What are your hopes for Smash 5?

>>382380989
for it not to be tra5h

bring back tripping, that shit is hilarious

>>382380989
for the smash fanbase to take their meds

>>382380989
Please no.

Smash Bros. 5 will be the Wii U version with some upgrades/new characters/stuff from 3DS version/video editor/slightly updated graphics

Smash 4 but more combo focused and ice climbers

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>>382381178
But that's literally what every Smash game since the first has been?

sakurai: i can't developu for shitto, let me hire the project m devs

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>>382380989

Sakurai has made it clear countless times just how much stress and pain he has to endure when working on one of these games. I genuinely don't expect a new Smash Bros. on the Switch until maybe very late in the systems life, and even then it'll probably only be executively produced by Sakurai.

In the mean time, my expectations are probably a Smash 4 port with Ice Climbers, Inklings and some other bullshit character that nobody expects.

>>382381178
What's different about the DS version?

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>>382380989
That Sakurai isn't directing it.

>>382381484
Wow sakurai, being the idea guy for a smash bros game sure sounds hard.
I really pity that guy, god damn. Such a sad story that poor man has.

Snake.
Phoenix Wright.

That's all I want.

>>382380989
Only being able to airdodge once in the air until you land

>>382381087
This
>Smash is and will never be a serious E-"""""""SPORT"""""""

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Bring back my nigga Wolf.

>>382381513
Different stages and yeah

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Not add any new zelda or donkey kong characters and add 50 new fire emblem newcomers

>>382380989

that it fixes all the problem the previous smash had

Problem 1:

Sm4sh had no fucking identity, part of the reason was that it looks to similiar to brawl so please just give a whole new look to the cast

Problem 2:

character, if i see nintendo adding another fire emblem swordman or some dumb shit like baby mario i'm going to puke, either pick some of the more interessing assist trophy character and turn them into real character or bite the bullet, ask for more 3rd company character and make it a videogame fighter rather than a nintendo game fighter

oh and for fucking sake, if we can't stop with the clones at least give his own moveset to ganondorf

Problem 3:

game mode, every new smash game mode keep getting shittier and shittier, please return to a proper target mode

also i thought brawl adventure mode kinda captured the spirit of what dumb crossover should be about, so please try that again

Problem 4

i'd like if we got more "wacky" stages like pokefloat,big blue and brinstar depths... when they announced there would be a FF7 stage i keep thinking how fucking cool it would be to have an actual stage where the character travel midgar using midgar trains

but no, it's 3 platform floating around with summon appearing at random

chaos is what made melee fun, you can't have chaos if you make stage to appeal to tourneyfags

Problem 5

and finaly ultimately i think the reason most people prefer melee was because it was a faster paced game, brawl and sm4sh don't feel fast paced or chaotic at all, so speed it up

>>382381646

He doesn't just sit in a chair and give orders, he takes a huge amount of time fine-tuning and coding the game himself. He caused permanent damage to his arm while working on Smash 4.

>>382381586
>harada
hell no, fuck off.

>>382382186

oh also i should add, collectible are fines but no one gives a fucking shit about custom move and customizable character, stop putting shit no one wants

>>382382186
I'd like the new game to be faster, but not like melee. That game felt too heavy, rigid, and stiff.

>>382382504
>but no one gives a fucking shit about custom move and customizable character
speak for yourself.

>>382382645

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcFoFEorOzg

look at this shit anon! LOOK! AT! THIS! SHIT!

i even forgot that this mode existed at all

>>382380989
That it's its own unique experience that still fits in the series. I don't want it to be another Brawl like Smash 4 was, but I also don't want the devs to capitulate to their most rabid fanboys and turn it into a clone of Melee.

>Give a Jigglypuff an upthrow to rest combo at low percents.
>The tip of jigglypuffs pound will damage shield for 90%
>Uptilt to rest combo at high percents
>Upthrow is now a kill move on most of the cast at 120%
>MarCina uptilts have lower priority to all jigglypuffs move
>Rollout twist thing will never roll for more than 3 seconds when off stage
>Double Sings AOE
>Dairs first hit spikes with the same knockback as Clouds dair

>>382382351
I din't mean Harada in particular. He us better than fucking Sakurai though.

>>382382186
yeah we literally need sakurai from 2000 to take over and dev the game. he did an amazing job with melee! that's all we need!

>>382380989
Rayman

>>382380989
Good gameplay

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>>382382186
>you make stage to appeal to tourneyfags
Have you ever played Smash 4?

