The current state of TF2.

Seriously? You could smash the bottles when I last played (around late 2012).

Shouldn't be surprising. Valve is all about profits now and dumbing down the visuals so people on toasters don't feel lelt out is in line with that business ideology.

Wow why did they remove the bottle breaking?

>>382285667
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1W5DU4zmAA

>>382285534
did they take away the damage bonus?

They probably did it so F2P morons wouldn't think a broken bottle did more damage

>>382285761
People thought the broken bottle had a damage bonus.

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People still play this? I thought any integrity for the game was lost when it went free to play.

>>382285667
>June 18, 2014 Patch (Love & War Update)
>[Undocumented] Bottle no longer breaks upon crit impact.

>>382285761
gave higher crit rate with broken bottle

>>382285672
TF2 runs like shit now though.

>>382285769
>>382285534
what the fuck happened. why they did all these downgrades?

>>382285769
wow they removed pointless details that don't affect gameplay at all.

>>382285534
Tf2 is dead, valve doesn't give a single shit about their games and their customers

I feel like I'm missing something. What could possibly be gained from Valve downgrading a decade old game? They paid someone to go out of their way and downgrade this shit, and I can't see any benefit.

>downgrading a game 10+ years after release
why

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>>382286291

>>382285761
if it wasn't for the reasons others mentioned it could also because a slang term for a broken bottle is a 'nigger knife'

>>382286320
Reduce lag and frame drops.

>>382285761
Because the SJWs don't like the thought of a black man with a nigger knife.

don't give a shit about the graphics when your inventory is worth thousands. Thats what makes tf2 fun.

>>382285534
>tf2 removes all the extra detail and generally optimize the game so shitters with toasters can play
>what the fuck reee why dont I have a broken bottle or medics syringers individually modelled and rotating in his gun reee

/v/ literally complaining there isn't enough cosmetics

>>382286387
Wtf game is this?

>>382286440
That's what settings are for.

>>382286440
that might be a passable reason if it actually happened

>>382285534
Im going to come up with arguments for these.

The reason why they made the bottle not smash is so that new players that bought the item don't assume that its stats have changed.

The reason for animation changes on the guns is to improve performance on older systems.

>>382286320
Because all the hats with particle effects were keeping all the Brazilians with laptops from running the game.

>>382286584
The game ran better in 2007

>>382286584
>/v/ literally complaining there isn't enough cosmetics
The style was taken from the game, a game that ran just fine 10 years ago.

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>mfw this makes the console version the superior one

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>>382286661
wait really?

>>382286586
BF4. The shark's just an easter egg you need a bunch of people to do on 1 map.

>>382286263
because hats (no seriously, all the high poly cosmetics made by amateurs is hogging the engine)

>>382285769
Couldn't believe my eyes when I saw the video, modern Valve has really gone to shit.

>>382286759
yep, the updates have only made the game perform worse

>>382286759
no you are being tricked

>>382286440
With literally zero exaggeration, if you cannot run a fucking decade old game with at least 60 fps, you need to find a different hobby. I would not be surprised if you could get a TI83 to run TF2 at 60 FPS. I understand that BRs are the only people left playing this shell of a game, but you would genuinely need to have a computer from the late 90s to struggle running this fucking game.

>>382286738
>implying the 360 version wasn't always superior because it was vanilla

The game is 10 years old and it is poorly optimized.
It's very likely that they removed small shit like that over the years in an attempt to make the game run better.
There's really not much you can do about that, other than porting it to Source 2 completely or just make a new game.

>>382286738
Awwww yeah old TF2! Time to build sentries OoB outside defenders spawn!

>>382285797
>>382285836
They thought it'd be confusing, and then they give you the option to give Scout universal melee weapons even though he always does less damage.

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>>382286291
They made the game look like trash for the sake of optimization. But then they added green banana hats and the optimization tanked anyway.
Stop sucking that fat jew gabe's dick

>>382286584
Pcbro nigger, PC has the ability to choose between different graphics setting. You don't need to gimp the guy with the good PC because the BR with a PC frrom 2004 wants to play.

who fucking cares about small animations no one will ever see?

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>>382286738
>>382286889
>you can still glitch out of dustbowl 1 and have sky sentries

>i bought that keyboard thing for the 360 controller because i thought i could use it to enter developers console

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>>382285534

>less detail
>runs on more pc's
>more people, in theory, will buy it
you really needed a whole thread for this

>>382287059
Why the fuck did they remove this?

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>>382286387
I actually really enjoy battlefield.

I will always have a heart on for TF2 as someone on /v/ gifted me the game back when /v/ had a great community in 2009ish

>>382286974
fucking capitalist pc resource fags we all need to share and have the same experience even if we have varying pc power.

PC stands for People's Communism

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>>382287085
>buy it
>FTP

It's really mostly minor things, some visual changes or not TF2 is still a good looking game considering it's age. Still fun to dick around in too even if the community is long gone to shit, vaccinator + soldier pair will never get old and will never stop being so absurdly strong.

>>382286964
>They made the game look like trash for the sake of optimization
I still play the game and didn't notice any of those. Doesn't make it good, but saying the game looks like trash because of that is retarded.

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>>382285534
isn't the revolver reload a good change though? now it isn't blocking your entire screen

>>382287085
Your bait is making me angry, good job

>>382287127
I enjoyed BF3 and BF4 a lot. Hated BF1, despite loving the time period.

b-but we have hats now.

