I know I'm late to the party but I bought this game on steam

Hey you're already 1/12 of the way through the tutorial!

Lightning is very cute!~

It gets better, but it's not like that means anything.

>>382304770
Is Final Fantasy X-2 worth it

I know /v/ says that game is dogshit because muh endings but literally all I care about is low-poly waifus, frequent and fun battles and lots of leveling. Also waifus.

>>382304856
X-2 is cheeky fun. The story is retarded, but the waifus are there with fun gameplay.

>>382304770
yes, it gets WAY better.
Like said a million times, the very start is the game's weakest link.

I personally expected the game to be a total turd, but before I knew it, I was totally sucked in by the world, its lore, and even the cast.
The sequels are way better gameplay and pacing-wise, but I dig original's story and cast more.

>>382304856
It's great fun IMO.

No, the game is a hallway simulator. 95% of the game is just walking down a hallway and fighting enemies.

There aren't even any towns.

This game is the epitome of "it gets better 30 hours in."
Though "better" is really not saying much.

>>382304970
Ok, thanks for your feedback. The story and gameplay are so dull right now but it's good to know that it gets better. I'm just wondering if I want to put in the hours to get that far.

>>382305028
Gran Pulse is fucking terrible, just like the rest of the game. The game DOES NOT get better at any point.

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>>382304770
Yeah, much better.
The battle system is the better in the series.
The game isn't near as good, but the battle system made me finish.

>>382304770
NO IT DOESNT

PLEASE DONT LISTEN TO WAIFU FAGS AND RETARDS IN THIS THREAD THAT SAY OTHERWISE

YOU KNOW THAT HOUR YOU JUST PUT INTO THE GAME? ITS LIKE THAT FOR THE NEXT 50

THE GAME IS SHIT

>>382304770
>Does it get any better?
It has possibly the cutest waifu to hold a sword in FF and it's universally panned. That should tell you everything you need to know.

aren't moms tough, though?

>Does it get any better?
Not in any meaningful way.
At like 20 hours it stops holding your hand, but nothing drastically different happens to the gameplay other than some enemies requiring some minimal tactics, or to the way the boring plot is narrated.

Anyone who tells you it gets better is just a lying faggot, don't listen to them. The game is total dogshit. They'll probably come and tell you "but at a certain part it stops being a hallway!", and while that is true, it doesn't become something better, it becomes some sort of mob hunting quest bullshit fest, that while slightly more enjoyable that the hallway simulator, is still shit.

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>>382305046
>The story and gameplay are so dull right now but it's good to know that it gets better. I'm just wondering if I want to put in the hours to get that far.
Hard to say on that, but what I can say, and I really need to stress this, is that I used to be a TOTAL FF13 hater. Everything I'd seen and heard about it made me certain it would be a patronizing, mind numbing ride with nothing exceptional or memorable to experience at all. I already considered myself a pretty good game "reader" those few years ago, there was just nothing out there that would've convinced me that the game'd be somehow "good".

But boy, I was wrong. Couple hours in, I somehow found myself coming back to the game, voluntarily. Less than 10h into it, I had to admit I was hooked. 50h in, I'm having a blast. 120h in, and I've pseudo-platinumed the game by my own standards.

No, XIII ain't my favorite FF, far from my first JRPG or FF game either, but it's simply a comfy, flashy, memorable ride. The OST is great, visuals great, battle system (once it evolves to have more classes, moves and party members) is simply one of the better ATB variants ever (especially once ya learn out of Auto-Battle spam), plus the world & lore are simply fascinating - and I love how they don't blatantly spell everything out for you.

I also was surprised how much pure character development the cast goes through during the game; everyone knows the "Lighting's a bitch / Mary Sue" memes I assume, but I can honestly say that these people have never played a single FF13 game, or don't realize what is going on in the plot. Not to mention she's NOT the (only) MC of the game in any way or form.

>>382305719
>I also was surprised how much pure character development the cast goes through during the game

I really can't agree with you on this.

>>382305719

The only character that wasn't an insufferable piece of shit was the fucking black guy with a chocobo in his afro.

Really speaks volumes about the game.

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>>382305719
>I also was surprised how much pure character development the cast goes through

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>>382305972
>He thinks Hope is anywhere near the boy he was in the beginning of the game

Thanks for letting us know you didn't even play the game

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>>382305972
Well that's fine and all, but I would have to question how much you paid attention to the overall story in that case.

