I'm not the villain of this story.

>>382282283
It doesn't matter. Next time you meet, that angry dude is going to tear off your robot head and shove it up your robot ass.

>>382282812
Cyborg*

>>382282283
Bethesda is

>>382282283
Well you know what they say!
The road to hell is paved with good intentions!

Rip and tear till its all done

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Hayden did nothing wrong.

If he didn't use hell as an energy source humanity would be fucked, yeah it went wrong but if they didn't even try they would've been fucked anyways.

It was a desperate last resort that had to be tried.

>>382282812
this, it doesn't matter at all, Sam seems to think that Doomguy runs on a narrative or has some sort of conscience or something human to appeal to, he does not, and Sam will die

>>382282829
had his mind uploaded to a machine, a human brainwave but no organics.

>>382282829
No, I'm fairly certain there is nothing organic in Hayden at this point.

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>both pic related and Sam Hayden sound like Peter Cullen
what did they mean by this?

>>382282982
it doesn't matter, morality and reasoning mean nothing to the Doom Marine.

Sam could be absolutely right and it means nothing, he will be destroyed.

Doombuddy is reasonable,
he also wouldn't be able to do what he did without Sam's help

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>>382282283

>>382283003
You faggots should read character bios besides the first entry. He has some weird stem cell liquid that keeps what little is left of his brain from aging inside that shell.

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>>382283246

>>382283072
>>382282986
>>382282812

Doomguy saved vegas

The big mistake here was having the Mars installations manned by human beings. Just have machines and AIs handling the whole Argent extraction and processing thing instead of humans susceptible to corruption.

>>382283453
I hope VEGA helps Doomguy navigate back to the human world.
With VEGA assisting the Doomguy, DOOM2 will be like Ocarina of Time just with more murder.

>>382283453
didn't say he was Mindless, he clearly has empathy.

he just doesn't care about reasoning or the morals of "why" someone did the one thing Doomguy is against, "fucking with Demons".

>>382283528
the Demons can interact with machines meaning they could, in theory corrupt an A.I.

>>382282283

I mean, he kind of is.

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>>382282283
i like that robot

>>382282982

>open a literal portal to hell
>b-but guys, he dindu nuffin

>>382284083
>the Demons can interact with machines
They can't. Whatever they did on Argent D'Nur to use it as a dimensional gate to other worlds was more like sorcery than actual science, and the technology-based demons like the Revenant or the Mancubus were just the product of UAC's human researchers playing mad scientist.

>>382282283
Without argent energy, things will be worse.

>>382284303
Same risk as using nuclear energy. Just instead of giant cockroaches you get firewall-throwing abominations.

>>382282283
So Doom Slayer IS in fact the original Doomguy, right?

>>382284303
nothing ventured, nothing gained

It's perfectly safe technology - didn't you read the pamphlet?

>>382284303
Open a portal to hell and maybe it goes well or do nothing and let humanity die for sure, those were his options.

>villain in this story
>literally says "I'm not the villain of this story"

A bit on the nose. I'm pretty sure that qualifies as breaking the 4th wall

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>>382282283
This dude was voiced by the same guy who voices Reinhardt.

He sounds fucking cool as hell, that helps explain it. Way better voice acting than what he did on Reinhardt.

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>>382283012
I love sexy robot voices.

>>382284083
>didn't say he was mindless
>morality and reasoning mean nothing to the Doom Marine.
That's basically mindless.

>>382285552
He just has a higher cause
HATE DEMONS

DOOM's story fucking sucked and I really have no idea why people are saying it's a brilliant example of video game writing. Oh shit, you mean to tell me Doomguy is angry and only cares about killing things? You mean that character element that was explained in 1 image on the cover of the original Doom?

>>382286131
Too deep for you?

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>>382286131
You literally don't need any story in the game. The writing is so inconsequential to the actual premise of the game, the main character actively shuns it and decides no, fuck this, I'm gonna kill demons. That's why people have fun with enjoying it. Because it -is- DOOM where nothing is supposed to really matter outside of killing demons. So they made it about that by adding a story only for the character to tell the story to fuck off 'cause he wants to kill the demons.

Then when you actually wanna look at the lore and the characters, if you so decide, it's actually pretty damn interesting the and the lore of the world is sick as fuck. To each their own.

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>>382286131

People were praising DOOM for great storytelling? Most I heard is how it forgoes story for pure action.

The story is there, but it's plays second fiddle to the action. It's essentially an 80s action flick.

So who the fuck was the voice telling me to rip & tear at the start?

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>>382283246
>MUH REDDIT
We cultural enrich 4chan. 4chan would have 1/10th it's current users if not for us, and they'd all be 30+ year old weeb virgins.

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>>382282892
Hehehe

>>382282283
he can't keep getting away with it!