>>382287195
fuck is it? never played it tbqh, well, replace buy with play

>>382287134
2009 tf2? You mean furries and lucky star weebs?

>>382286759
Yeah my toaster than ran the game when it came out cant play tf2 anymore

It always bugged me they never made the new revolvers, you know, revolve. Can't believe they'd shit on the original animations that way though.

They got really fucking lazy with later updates, game would be better if a lot of them never hit, like matchmaking.

>>382286586
Battlefield

>>382287226
Agreed.

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STANDING

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>it's a " summer /v/ sucking Crowbait 's dick" episode

>>382287310
To be honest, it's a miracle the game is being supported still, even if it's just by a small team.
It's pretty natural for the support to start dying slowly as games become older. The game is just so good that it keeps going.
That plus the hat economy. :^)

>>382287310
The matchmaking update somehow made matchmaking worse. If you go to a Valve server the teams are always unbalanced even though you can't pick your team anymore, and the teams never autobalance because they ask people to volunteer instead of forcing it.

>>382285769
>Cuckcat
>unironically posting a shill's video as an argument
>muh graphix on a gampleplay focused online game
>how dare they improve optimization

>>382287261
Still better then 2012 tf2 when bronies invaded with their autism

>>382287207
>I never played tf2 in its younger years: the post

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1W8BZPf-N8&

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>expecting video games from valve

>>382287261
>lucky star aired right alongside ttgl
rly mkes u thnk

>>382286759
Yes.

I played it back in 2007, and the game was smooth as butter.

Now it stutters and crashes (albeit rarely).
It likely has a bunch of useless junk clogging up the code or memory, probably all the stupid hats and shitty new weapons they've added.

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When you play pocket medic you do use the vaccinator, right /v/?

as someone who's played tf2 for almost 8 years the bottle is the only one that bothers me

>>382287105
It shows different engine settings pertaining to texture mipmapping, they didn't remove shit.
I wouldn't be surprised if whatever was shown in OP is also some fuckery with settings or dev console.

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ON THE EDGE

>>382285534
>remove graphical details and don't even leave them in ultra settings
>game actually runs worse 10 years later even if you've upgraded your hardware in the mean time

>>382287449
His videos are entertaining, but it's dumb how all he does is point out bad things about games.
All his videos are the same thing.

>>382287524
Bought the game in like 2008 or something.
Never mentioned anything about hats or visual customization in my post.
Stop being autistic.

I sold all my hats and "vintage" shit for steambux and bought some shitty games years ago.

I hope you all did the same.

TF2 is dead.

>>382287568

>meme captain
Or
>how to spot the tryhard autist

>>382287604
They don't let you set mat_picmip to anything below -1 now.

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OF THE CRATER

>>382287467
While their method of monetizing the game was nothing short of detestable, it was still pretty good. But then they started fucking with good systems, aesthetics, and balance because they saw any update at all as a valuable player surge. And they refused to do anything substantial even when there's large backlash because we're supposed to be grateful it's getting "supported" at all.

>>382287718

Vaccinator tryhard? It's just a medigun that's a lot more fun and has a lot more interesting playstyle than all the others, although I will say kritzkrieg on defense on certain maps is also a blast.

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LIKE THE PROPHETS ONCE SAID

>>382287681
> it's dumb how all he does is point out bad things about games.

Someone has to. It's not like "game journalists" will.

So /v/, why was classic TF2 so good?
Was it better than Overwatch?

>>382287687
How many times has tf2 died again?

>>382287737
map_picmip -1 is the same as -10 or -9001

this game was fucking dead like 5 years ago and you stupid cry baby keep sucking the dick of Valve just leave it and move on to other things

>>382287939

It had a pretty enjoyable community the first two or so years of it's life, but even well before F2P the community started to heavily decline for whatever reason.

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>>382287962

>>382287789
Yeah, it was like their guinea pig.
It was much better implemented in Dota, but TF2 is just an older games, so it's gonna suffer from those kinds of things.

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>>382287681
Inbred twat. They made the good looking parts of the game look like trash for the sake of a higher framerate.
Then they added cancerous cosmetic items which tanked the framerate regardless.
People have this weird stockholm syndrome shit when it comes to valve, thinking they can do no wrong.

No excuses valveshitter. None.

>>382285797
So? Just let them believe. Seeing a newbie break their bottle every time they spawn is a charming thing to see.

>>382285761
The real reason is because it's less graphically intensive.

Previously weapons had two models: the v_model and the w_model. The v_model is what shows up on your first person viewmodel, the w_model is what shows up in the world. This means that there are two different models to render for everyone.

In order to make TF2 less graphically intensive they switched to the c_model system. The c_model uses the same weapon model in both first and third person and they also have a lower polycount making them fairly lightweight to render. The less graphically-intensive c_model doesn't support breaking the bottle.

It's the same reason why they capped mat_picmip at -1 as well, basically retards were turning the settings up to max on their toasters and then wondering why TF2 was lagging. All the new hats and hat particle effects didn't help. Valve usually goes with the most retard-proof solution, rather than letting people have the freedom to customize their own experience.

>>382287945
Once. When it went F2P.