>>382306159
I disagree completely.
Only annoying prick at first was Hope, and to his defense, he was a literal, total child. Yet even he manned the fuck up towards the end, and is a total boss in sequels.

>>382306182
>funny reaction image
>green text quote

>>382306278
This. Same goes with every other character.
They start to realize their own shortcomings and mistakes, and put an effort to try and better themselves.

But alas, it's still cool to dis XIII, and just meme-arrow any positive feedback off the table.

>>382306278
>He thinks Hope is anywhere near the boy he was in the beginning of the game

Not saying he didn't change at all but

>how much pure character development the cast goes through

Implies a lot more change then a wimpy kid (that we know initially almost nothing about) becoming a slightly more heroic kid isn't all that much development. You could point to his whole arc he goes though trying to kill meany snow but he gets over it really quick after they fall which is kinda lazy writing imo.

>>382306330
As far as the main cast goes

>Lightning
You start off knowing little and she doesn't really change much throughout the course of the game. Maybe learns about teamwork? okay

>Snow
Actually learns dirt nothing. He starts off as a moron who charges into danger and is after muh sarah. He goes through the entire game charging into danger and doesn't learn jack.

>Hope
As stated earlier he goes through some decent change.

>Sazh
Probably the most human character out of the lot hands down. Has relate-able motivation and emotional moments (even if he does seem a little too goofy a points). That said, he doesn't change as a character all too much. Kinda just goes with everyone else.

>Vanille
No real character development. Is a joke at first and gets slightly more serious for reasons. I guess she embraces becoming Ragnarok after the villain essentially puts a gun to her head? okay

>Fang
Joins too late. Doesn't have much of a character. Muh ragnarok

The cast is pretty bad as far as developing. The only real major arc I can recall was Hope's beef with Snow that ended unsatisfyingly for me.

Shit was boring

>>382305719
I brought FFXIII on release, game was shit, always will be shit and none of your not as bad as people say it is revisionist bullshit will ever change that. Maybe you should jerk off to the Leona Lewis themed fake gameplay trailer to further support your bullshit, although you probably the sort of person who would be a mass effect 3 apologist because that's the level of hatred and disappointment towards the shitty game of a waifufag and I will never not be mad.

>>382304770

it does

but you play this game mainly so you can play 13-2 and LR afterward instead

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>>382306159
>The only character that wasn't an insufferable piece of shit was the fucking black guy with a chocobo in his afro.
How's it feel to be objectively wrong?

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>>382307045
>opinions are revisionist bullshit

stopped reading when the sub 80 IQ insinuations started

>>382304856
the story more or less takes a dump on the seriousness of X, but the combat is absolutely fantastic and theres plenty of waifu pandering

>>382306993
Sucks that Sazh gets completely ignored after his big moment, only character worth getting invested in and he is ushered off to the side for rest of the game, doesn't even get to be pissed off at vanille and Fang for taking his son away from him, just nothing for him after the prison and fighting the pope.

>>382304770

Just stop playing now. I love Final Fantasy games, but 13 is not good by any stretch of the imagination. The only redeeming thing about the game was the battle system, but that is handicapped by the absolute linearity of the game

>>382306993
What really pisses me off about the "character development" in this game is that:
>Oh, my problems are piling up
>Reaching a critical point!
>A summon appear
>Oh everything is fine now, I didn't actually need to solve that it seems, that summon gave me some lesson about something I suppose, done, checked off the writing list

>>382307219
Ironic from a 13fag.

>>382304770
Depends whether you've unlocked cl;asses yet. When everyone gets a class, and you have a 3 man party, combat gets better until you realize it all boils down to raising the bar in the right corner until the enemy falls over so that you can wack it for way more damage in the ten seconds it's on the floor than the entire time it took to get it there combined.

>>382307625
That's more than you can say about VIII though.

>>382304770
>Does it get any better?

Yep, the tutorial ends in about 20 hours!

>>382307175
Fang was an insufferable piece of shit with an awful VA.

>>382308010
8 is a god damn masterpiece compared to 13.

>>382308068
Then you have a five minute wide area into even more corridors.