Remove Jigglypuff, Roy and Lucina
Add in new characters
Make game faster and characters faster to compensate

>>382384325
>removing characters
Give me one(1) good reason.

>>382384325
>Jigglypuff
You got a problem with Jigglypuff one of the original 8, you fucking shitter? Did your dad put a finger in your ass when you were young? I'll kick your teeth down your mouth.

>>382384515
t. Hungrybox

>>382384436
Roy and Lucina bloat the cast needlessly. Fucking nobody likes Roy aside from smashfags and Venom Roy. There's no point to put him in just because of Teh ph1R3!

He's a garbage character and a garbage unit in his own game. Lucina is literally Marth. Looks like Marth, has the same chest as Marth, same ass as Marth, same weapon as Marth, same hair as Marth... Like nigga just put her as a Marth costume like the Koopalings. There's no reason for her to not be there.

I love Fire Emblem and it's one of my favourite series but we don't need that many reps. Robin, Ike and Marth are all incredibly distinct, and to a lesser extent Corrin is too. Having these soft clones is just wasteful and disrespectful. Most of all, it is lazy.
If you really wanna have 6 FE reps then add in popular people with the potential for unique movesets.

Jiggs is just because she's annoying as fuck by design and nothing will ever change it.

>>382384325

>Jigglypuff and Roy

you see anon, the trick is NOT to remove characters people LIKE

>>382384325
>Remove Jigglypuff, Roy and Lucina
Why would you remove jigglypuff, one of the only viable floaty characters and Roy, the fucking badass?

Playable Jimmy T. Playable Spring Man.

>>382384847
So it's just because you don't like them, okay then.

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OUR TERAFLOPS WILL MAKE SMASH A MASSIVE SUCCESS

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>>382380989
That it isn't Brawl 3

Play SSF2, that is what Brawl, Smash 4 and what Smash 5 should have been and be. Seriously you don't have to make a autistic competitive Melee 2 just to make a good Smash game. Just make a fucking good Smash game with GOOD game content, not Mario Party Mode, Kid Icarus Mode, not Fire Emblem Mode, or Kirby Mode and fucking hell just bring back Classic Mode as it should be; an ARCADE MODE like how Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat did it for decades. And same goes for Break the Targets.

>>382383702
You're fucking dumb. He doesn't even know how to make a smash game. How the hell do you think he'd be better than Sakurai? Atleast suggest someone who knows the platform fighter genre, or someone who works under Sakurai.

>>382384847
Oh, fuck off. You realize Roy plays nothing like Marth now, right? Because they have some similar animations, I guess that makes Roy unworthy? Bet you thought Wolf was a clone of Fox too, didn't you?

>>382384847
I agree with you on Lucina.

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Add Hector

>>382380989
thanks doc

>>382380989
A video of Sakurai taking a shit on a copy of Melee.

>>382384847
>Roy and Lucina "bloat the cast needlessly"

No they fucking do not. Don't like them? Don't play them, it is that fucking simple.

You need to have a damn good reason for removing characters, not to appease the whiny little shitters like you who are just going to find something else to bitch about anyway.

>>382386260
Lucina does, the only thing different is her hitbox. She's basically the same as Marth.

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>>382381484
>>382382304
He'll be going through a lot more pain now that Iwata isn't here to let him have free reign on the series, assuming he comes back. Old man Nintendo won't play that shit.

>>382384847

>Nobody likes Roy except Smashfags, so remove him from smash!

Not only is this extremely backwards and stupid but Roy is one of the most popular male fire emblem Lord's according to recent polling. More popular than Marth, Robin, and Corrin. So FE fans and Smash fans like him, and he has a unique movesets and playstyle. You're just stupid. There's no reason to remove anyone from Smash. I'd be happy to see even Dark Pit return in Smash 5 because I bet you money if he did he would probably have a completely unique movesets.

Plus, someone somewhere mains Dark Pit and I'm not an immature cuck like you who wants characters removed just because I don't like them. All your flimsy half assed justifications are really just there to mask the fact that you dont like the characters and you don't care if anyone else does either.

just be like melee

>>382386432


It probably only took a week to have Lucina in the final game. I don't see any down side to throwing her in, since the effort to add her is inconsequentially minuscule but it makes Lucina fans happy.

>>382386632

Melee is so gimmicky though.

I wouldn't my some elements from melee, but all the superfluous inputs to make your character viable aren't what a new SSB needs.