>>382288036
you're right, i'll go kill myself painfully now

>>382286847
have you tried recently? Ever since hats the base game has been running worse and worse. A toaster can run old tf2 easily, but I wouldn't be so positive about modern tf2

>>382287945
Once.
I'd say it died after they introduced the trading shit. The Engineer update was the last bit of fun I ever had with the game.

>>382287979
>>382288054
>stop liking what I don't like!
>hate that company like I do!
A lot of people still have fun with the game.
Calm your autism, retards.

>>382288169
What was the update with the Sticky Jumper? Fuck that was fun

>>382285534
>PC can't do what the Xbox did 10 years ago
BREAKING NEWS

>>382287681

There should BE NO BAD THINGS of this nature. There is absolutely 0 fucking reason to downgrade a game that ran at 60 fps on a fucking PS3, the most embarrassingly bad console of all time.

Modern laptops tear TF2 apart. There's 0 fucking reason to downgrade a game this old. It's called incompetence on full display and it should not be tolerated. People like and the others bashing that vid are exactly what is wrong with gaming today, you let these cunts get away with shit that ruins the quality of games.

>>382288184
horsefuckers aren't people

>>382288218
Xbox do what PC don't!

>>382288184
>stop liking what I don't like!

Never said that. Adding in graphical items that destroy the framerate is contrary to removing graphical items that took processing power.
Stop defending cancer, valveshitter. No excuses.

>>382288097
>The less graphically-intensive c_model doesn't support breaking the bottle.
Then why does the Caber still have its broken model?

>>382286614
The source engine was already dated as fuck when TF2 came out in 07. Hell it was already behind the curve when HL2 came out since it was delayed due to leaks. Are there really people playing this using computers older than from 2007?

>>382288097
>Valve usually goes with the most retard-proof solution, rather than letting people have the freedom to customize their own experience.
this is going to be the reason why valve will ultimately fail. it's unfortunate. they've forgotten how they made it to where they are today.

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>>382287524
>most hats/misc are all-class
Is this really it? I haven't played TF2 in eons

PC Gamer's original TF2 review:
>...It's tempting to pussyfoot around with weasel words such as 'among', 'could be' and 'in years', but screw it: Team Fortress 2 is the most beautiful game ever made. I say that as a man who's seen Crysis running on maximum settings, and I'm not kidding or exaggerating or on any more than the usual amount of drugs. Sorry about that, every other videogame artist in the world. This was not your lifetime.
Welp, so much for that.

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>>382286387
Downloading it again, its like dice at its peak.

>>382288226
I don't think you know how game development works, nor do I. There may be reasons for it to happen, I don't know.
The game has been going for 10 years, with different people adding different things.
I'm not defending some of the things they added to it that I don't agree with either, but some of it just come with having a game running for 10 fucking years.

>382288326
Not even a (You), shitposter.

>>382288097
why bother doing this for a game you can run on any 10yo toaster?

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>>382286387
>that guy who starts shooting it

>>382287737
this

You used to be able to set that so that you'd see lossless textures, but some time ago they removed it and even on max settings many weapon texture decals appear pixelated.

>>382288471
I really like your photo, it's uma delicia!

>>382286387

That is... AMAZING!

>>382286584
>>382286964
>>382287484
Gettin real tired of this shitty meme.
The game doesn't run any better than it did back in 2007, hell, I'd argue it runs worse.

>>382288097

Well people ARE retarded.

>>382287939
It was simple. There wasn't a mountain of gimmick trash weapons and you knew what to expect when you saw a certain class. There wasn't a ton of superfluous taunts and trading shit encouraging players to do anything besides playing the game.

>>382287832
>that nailgun

>>382288332
They didn't switch to c_models on every single weapon and the caber actually behaves differently unlike the broken bottle. Broken bottle does not do more damage or have higher crit chance contrary to people ITT mythologizing it. It's purely cosmetic, so you can gain a performance boost by switching to the c_model system. Ullapool Caber actually has different mechanics that require a visual distinction.

why don't they make TF3

>>382289069
why put effort when you can get eternal free money with TF2, Dota, CSGO and Steam?

>>382288097
>Valve usually goes with the most retard-proof solution
checks out, considering they made an area more linear because retard playtesters kept running in a loop and wondering why they're not progressing at all

>>382285534
if not for this video I would have never noticed this and even now, I do not care.

>>382287484
>how dare they improve optimization
You left out "by removing map elements and making stock weapons look shittier for the trade off of muh hats".
How do pcbros still lurk this dreaded place, I thought you fucks died out years ago.

>>382286387
>guy with the mounted gun tried shooting it

>>382285534
If you think this is the worst part about current TF2, then you need to play the game again. It's been years since this change was made, and much worse changes have been made since then.

>>382286584
>generally optimize the game so shitters with toasters can play

This is not a good thing. At least make the extra detail an option.

>>382289321
like what?

>>382285534
This is almost like the MYM update all over again, only this times, it's over MINOR VISUAL CHANGES instead of something that legitimately ruined the game in some way.

>>382289270
>pcbros
lmao
Holy shit.

>>382286387
Well >>382286291 isn't wrong. All these details are minor, I'm sure people who play the game could give less of a shit anyway.

>>382289359
The removal of quick play. Now its more like CS:GO where you need to join a queue to play casual mode. This means that a majority of community servers are now dead because the only way to reach them is through the server browser.

