Why are this game's themes, character and feel so drastically

>>382369204
it was supposed to be the last mgs game.

Kojima subverting the concept of a sequel

It's simultaneously very similar to the first game while being completely different. Clever stuff.

>>382369204
It's a work of art but the price for being that is being the worst MGS as a game

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>>382369317
>Kojima
>ever stopping to milk his franchise

>>382370184
>Konami
>ever stopping to milk his franchise

ftfy

>>382369549
But it's the best MGS

>>382370379
"no"

>>382370453
Yep

>>382370573
>Worst location out of the whole series
>Worst boss squad by far
>Worst Final Boss (He isn't bad. but he is definitely the worst in the series)
"No"

>>382369204
At first I thought you could explore all of big shell, but it turned out to be more linear bullshit.

>>382370869
>Worst location out of the whole series
Phantom Pain
>Worst boss squad by far
Phantom Pain
>Worst Final Boss (He isn't bad. but he is definitely the worst in the series)
Phantom Pain

>>382371005

It was unfinished just like MGSV

>>382371045
You got me there (except for the location), But MGS2 still isn't the best in the series.

>>382370869
>Worst location out of the whole series
wrong
>Worst boss squad by far
wrong
>Worst Final Boss (He isn't bad. but he is definitely the worst in the series)
wrong

>>382370379
You've clearly not played it for a while. In retrospective it's great, but it's not fun to play. It just plays like a worse MGS1.

>>382371327
at least this guy >>382371045
made a counter argument you faggot.

At first I thought Solidus was cooler than Liquid until realize that he's vulnerable to the exact same strategies.

>>382371185
No, it's clearly 3. Anyone who says otherwise is a contrarian.

>>382371045
>kojicuck detected

>>382371558
I agree.

>>382371045
this

I really found the Big Shell to be boring. I think the honeycomb thing it had going on really hurt it.

>>382371751
My problem with that fucking location is that you had very limited room for exploration, at first you think you'll see the whole facility but nope. Had to cut it in half.

Tanker Mission is the best segment in the entire Metal Gear series, you cannot deny this.

>>382372407
It was very meh.

>>382369204
Because it had the balls to turn things on its head.

>>382372407
This.

The Plant was unironically better.

>>382372225
Peace Walker is a great game.

>>382372643
Stealth is piss easy in PW, and it felt grindy at times. It's still a great game.

>>382372643
I only liked the boss battles really.

>>382372643
Nah.

>>382372865
It was only grindy if you killed soldiers during missions and didn't allocate every one of your new soldiers to R&D.

>>382372643
It takes a little to get into but once you "get it" it's great

>>382370869
>Worst location out of the whole series
MGSV
>Worst boss squad by far
Since MGSV doesn't have one, MGS4
>Worst Final Boss (He isn't bad. but he is definitely the worst in the series)
Since MGSV again, doesn't have one, Peace Walker

>>382369394
but he did it already with mg -> mgs 1. why do it again?

>>382373469
Mgs2 literally has the worst boss squad in the whole series. MGS4 is leagues better with the B&B
And Big Shell is still worse than endless desert

>>382369204
phantom pain is my first MGS
are the other games in this series autistic too?

>>382370869
>>Worst location out of the whole series
Arsenal gear
>>Worst boss squad by far
B&B unit for sure
>>Worst Final Boss (He isn't bad. but he is definitely the worst in the series)
Peace walker

>>382373907
yeah, they're all autistic. Phantom pain's autism is just ignorable because it's all conveyed through awful tapes.

>>382373912
>Arsenal gear
You spend 20 minutes at most in there, and it is still just boring grey hallways.
>B&B unit for sure
No because you actually fight all of them, and some are actually enjoyably.

>>382371751
Just say hexagon retard.

