Team Fortress 2: Then and Now

>>382406510

Because you touch yourself at night anon.

Lower sysreq = more players?
Exactly why MMO always got worse graphic for its era. Also good MMO like RO and Maple have to fight with stylish 2D instead of cutting-edge 3D.

>>382406510
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1W5DU4zmAA

>>382406510
Indeed why? Why do you care? I thought ALL you faggots stopped playing this?

>>382406914
You just made me give that parroting faggot a view, fuck you.

Shame.

TF2 on the 360 was the shit. Nearly perfect
except no Kb&M and some hackers.

wowwww

i literally wouldve spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on steam to play this game

but then i saw that in 2007 something was shiner than it is now

DROPPED

>>382406765
>TF2
>lower requirements
Nice meme. Stop parroting. Game run like shit comparing to even 2013 state.

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REMEMBER WHEN THIS WAS POSSIBLE?

>>382407054
>>382407198
It's just another thing to add on to the pile of issues with modern TF2, and all the downgrades are a product of cosmetic bloat which highlights the key problem of TF2.

mat_phong 0

>>382407307
if that were the key problem then why are these threads always about thinks being shiner in 2007 and not actually about cosmetic bloat

/v/ is fuckn stupid

>>382407467
>/v/ is fuckn stupid
Yeah and you exemplify that. The graphical changes were made so that the game could still run itself with all the cosmetics added.
And even then modern TF2 runs like hot garbage compared to old TF2.

>>382407296
Why would they do this?

>>382407198
Who the fuck are you kidding. You know you don't have that kind of money.
>And you never will

>>382406510
They took it out because idiots thought it did more damage or more crits broken

>>382407467
>>382407198
>video shows lost detail, removed animations and models
>still claims it's about shiner graphics
Man, /v/ sure is retarded. Literally worse than /pol/.

>>382406765
Any toaster could run TF2 in 2007

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>>382406914
>Revolver
>doesn't revolve

>>382406914
WEW All these changes sure are gamebreaking I'm really going to miss that small insignificant paint texture on that 1 wall nobody gives 2 fucks about. FUCK VALVE REEEEEEE

COUPON BUG DOT COM

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>>382406510

>>382408486
Are you retarded? Did you not play game at all? Game evolved into pile of shit over the years. Everyone is well aware of this.
This video shows graphical differences as well.

>>382406510
The only thing that actually makes me sad is the bottle no longer breaking.

I mean, I kind of get it, because it was the only weapon that did that and it made you think that a broken bottle did more damage or something, but it was neat. It was one of the first things that made me feel like Team Fortress 2 was a different game than everyone else was trying to be.

>>382408665
>are you retarded
I actually bought the game and enjoyed it before the f2p. While you played for free and cried about changes to resolution and lower spec. don't ever talk to me again. kek

>>382408680
It's such a stupid reason though. Play the game long enough and you'll realize it doesn't do any more damage, or just look it up on the wiki if you're not sure. It doesn't affect gameplay at all if some idiots think it does more damage that way. I really wish Valve would tell their braindead playtesters to fuck off.

>>382408841
>I actually bought the game and enjoyed it before the f2p
Yeah, early June 2011 for sure.
> cried about changes to resolution and lower spec.
Literally what?

>>382408956
how dare you speak to me.

>>382408956
Is it you Randy? You want to unleash your fury over anonymous imageboard?

>>382409191
meant to >>382409109

>>382406510
Fags are still milking this topic?

What a shit board.

>>382409294
As opposed to what? /pol threads?

>>382409261
(badass)

>>382406914
>Go into the comments
>People try to defend this

>>382406510
Does it affect gameplay? No? Then there's no reason to bitch about it, it's graphics in an already simplistic-looking game.

>>382409294
don't you have LOL, brap, and clearly-not-thinly-veiled /pol/ threads to shitpost to?

>>382409657
>incompetency is okay when valve does it

>>382409657
>Does it affect gameplay? No?
Gameplay was bastardized over the years.
>it's graphics in an already simplistic-looking game.
>it's alright for 2007 game that used to run on 2007 toasters with unique artstyle to downgrade the graphics even worse and deteriorate the art style, even though it runs like shit right now and manages to look worse than on launch

>>382409657
People would rather bitch about non issues instead of cancerous shit like cosmetics (probably because their favorite game has a similar skinner box). Hats are the real reason for TF2's fall from grace and eventually made Valve stop giving a shit anymore. You cannot defend this.

>>382409919
>People would rather bitch about non issues instead of cancerous shit like cosmetics
>instead of cancerous shit like cosmetics
People did that for years, retard, and it helped nothing. They'll sooner add those details than remove cosmetics.

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>know fags who whine about TF2 hats ruining everything
>they play overwatch
>a game with completely retarded cosmetics in it

>>382410029
The difference is there's no cosmetics economy in Overwatch.

>>382406914
Clearly too many Americans play this game which caused these changes. Also
>playing tf2 past 2011

>>382406510
>bitching about graphics on a game from 10 years ago

>>382410064
>economy
>giving a shit about jews
kek

>>382410172
>defending downgrading 10 years old game

>>382410214
it doesn't affect gameplay at all. woaah the lighting is different and some animations are changed. not a big deal.

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>>382409561
ugh I hate it when people have their own opinions outside of what a youtube e-celeb postures

>>382410275
As noted earlier, the game was fucked up as well over the years.

>>382409990
no shit? now no one cares anymore, they've bent over and taken it. instead they're bitching about the game losing minor details since they'd be hypocrites to bitch about hats considering they probably enjoy some other game with cosmetic shit (see >>382410029).
There is no point to any of this bitching, if quick play isn't coming back, then neither are these details. Kind of amusing how people live to complain about dead games they've supposedly moved on from though

>>382410447
>Kind of amusing how people live to complain about dead games they've supposedly moved on from though
Something to do with the fact that it used to be great, to some it was the best multiplayer experience, wish to play it every now and then and now it's ruined?

