interest. It makes where you are alive, which is rather important when you are on a quest to save the world. X doesn't do this. You have zealots and tree dickbags you can't really care too much if they get wiped off the face of the earth. The only really nice place is the one everyone in the world hates and gets destroyed anyway.

Linear isn't bad. Tons of linear games are just fine. But it makes RPGs feel small and less invested.

X is the reason XIII exist in the same way that the goofy romance drama of VIII made X.

>>382411983
>What Eva does instead that is notable is present certain psychological hangups in visceral form
That happens a lot, but you're probably overlooking the fewer but centrally dramatic moments of introspection in the series that actually does what you suggest NGE disregards:
>This is completely different from actually developing character depth through introspection though.

A developing theme in NGE were the pilots relationships to the EVAs and the mystery of the parents' souls. This begins at episode one when Unit 01 autonomously protects Rei, early when its mask falls off, and continues in the introspection during Shinji's captive situation inside Leliel. Similar pivotal moments occur for Rei in relationship to her former clones and between Asuka and her dead mother. All are moments of introspection that develop the existential relationship of each character to their role as pilot.

>>382413339
Well they sure did an amazing job polishing it, considering I hated VIII but ended up loving X.

>>382413368
>FFXII has a story most do not even understand.

What's there that's so hard to understand? It wasn't even half as convoluted or overly complex as most FF games nor was it that original either (inb4 lol star wars)

>>382413691
>But it makes RPGs feel small and less invested.
Every FF barring the second half of VI and XV is linear though, if you want open world garbage go play WRPGs.

>>382413780
XV is arguably linear as well. It even uses SNES FF style blockers on the world map.

>>382413456
the only thing going for 12 is the gambit system, which is basically a see for yourself if you like it sort of thing.

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>>382413368
i can understand if you were a kid at the time and couldnt get the ahaha scene but if your older and still taking it at face value somethings wrong with you

>>382413732
ffx was about suffering and fighting your fears unlike the convoluted garbage 40 main character FFs where everything boils down to evil guy wants crystals and you'll go to hell to stop him and the moon too for some reason and what about those fucking gnomes and tree shits

>>382413885
It doesn't offer a branching narrative, but can't you go pretty much anywhere right from the start without having any locations story gated?
Once I realized that the open world was filled to the brim with invisible walls I lost interest in it and just did the story segments so I'm not sure how open it really is.

>>382413691
I mean, all FFs tie you where to go because story. That's why eventually they give you the flying ship and you go around the world that has been build throughout the hours of play. I never really felt off in any FF game besides XIII

>>382414001
Pretty much. It's organised in the same way as ye olde FFs with world maps.

>>382413732
You would be surprised by how many people do not understand what happens in FFXII. A streamer i watched a few years back played this game multiple times and still had no clue what was going on in the story and was unsure about why a lot of motives took place.

>>382414086
>>382414001
Uh I mean you are indeed gated from most of the map before story events happen. Reading is hard.

>>382413664
>>382413943
The message behind the laughing scene is clear. It is obvious it is a forced laugh.

It is still one of the worst scenes in final fantasy because of how cringey and how long it drags on. And when yuna joins in, wew. The message is obvious, but still. There really was no other action tidus could have done in place of fake laughing?

>>382413780
The story can be linear and often is in FF. But no most games prePS2 were fairly open or at least opened up at some point to give you a little freedom to look around or go past something you knew you should explore later.

I am giving the really older ones some tolerance though since they were stuffing a whole world into a few megabytes, so for their time it was something.

8 and 9 saw a great reduction in fun on the side, and X was the nail in the coffin to giving two shits about side content.

Also stuff that WRPG vs JRPG nonsense they both come from the same damn source just in a different style.

>>382414289
But that's literally the director's intent. To make it drag on and to make you feel slightly uncomfortable. It accomplishes this beautifully.

>>382407260
X. XII had a shit story. X at least had a workable story and was pretty talked about.

XII is regarded as the first real FF that was a letdown.

>>382414315
>X was the nail in the coffin to giving two shits about side content.

X is good specifically because it has some of the best side content in the series though, it's just completely obnoxious before you get the airship though.

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>>382414586
>XII is regarded as the first real FF that was a letdown.
t. underage

>>382414289
grow up mommy doesnt care if your videogames laugh weird

>>382413260
Because X had areas that weren't 100% linear. If I remember correctly, FF XIII has one area that isnt a hallway and thats after like 25 hours.

>>382414671
Everything about 8 was terrific outside of the junction system you rube

>>382414494
Guess the director is a genious then.