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I want clones and semi-clones to be changed up more. It seems like a great way to freshen up the roster without inflating it more.
I know the knee-jerk reaction to Lucina and Dark Pit is to want them removed, but I think that there's enough material from their respective series to give them unique playstyles. Loading down DP with more unique weapon types from Uprising and somehow incorporating class changing into Lucina could make the two completely different from their Clonees.

I don't see that happening though. Ganon's still barely changed because of "muh status quo" or whatever bullshit.

*Goes to retro studios to pitch a new smash bros game*

>>382386742
>I don't see any down side to throwing her in
It's lazy, she barely deviates from Marth gameplay wise. The devs might be encouraged to add more clones with little effort like D.Pit, or Lucina, instead of working on original characters.

>>382380989
Subspace Emissary-like story mode and/or Melee-style Adventure Mode.

Don't let Sakurai make it, but let him consult or something. Smash 4 is a very polished bad game. We need a very polished good game.

>>382385563
>He doesn't even know how to make a Smash game
Neither does Sakurai apparently.

>>382386432
So what? She also probably took like an hour to add in. Do you think, if she wasn't in, you'd have Issac or Dixie or K. Rool or Ridley or whoever in her place? That's not how it works. She takes nothing away by being here. Wanting her cut because you don't like her is petty as fuck and makes you look like an enormous fag.

>>382387837
>Neither does Sakurai apparently.
explain

>>382380989
Good gameplay.

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>>382386027
>Hector

You're my guy, I'd trade Corrin, Roy and Lucina for Hector.

>>382387879
I want her cut so other, better FE characters can be added. The Devs already think there are way too many FE characters. Removing Lucina opens the path for more.

>>382387636
>Smash 4 is a very polished bad game.

The WiiU game look really inconsistent. some parts look really polished and other parts don't

Even if the 3DS version is widely considered inferior, at least it's more consistent. but that's due to low resolution.

>>382387889
Smash is fucking terrible, it's a great concept executed in a way that's fucking horribly unfun. Melee was cool but it still has a heap of problems.

>>382387496
You know Lucina, DP, and Doc were only added at the tail end, after the rest of the roster was complete, but they still had some time before the deadline? If you want to blame someone for taking time away from 'original characters', blame the fucking Mii Fighters.

>>382388109
Smash Bros for arcade, please, because it removes the Mii Fighters.

>>382387991
Not him but it could honestly be worse. Playstation All Stars somehow pulled the concept off worse with supers only to kill. I agree that I be interested to see a new director's take to see how much it differ.

>>382387991


Smash 4 is fun to me depending on what character is on screen

characters like Sonic, Megaman, Bayo, etc. I never thought to myself "what a fun match" regardless if I win or lose.

>>382387952
And cutting Lucy guarantees a new FE character?

And no, the devs obviously DON'T think that, or don't you think they'd stop adding FE characters? Sakurai said he was concerned about the amount with Corrin, but they convinced him anyway.

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Would /v/ be pissed if they added the main character from the Switch Fire Emblem if said character used a spear and shield instead of a sword?

>>382380989
Instead of making it brawl 3.0 make it melee with a massive roster without phantom hits, wobbling and you lose your invincibility after grabbing the ledge 3 times.

>>382380989
60fps. That's it.

>>382388109
>If you want to blame someone for taking time away from 'original characters', blame the fucking Mii Fighters
Why would I blame Mii Fighters? They were actually original. Also my problem with clones is that having characters like Lucina and D.Pit is lazy, and it also stops new characters from getting in because devs like to have a certain limit of characters for these type of games.

>>382389378
wasnt the only functional difference between pit and d.pit the side and neutral special? why even make them different characters at that point?
d.pit has a fucking sniper and its relegated to his final smash? so much potential is lost with him.

>>382382557
Kek shitter detected.

>>382380989
That it never happens. Reddit get out.

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>>382388906
I wouldn't be mad because it'd be the first non-sword lord since 10(?).

A good amount of new characters. (If it was a smash 5 type upgrade and not just sm4sh dx, id pick Ice Climbers, Wolf, Isaac, Inkling, Springman, K Rool, Sylux, Rex, Bomberman, Shovel Knight, Travis Touchdown and Sora) HD Smash Tour. HD 3DS Stages. Couple new stages for new characters. Custom moves for characters without them. 60fps.

>>382389997
How am I a shitter? The game feel rigid, and stiff. PM feels smoother.

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>YFW people want characters from bad games like ARMS to taint Smash Bros.

>>382389780

Lore reasons. Dark Pit is not loyal to Palutena, and therefore cannot use the 3 Sacred Treasures. It at least bugged Sakurai enough that Dark Pit was made into his own fighter. I imagine at least the Electro Arm belonged to Pit in an earlier build of the game.