>>382287431
I want anybody to try and defend this atrocity

>>382286847
unoptimized hats and updates have arguably had issues with FPS especially in the last year or two. As old as the engine is, it's not exactly flawless on newer machines.

>>382286759
Think about how many cosmetics they've added, and then everyone wearing them + the potential particles on those hats
Instead of toning down the hat shit they made everything you could look at worse, but everything your opponent could see better

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>remember back in 2009
>third world fag, poor computer (still use it)
>no money to buy TF2
>download it pirate
>didn't have bots at the time
>just used to go hours upon hours listening to dev commentary on the maps
>comfy as fuck travelling on the maps
>simple, yet well done models and animations
>particularly in love with weapons reload animations
>no music, just ambient and gun sounds
>Gabe talking about the game, developers explaining stuff
>My name is Gabe Newell, and my favorite class is the spy
>fuck he said right away the thing that people will wonder the most
>mfw TF2 now

>>382290359
Downloaded it back in 2010. Played hours upon hours. Infinite fun. Stopped in 2012. Returned to it few months ago and I felt sad that my favorite PC game went to shit and I can't chill and play it anymore.

>>382290359
>>My name is Gabe Newell, and my favorite class is the spy
Not anymore it seems

>>382287226
this!

THe f2p update and addition of quickplay was disappointing but the game still has millions of players and is tons of fun. The core mechanics are still there. Many of the new weapons are fun, almost all of them are balanced for competitive play.

Theres WAYYY more maps than there sed to be and they are way better maps than the original ones (2fort, dustbowl LUL).

Custom game modes like surf maps, jump maps, MGE, dodgeball, bunnyhop, parkour mod, etc are a lot of fun and easy to find servers for. These are like entire new games unto themselves.

If you asked me whether I'd prefer to play current day Tf2 or 2007 tf2, I would say current day. The death of community servers is the only real problem, and thats a problem with all multiplayer games these days.

>>382285797
People thought that well before it even went f2p friendo.

Casual mode is a lot better than quickplay and leads to great games of tf2 more often.

I just want to know why they think I wont notice everyone is a fucking bot when i try to do a quick play

>>382285534
>downgrade the game
>it runs even worse

>>382286614
The bottle is a stock item that everyone has and can never lose you dumb shit, quit talking about things you don't have the slightest clue about.

>>382290359
>2009 is almost 10 years ago
aaaaaaaaa

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>>382285534
Didn't they make it so that the bottle breaks when you land a crit on someone?

>>382291078
Quick play doesn't exist anymore, and it's pretty frequent for players to leave when losing in casual mode so they're not bots lol

>>382286847
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gONmbwS2KXg

>>382291257
yeah, nah, this is retarded.

TF2 on the extreme low-end is gated by CPU and RAM.

Forcing Directx8 doesn't do anything, it still requires the same amount of cpu cycles.

t. guy who used to have a Dual-core E2160 back in the day and tried everything to make TF2 play at solid 60fps.

>>382288607
delícia*, branco sem cultura

>>382288471
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxosCXkAaDo

cala boca viado

>>382285839
I still kinda like the game, but if I had to put down points that killed the games integrity, it would be when they added quickplay, and then later when they replaced it with matchmaking. Though the day of the matchmaking update was actually amazing, because matchmaking was broken and all the community servers filled for a brief amazing moment.

>>382285534

Tfw the last TF I played was the TF Classic mod back in the day before they started to develop it as a semi-serious millitary shooter which got canned and then turned in this shitshow

>>382292014
well matchmaking is better than quickplay but still a lot worse than community severs.

Overall I think tf2 is in a good spot right now, hopefully the upcoming pyro update fixes a few things.

>>382288696
it doesnt matter if you are using the hs or stock as sniper. If I am a better player than you, I will kill you

I never understood this argument

>>382288054
What the fuck is that picture.

>>382285836
I keep seeing this being repeated. Is there an actual source for them removing it for this reason? There is way more convoluted shit in the game.

>>382291193
aaaaaaaaa

>>382292150
quickplay didnt work half the time for me, so I agree fully. but because of that it was another nail in the coffin for community servers, which I desperately miss. but all in all, I think the games still good, and I'm excited for the pyro update.

>>382291078
>be able to actually read
>enable clicking on scoreboard
>open profiles because I genuinely wonder if players are bots
>they have games with hundreds of hours one being tf2
>theyre just really bad
Who wouldve thunk

>>382288696
You can use a console command to disable cosmetics and stock is designed to be the best choice in the game.

If someone is wrecking you with a Huo Long Heater.

You just fucking suck. This post reminds me of my bitter lonely professor so much.

>>382291164
only a virgin gets triggered this badly about a video game item

>>382286614
>>382286614
>The reason why they made the bottle not smash is so that new players that bought the item don't assume that its stats have changed.
Why do people talk about games they have never played before
>The reason for animation changes on the guns is to improve performance on older systems.
Dev preference. you can just download the old animations. Noone is running a shit box pre 2007 otherwise they have the polygon per model to 32 or some shit.

>>382285769
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ih323XXu_3w
>literally just a footage of a mod he didn't made
>content
CrowbCat is cancer, all he does is make shitty videos with a little bit of editing, and feed on the hate people like /v/ users have against videogames.