I still hate the scene tho uwu

>>382414775
whatever

>>382414586
>XII is regarded as the first real FF that was a letdown.
lmao

>>382414806
everyone knows FF2 was the biggest letdown after they dumbed everything down

>>382410183
>>382410480
I want you to give me this magic gambit setup. Everytime this gambit system argument pops up I've yet to see anybody give me the actual gambit setup to automatically win every single fight in the game with almost 0 input from the player.

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>>382414806
it's true though, the only ff that needed a fixed version

>>382414921
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGKwY84tvQY

>>382414921
it exists ive seen it posted before it requires an OP setup and is pretty much gay

>>382407260
I haven't played X but I couldn't even make it all the way through XII because the combat was so god damn boring.

>>382407260
FFX

>>382414921
People just wanna shit on gambits cause its cool.

FFX's combat was nothing more than glorified RPS. Fire weak enemy dies in one hit with fire, armored foea die in one hit with armor piercing characters. It is as brainless as it gets

Side content is when FFX combat actually steps up, and that one dragon fight before zanarkand ruins.

The argument can be made for FFXII with gambits, but the fact that there are way more options to approach each encounter to accomadate with how the job system works makes the game far more tactical and strategic than FFX.

>>382415270
Btw I am talking about IZJS, vanilla 12 is objectively bad.

>>382414806
The director quit

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>>382415270
>Quick Hit with Tidus, Wakka and Rikku: The Game is when FFX combat steps up
FFX combat steps up in bosses like Sinspawn Gui, Seymour Flux and Yunalesca, the post game is an absolute joke in X.

FFX

>>382414649
The main side bit was Blitzball which needed a third axis and some sound design to not be boring.

And god damn that butterfly crap was impossible on the TVs of the day. The lightning thing ate ass. I can't remember much else aside from the arena thing, but that was kinda lame. Didn't have the excitement or strategy of the one in 7.

7 had a lot of side content. 8 had a lot if you liked the card game, which I did, or if you liked the ultimate weapon quests, which I didn't.

>>382407260
X is much better and the last great Final Fantasy game. XII was solid and definitely better than XIII but it's where the series started to fall off.

>>382414671
VIII is one of the best games in the series.

>>382413260
>>382413260
ecause they were still areas you could move around at your own lesuire in FFX. FF13 only has Pulse like that.

>>382415384
I forgot quick hit existed. I take my statement back.

Fuck X's combat and complete abortion of a post game.

except for those actual good fights that you listed and that dragon boss before zanarkand ruins

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>>382415774
Sanctuary Keeper?

>>382407260
X, by miles.

>>382407537
You're retarded, FF has always been an up and down series, it didn't start getting good till 5, stayed good all the way up to 10 and now its in a slump.

>>382415687
lmao 8 is one of the worst and everyone knows it

>>382414671
IX was more of a let down considering how hard the sales dropped. VIII sold almost as much as VII and is more iconic and memorable and IX in everything from story and characters to gameplay.

In before IX contrarian fanboys bawwwwwwwwwwwwww

No matter what your favorite FF game is, at least we can all agree that XV is the shittiest one for secondaries and non-fans, hardly counting as an FF title at all.

>>382415828
Fuck yes, that boss blew my mind when he casted reflect on me to bounce cure off me back onto him to heal himself past a reflect I casted on him. That was probs hard to follow, but point is that was an amazing boss fight. First point in the game I had to actually put some thought into what actions I took.

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>>382415993
>Game released at end of a console's life cycle doesn't sell more than the follow up to the best selling game in the series

>>382416000
Nah it's better than 2 and XIII at least.

>>382415993

>MUH SALES

You have to go back.

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>>382416051
I liked this boss better since it utilized positioning too sort of like grid based turn based systems.
>>382416073
Sadly it's not.

>>382415920
>>382416052
>>382416084
Regardless of sales VIII is a better game than IX and only disliked by underage retards who never played it or VIIfags who were pissy they didn't get more Cloud.

>>382416073

XIII has characters and a plot, so it's at least 5 steps above XV. As for 2, it came out in 1988 and pushed the absolute fucking limit of what a JRPG could be back then. It was avant garde as fuck and branched off into its own series in SaGa, which is still beloved in Japan to this day.