>>382410729
how is it ruined? it's the same gameplay as before, but more weapons.

All the fucking hats with faggy paint jobs and particle effects take up memory, you know. Sacrifices had to be made.

>>382410789
poor and irish players tend to be quite jealous of their richer cousins.

>>382406914
Unforgivable.

>>382410789
>it's the same gameplay as before
>but more weapons.
More weapons are the problem. The game is bloated with weaponry to the point were classes lost it's value, such as Demoman being exclusively a melee class.

>>382410996
>dying to demoknights
kek

It's okay anon, just accept you're garbage.

>>382411094
Ad hominem.

>>382410996
demoknights are just for messing around. how is that a problem?

Okay what's worse:
The fags that shill CrowbCat constantly
or
The people who defend Valve

Honestly, I'm not sure at this point. Can you guys help me decide? Not sure which shit is smellier.

>>382406510
I'm glad this was removed actually. Not only because of the possibility of retards thinking the broken bottle is stronger, but also because I always hated seeing Demo drinking out of a broken bottle for his taunt and it still making the chugging noise. It's even worse when his taunt with the all-class weapons is him trying to drink out of something like a staff or a piece of ham.

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>>382411160
To used to seeing this over their heads. So it's bad.

Wow, good thing I quit this shitty game back in 2010.

>>382411257
I don't even know who CrowbCat is.

>>382411257
The people who complain about people arguing over things rather than ignoring both.

>>382411257
CrowbCat is basically low tier effort videos and only does low-hanging fruit. Reddit tier humor at this point.

>>382410029
Last I checked besides the lack of idle servers and economy, no item drops on overwatch change the gameplay.

Overwatch is cancer like any other blizzard game but not because of that.

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Isn't this what you fags complain about when games aren't optimized?

Most of this is quite literally optimization to make it run better on toasters. Yes, it's a bit weird they don't just make these changes on lower graphic options but since people are clueless idiots I'm willing to bet Valve knew most kept it on high regardless of how shit the game ran. Therefore they just blanket optimized everything.

>>382410029
Overwatch had cosmetics from the get-go, so it's not a fair comparison.

>>382411408
no, you see most people who whine about hats do so because its breaking MUH IMMERSION.

Yet they don't blink an eye at ridiculous shit in overwatch. It's entirely just post-hoc rationalizations.

>>382410294
yeah all hail lord gaben downgrades are not a problem for me bring on the hats

>it's another /v/ pretends they know what they're talking about while giving crowbait more views thread

>>382411451
I wish you went to reddit instead

>>382411451
>remove features from the game
>call it "optimization"

Why don't you get "culturally enriched" in a dark alley, Sven?

>>382406510
Can this game just die already so salty tf2 kids stop swarming every other hero shooter comment section

>>382411451
>Most of this is quite literally optimization to make it run better on toasters.
This a 2007 game that used to run on 2007 toasters. Even the 2013 version used to run very well on 2007 laptop. Now it runs way worse and looks worse as well.

>>382411574
Well yeah most people are retarded, blizzard players are even more so.

only real crime was removing mat_picmip -10

When will Valve make a fucking game, are they just gonna sit there and deepthroat dota 2 until times end?

>>382411451
Actually they made these changes to lighting and effects on weapons so they could push skins on every weapon and sell them to CS kiddies.
Fucking hell, if you want to talk optimization they should get rid of their janked to shit hat system.

>>382411726
That would require the video to explain to redditers what a 'console' is. They'd call it hacks.

>>382411791
Valve is just Steam and cosmetics company. If you didn't hear the news, pretty much everyone who worked on HL or Portal leaves the company. Even HL writers left already.

>>382411873
To be fair, those same people tried to make HL3 and gave up doing so. It's why they left.

>>382411460
Yeah don't worry guys, they had the microtransactions in the beginning so it's okay!

>>382411931
Maybe something to do with the fact that HL game wouldn't be a good fit for Steam Market and cosmetics. At one point Gabe or someone from Valve said that they would bring all the things they "learned" from their more recent games. So yeah, cosmetics market.

>>382409919
stop for a second and use some critical thinking and objectivity. Was this ALL Valves fault? No Valve released a few cosmetics then the tf2 community started creating their own cosmetics. If you want to blame anyone blame the community it destroyed your precious game.

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Here is what I don't understand about this.

TF2 in 2007 looked way better. It's undeniable due to this video he shows us.

PCs in 2007 were really bad. I'm talking celerons and pentium 3s and 4s. Some people had onboard video cards with barely 64 or 128mb of onboard video available.

Now if you look at TF2 today in 2017, it does look worse visually and people have started to speak out now that it actually runs worse than back then.

Now lets think. What would be the poorfag toaster PC of 2017? It's probably a Dual Core Intel CPU or an AMD CPU Dual core. This is a substantially more powerful CPU then say a Celeron or Pentium. The average toaster onboard video is at least 1gb or more now most of the time.

So tell me, how did the game run better 10 years ago on such anciently bad hardware compared to much more powerful toasters now?

it's the same game, the same engine...how did the system requirements increase so much?

This actually has me thinking some weird conspiracy type shit like valve makes the game run worse on purpose so people buy new hardware.

It realistically makes ZERO, absolute ZERO sense why the game runs worse on toasters today then the toasters of 10 years ago.

Really roasts those almonds.

>>382406510
>why people still give a shit about this?
How many threads do you need to get pay buddy?

>>382412129
HL3 has been scrapped, started again, and scrapped at least 4 times by now. Last comment on the topic basically stated that no one at valve wants to even make it anymore. Tried, failed, and now to burnt out to care.

I have a better question. How often are you going to spam these threads and when is a mod going to start banning you for it?

>>382412217
>It's probably a Dual Core Intel CPU or an AMD CPU Dual core.

Maybe thats the thing. Maybe it cant handle multiple cores?

>>382412217
Because people barely remember how it actually ran for them. I've had friends make this comment only for me to enlighten them how they only played because of the "lower than low" CFGs and forcing DX8.