>>382282982
>>382284303
The thing all these anons are forgetting is that Hayden didn't JUST tunnel into hell to steal it's energy.

He tunneled into hell to steal it's energy, built a highly cult-like company beneath him, routinely sent men to die in hell, and held exclusive control of Argent energy and all information about it in order to hold the world hostage due to it's dependency. He basically became the new OPEC.

He rationalizes this to himself that only he is intelligent and strong willed enough to handle Argent and the truth, but the reality is he's an egomaniac with no value for any life beyond his own, which he rationalizes with 'muh bigger picture'.

I know Doom isn't a very story focused series, but is the new Doom a fresh start that isn't technically in the same universe as the older Doom games? Or is it Doom 4 without the 4 in the title?

>>382283246
Story in games is like story in porn. It's expected to be there, but it's not that important.

>>382287550
It adopts the multiversal approach. You play the same Doom Guy from all the Doom Games, who is apparently an interdimensional murder traveller who goes around fightan the demons wherever they are. I forget which games are actually included in canon.

>>382282283
I really hope there's a teaser for a new Doom in the next Wolfenstein. Doom was easily the most fun I've had with any game in a long long time. But I'm not sure how it'd happen. You'd either have to stay in hell or take a Hell on Earth approach like the original sequel.

>>382282283
I agree

>>382282986
>all these people suddenly pretending there's a lore surrounding doom guy.


When did this occur? There is no narrative to his character as a throw back to games 25 years ago where it was just like "you fight demons on mars and you're a marine kgo." This rip and tear shit is too forced.

>>382285187
Modulation also does wonders to a voice. A completely average sounding guy can sound pretty cool when his voice is run through a couple of filters.

>>382282982
I would've understood if this was their first time using it and then abandoning the project but nooo, let's just research it again and lock up the only guy that can stop something like this and use him in case something goes wrong again.
Fuck Hayden

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oh shit sam hayden is actually Sam Hyde.

>>382287550

It's mentioned quite a bit that current Doomguy is a superbeing that's been a live for thousands of years and been killing demons across multiple planes through time and space.

So probably across multiple earths, UACs, and mars.

Most likely the "Doom Slayer" is in fact the original Doomguy since it matches up. He's just in a new universe where this earth is once again fucking up by having UAC do stupid shit on MARS involving hell. However at this point, Doomguy is so experienced and ANGRY that he hell is afraid of him.

>>382288620

He actually did have a back story. He even had a pet rabbit.

>>382288851
Sam Hayden
S ayden
Satan

>>382288792

To me fair this is a different universe and a different UAC. Doomguy's earth already did this shit, but not Hayden's.

>>382288851
>>382289005

HE CANT KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT

>>382289005
he can't keep getting away with this

>>382289009
That's why the part where Hayden gets upset at him breaking his shit is kind of funny to me. 'You have no idea what you're doing!'

No, he's seen this shit before. And Argent is actually made from his destroyed world so that wasn't just him being his usual self.

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So why hasn't Satan or any biblical angel appear in any of the games yet?
>game is about hell
>it doesn't have Satan

>>382289000
His rabbits name was NIGGER. Don't know how that got slipped in.

>>382289310
>>382289005

>>382289310
I think that was supposed to be him at the end of Doom II. It's kind of hard to be sure since it's officially the Icon of Sin. Still, it was the biggest and baddest demon and was creating them through a hole in its skull, so I'd have to figure it's at least his stand in.

>>382289310
Because that's gay

Techno Crusaders being sorts of angels is cooler and more 90's like

>>382289310
Lucifer is the unnamed "Betrayer" that helped the Doomslayer.

>>382289428

Close, but no. It was Daisy.

>>382289464
Not sure why Lucifer would help. Could I get a quick rundown on that?

>>382289590
I bet it was for the lulz. He's a demon after all, he's not really supposed to give a fuck about anything

>>382289590
Hell is his punishment as well. Of course he would help the Doomslayer fuck it up, if only to spite the big man.

>>382289310
Doesn't necessarily have to be the Christian afterlife.

Could very well be any 'underworld'

>>382282982
>If he didn't use hell as an energy source humanity would be fucked, yeah it went wrong but if they didn't even try they would've been fucked anyways.
it's a morality tale of making a deal with the devil - literally. how contrarian and bored are you

>>382289590
It never says Lucifer, but it does say there was an unnamed demon (unnamed because his betrayal pissed them off so much they erased it and call him The Wretch) who made the Doom Slayer's armor.

>>382283528
at some fucking point humans would be involved and you goddamn well know the demons would bend their entire focus on getting to that weak spot.

Also if Mars was entirely inhabited by robots just like real life :^) whats to stop any mad cultists from voyaging to Mars and fuckin shit up opening the portal wide anyway

>>382289680
It seems that would definitely backfire. If Doomguy ever saw Satan I feel he'd either be in an eternal struggle locked in combat as hate fuelled equals or he'd take him down easily.