He has some good videos and that's it.

>>382287519
Because weebs and furries are so much less autistic.

>>382287431
WHOO BUMPA CARS

Valve should just make something like a legacy servers. Let the community decide what year it would be based off of and then create servers that only run games that have patches up until that point. So if 2014 is picked, only patches up until 2014 would be implemented.

>>382293025

I really doubt it would take off, reminds me of in my old clan when we tried to do a vanilla TF2 server and it never really got off the ground, but that was like 5 years ago or so.

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>>382286738
>Still play it every now and again

The load times are fucking disgusting but if that's what it takes to play the infinitely superior vanilla version then I'll do that.

>>382292524
>console command to disable cosmetics

Don't you need a mod

Just give me TF3 without all the hats. There are so many small thing with Overwatch that just makes me angry when I play.

>>382286779
i didn't even think about this. wow i fucking hate valve.

>>382285534
Why would they deliberately downgrade it after 10 years?

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>>382293767
Gotta make room for those cosmetics and shitty PCs.

>>382292780
He does however actually provide sources for all of the content in his videos, which is an increasingly rare practice.
This TF2 video was all his own production, though.

>>382292528
and only a retard makes a post like that.

>>382286889
is it still active?

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>>382289693
>This means that a majority of community servers are now dead because the only way to reach them is through the server browser.
You mean like how the game worked for years? I haven't played it since shortly after the MvM update and I never used anything other than the server browser.

>>382293348

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a5S_Lb42bI

I don't know, it doesn't look like it performs to well and honestly some of the early patches were good in terms of balance and other things.

>>382293604
Overwatch is basically TF3 though

>>382293767
Truth is, Valve HQ was flooded shortly after the Medic update. Their basement offices were the ones focussed on TF2. They lost every server in that flooded basement, and lost the source code. They needed to keep expanding the game, but they only had a beta build kicking around. They rebuilt the gameplay content they lost but never got around to, or couldn't replicate, the graphical fidelity they had before.

TF2 is what happens when you bake a large delicious cake, drill a hole in the center, scoop out all of the meat from the inside, and then fill the hollow shell with nothing but frosting and sprinkles
it's really a tragic tale

Why the fuck was this removed I remember it being mildly entertaining to see when I had the orange box on Xbox

>>382294059
I never said it was perfect, it's just better than the version we have now.

>>382294012
>>382289693
Quikplay was cancer, it killed community servers.

Removing has improved the official pubs 100 times over

They need to get community servers back alive though. Not sure how to achieve that, maybe doing some sort of server of day kind of system where they make it visible on the home screen.

>>382294187
The core game is still there. In fact its better because it has way more maps, maps that are better than the stock ones.

Competitive tf2 is still good too.

WHat is the "meat" in this analogy?

>>382294187
yeah, new tf2 is like a shitty cake made out of fondant
edible but not palatable at all

>>382294090
It's not.

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Did anyone else play the vs saxton hale mode, it was my favourite mode to play. Running around as demopan was fun

>>382285534
>game chooses function over minor cosmetic effects

This isn't bad. TF2 is a free to play game on PC, it's important for it to run well even on toasters. Removing these worthless visual flairs is a good step towards that.

>>382294571
STOUT

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>remember listening to this when it came out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYBZrRCCrXE

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>>382294686
>This nostalgia
Anon, please....

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>>382286387
>that guy who starts shooting at it

>>382286387
>that water
>that water transparency
>those swim animations
loving every laugh

>>382286291
Why even play PC games?

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>>382294686
>going on a random server and hearing this abomination getting micspammed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgUbRpdUN1w
TF2 was always shit, but it was a good kind of shit.

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>>382294119
>googled it
nothing
>yahood it
nothing
>binged it
and nothing.
Can you provide a source sir?

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>>382294686
fuck

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>>382294686
>>382294898
VALVE YOU SCUM SUCKING PIECES OF SHITS

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>382294686

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>>382291816
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afgByrFRSvY

can you guys stop posting videos of black people?

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>>382294898
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HjLN1TA3bc

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>>382295332
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEni4V35Vks

>>382294901
My stepfather works at Valve, he gives me free merch all the time. You know Valve, they're incredibly secretive about what goes on in there.
My dad won't even tell me what's going on with HL3.

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>>382295405
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InDffxsA_OE

>>382295483
Kek'd.

>>382295483
I forgot this one existed, really well done

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>>382295458
>My family member works at this major company
Every time.

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Remember me?

>>382294235

Maybe I've just played TF2 too long, but while there are definitely shitty changes here and there, for the most part, at least for the classes I play, I like certain weapons and certain changes. If anything really sucks about modern TF2 it's the community.

>>382295687
Community for most games are terrible, that's nothing new. I've tried coming back to the game a few times but it's just tries too hard to be an Esports game, it's lost any sense of individuality to me.

TF2 is better than ever if you actually play it and don't just read about it.

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>>382287681
>all he does is point out bad things about games.

That's all you have to do. You really want him offering solutions? He doesn't work in the fucking industry so it doesn't matter what he thinks. Plus his videos mean I don't have to listen to some whiny faggot for 10 minutes.

>>382285534
Those details won't even be noticed in the frantic gameplay and it probably helps in performance. Stop making a mountain out of an anthill.