>>382412217
It runs worse and looks worse because of the skins and hats.

It's not a conspiracy, it's just greed.

>>382412406
Can't say for sure but it does have "Use multiple cores Y/N" graphics setting nowadays.

>>382412217
>reddit

>spacing

>every

>line

>>382412182
You're telling me modern gamers are ruining games? And that they're the reason why cancerous shit like hats and skins are so prevalent? Whoa...how profound of you, anon.

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>>382412324
>HL3 has been scrapped, started again, and scrapped at least 4 times by now
>Last comment on the topic basically stated that no one at valve wants to even make it anymore. Tried, failed, and now to burnt out to care.
Seeing how Valve used to pay their employees per contribution to the game, I can see that.
>>382412479
Reminder that reddit spacing is a recent forced meme.

>>382412479
>Call out "redditors"
>They "redditpost" more to spite you

A good circle.

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>>382408486
NO WHAT MAKES THE GAME AWFUL THESE DAYS ARE THE MASS OF SHITTY WEAPONS FILLED WITH GIMMICKS AS OPPOSED TO DECENT SIDEGRADES LIKE THIS USED TO BE.

IT'S NOT FUCKING FAIR

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>>382412479

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>AMD PC with 2gb ram and 512mb video card in 2009
>tfw max settings like 300 fps
>Intel i7 pc with GTX 1070 and 16gb ram
>tfw max settings like barely 120 - 140 fps

nah its not a conspiracy at all, everything is fine ;) buy new hardware

>>382409294
it's a shame that we're forcing you to read and post

>>382412678
>lying on a Peruvian pan-plute enthusiast commune.

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>>382412217
I remember running TF2 on Wine like 10 years ago or so

It worked better than on Windows

More hats = More Money
More hats = Longer loading time
Low textures = Less loading time
More hats + low textures = More Money and loading time stays (arguably) the same.

>>382412678
By the end of 2015, game used drop all the way to 40s fps on HD7950. While it wasn't monster at this point, it should easily reach 240 fps, considering my 2007 laptop could reach 120 fps at some points at 1280x800.

>>382412792
Thanks for reminding me to do my Rubesty today

>>382406510
Skins

>>382406510
who the actual fuck cares about the graphics of TF2 to begin with? they were always shit so who cares if they downgraded some fancy, yet useless animations?

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>>382410029
>buy TF2 at release
>enjoy the artstyle and atmosphere of the game
>now everyone looks like a walking joke and there's no going back to what I originally bought
vs
>buy Overwatch
>know it has retarded skin from the beginning

Whoaaa

>>382413027
The artstyle was always great though.

>>382406510
>>382406914

3d artist here

I can clearly explain each and every occurrence in the video technically, why they decided on these changes is simple: Optimization

As more and more meshes, textures and other according assets are added due to the game's ever increasing pool of hats, total file size goes up and up if they maintain the same texture resolution for everything.

Almost all the environment lighting in a game like this will be baked into a lightmap in engine, All the dynamic lighting in the 2007 version would be much more cost inefficient because it is calculated at runtime rather than simply reference in a texture.

Things like seeing the chambers empty as you fire a revolver requires a separate material to reference and change between each round fired, which at the very least would increase the draw calls by having a separate material id on the chamber polygons.

The Bottle breaking would require not only more polygons but the animation for the breaking glass.

All the physics stuff is super fucking taxing on the game, like seriously, physics shits all over games at runtime and that's what you don't see literally every game doing it.
TLDR: 2007 TF2 wasn't designed to have 10000000000 hats in the game, it was a multiplayer shooter that looked pretty good and felt awesome to play. The current iteration HAS to be optimized, or else the game would be LITERALLY unplayable for the overwhelming majority of people due to the content bloat that currently keeps the game afloat.

>>382413059
>implying overwatch hasnt added more and more retarded skins as its been released
kek

>>382413170
So basically it's all because Valve are a bunch of hat-loving jews. Gotcha.

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>>382412479

>>382413318
Dear anon.
Sorry for liking money.
From, Valve employee.

>>382413170
>like seriously, physics shits all over games at runtime

>so we decided to make weapons dropped by players separate from the ammo dropped by them, by giving the ammo a different model


FUCKING WHY

What's stopping people from play TF2 Classic or downloading a pre-f2p client with set server?

>>382413318
If they weren't, the game literally wouldn't exist at this point.

They pivoted on the business model, which has allowed the game to exist for an incredibly long time, without hats, you would have no one playing or talking about the game.

The have has been out for more than a decade and still has an active multiplayer community, be thankful for hats, because they keep the lights on.

>>382413471
>Picking up other people's weapons became a thing
That's why

>>382413059
>it's okay when blizzard does it
nuValve is dogshit but don't pretend Blizzard is any better.

>>382410029
at least I get higher fps at high preset in OW than in tf2 with fps config

If you play the xbox 360 version if tf2 it has all this. It has tons of exploits and map glitches too. Fucking hilarious game

>>382413532
again

FUCKING WHY

there is literally 0 use for it except mayyyybe stealing some uber from a ded medic

>>382413519
>the game literally wouldn't exist at this point.
Nigger, even DoDS peaks over 1000 players every day.

>>382413501
TFC is a different game of its own, but on the other hand, someone would have to not only go through the effort of getting the specs / gameplay back to how it used to be, but also would have to host the server(s) for that, plus, it would probably be more trouble than it's worth.

>>382413519
>the game literally wouldn't exist at this point.
Weird how CSS and the original CS seem to function just fine without all this hat bullshit.
Even fucking HLDM has people playing.

>>382413606
Because you gotta get the e-peen in there, where you grab the weapon of someone you killed, only to kill them with their own weapon. Or, also, because they decided to add these stupid-ass skins of guns to turn TF2 TF:CSGO

>>382413672
Not TFC. I'm talking about TF2C, the mod, which has a TF2 2007 mode.