I played X for the first time 5 years ago and I already have this massive nostalgia for it. Combat is fun, occasionally challenging and fast paced, it doesn't feel like its wasting your time with unskippable animations and shit.
But on the other hand, the game is just so fucking poorly conjoined. Basically any cutscene in the game:

>otherwise decent but absolutely unfitting OST piece plays in the background
>horrible MC voice acting lines are exchanged with other party members, which combined sound like every single voice actor had a different director with him in the booth
>dialogue itself doesn't make any sense
>yet MC voice acting in the narrative scenes is pretty fucking good and it sounds like an actual human being, further confusing you

When I boot it up again I literally feel like "does this game really expect anyone over 12 years of age to play this and take it seriously since it requires like 80 hours to be finished?".

Oh and the excessive random encounters can go fuck themselves.

XII is the dumbest game of all time and people who enjoy it should really seek professional help.

>>382416136
>>382416191
I get /v/ is all about being retard contrarians but defending FFXIII is too fucking much. It was barely a fucking game and has hands down the worst cast and story in the series. The sequels at least played better but the original? It's horrible. Also 2 being old doesn't excuse it from being terrible.

>>382416190
>Enemy scaling
>Drawing is insanely tedious
>Combat is spamming Limit Breaks over and over
>Most unbalanced system in an FF
>Squall and Rinoa two of the worst characters in the series
>Time loop plot making everything you do essentially irrelevant
It's one of the worst games ever made.

>>382416190

IX is the only PSX FF title with more than 1 or 2 characters that have clear motivations, personalities, development, and arcs. In VII, each character has like 2 scenes where they're relevant and then never again, and VIII's characters are so dull and forgettable that they're not even worth mentioning. Don't even get me started on the overall stories of the three.

As for gameplay, the only thing differentiating the characters in VII and VIII is their limit break and what gear they can wear. IX gives each character their own role in combat, so everyone feels interesting to experiment with. In short, you're a pleb of the highest order, and you won't be getting another (you) from me.

FFX has better characters, story, and a fleshed out world. FFXII was technically superior but the story and characters are ok at best.

I did enjoy the side content of FFXII immensely, I spent countless hours doing hunts and grinding for rare bazaar equipment.

But at the end of the day, FFX was a more memorable experience.

>>382407260
12

>>382415353

Gathered that, but you should stop, since IZJS is not in the OP.

XII is superior to it anyway. Fuck people, who can't deal with having options.

>>382416329

2 is one of the better JRPGs on the NES, and the remakes are very playable. Just because you don't think anyone will speak up for it because it's universally agreed to be a shit game (by people who played it for ten minutes each) doesn't mean you should.

>>382416329
fuck off 13 was fine, you got memed out

>>382416497
XIII is legit the worst game I have ever played.

>>382416497
No it's definitely not fine. It's a bad game. Although I wouldn't go this far
>>382416767

>>382416871
>It's a bad game.
No one is disputing that, it's just that XV is worse.

>>382416450
People around here do this a lot.

>>382417001

Notice how after I called him out he sat down and shut the fuck up.

>>382407260
10 has better story
12 has better gameplay

prove me wrong

>>382407260
Fantasy Istanbul is a cool setting, cooler than 10's weird mishmash

>>382417056
You had nothing worth responding to. Your post was basically "hurr well I liked it". Even after the remakes it's still the worst Final Fantasy. As far as NES JRPGs it's one of the weaker ones. Compared to stuff like Mother, FF1 and 2, the Dragon Quests, Crystalis, and action RPGs like Faxanadu, FF2 is garbage.

>>382416991
Except it isn't. XIII is a bunch of hallways interrupted by overly long cutscenes and battles that play themselves. The only parts even remotely interesting were the eidolon battles because you had to figure out their gimmick. XV at least has a world to explore which alone makes it the better game.

>>382417186
XII has a better world design from a gameplay standpoint but the combat is terrible so yeah you're wrong.

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>>382407260
>Story
Clearly FFX
>Combat
Both are amazing, but I'll say FFXII (this is coming from a diehard FF and especially FFX fan)
>OST
Very hard to choose as well, they're both great. FFX PURELY for nostalgia
>Characters
FFX. Despite FFXII having Basch and Baltier, the rest were pretty meh (inb4 butthurt Franfags)
>Overall gameplay
FFX is pretty linear until you get the airship, and FFXII is open world, but there are certain places which is very annoying.
>Antagonist(s)
FFX purely because of story. Judges are pretty fucking badass though
>Mobs
I love everything in both games, impossible for me to choose.
>Grind
o-oh boy.. If you like to grind and want to Platinum FFX then go ahead. Not for the faint of heart.
>Summons
Insanely hard for me to choose (FFX's Anima, Yojimbo and Bahamut) or FFXII's Belias, Ultima and Hashmal)

Overall, I would say FFX since it became so popular and defined a certain part of gaming as a whole. FFXII is still amazing, and I look forward to the remake.