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>>382294686
Post jammin' TF2 music videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HjLN1TA3bc

>>382295843

Maybe it's because I play with a friend, but I've been playing TF2 since around 2008 and even with all the changes and all that I still enjoy the fuck out of the game. I've really pretty much used the same loadout for 5 or 6 years and my friend uses the basic soldier loadout save for the escape plan or sometimes gunboats. It does play differently, but not drastically differently especially if you're using stock loadout, which most of the time is still one of the better or best loadouts.

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>>382286263
>>382286320

Don't listen to anyone else, they don't know what they're talking about.

The main reason for most of these changes is Valve changing from their w_models to c_models, and some old details breaking as a result.

It was not intentional.

Haha I love cuckbcat too he's epic

>>382296037
best tf2 song right here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciPu4DnKBuM

>>382288097
>The c_model uses the same weapon model in both first and third person and they also have a lower polycount making them fairly lightweight to render. The less graphically-intensive c_model doesn't support breaking the bottle.
That explains why viewmodels heavily changed after Gun Mettle, such as the minigun having a much shorter barrel.

>>382296193
We're just two different people, Anon. Have different perspectives on it due to our personalities, it's fine if you still enjoy it, I just don't.

>>382296037
Oh shit, that was posted
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tHUPv7SYdQ

Some classics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bpnEpeEaak
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdZE59eJdEw

>>382285761
retards thought it improved the damage

>>382285534


Gotta preserve that framerate when you have rare hats floating around lmao

>>382294059
There are any ps360 servers that are still active?
Because I need to play that.

>>382294059
>Ps3
iirc the 360 version ran fine. Granted it's been almost a decade since I last played it, but I don't remember any issues.

>>382286263
Gun Mettle back in like 2015, but as far as graphical downgrades they only actually pertain to first person models because they changed how weapons are rendered in the game.

>>382296310

Yeah don't get me wrong, I can completely understand it, cosmetics and all the trading shit were a mistake, some weapons are kind of dumb. There's just something about TF2 that no matter what shit they do it's a game me and my friend come back to without fail every so often and play, we just started playing it again after a year just recently and it's always hilarious how it always plays out the same, first day back and people are already bitching and calling us hackers.

Every update has been worse than the last.
like I honestly was surprised how bad meet your match was, and I thought they couldn't make the game worse.

but holy fuck those balance changes.

>heavy now arrives at point 1 second faster with GRU than normal fists
>YERs "buff" is them cutting the cloak time in half but making it charge just as long
>Panic attack is now a worse FaN
>litterally every single nerf that was implemented because its OP in Comp

Balance changes used to be fun, you used to look forward to shitty weapons being viable finally. Instead we get like 2 joke weapons being buffed and the rest are nerfed.

AND WE HAVE TO WAIT A FUCKING YEAR BEFORE ANYTHING GAME BREAKINGLY BAD IS REVERTED

LIKE THE BISON

So we can expect this shit to be reposted ad nauseam for the next couple months?

>>382286964
I'd rather play a well optimized game that looks trash then a good looking game that runs trash

>>382288556
>>382289280
>>382294809
pretty good reaction time

>>382286759
You can make that argument in absolutes but you need to keep in mind that what's considered a toaster today wouldn't necessarily be called one ten years back.

Am I insane for wanting a proper singleplayer mode? It doesn't even need to be a full-fledged campaign, but just something more rich to do than playing matches with bots.

>>382287529
I seriously can't imagine what this is like for actual valve fans.

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DOES ANYONE HAVE A LINK TO THE VIDEO OF A DEMOMAN GETTING UBERED ON THE LAST POINT ON BADLANDS AND HE MISSES EVERY KILL THEN ENDS UP CAPPING AND WINNING ANYWAY

>>382287859
Gloopyglop died. Just stop.

>>382285769
>character falls and grunts in a totally different, generic voice
>complains when this is removed
This guy needs to learn to pick battles

>>382292150
Unless they've significantly improved matchmaking, it's much much worse than quickplay for casual TF2.

>>382296959
sick pwnage frags

>>382297012
All he did was post the before and after. What you take away from it is of your own conclusions, fool.

>>382297012

He's not necessarily showing it as a bad thing, he's just comparing then and now.

>>382297103
>>382297116
>spends 20 seconds trying to pick up a weapon for ammo when he knows full well they removed that so people can pick up weapons
>"he's not saying it's worse"
shoo shills

>>382287431
new tf2 sucks but I remember fucking HATING navigating my inventory back then. Melting scrap was more of a chore then than it is now, for one.

>>382287832
You know what's funny is that even with all these stupid ass cosmetics and unusual effects you can slap on a character, you can still make out which class that character is supposed to be at first glance. Even the Fat Engie stuff you can put it all on and be like "yeah that's the engineer alright".

>game is broken beyond belief in terms of balance, matchmaking, performance, and an overabundance of cosmetics
>crowbcat makes video nitpicking very minor visual tweaks

If he was going to make a video about what tf2 became, why would he focus on the smallest possible things? There is so much more you could complain about.

>>382297228
>putting words in a complete stranger's mouth
I think you're letting your insecurities do a little too much typing here, fool

>>382297501
>he's too autistic to understand a person's nonverbal messages
It's ok anon. We accept your kind

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>>382287484

>shill's video

Who the fuck is he shilling for? Valve? Is he trying to sell TF2 to the gaming public as an artistic exercise in capturing the quintessence of entropy via slowly deteriorating the game over the course of a decade? God you people are fucking retarded.