>>382413707
its almost as if people are willing to support a good game with good fps without having to throw money at it to play dessup

>>382413471
Nothing to do with physics, it looks like it but it's handled differently, it falling until it hits the ground is just a collider and a translation. Physics is when you say shoot an object and it goes flying based on the direction you shot it from.

Why they are two separate meshes is likely to have nothing to do with optimization and rather a game design decision to make it more clear to players.

>>382413606
This is more of a personal meme but when given the chance I always pick up someone's weapons.

Due to how diffrent weapons can be in tf2 it can really throw someone off when they are expecting you to use something else.

But I just do it for fun.

>>382413626
>>382413707

They are played for different reasons than Tf2, same reason you'll see people Starcraft Broodwar occasionally being played to this day, TF2 was never a heavy competitive game in it's genre.

>>382413781
thats the problem though
both of them have physics and interact with the world post standstill

>>382406510
and people try to tell me that games don't age.

>>382413892
>TF2 was never a heavy competitive game in it's genre.
I remember it used to be quite competitive. Even after they added new weapons, they only allowed Kritzkrieg.

>>382413227
>>382413551
Way to miss the point.
What I'm trying to say is that I knew from the get-go that Overwatch was going to be full of retarded skins. That's what I promised, but I bought it nonetheless. At least individual skins are already a full, coherent set.
When I got TF2, I didn't know that a decade later, people would run around with mismatched cosmetic items of different themes and colors.
A full TF2 it set can look good, but most people just dress their characters like abominations, and I don't have the option to go back.

>>382413170

Most of the visual downgrades in tf2 are not due to optimization, but valves laziness in converting old assets to their new optimized format.

The revolver never used different materials for the chamber, the entire chamber was animated. The bones that manipulated it were completely removed/unanimated on the new c_model. The bottle not breaking has nothing to do with polycount. Polies are cheap compared to textures, and the bottle was never very high poly to begin with anyway. They just could not be bothered to script in the model swap on the new view model system.

Every single thing they've broken over the years has been due to neglect.

>>382413781
>Physics is when you say shoot an object and it goes flying based on the direction you shot it from.
So, dropped ammo boxes then.

>>382413925
No they don't. It's just an animation.

>>382413892
DoDS isn't played for competitive. There's quite a lot of 32 player servers where capturing objective is pretty much impossible. It's closer to TF2 than CS in this regard.

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>>382414042
you mean to tell me that if i blast the fuck out of an ammobox/dropped weapon and it goes full autistic spazout and fly across the map its """an animation""""

>>382414139
>dropped weapon and it goes full autistic spazout and fly across the map
Weapons don't ragdoll anymore. It's just ammo boxes.

>>382412537
uh no you dumb jew fuck valve huuurr

>>382413429
Don't think I've forgotten about paid mods, fucker.

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>>382414395
>fucking M$ trying to do paid mods/skins/maps for god damn minecraft of all things

>>382412583
no one should be this invested in a vidya game for chinese kids

>>382412217

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FjMJ7NF2XM

This is how TF2 used to run on computers in 2007 WITH FRAPS ACTIVATED. Intel Dual Core 2.13 ghz. Geforce 7900 GS.

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>people are completely unironically defending removal of features and downgrading of quality

Unbelievable. Pcbros are literally the only fanbase I'd call DRONES at this point.

>>382413892
CSS isn't insanely competitive either, it's got a large modding scene.

>>382414660
>mods changing v@lv3d-rones to "pcbros"

And this board is dead.

>>382414714
>revealing that you are a brand new immigrant
that filter has been in place since 2014

>>382414660
It's okay when Valve does it.

>>382414761
>brand new
>2014

Leave.

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>>382414790
>being this stupid
the point is that if you think a 3 year old filter is new, you clearly showed up today or yesterday. trot along now.

>>382414761
What?
No it hasn't, that filter for sonybro, nintenbro, and pcbro/pcbro was put in place last year.
Granted some of these were filtered before too.

>>382414660

Well it's normal for /v/ not to understand the techincal side of the industry, they just see:

Dev makes a decision = OMG WOW SO BAD LITERALLY WORSE THAN THE HOLOCAUST.

They are downgrades to keep the game playable to the vast majority of people in a game where the asset pool is ever increasing and the graphics aren't the main draw of the game.

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>>382414845
You're fucking stupid. Don't act like you know what you're talking about when you don't. See >>382414953

>>382414973
This argument makes literally 0 sense when you realize that CSGO has the same ever-increasing asset pool and hasn't been downgraded.

>>382415026
not him but my butthurt detector is off the charts. what gives anon? you butthurt?

>>382414973
If someone's so fucking destitute that they're playing the game on a Compaq from 1998, then there's always the option of removing the gun model entirely.

>>382415060
Likely the technical architecture was designed with an increasing asset pool in mind, or better scaling in terms of optimization.

Devs don't make decisions like "Hey let's downgrade our game for no reason when there's the alternative of not doing that" They are people who understand games better than you every will and have to work around a variety of factors, limitations and decisions.

>>382415219

You guys are very inflammatory when presented with a viable reason for why things are the way they are.

>>382414953
i never said any of those but the pc filter, enough with the projected assumptions

>>382415454
>Devs don't make decisions like "Hey let's downgrade our game for no reason when there's the alternative of not doing that
I don't think this was a conscious decision, it seems more like flat out neglect on their part, especially considering the fact that the game easily ran on Pentium 4s, which were already pretty destitute in 2007.

>>382415604
>valve
>neglect
>ever
nooooooooooooooooo

>>382415528
Uhh, all of those were put into place at the same time anon, including the PC ones.
IIRC, this was either during or right after E3 2016.

>>382415454
>You guys are very inflammatory when presented with a viable reason for why things are the way they are.
I'm sorry, you should go to Reddit. I hear they're very accommodating to stupid arguments as long as it's from an authority.