>FFX 9.5/10
>FFXII 8.8/10

>>382417474
>Main story gutted to be sold as DLC a year after the game is released
Go home Barry.

>>382417582
The story was terrible so who cares? At least XV didn't put the focus on its awful story like XIII did. Remove the story from XV and there's still a game there. Remove the story from XIII and you have nothing left. That game relies as much on cutscenes as The Order does.

>>382407260
FF12 is the worst game in the series, so, that's a factor.

>>382416991
Nah.
At least Noctis dies and stays dead.
Lightning and crew coming back to life with Leona Lewis singing in the background was a kick in the balls. I was disappointed with XV, but upset with XIII.

>>382409897
Vaan was useless I agree, but I got a solution for you, just don't have him in your party unless you really have to.

FFXII felt like you wasn't playing one guy like Cloud in FFVII but that you played as the entire party. Atleast for me.

>>382411342
Yes, the music is redone and all oher sounds including the voice acting have been improved and are now much higher quality. You will also be able to choose between the english and japanese voices, something which wasn't possible in the original game. You can also play the game with 7.1 surround sound if you wish.

>>382417743
Spoken like a bitch who sucks dicks for fun

Why do people think posting their opinions with nothing to back it up is a contribution worth posting? If you can't even articulate justifications, why should anyone else listen?

>>382407260
XII, easily.
XII > VIII > XIII-3 > X-2 > VI > VII > X > IX > V > XIII-2 > XV > IV > XIII

>>382407260
12 for me. But I was pretty mature for my age, so I get why younglings liked 10 more at the time.

>>382400000

The one that didn't suck balls

12

>>382407537
>>382407537
FF7 is garbage, fuck off oldfag, can't wait for people to realise how terrible it was with the remake.

>>382423280
>/v/ kids are so young they didn't play FFVII on release

>>382407260
FFX is utter garbage. I haven't even played FFXII and I know it must be better.

Playing remastered FFX/X-2 right now

It's corny as fuck, a bit clunky, and harder to get into. Nostalgia carries it though, i'm enjoying myself.

>>382407260
Graphics:
X = XII
Style/Aesthetics/Atmosphere:
X >> XII
Music:
X > XII
Combat:
X >>> XII
Growth System:
X >>>>> XII
Exploration:
X <<<<<<<<< XII
Plot:
X >>>>>>>>> XII
Characters:
X >> XII

>Which was better, /v/?
I really wonder...

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How do I get the "Untitled Project X" mod on my Torrented Final Fantasy X X 2 HD Remaster CODEX?

I don't have the SteamApps folder:
>http://steamcommunity.com/groups/SpecialK_Mods/discussions/8/2741975115064718432/
>Extract UnX.7z to your Final Fantasy X / X-2: HD Remaster install path (SteamApps/common/FINAL FANTASY FFX&FFX-2 HD Remaster)

I want the Japanese audio with the English subtitles.

(I bought FFX for the PS2 back in the days and the remasterd version for the Vita which was stolen from me a year ago. I can't be asked to buy a shitty port like this again.)

>>382410232
>tfw was autistic enough to replace every node with +4 or HP +300 to get every stat to 255 except luck
Fuck grinding luck and fortune spheres though, lost a bit of potential minmaxing by picking the expert grid too, but since it has flare and not ultima you save quite a lot of time with animations

>that one monster in the arena that counters every fucking attack with ultima

Can you emulate xii on modern toasters properly?

>>382407727
Haven't played FF XII yet but FFX is a hit fucking garbage for braindead retards who don't play RPGs

>>382427732
Remaster or port will be out soon, so no need to emulate it now.

>>382412998
I will never understand why people hate gambits so much. Give them a game with AI controlled party members and all is good, give them the option to customize said AI and suddenly everything's fucked.

>>382427732
Yeah it runs pretty well actually. Sometimes cutscenes tend to crash so keep save stating through them so you don't have to watch the whole thing again.

>>382408885
>they're both good games but i personally did full playthroughs of X at least 9 times
dont really remember how XII ended
all depends what you played first. I did numerous challenge runs for 12. Low level, single character, only gambits, etc etc etc. 12 had much more replayability for me thanks to how the grind worked in the game and the amount of different challenge runs you could do. 10 got 1 playthrough.