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>>382285534
I wish I could live through 1997-2007 again

>>382287431
>"look at me guys! LOOK AT MEEE!!"

This kind of people don't even play anymore, they just parade around in their flashy cosmetics.

>>382297679
Anyone who makes Youtube videos is a shill.

>>382294686
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHXQhCPCk2Q

>>382292883
i miss the mercs series

>>382297887
this is the only good one

>>382285672
And they cant even get that right.

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>>382287195
>He doesn't have The Orange Box

>>382297102
THANK YOU

>>382298169
your welvome

>>382297679

It's not like shills ONLY promote products, they attack competitors products as well.

>>382294686
>some chucklefuck starts spamming it
Wasnt even mad.

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>TF2 was nonfree for under 4 years
>TF2 has been free for 6 years

>>382294090
It's TF3 but with most of the worst parts of TF2 amped up and the best parts cut out. Not the sequel we wanted.

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>>382285534
>retards try to justify that the change from v_models and w_models to c_models were because it wasn't as graphics intensive
>tf2 runs like shit still, meaning the changes have no effects on optimization
>ledditors argument against crowbcat's video is that no one was ever talking about how graphics are in tf2

>>382294686
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhrdIhh-mh0
Jesus christ watching this again with a different perspective is such a trip

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>>382298162
>don't read the post I was replying to
>don't understand the context of my post
>reply anyway
Are you retarded anon?

>>382298568

>Tf2 is ten years old
>The best part of it is the comic, which came years later, because the game had no story and explicitly set out not to have one
>The best part of a 10 year old game with no need for a story is the story

really makes ya think

>>382298673
>>tf2 runs like shit still, meaning the changes have no effects on optimization
the change keeps it from running even worse

>>382298673
people are trying to justify changes for TF2?
Who are these people and why?

>>382292280
well they did have it as a tip at the bottom during loading screens but retards constantly still asked the question anyways. Only speculation.

>>382294119
>lying on the internet
Bellevue doesn't flood, and at the time they only had the third and fourth floor and I think a closet and conference room on the fifth floor.

Post the best G-mod videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqyjOc3EpT4

>10 years ago
>enthralled by the game's artstyle and gameplay
>nowadays
>children with atrocious cosmetics screaming in their mics

At least I got to experience the game in its earliest form.
I hated the first hat update because I thought it'd ruin the game's aesthetic. I wasn't wrong.

>>382298827
>the change keeps it from running even worse
it runs worse already since all the fucking bullshit they've added to the game you fucking retard, the guise that these changes keep it from running any worse is wrong
>>382298841
>Who are these people and why?
retards, reddit

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>eveyone complains about in game performance
>remove mundane things that hinder performance
>cry about it

>>382285534
I don't remember tf2 being that shiny and nice, especially the medics gun but then again I had a toaster in 2007

>>382298673
it removed over 2 gbs of data from the fucking game and improved stability when they did it. the only reason it's justified is because you can still turn it back on i fucking hate you fucking idiots

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>still no way to properly disable cosmetics

>>382296336
I loved this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqikLf5uv4o

>>382298928
You fucking utter idiot
No shit the game runs bad, everyone fucking knows it. I'm not defending it. I'm attacking your retarded fucking post. Yeah, the game runs bad, but it can be worse, and would be worse if they kept the v_ and w_ models. The game running is not a binary system of "good" or "bad"
The c_ models technically do make the game run slightly better.

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>>382285534
>playing tf2 in current year

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>>382294686
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52-HWhvAMm4
JUST
>still don't know what the fuck DoctorChub's intro song is
>>382299097
>and would be worse if they kept the v_ and w_ models
No, anon, no. Stop posting

>>382297012
>complains

>>382286291
they should just remove the textures and models as well, make everything a grey rectangle, you don't need that shit for gameplay

>>382299232
Explain how it wouldn't. How would using 2 models instead of one not logically make the game run worse?

>>382299005
>you can still turn it back on
no you can't

>>382298673
Do you think they change shit for no reason?

>>382299232
Sounds like the TF2 jingle as a techno mix

>>382296830

A computer that would be considered a toaster today (ie a modern low-to-mid-range CPU with integrated GPU) actually probably would be at least on par with a mid-to-high-end 2007 machine.

In general it's really fucking weird for a game that gets updated on a regular basis over the course of a decade or more to go *backwards* in terms of graphical quality- if anything even games that try to scale down to toasters (ie WoW) move up the minimum requirements on a regular basis and add fancier effects/more detailed models and animations/etc.

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>>382299338
Here, let's see.
We've got a load of cosmetic items attached to players at all times. Many of these items that are still being added to the game do not have LODs for them. Yes, let's change the perfectly good looking view and world models and add more models to the game instead of properly optimizing the game. Not only that, source engine still relies on CPU and RAM usage as opposed to making the most use out of the graphics card the user has in their machine. Should we keep dumbing down things that don't need changing to keep it from """"running worse""""?

>>382298673
>tf2 runs like shit still
What kind of toaster do you have? My laptop gets 300 FPS in it.