>>382306993
I'd say that's pretty nasty triviliazation of the cast and their endeavors in general. Most of the cast members have to cast away their entire past life and beliefs, which alone is a big turning point, and then come to terms with the changed world and rules, realizing how sheltered lives they've actually experienced so far. This materializes differently on different characters, at different pace.

I don't quite get the bash on Snow. Easily the most fun and relateable character, a total anti-emo with clear, set goals, and for once the guts and muscles to get the job done too. Has the best main theme and summon to boot.

>>382307045
Well I did not buy the game on release, never thought I would do it either, and the game was great in the end. Never touched a single ME game, and I doubt I will. And no, I don't waifu-fag around either, two of my favorite cast members are both males in XIII.

>>382308194
>8 is a god damn masterpiece compared to 13.
it's not. That's how horrible it is.

>>382308605

Having a world map alone makes it so.

>>382308706
>muh world map!!
I wonder when will the rest of mankind realize how out of place and ultimately plain linear those "world maps" really were in the end. I sure love running around in big, low-poly sphere with a low-poly town behind a low-poly mountain string, having to deal with random encounters every 2 steps, that also take you out of that low-poly world map into a low-poly battle arena pen.

>>382304770
No, you stupid fucking asshole. Being a steaming pile of shit is what this game is notorious for.

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>>382308868
>!!

>>382308605
Nah.

>>382309005
yah.

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>>382309005
>VIII fags think XIII's existence makes VIII any less of a stain on the franchise
The irony is palpable.

>>382309129

How is it a stain? It was hugely popular.

>>382309229
So was XIII, popularity has and will never equate to quality.

>>382304770
No, it's fucking atrocious through and through. Saying it gets better is like saying a turd smells better because you sprayed febreeze on it.

>>382304770
Nah, its game just unbearable shit.

>>382304770
It really isn't as bad as people say.
I personally picked it up for dirt cheap some years ago, despite having heard all sorts of shit about it.
The BEGINNING really didn't even try to prove all the bad claims about it wrong, but luckily, to my own surprise as well, the more I played, the more entertaining and hooking it became.

It's not GOTYAY or best JRPG ever in any sense, but it's FAR from the "worst crap ever" -category. A solid 7/10 experience IMO.
The sequels fixed, expanded and improved many things, especially pacing and gameplay. Up to you whether you like the direction they went with the plot and cast, but they're not hideous either. I found especially LR to be total blast, easily my 2014's GOTY. The 13-2 was simply fun, easily 8/10 at least.

I liked the game, but hated the direction the trilogy took

FFXIII was an ensemble game about everyone in the party with a happy ending for everyone (except Fang and Vanille I guess)

Then all of a sudden they rewrite the ending in the intro to the sequel and suddenly Lightning is actually a god now?!?! But I was even ok with Serah and Noel

But then the third game was literally just about lightning.

>>382304856
Started replaying X-2 recently and my biggest problem with it is the combat doesn't really change throughout the entire game. For a game with pretty straightforward combat i figured further down the road it'd get more complex but the game stays simple and boring. It also doesn't help that you get your ultimate forms like 4 hours into the game so you don't really feel strong towards endgame because your ultimate forms were never really good to begin with.

>>382308535
The waifufag thing is the director of the games waifu is Lightning. The ME3thing is the way I feel towards FFXIII. Not meaning to be melodramatic but I fucking hate this game, It is with no doubt in my mind the worst game iv'e ever played and no other game and any sort of "well its not so bad as people say it is / its actually good you guyz" fills me with such autistic rage that I need to insult them just because the idea of someone liking FFXIII is just so completely abhorrent. It was the first game and only game I ever preordered and represents the first crushing disappointment and where games for me started going to shit so 2009.

>>382309528
>JRPG combat is repetitive and monotonous
You don't say.

>>382304770

It turns from absolutely atrocious to merely very terrible 28 hours in. That would be the Dahaka boss fight. It also becomes good two hours into XIII-2, if you can make it there.

Personally FFXIII:LR AKA FFXIII-3 was the only one in the trilogy that I felt was worth a fuck.

>>382309583
One of the main selling points of X-2 was the the dress spheres were meant to make the game have more diversity and complexity. That's what I'm saying made it boring because it didn't do it. Especially compared to older FF games that toward end game you actually have to change up your style based on who you're fighting unless you're grossly overleveled

>>382309272

Quality in this game is subjective.