>>382390395
Wolf, Spring Man, Ice Climbers, Sylux, and Inkling are good. But the rest of that list is trash.

>>382390879
Not him, but lemme guess - Wolf for muh veteran status, IC for the Switch specs and the other two for 'relevancy'.

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Why are people against any Arms character getting in? They have a fun lively cast, that's only going to grow over time with the free content approach they're doing for it.

>>382390879

I'd personally like more characters from smaller games, or more retro characters.
>Retro
Balloon Fighter, Mike Jones, Sukapon.
>Smaller Games
Qbby, Mallo, Tethu, Dillon.

Also some full Mii skins to make them look like named characters from the 3DS Plaza games. Iris, the flower guy, the pasty green-haired guy from Market Crashers, the ninja girl, the scientist lady, etc.

>>382390993
>Not him, but lemme guess - Wolf for muh veteran status, IC for the Switch specs and the other two for 'relevancy'
Nah, Wolf was actually pretty fun to play in Brawl, I especially liked how his D-Throw made the opponent slide a bit. Ice Climbers were also pretty fun to play as, but I'm a bit iffy on them, because I kinda want another smash game on the 3ds. Also Springman would be a pretty good addition to smash because of his potential moveset. I just want Inkling so there can be another ranged based character, and I kinda want Sylux.

>>382389378
The Mii Fighters aren't even characters. They took the time to develop 3 separate movesets for them when they can't even be used online, when they could have used that time developing actual characters. Maybe Wolf or someone could have made it back.

How are the clones 'lazy'? They're just last-minute additions to pad out the roster, once the rest of the roster is done. They don't take time or development away from anyone else. You don't need to worry about them messing with your 'character limit', because they wouldn't even be added until every other character was done, anyway.

Fuck. Do people whine this much about the clones in literally every other fighter?

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>>382387879
Stop fucking defending piece of shit trash.

The character isn't the problem (at least, in a non bias way) but she being half baked just because "muh roster slots" makes you no better defending her standalone spot on the roster than the Ridleyfags (formerly so) and other characterfags thinking clones seriously take away "rep space". If you're not going to add something different, GAMEPLAY WISE, DON'T FUCKING BOTHER. Waste of time regardless. I don't want 50 recolored Mario's in a 51 roster game, I want 51 unique fighters. This goes for FEshit, KidIcarusshit, Docshit, whatever. Make a roster be filled with original characters; not pandered, padded shit. I hate roster bloat over what characters get in, if Lucina and Pittoo by default weren't clones I'd accept them being completely unique. If you can't put time into these characters, why should I care if they got in? It's like saying Dorffags should be grateful Ganon is a fucking clone of a beta character of Dragon King.

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>>382380989
>smash for mobile phones

>>382391975
>The Mii Fighters aren't even characters.
How are they not characters, the whole point of them is to be a playable OC.
>How are the clones 'lazy'?
Because all the devs did was just tweak the hitbox on Marth's blade. And change the angle that Pit's side b launches you, and how the bow shoots, and call them characters.
>They don't take time or development away from anyone else. You don't need to worry about them messing with your 'character limit', because they wouldn't even be added until every other character was done, anyway.
There's still DLC characters.

>>382393160
The Mii Fighters have no personalities or characterization, they don't even have a home series. They're just...there.

I've never seen the clones as lazy because they're added after everyone else. Of course they aren't going to be too unique, how much do you expect them to be able to do last-second?

And we didn't get any DLC clones, even Roy was changed up enough to be considered unique, so what's your point?

Smash bros has been one of my favorite games since the first one.
I would be perfectly fine if they don't do a smash game on Switch at least not for a while or mostly just a port of Wii U.
Since it's physically painful for him to work on the game and he's had difficulty delegating things to other people in development, I want him to have his rest.
If they do a new one either he's going to feel mentally pained to not be able to work directly on it, or he's going to force himself to take up the pain and get involved again.

Rest for now sweet Sakurai.

>>382389275
Yes, I'd love to play crap as long as its framerate is good.