>>382289734
I'd like to see a game where Doomguy works with a demon to get out of hell

>>382289464
>>382289734

There are actually two traitors. The Betrayer sold out the Night Sentinels and got Argent D'Nur absorbed into Hell, leading to them getting argent energy.

The Wretch betrayed the demons and made the Doom Slayer's armor.

>>382284805
Yep.

>>382285181
What? He isn't the villain or even a secondary antagonist. Olivia is the villain.

>>382288084
Much like porn, a good story can elevate a game beyond just action on a screen.

>>382289884
>l he'd either be in an eternal struggle locked in combat as hate fuelled equals
That's the story of doom though. However instead of just a solitary demon its all of them.

>>382288624
Compare
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oyC66cMLv8
to
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RF4MJtvyPYY

>>382290072
I like how she got taken care of because Doom Slayer gets shit done. Alternatively, imagine if the fucking pre credits twist was her turning into the final boss... then teleporting away and then it's just Hayden saying 'we've got a problem now'

>>382290072
Is that why he is compared to Hitler/Stalin throughout the game? He obviously isn't a good guy if you didn't get the hint from those comparisons.

>>382282283

Technically, he's not wrong.

Satan (or the Icon of Sin, or the Maledict, or whatever the big boss of Hell is now) is the villain; Hayden's just a puppet that can't even see his own strings.

>>382282986
>>382283003
you must have missed one of the logs on him. it specifically states that he has some of his brain matter in him being kept young by stemcell superscience.

cyborg.

>>382290228
I don't know what the fuck you're on about but in Doom 2016's story Hayden is not the villain or even an antagonist.

>>382290228
I want the sequel to feature his downfall. Not just him going bad, but to have him mirror the demon's reaction as he realizes there is literally nothing he can do to slow down the Unchained Predator that now has his sights set on him.

>>382290272
Reading is for fucking nerds, I'd rather smoke weed and stomp on some fuckin demons.

>>382289310
It's an alternate dimension named Hell. It's isn't actually the Biblical Hell because Biblical Hell is the willful separation of the soul from the light of God, and that any suffering beyond that is self-inflicted. References are few and far between, usually in passing, and there is no direct description offered of what it is like, where it is, or who goes there.

>Purely artificial AI powered by the energies of Hell itself sacrifices itself without hesitation to save Humanity from Hell
>Cyborg whose only organic part left is his Frontal Lobe so he can maintain his empathy and Humanity actually succumbs to Hell's corruption

It's like poetry.

>>382290369
(You)

>>382290384
Might be cool, but he is already a bad guy after he fucked with the Doom Marine.

>>382290369
But he is the cause of the problems because he was researching the argent energy.

>>382290384
>>382290452

Also the cycle of betrayal continues - Hayden could very well think he HAS stopped the Doom from being able to get to him, only for VEGA to turn on him and him to have never foreseen that the Doom Slayer would be kind enough to back him up.

>>382290507
That doesn't make him an antagonist! These are narrative terms with concrete definitions. The fuck is wrong with you people.

>>382288361
>I forget which games are actually included in canon.
All of them excepting the RPG games.
That includes Quake 3 btw.

>>382290159
I was more referring to a hypothetical where it'd be the actual devil incarnate. But I'm assuming there's not one in universe or that he takes the form of the demon army.

>>382290559
Then in a twist of fate it turns out VEGA was corrupted and was Satan the whole time.

>>382290574
He's not a good person anyway. He may think he's doing the right thing but not really.

Sam Hayden was by no means a good guy. But he was much better than Olivia. Also, I assumed that a lot of their research and use of hell energy relied on a human ingredient. All of those rituals that Olivia had going on had probably been broken down into a science. Sacrifice X number of dudes with Y of red candles and get Z of Demons.

DOOM was the most fun I have had with a video game in a long time. I desperately want more, I desperately want to rip the brain out of Hayden's robo head.

>>382290574

Did you finish the game? Hayden steals the crucible from you and heads off to start shit back up. He's clearly an antagonist.

>>382290639
VIOS, the plot of Doom II RPG. Was a nice mobile game.

>>382290641
He's making the wrong choices for the right reasons. Humanity is facing an energy crisis and this was probably a last resort.

>>382290628
Since Doomguy is stuck in an eternal journey through multi-verses kicking the SHIT out of every Hell then going to the next, there's a 100% probability one Hell has/had a Satan and he has/will kick(ed) Satan right in his fucking evil cock.

God I love the devs for shoe horning in that all WADs are semi canon.

>>382290559
How about also that reveal getting Hayden to realize the one man demon apocalypse rage incarnated is still more human than he is?

>>382290706
No he isn't.