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>>382415060
You're retarded if you think CSGO was developed under the same circumstances as TF2 originally was.
There's also a hell of a lot more stuff happening in the average game of TF2 than in GO.

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>If your TF2 doesn't look like this, then you need to update your game
>>382406765
SHUT THE FUCK UP.
The game runs worse than it has from ever before, for starters.

>>382414660
PCbros aren't even the problem.
It's the fucking fanboys that are.

>>382410294
>implying fanboys aren't just trying to white-knight for their beloved, shitty game.

>>382406914
Took him long enough to upload that video.

>>382406510
So they make more room for junk-data.
Also known as the cosmetics they add.

>>382409657
It outwardly does affect the game-play, though.
For instance, they'll continue catering to the audience that's interested in that kind of dumb shit.
While your devs COULD be fixating on re-working & balancing your broken weapons; they're too busy with relying on shitty hats that people make,
or some fucking ugly FPSbanana reskins.

>>382413429
That sounds like something a PAYDAY 2 dev would say.
Bravo, retard.
You're the reason why these games are shit.

>>382412217
hello my own reddit friend

i have noticed a little trend

so i would heavily recommend

that you put 2 spaces at the end

to avoid creating spaces that offend

which would allow you to create a proper paragraph,

meaning it should be easier than doing math!

one more thing before you'd press send

make sure you get off my fucking board

before i send you up to meet the holy lord

unless you'd like to see where my guns are stored

and wage a bargain you wouldn't afford!

>>382406914
Nice try but I will never give that faggot views

>>382415908
>There's also a hell of a lot more stuff happening in the average game of TF2 than in GO.
TF2 is also 5 years older and uses much less demanding technology.
Hell, does TF2 even have sun shadows?

I decided to check some things using earlier builds.
It seems like the graphical downgrade is there ever since at least 2011.

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>>382415930
kys nerd

>>382413170
> Optimization
But anon, the game is like 10 years old.
Our old PCs (like mine a 7300GT) could run it on 60FPS just fine, maxed out.

Now we have 1080 TIs and they optimize the game? Makes no sense. No offense.

>>382417417
Where could one find older TF2 builds? I kind of feel like fucking around with one and then crying myself to sleep.

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>>382413170
>>382406510
TF2 modder here.

All the lighting changes and effects were changed because they shifted from the old viewmodel & worldmodel models (in other words, the model you see in first person was different to the one you see on other players) to a "c_" model, which is universal.
In doing so, because a lot of the view models had good chunks missing out of the models for optimisation, they just used the world models which didn't have the better textures and effects.

>>382406510
They kept adding shit that hurt performance

>>382417751
The Pirate Bay.
Here is a build from launch people used to play 2 or 3 years ago. It needs to be launched from Steam. https://mega.co.nz/#F!QQpz2JoC!heSTRwG2pTCnP3L-5PgKjg

>>382417756
It's also why the animations on the minigun suddenly changed, the view model was that different from the world model.

>>382417756
Sounds like Valve stopped giving a fuck rather than it being an intentional optimization.

>>382406765
Valve downgraded the graphics in the game because the glowing hats and weapons tanked the framerate on shitty computers.

seriously.

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>>382406765
>lowering max graphics detail to appeal to low end systems
This makes 0 sense but valve drones repeat it anyway.

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>>382417417
I wanted to see the 1 player performance on 2fort between 2007, 2011 and 2017.
Here is the 2007 version. Framerate is relatively low, because the game lacked multicore rendering at that point.
All max settings, 1440p, MSAAx8.

>>382417910
Nah

>>382417864
Thanks.
>people used to play 2 or 3 years ago
Is there a reason why they don't anymore? I would love to play some old TF2.
>It needs to be launched from Steam.
What do you mean by this, though? Add it as a non-steam game?
And I assume I need the server file if I were to try and host a server (probably not but in the event I do).

>>382417983
There is an options menu where you can reduce the model detail. No reason to downgrade the game for people with decent hardware.

If any other dev did this you'd scream murder, but IT'S OK WHEN VALVE DOES IT

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>>382418032
2011, before going free 2 play. Multicore rendering implemented, but also you can see downgraded Flamethrower model, as well as lighting changes.

>>382418094
>downgrade
Those are all extremely minor changes

>>382413170
tl;dr: the game looks worse because they wanted to shoehorn in a bunch of shitty hats

>>382406510
>2011+6
>still falling for the graphics jew

I bet you faggots don't even play textbased dorf fortress.

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>>382418135
2017. Changed view model fov. Models are still downgraded, but distant shadows seem to be darker. Also game uses way more VRAM.

>>382418083
>Is there a reason why they don't anymore? I would love to play some old TF2.
No clue. Here is the Steam group http://steamcommunity.com/groups/TF2007N
>What do you mean by this, though? Add it as a non-steam game?
See http://steamcommunity.com/groups/TF2007N/discussions/0/133262487495679532/

>>382414034
this. The people in charge of TF2 patches right now is a skeleton crew of underpaid interns whos sole purpose is to keep pumping out hats to the whales who can afford to buy them

>>382418083
In general if you want to play classic TF2, you'll have to count on Team Fortress 2 Classic. A mod, where there's a 2007 vanilla mode. Not many people play it though. You'll have to check some Steam groups for the events.

>>382418032
>>382418135
shit i KNEW they changed the pyro flamethrower model. it used to be so cool, and then they made it look like shit, and then they broke the weapon swapping animation and now Pyro feels shitty as fuck to play as.

>>382418135
So this is it, model is not round anymore so lets cry about it instead of having good tf2 threads like before.

>>382412479
it's called "double space" anon.

it's a more professional and structured approach to telling you why you're such a retard.

>>382412217
It's because Source can't handle the fucking hats. The game NEEDS to be ported to Source 2

>>382413170
>3d animation details require more textures

>>382412032
It's not OK, but you can't say microtransactions ruined Overwatch when they were always in the game. Ruining something would imply that it was good at one point in time.

TF2 was ruined by microtransactions, Overwatch wasn't.