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>they removed the features so the game would run better
>but the game runs like shit now
Well no shit, with all the unoptimized shit theyve got on it now of course its not going to run like it did back in hatless, usual-less 2007. And if they put that shit back in? Itd run ever worse than it already does
Not to mention they have to keep that shit working for fucking Macs, and yet no one seems to remember that either.

That video is just Valve-hate bait. I miss my broken bottle, but if you think that Crowbcat or anyone that posts this here is doing it out of any other reason that for an excuse to endlessly bitch about Valve, whether they deserve it or not, is just disingenuous

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>>382299005
>You can still turn it back on,
Tell me now how to do it and I will do.
Because using the textures is avaible only by cheats codes now, the light effects are gone, all the old animations unselectable and freaking the feeling of game being "heavier" with more natural movement is simply gone from the actual client.
So tell me how?

>>382299424
>no reason
it was done to facilitate the implementation of the cruddy csgo skins

>>382299567
You are not even arguing about the same thing as me. I'm just saying that, even if it's just by a teeny tiny bit, using 1 model instead of 2 will make the game run better, even if it's not noticeable.

>>382299671

>>382299671

YES!!!!

>>382299635
I'm only going off what others say as far as how TF2 runs, because it's apparent that the average TF2 player uses an actual toaster to play. I have no problems with running TF2 in its current state
>>382299671
Don't reply to me ever again unless you're contributing to the thread
>>382299701
>make the game run better
>not noticeable

>>382288526
because somewhere out there, people are still using easy-bake ovens, and Valve wants their shekels too

>>382286567
>wasting money is fun
you do you bud

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>>382299671

>>382299352
>what is modding the game

>>382299850
>>what is modding the game
>what is sv_pure

>>382285534
No one cares, crowbcat

>>382299879
>what are community servers

>>382286567
you should have cashed out years ago you moron

>>382298748
fuck you

>>382298484
Except current tf2 is shit and deserves it's attacks.

>>382286567
How much would it have been worth 10 years ago, tens of thousands?

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>>382299671
Fuckin A

>>382299948
>>community servers
sorry I don't like to play on Bronypony 24/7 Ponyville :3

>want to install a no hats mod so the game runs better and I don't have to see rainbow vomit scouts
>like seeing my own cosmetics too much
end my life

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUpktNdcxqM
>tfw I couldn't get on this server after they banned a huge range of steamIDs associated with internet cafe's and mine fell in it

>>382300083
how about habbo hotel

>>382300083
yeah you'd rather play 24/7 2fort or hightower

>>382300143
>harbl hotel
don't make the memories come back anon, it'll never happen again
>>382300163
>24/7 2fort or hightower
kill yourself

>>382300083
>he doesn't enjoy a healthy mixture of the orange_x maps

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>F2P was the beginning of the end
>noticeable drop in common sense
>continue to butcher weapons for the sake of competitive
>cheap out on creating content and just grab user made shit
>community servers are dying and Meet Your Match is garbage
>game should've died 4 years ago
>it won't because shit heads keep buying $99.99 virtual rings and weapon skins to this very day
>mfw we possibly could've had TF3 by now and started from scratch

>>382293994
yes

>>382300196
how about mario kart

>>382300206
>orange maps
I can actually run the game, anon
>>382300227
delete this

>>382300163
>match ends
>hightower is one of the options for next map
>server is now 24/7 hightower

>>382296295
Yep exactly.

>July 2, 2015 Patch (Gun Mettle Update)
>Minigun damage penalty on Level 2 and Level 3 Sentry Guns slightly decreased. Level 2 Sentry resistance changed from 20% to 15% and Level 3 changed from 33% to 20%.
>[Undocumented] Updated model to c_model system.

>>382288097

It doesn't excuse them breaking tons of the animations. It's pure laziness on their part, they just could not be bothered to update the c_models to have properly rigged mechanisms for the original animations. There's not a single feature present in the original animations that couldn't be added to the c_model system. Since the animation sequence names are totally different between first and third person, you could animate the view model however you wanted without impacting the world animations.

For example soldiers rockets could simply hide inside the rocket launcher in the world animations and then it could be shown normally in the view animations. But nooo instead they just fucking remove the rocket model altogether. They could have even just bodygrouped it and told the sequence to switch on the bodygroup only on certain frames. They've even used that technique before.

They just don't give a shit about the game, as long as the Mann co store is up and running everything is good to go

>>382300196
i've caught you red handed dick for brains

>>382294187
>a large delicious cake
>all of the meat from the inside
?????

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i'm so sad. i want to go back.

>>382300331
I don't play 24/7 bullshit like you do

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>>382288471
>never play 2142
truly a shame youngbucks won't experience it

>>382288097
I suspect they are trying to kill it on purpose. The community server system sucks and it used to be good, the graphics are noticeably bad (bleached) now.

Valve hasn't got anything to replace it with yet, its possible different parts of the company are on different maps. There might have been a transition strategy to something once, but transition to what?

>DOTA 2 was introduced 2011

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>can't see sprays on official servers

for what purpose

>>382300381
All I ever wanted out of life was bots for Titan mode so I could play with my friends.

>>382300278
this just happened to me about 2 hours ago 7 matches of hightower. finally enough people left and we moved on

>>382300450
Next update ads purchasable sprays. Just wait for it.

>>382300497
I'm amazed 7 matches of hightower were finished in 2 hours.