>>382373748
>There is someone who unironically thinks the B&B were good and anywhere even remotely close to as good as MGS1/MGS2/MGS3's squads which had actual personality instead of just WAAAAAAAAAAAHHH I'M CRAZYYYY killing machines followed by a bedtime story

>>382374160
>>Arsenal gear
>You spend 20 minutes at most in there, and it is still just boring grey hallways.
Yeah, but you're in it story wise for way more than I wanted to be. It was underwhelming and I hate the whole area.
>>382374160
>No because you actually fight all of them, and some are actually enjoyably.
True, the fights themselves are great, but from a story perspective they are fucking T R A S H.
That's what I assumed the post was asking for anyway. If we're talking pure gameplay it's skull unit no question.

>>382369394
I can't believe you people make this shit up and attribute it to him as some kind of genius

>>382373907
Phantom Pain is the game that actually feels different from all other MGS games. Seriously they are very different from TPP

>>382374340
>There are people who thought a fat man a rollerskate, an edgy Deviantart character that you don't even fight, and a vampire are good characters/

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>>382372163
That's 100% Konami's fault. They didn't let Kojima do what he wanted with the game

>MFW we'll never get the underwater boss battle vs a shark that Kojima wanted to make
>MFW we'll never get the entire aircraft carrier arc
>MFW we'll never get the entire New York City Streets arc

>>382374503
at least the fatguy on roller skates, deviant art edgy character and a gay vampire tie into the actual plot of the game they're in. B&B unit is throwaway ocelot henchmen with forced backstory that all is the same thing.

>>382374475
It's not made up though?

>>382374652
>He thinks that I was talking about the story when I said worst boss squad
You are the reason why people hate MGS2 kiddies.

>>382374503
Fatman provided enormous merit to the game with the bomb defusal aspect. His dynamic with Peter Stillman and the slow but steady realization of his true plan did way, way, way more to the story than "it's a literally who woman inside a metal suit that cries a lot because she stole a plot twist from MASH for her 60 second long backstory".

>>382371351
>it's not fun to play. It just plays like a worse MGS1.
Imagine having taste this bad

>>382371351
How the fucking shit can you think this? Completely baffles me, it's nothing but an objective improvement.

>>382374750
You talked about characters not boss mechanics.

>>382374750
You were. You attacked their character, not their gameplay mechanics. Why are you backtracking? What does him being a "fat guy on rollerskates" take away from the actual boss battle? Nothing whatsoever. You were trying to attack his character. What does Vamp being n edgy deviantart character have to do with anything gameplay related? Why did you leave out fortune? End of discussion. Caught you trying to squirm your way out of it. What "clever" response are you going to say now? How are you going to justify your retardation?

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>>382374930
Nice samefagging anon.

>>382374750
>doesn't reference any gameplay and talks about character design
and you're a fucking backpedaling retard.

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>>382372407
This

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>>382375142
>making samefagging accusations now that (You)s exist
Quick and easy way to make yourself look stupid

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>>382370869
worse player character.

You know you fucked up big time when the next game to feature that same character completely changed him and ignored any "development" in the previous game

>>382374540
You're being unreasonable.

No game can have an infinite scope. Corners have to be cut somewhere, and Kojima was too vain to realise this. You're also ignoring the fact that the content we did get was awful, so no amount of new content could save it.

>>382375681
That was Kojima pandering to ADHD retards that were to stupid to understand what Raiden was intended to be.

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>>382376548
Raiden was intended to be a Snake wanabee but was told to step out of Snake's shadow.

So MGS4 and MGR did that.

>>382376629
Except MGS2's ending suggested that Raiden intended to step out of Snake's shadow by becoming a civilian.

>>382376548
I thought it was because he wanted girls to play the game?

>>382376629
I thought it was implying he was going to give up the life of soldiering and go be a family man, hence the throwing away of the dog tags, and him not going with snake to help him find liquid?

>>382376787
>Except MGS2's ending suggested that Raiden intended to step out of Snake's shadow by becoming a civilian.


>>382376902
>I thought it was implying he was going to give up the life of soldiering and go be a family man

except fate can be cruel and got mutilated by the Patriots

>>382369317
just like mgs1
...and mgs 3
...and mgs 4
...and mgs 5

>>382378072
>>382370251