>>382418448
You can only have good threads if the game itself is good too. Those days aren't coming back.

>>382418758
I'll agree that transactions didn't ruin OW. its fucking stupid playerbase did tho

>>382406510

This is fucking disgusting.

>>382413170
but that's wrong you fucking retard.

rendering textures and models (along with UVW mapping) is literally least computationally expensive part of rendering the whole frame.
you're just a dumb pcbro that is trying to justify laziness and using nearly 20 year old engine with few tweaks

>>382406510
To increase performance?

TF2 used to be a fun game, shame Valve ruined it.

Think it's possible they'll release a vanilla "TF2 Classic" at some point?

To be honest though, who hasn't gotten their fill of the game after almost a decade? I myself haven't played regularly since 2010.

Do people still play this on 360? I remember being bitter about the lack of updates but now its the only version worth playing

>>382419003
>Think it's possible they'll release a vanilla "TF2 Classic" at some point?
http://tf2classic.com/
Ignore they added new stuff, there's a 2007 vanilla mode, but not many people play it at regular basis.

>>382419003
i havent played since sniper vs spy update and i recently installed again. all the cosmetics and hundreds of fucking weapons disgust me, but that doesn't stop me from using stock weapons and blasting people. you can definitely tell it is not the same game though.

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>>382418957
The performance of gaming PCs has literally increased tenfold since TF2 released.
Even the lowest end fanless netbook has more power than the midrange GPU did in 2007.

>>382413170
>hats killed technology

I hate gaben so much

What the fuck happened to Valve? Why did they stop making games?

Even if the main team lost interest they really couldn't have branched out a development wing focused solely on making games? Everyone and their grandmother would have been chomping at the bit to work for them, it makes no sense.

And even if you can't make as much money from a normal game without hats, you're not making ANY money by releasing nothing at all.

Again, it makes no sense.

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>>382419448
>Why did they stop making games
because (((someone))) convinced them that running a gambling network on Steam would make way way way way way way more money.

>>382419448
>Why did they stop making games?

Because they started making money by being Jews.

>>382419542
>>382419547

>>blame Jews for literally every single thing you don't like about the world.

Wow.

TF2 is played out, just let it die.

I'd be down for a TF3 but we all know Valve can't count to 3.

>>382413170
>3D artist
>knowing shit about optimization

You talking out of your ass, they are using the same low quality models for first person view as you would see in a spectate mode. It is because of that you see a lower quality maps, animations and lower polycount. There is nothing to do with animations, they are simply using the same model for every view mode. Why they did it is what is unknown yet, you can say it is for optimization, you can say it is due to hats, but actually, they never needed to do that for both reasons.

Isn't it funny how Valve pissed away all that critical acclaim, all that cultural cache (how many memes did Portal and TF2 inspire? It seems like the style of humor in Portal literally influenced the entire culture), they just pissed it all away, now no one gives a shit, in fact there's probably a whole generation of gamers who barely know anything about them beyond Steam.

>>382419448
>Why did they stop making games?
The only games they ever made from scratch are Half Life and Ricochet. Everything else released by Valve was originally developed by someone else before Valve bought the rights and hired the people responsible.
When they stopped buying other companies they also stopped making new games.

>>382419648
Prioritizing profit margins over product quality is quintessentially Jewish behavior.

>>382406510
I know a lot changed but this is genuinely the only thing that bugged me. For GENUINELY what purpose? Why prevent bottles from breaking? Did that make the game too violent for ratings maybe?

>>382419865
Japanese does that too, but they have way way way higher standard because they sell it to themselves.

>>382419879
if you read the thread, multiple people have already explained why they made that change. do you usually come into threads that have been going on for 4+ hours, not read past the OP, and then respond to people who are most likely not even in the thread anymore?

>>382419865

Yes child, but not literally everyone on the face of the Earth who wants money is Jewish, are you 12 years old?

How many Jews work for Valve? Is Gaben Jewish? Has the entire video game industry not proven itself to be greedy as fuck?

You /pol/tards see Jews in your soup, do you blame stubbing your toe on the Jewish conspiracy?

Yeah, there's some greedy Jews out there, but to blame literally every single thing you don't like on Jews is well past the point of absurdity.

Again, Gaben is clearly the mastermind of Valve, is he Jewish? If not then shut the fuck up.

>>382419937
ye

>>382419830

It's like if Spielberg said "fuck it, I'm done" and never made another movie after Raiders or something.

>>382419863

By Half Life your including 2, right?

Also they may have borrowed the basic idea of Portal from someone else, but the final game is all Valve, the prototype had nothing to do with science labs, mad computers, cake etc.

You are right about L4D and Counter Strike and stuff though.

>>382411628
Removing graphical features is literally what optimization is anon.

You don't just cook the game for a few months to make it run smoother.

>>382418467
Thankfully there is a still a good chance that over the next few years of your education, you will be gunned down by an angry sperg and removed from the gene pool, as piece of shit like you ought be.

>>382420045
I'm not claiming he is Jewish by birth or converted. Western civilization is dominated by Jewish cultural and economic ideas. He isn't one but he's acting like one later in life. Typical corruption story arch desu.

Honestly, all we need to return to old TF2 is to make a server with item server disabled.

Gotta make more room for those hats.

>>382417694
Did you even read the post

>>382420045
>the Jewish conspiracy?
There is no such thing, only Jewish nature. Nothing is hidden anymore, it's all out in the open. You only need eyes to see and the courage to take a look. They're not hiding shit. They tell you they want more diversity, white majority is bad and racist, outsourcing to Pajeets is going to save the world, globalism is the answer, give up your national sovereignty and be glad when Ahmed pimps out your 12 year old daughter.

Where's the conspiracy? Who said there was one?

>>382420214
they literally hired the Portal team along with their idea straight from university. The lead designer was only at Valve for a couple years and left before Portal 2, which incidentally had shitty humor, bad level design, shit pacing and was a full price game you could finish in 5-6 hours.
That's what happens when you let Valve do their own projects.