>>382309713
>Especially compared to older FF games that toward end game you actually have to change up your style
Is this bait? FF games have always consisted of spamming your most powerful moves over and over again, buffs/debuffs are only relevant and worthwhile in X, XII and XIII.
Combat has never been a strong point of the series, even in a game like V where you have a great class system combat is still brain dead. I mean in VIII with Haste and Aura you can kill every boss with Squall's Overdrive in a few turns.

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>>382304770
The game does get better but not until it opens up about halfway through. Its a bit of a slog until then.

>>382309571
Holy shit are you me?

FF XIII was the last game I bought at full price because I felt raped so hard

I completed the game because I felt obligated to and my friends kept telling me how good the game got

>>382304770
XIII (and its sequels) is the only FF game with good combat

>b-b-b-b-but muh story
Wrong medium bub

>>382309571
So you've not played too much vidya in your life, you are a gullible moron who pre-purchases untested trash for full price, and then consider a-OK / 10 games to count as "worst shit ever" ? Got it.

Yeah, I got the game for a tenner. Was totally worth it and more. Bought the sequels day 1, partly because they were like 30€ a piece, and they were simply great.

>>382309272

Both VIII and XIII are very well made games, albeit different kinds of games. As much as people around here kiss IX's ass, it was the most rushed FF next to XV.

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>>382304829
>Lightning
>cute

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>>382310059
Her sister is cute.

>>382309827
best ff ship

>>382310010
Shit man it was highschool, wish I could be as cool as you with your hot economic decisions and never enjoying a series, to have standards to be met Nigger.

>>382309882
I remember most forums spread the disinformation of it get good in 15 hours or so when it should say more of the same shit.

>>382304801
Seriously, the tutorial ends about 20 hours in.

>>382309882
Me too man.
My friends kept pushing me to finish it, but I just couldnt do it.
Last time I ever bought a game that cost more than $15.

I came for the Lighting porn you faggots, what the fuck are you trying to accomplish by talking about the game? /v/ is a hive mind, you won't get anything other than (You)s.
>l-le "u r teh faggot"

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>>382304770
It does, actually. The Paradigm system is actually deeper than it first appears, and eventually you learn a good flow with it.

>>382309971

I disagree XIII-1 felt like a slower ATB, because you had to wait so long for a single bar to recharge. I will never understand people to whom it's faster. And it was trivially solved combat, should probably be the main complaint after Stagger being a thing, but the slowness annoys me the most today. It just had nothing good to offer. I yearn for interactivity.

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>>382309272
>XIII was popular
Wut

>>382310253
Damn, you niggers are getting thirstier and more pathetic at an alarming rate.

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>>382310630
I'm still impressed by this ice texture

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>>382305125
Ha, what a lozer

>>382310656

It sold like hot cakes and Japan loved Lightning a lot for some weird reason.

>>382310582
>ATB refreshes
>String cancelling to prolong launches
>Buffering Paradigms by queueing moves in one class then switching to another to get a different effect
>Alternating between magic types to increase the stagger
Were you too casual for it or something, there's a lot of interactivity and it and X-2 are the only ATB systems that actually involve any sort of mechanical nuance to them.

>>382310727
new fag

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Some lighting glitches on the PC version

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>>382310734
Game has top tier production value.

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>>382311134
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kkz6JwE3xE

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>>382311223
>dat ost
>dem graphics
>dat /ss/

This game man...

>>382310843
Well, those aren't surprising, but did the nips praise the game for some weird reason?

>>382310582
>I disagree XIII-1 felt like a slower ATB
I... what?
I don't even...

When was the last time you actually played old 90s FF games? And you do know about the "Execute" command?

>>382304856
Final Fantasy X-2 is Yuna's reward, she gets to be ridiculous and experience life when she never thought she'd be around. She saved the world and gave them eternal calm Fuck X-2.5.

The story is very silly but Yuna deserves to be silly after the life she has lived.

>>382310859

I only discovered ATB refresh on my one playthrough, but I'm aware of the others these days. They don't contribute in a way that I find engaging.

X-2 is excellent. (Its chain system being the worst thing about it as well, if that's what you refer to as nuance.)

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>>382311723
It's canon and there's nothing you can do about it anon.