>>382393975
>The Mii Fighters have no personalities or characterization
The whole point of them is to represent the player.
>they don't even have a home series
Wii Sports? Wii Party? Wii Resort?
>They're just...there
They're in place so players can play with their Mii's Nintendo's been doing this with Mii's for a while now. See Sonic Unleashed, Smash, etc.
>I've never seen the clones as lazy because they're added after everyone else
It doesn't matter what you think, they're still lazy, and take very little effort to complete. What's the point of adding them if they barely deviate from the character they copied?
>Of course they aren't going to be too unique, how much do you expect them to be able to do last-second?
Make them like Roy, Falco, or Ganon. Those are clones, but they're still different enough to where I can look at them and go "hmm, I can see they put effort in to make them different from Marth/Ganon.".
>And we didn't get any DLC clones, even Roy was changed up enough to be considered unique, so what's your point?
First off Roy is still a clone, he's just been changed enough to where he doesn't feel like I'm playing Marth, unlike Lucina. Also my point is that clone characters contribute to the limit of characters the dev has set. Which can impact the potential number of DLC characters as well.

>>382395178
*clone characters like D.Pit and Lucina

>>382382186
>smash 4 has amiibos thats a new look
>no fuck you we need more fe swordman the otherclases sucks
>no smash is about smashing buttons no a bloody target mode, also adventure mode its smash run on the 3ds so fu
>whats the point if on the end we just play final destination omega
>no smash use wireless controllers with huge imput lag if you speed up the game will be unbalance and you will need a mandatory 60$adapter + 50$controller

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>>382380989
Melee with Snake, Megaman, and Ryu added.

>>382382186
Great post. Smash 4 is so fucking generic and the Wii U version especially has such shit singleplayer content.

I pray to god Smash 4 doesn't get turned into some shitty service game with continually DLC on Switch. They need to save what new characters they have for the next proper game.

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>>382380989
I want Ray01 (or any Ray model to be in smash),
also break the targets levels to be unique for every character.

>>382382186
>Sm4sh had no fucking identity, part of the reason was that it looks to similiar to brawl so please just give a whole new look to the cast
Nigga, what?

The game is the furthest from Brawl than any other SSB save for maybe 64. Thematically, it wasn't shit like Brawl. Everything is more colorful, the overall atmosphere isn't as dark or as 'realistic', and the game is overall lighter.

I'm not sure how the fuck you think it looks like Brawl when even Sakurai noted the emphasis on primary colors.

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>>382380989

That Dedede doesn't feel like complete shit to play. I'm not asking for Brawl DDD to return, just not for him to be hard countered by his own kit.

>>382398143

I JUST WANT MY DTILT TO ACTUALLY FUCKING HIT

>>382398535

I want Waddle Dee toss back. Either that or give Gordo Toss priority over all other projectiles, I don't care if it only does 1% damage.

How do I into smash? Everyone flies around the fucking stage and I don't get it. Even when I short hop and fast fall I'm sluggish as hell compared to everyone.

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>>382380989
For kirby to be top tier again.

>>382399336
Who do you play?

>>382380989
-Jump momentum
-Z-canceling
-directional airdodges with momentum transfer to ground
-64 level frame data and animation speeds
-long initial dashes which can be turned to opposite dashes repeatedly
>varieties of cancels on moves like jump-cancels, ledge cancels, edge cancels
-complex and numerous hitbubbles on moves that create a vast diversity of scenarios and uses for each move based on percentages, timing, and placement of attack
-lightshielding
-reflective powershielding with tight windows
-hitstun and knockback scaling that allows a huge plethora of combo potential creating the illusion of the "custom combo" because so many things can lead into so many things and can even be expanded based on DI reads and mix-ups

That would be baseline to get me to buy since it would actually be a followup to the standard the HAL Smashes set rather than going backwards from them. But I'd like to move forwards from them so I'd also like more gameplay features added like:
-aerial tilts and smashes (smashes chargeable)
-charged throw
-Special + Normal combo attacks where you hit both buttons at once for a whole new attack archetype set
-reduced shield damage based on whether you've moved your shield DI high or low to respond to high or low attacks

>>382399475
Greninja and Charizard. Both ends of the spectrum, but they both feel way slower than my opponents of similar speed rankings.

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>>382399419
>He actually wants this back.
https://youtu.be/Aup8wXHY6G4?t=12m57s

>>382399603

Greninja is one of the only characters I enjoy playing without getting consistently shat on.

>>382399603
Just go in practice mode, and practice fast fall into dashing. Just flick the analog stick down twice while you're in the air. Then quickly dash. Keep practicing and it'll become muscle memory.

>>382400103
>character I like is so good they break the competitive scene of the game

Sounds good. I was really happy to see how people reacted to Bayonetta's broken shit when she was added in 4, as well.

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>>382380989
That the gameplay is like melee. Other than that I want Geno, Ribbon Girl, Skull kid, and Jack Frost to be added to the game.