>>382406510
So that shit skins have an easier time running the game on their wooden pc

>>382420551
Bad goy
Shut up and talk about (((video games)))

>>382408486
Yeah man let's just make every single texture a matte beige colour man yeah who fucking cares? If hey do they're obviously like, a nerd or something man.

>>382411451
Yes, this is why people who bitch about optimization are retarded.

The fact is that retards whine and moan when things don't run perfectly on a toaster with "max" settings.

>>382409294
Go back to le reddit then

>>382410275
>different
No
They were downgraded. Eat shit.

>>382411136
Cry about it

>>382420957
Not an argument.

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>>382420971
Ok so you're gonna cry

>>382421097
No.

>>382420298
>>382420352
You need to go hang yourself

>>382420590

Who was the lead designer? Wasn't it a woman, Kim something?

I think you're way harsh on Portal 2, it was a great game even if not quite an all time classic like the original.

It was also, so far, Valve's last real game.

Oh fuck i missed the memo, is it cool to hate TF2 now?

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>>382421131

>>382421184
It has been for like 6 years now anon

>>382421184
Hello, reddit

>>382421239
6 years since what?

>>382412217
I had a pentium 3 on the year 2000, how the fuck would anyone have that kind of shit still in 2007 ? it's the year crysis realsed for fuck sake

>>382418285
Sweet, thanks. Apparently there's no servers cause of spray exploits, which is unfortunate, but just running around at max settings getting the same FPS I get with modern day TF2 with max frame configs is amazing.
>>382418426
Just downloaded it, are there servers that are up 24/7 or is it only when someone decides to host one?

I wonder what crowbars gonna make us hate next

>>382421589
There are 2 24/7 2007 servers, but if you're in Europe you're in no luck.

>>382406510
>this same thread for the fifth day in a row now
Do you seriously have nothing better to do than shill your shitty youtube comparison video here all day?

>>382413170
>Optimization
>Runs worse than 2007 TF2

>>382418786
Yeah, that's bullshit, I don't care much about graphics or jew economy, the only thing for me that's changed thorought the years is variety of weapons.

>>382411451
The game actually runs worse now than it used to.

>>382422184
some of those weapons are fucked
>some electric pyro gook sign that is a guaranteed crit on anyone that is wet
>hang out in the water in 2fort, oneshotting everyone that isnt a heavy that falls or gets knocked down there, health pickups readily nearby
yeah you arent doing shit about the intelligence but who even tries to cap on 2fort anymore?

Its the 50 time that video has been posted,if that is not shilling then i don't know what it is.

>>382422420
anon, it can't be shilling if nobody is trying to sell you anything.

>>382408486
t. br sipping his sopa de macaco while playing tf2 on a laptop made in 2007

>>382422465
>you can't shill for your own video to get more views

>>382412678
WoW does the same

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>>382408630
>>382407296
>This console command gets noticed
>People use it
>It crashes their game if their pc is shit
>The remove the command because people crashing
>When people could just not use the command and let those who can run it use it

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>it's optimization!
>game still runs terribly
How about we try a different approach, because this optimization isn't doing what it's advertising

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It is possible to mod in old models into game. But as expected, since "c" model is both view and world, you'll have only half the weapon in world view. Here is a pic made on 2017 version.

>>382422284
I barely even play 2fort, but I guarantee you that this is not even that good of a tactic, look: soldier and demo just fly above the bridge, heavy, spy, scout, pyro and medic cross the bridge, sniper and engineer don't even go anywhere. Maybe you'll get some engineer who tries to build on the other side, people rarely fall in there, it just would be boring to sit there and expect some kills when you can get killed by a shotgun or something else.

As long as they balance the game i could care less about graphics.

>>382422794
at this point they can't really balance the game when every class has like 30 different weapons

>>382408630
>Odor foot B foot gone
I don't get it.

>>382411451
Its on fucking source engine, if your computer has difficulty running TF2 then im surprised it can fucking run steam to even download it

Does anyone still play the Xbox 360 version? I as a matter of fact just recently dusted off my 360 and started playing it again.

Remember when it seemed lame that it never got updated? Now it's a good thing.

>>382414660
It's just the Valvetards that do it. These retards will defend Valve to death honestly and it's unbelievable to me. How can one person like PC gaming and Steam at the same time is just ridiculous.

>>382418135
>>382418285
I remember having played the game somewhere in 2012 and the bottle was still possible to break.

>>382422850
Making shit weapons not shit its already a good start

>>382422895

I used to be a huge Valve fanboy, now I fucking HATE them, anyone that can't see that they've gone down the shitter is blind.

>>382422893
>He thinks people building turrets in the sky is a good thing

Its like you never played the console version

>>382422867
It reads as Odor FeBet Gone you idiot

>>382406765
>what are graphics settings?
Valve drones are the stupidest fuckers on the planet.

>>382422893
>Now it's a good thing.
kind of, there are still some unfixed console exploits, like spies retaining their disguise when backstabbing, medic syringe gun needles can be used to boost allies to higher locations, you can teleport the intelligence if you drop it, step on a teleporter, then grab it quickly before the TP actually goes off, you can abuse crouch in certain areas to build sentries outside of the map where others cannot see or hurt them, but they can shoot through the walls and hurt people. there's probably more but those are the ones off the top of my head, all fixed long ago on pc but never on consoles as far as i know

>>382422963
I never liked them in the first place. They're just as money greedy jews as any other company out there if not more. Their fucking business practices are almost EA tier but somehow they get a free pass because muh half life and muh summer sale.

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A multitude of Team Fortress 2 players complain that the game is horribly optimized and plays terribly. This means that the changes to weapon models to use c_models did not have a large impact on the performance of the game.
Justify the change to c_models

>>382422946
Broken bottle model is still in the game files. They probably changed it not that long ago.

>>382421789
Luckily I'm not.
>game runs amazingly at max settings
I missed this, this shit needs to get populated.