I hated this game the first time I played it, XIII really bothered me. Because I wiped my save and I was bored I ended up playing it again and enjoying it a bit more. Since then I've played it several more times and I consider it to be quite a good game, there's things that could be better but every FF tends to suffer from flaws, it's not in the top tier of them but it's not a bad game.

XIII is nice in giving most of the cast a lot of development, it really doesn't feel like anyone gets left out which is impressive with a 6 person cast. XIII-2 and Lightning Returns are great games so there's more to look forward to when you finish XIII.

>>382311789
If you 'yearn for interactivity' then I have no idea how you can stomach turn based/ATB combat to begin with.

>>382311134
>>382311223
>>382311401
The game had huge production value because it was kind of intended as a giant technical demo for the ps3 to show off the capabilities of the machine, kinda like FFX was for the ps2 except this time the game was a lot more polarizing

>>382311672

Pretty recently. Three+ people on Active get to act more often. By Execute, I presume you mean cutting the bar filling and having the character expend the few bars they have accumulated by then? If so, yes. I tended to prefer the slight Technical Point gain you receive by executing full string of commands.

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>>382312018
>The game had huge production value because it was kind of intended as a giant technical demo for the ps3 to show off the capabilities of the machine
It was slated to be a PS2 game to begin with, but as with all SE FF games barring XI it went through development hell.
They need to get their act together with XVI and just have a smooth development process.
>>382312091
>I tended to prefer the slight Technical Point gain you receive by executing full string of commands.
This isn't always optimal, if an enemy is launched then you can cancel the queue early so your moves execute faster and you can do much more damage with less ATB.

>>382312016

By a button press leading immediately to every single action/tactic. XIII-1 is more like coaching and you have only access to a third of the actions performed outside of cursor tricks to fool other party members to cooperate, if you have two Commandos.

>>382309571
I got more enjoyment out of Star Ocean: The Last Hope then I got from FFXIII.
And thats saying something, because objectively speaking Last Hope is an even worse game. Its pretty awful in hindsight, but at least it kind of embraces how fucking bad it is and you get scenes that are funny bad or just plain weird.

FFXIII is a bore fest. Unlikeable characters, a plot that fails to engage most people and instead just confuses them right from the start, and a fight system that says "hey I want to be a RPG RTS but I dont know how to get the S and P parts right."

>>382312229
>They need to get their act together with XVI and just have a smooth development process.
Oh i defintely agree on that, when was the last time a mainline title didn't go through dev hell ?

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>>382304770
Get a refund and buy XIII-2 instead

>>382312457
XI, but if you count single player games then it would be X although to their credit they did a miracle with XIV and turned it into one of the best MMOs out there but the initial launch was embarrassingly bad.

>>382312534
Wow, yeah i wish they would've been able to pull out a realm reborn on XV, game's such a shameful waste of potential

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>>382312524
>not owning the trilogy

>>382312656
Yeah there's a lot I like about both XIII and XV but it's pretty easy to tell that somewhere down the line in both game's developments they took a wrong turn and never got back on course.
I remember reading where cutscenes were done for XIII before they even had the story finalized or something to that effect and that the transition to HD for the next gen consoles took a huge tole on development and then we all know the story with XV.
>>382312745
Isn't XIII-2 unplayable on PC?

>>382312524
Team Ninja's Lightning looks so fucking good

>>382312848
Jesus XIII and XV are really textbook examples on bad priorities and allocation of ressources in developpement, i'm gona try to forget all that while waiting for XII remaster to come by

>>382304770
we warned you back in 2009

>>382313081
Even XII took a hit when the director had some sort of issue come up half way through development, you can tell in the game where the story kind of lulls about and just never goes anywhere until the very end.
Obviously nowhere near the extremities that later titles would undergo but it's still there and noticeable.

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>>382312910
I know. The game's combat looks like ass but it might be worth it for her.

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>>382313256
She looks better in XIII-2 itself though.

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>>382312848
XIII-2 runs better than XIII on PC.

>>382313249
Oh sure but i really like XII and i'm looking forward all the improvements, plus it's a pretty fucking comfy game, even though it would've been great to see matsuno's vision fully realized

>>382310341
it looks like he's about to suck her dick

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>>382310130
>her sexwalk

XIII-2 runs well but some people get crashes when saving, be careful with the game and save often you don't want to lose hours of progress because of save issues.

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>>382313554
*blocks your path*