>>382423061
>Justify the change to c_models
Not defending anything, but I think it's easier and less resources heavy to use one model and texture for a weapon instead of 2 different ones. Especially when they go crazy with individual weapon skins nowadays.

>>382423061
>>382423171
What's a c_model?

>>382418485
They could just remove hats instead and put it back to buy to play.

>>382423215
alternative to viewmodel and worldmodel, making a single model for the player to see on his screen and on the floor or in the hands of other players

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>that kid who still plays tf2

>>382423045

I'm talking more about the games they made than Steam and the business side of things.

But since they stopped making games well.....

>>382423171
It's not because its easier to render, it's easier to make.
Valve used the same models so they don't have to tweak both the viewmodel texture and the worldmodel texture for every skin

>>382423215
In earlier Source game and early in TF2, they used world model and view model per weapon. Meaning view model could be more detailed, while using as much polygons as world model. c_model is the same model for world and view.

>>382406765
>good mmo
>doesn't mention BDO, the BEST MMO on the market
kek

>>382412795
Alternately just give an option to disable loading of cosmetics. Oh wait, they won't do that, because those shitty unusuals only have value if you can force every fucker else to see your gaudy garbage.

>>382423261
>>382423365
So basically how all games do it these days? I thought the sole reason as to why games were using two separate models was actually optimization (world model having way less poly while viewmodel being highpoly).

Seems simply like a change they did to account for better PCs and to actually improve graphics.

>all these normie faggots parroting opinions when they have 0 knowledge about game development
this is as sad as the people insulting online games's networking code when they have 500+ ping.

>>382423227
And murder their playerbase?

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>>382415930
This

>>382412217
Fuck off, 2007 was the year Crysis came out. HL2 looked really good at the time, compared to Doom 3, but other Source games like TF2 looked dated even in the 2006, before TF2's release.
Even Unreal 2, in all its shittiness, looked superior to TF2.

The fact that TF2 still makes some people so butthurt means that it is still alive and kicking.

The smart thing would be for Valve to release an official TF2 classic that you have to buy with no hats, later weapons optional etc and keep the free to play one for everyone else.

That way everyone wins, but nothing Valve does makes much sense.

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>playing modern TF2 with stock weapons
>realizing they're all stronger and better balanced than anything they've added later on

stock Scout is a fucking monster, go back and play it this way some time

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>>382422893
>Xbox 360 version
2fort and dustbowl servers only. Oh and pray the guy whos running the server don't ragequit

>>382423839
They are rebalancing some weapons especially for the Scout

>>382423590
Not really.. TF2 looks good even today thanks to its superb art design

>>382418467
Normal human beings use paragraphs and don't space every fucking line reddittard

>>382423839
Really varies on class, desu. Most classes have straight upgrade melees for at least utility, if not actual use. Scout and demo probably have some of the most completely sound stock kits, including melee since most of their melees have too many downsides. Because I like making lists though, let's do this shit:

>Scout
Stock is all good here

>Soldier
No reason not to use an escape plan instead of a shovel. Gunboats are debatable if you want to maneuver around more and aren't being pocketed.

>Pyro
No reason not to use a degreaser instead of stock, afterburn is pathetic and 1 less airblast is no big deal. Secondary wise, the reserve shooter is a straight upgrade for close quarters, flaregun for all around, scorch shot for being an asshole. No reason not to use a powerjack.

>Demo
Stock or bust. Iron bomber if you're a faggot.

>Heavy
Tomislav is a straight sidegrade if you like more accuracy. Sandvich is an upgrade, as are GRU for utility or KGB for actual punching.

>Engineer
Rescue ranger for traditional engie, widowmaker for gunslinging. Wrangler for traditional. Wrench only needs to be changed for gun slinging.

>Medic
Crusader's crossbow is a straight upgrade and you're retarded if you don't use it, same for ubersaw. Stock medi-gun is best for all around, but kritz is viable for some stuff.

>Sniper
Razorback for spies, DDS for other snipers, or piss to help out, all are better than the LMG. Tribalman's shiv is more likely to net you a kill if it comes to melee.

>Spy
DR if you wanna troll retards, ambassador if you wanna pretend to be a sniper.

Because it went free to play and Russian children don't own good PCs nor know how to use a settings menu.

>>382406510
because when it was new they put loads of effort in and cared, now its just a rehash to make more $ they dont give a fuck

>cant attack while cloaked which then uncloacks you
>have to manually uncloak whitch makes a large noise and everyone knows your a spy
why? or was it for certain watches?

>>382425153
it's every watch. to be honest though, tfc/quake spy could not cloak, but they had a grappling hook and could drop a fake trapped ammo bag that instagibs any enemy that tries to pick it up. they could also feign death, so hitting feign+trap bag usually works, as long as you don't do it in a firefight where you will be hit by stray explosions

>>382412479
>Someone makes a long post
>Makes it readable

*autistic screeching*

>>382425472
Formatting is bad
REE GO BACK TO BLEBBIT

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>>382425472

>>382425472
>10 sentences
>long
He's not writing a high school essay, he doesn't need to double space his post on a Laotion cave painting quarterly.

Serious question, how active is TF2 on PS3? I don't expect 3 full servers.

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I still remember buying the orange box back in 2007 and having lots of fun with TF2 back then, it was such a shitty year for me, playing it made me so happy and made me forget my problems a bit.

It's a shame that Valve did such disservice to the TF2 like this, bloated it with cosmetics and forgot what made the game fun in the first place, a fucking shame really.

>>382423545
Absolutely, they'd gain a smaller but much less abhorrent one in the trade.

pinpoint me the exact moment when it all went to shit

>>382428367
>forgot what made the game fun in the first place
You mean the game being new and original for its time? Then of course it stopped being new and original and even hats could no longer keep people in the game, but you still can play the fucking game.

>>382428717
Some people say it was doomed with Goldrush, I believe it was Mann-conomy.