>>382290706
Yeah it's a sequel hook that has little to do with the plot of the game prior, Hayden is not presented as an antagonist in the story of Doom 2016. In fact he's actually working with you every step of the way.

So what is the Crucible? Is it the Doomslayer's original weapon that he first invaded Hell with?

>>382290735
Humanity can recover. A global energy crisis seems kinda unrealistic anyway thanks to alternative energies such as water and sun light, combine that with generators and you're good to go for a few more centuries

>>382290862
maybe

>>382290816
>>382290854

>a person who actively opposes or is hostile to someone or something; an adversary.

He tethers you back, steals the crucible, then puts you back in stasis. He doesn't reveal himself until the very end, but his character absolutely fits that description.

>>382290854
Except for when he tricks you into having the tether installed by trapping his office panel. It turns out he had a reason for doing that beyond a partner who would have not allowed it willingly, since it's what he uses to bind him at the end of the game, steal the crucible, and warp him away without him able to do anything about it.

>>382290978
No. It doesn't.

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>>382291029

>>382290854
>>382290816
You fuckers didn't get the game.
Nobody tells the Doom guy what to do. Hayden told him to not fuck shit up and he did anyway.
You're playing as Doom guy and the Doom guy knows one thing: demons are bad and must be punished. Anyone who colaborates with demons must be punished too.
Hayden is the villain/antagonist in Doom guy's mind and that's all that matters. Doom guy will rip and tear his shit up in the sequel and you won't be able to do anything about it.

>>382290978
He doesn't actively oppose you in the story at all, he helps you every step of the way until the final scene that serves as a sequel hook.
Please don't be that guy who's too stubborn to admit you're wrong on a website where everybody is Anonymous.

>>382291103

>He doesn't actively oppose you in the story at all
>until the final scene

The ending of the story IS PART OF THE STORY.

>>382291098
Doomguy won't kill Hayden because Doomguy doesn't kill the innocent.

>>382291098
>Hayden is the villain/antagonist in Doom guy's mind and that's all that matters
No, there's direct evidence to the contrary. You're locked in his office listening to exposition and Doomguy does nothing.
>>382291196
You're thinking of an epilogue, the ending would be fighting Olivia in Hell.

>>382290441
damn

>>382291103
he does keep telling you not to do shit time and time again so you could actually consider the doomguy to be the antagonist from haydens perspective

>>382291261
Actually you can shoot him. He's got a shield. Tells you to save your ammunition.

>>382286131
>>382286892
From what I remember that basically was the praise. That the story wasn't intrusive outside of the intro, and was otherwise decent. Which is good, some games should stick to the idea of storytelling without a lot of cut scenes. Fits some games better.

>>382291196
>>382290978
>>382291098
Even if Hayden ends up being an antagonist, it doesn't necessarily mean that he's the bad guy int he story.

>>382282283
I'm still mad that this game got all of this stupid multiplayer dlc that nobody gave two shits about but not even a single campaign expansion/episode.

At least some of the free updates were sort of nice. I was not expecting them to actually put in the classic centered-weapons perspective.

>>382291261
>You're locked in his office listening to exposition and Doomguy does nothing.
He wasn't betrayed yet. He still thought that Haydeen would use the crucible to close all the portals to hell.
Is the doomguy an idiot? You betcha.
Is he angry? He is.

>>382291452

>>382291452

I didn't say he was THE bad guy, merely AN antagonist.

>>382291507
Okay? Is there anything wrong with him being an antagonist? Doesn't mean he won't help Doomguy in the future.

>>382291507
I wonder if there is one who would be the main antagonist. There are some vague hintings at a demon overlord or at the very least a voice that speaks for them. However, the Arachnea Imperatrix was hailed as their prophesied new leader so I'm not so sure about that.

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>>382291250
>Hayden
>Innocent
Choose 1, punk. ANY deviance from choosing from ONE of the two green-text options, or failing to choose at all, will illustrate to yourself, to everyone in this thread, and to your whore momma that you are a candy-ass little shit retard. Not a pretending retard, not just a Full Retard, but Potato.

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You faggots are doing a swell job of shitting up an otherwise good thread.

Since Doom Guy absorbs the souls of the demons he kills, how long do you think it would take till he hoovered up every single demon? What would happen when he absorbed all of Hell?

Doomguy can afford to be a little dumb. He is literally not bound by space or time.

Hell, if someone made a .wad in which he kills Hayden and takes back the Crucible and uses it to close off Hell forever, that would be canon. and Hayden couldn't do anything about it.

>>382291704
No Sam, I am the demons.

>>382291704
I don't think there is a finite number of demons. For all the genocides he's done against them there's thousands if not millions more out there.

I think he likes it that way.

>>382291704
Since he flitters between universes we can't really say there's a hard limit on demons.

>>382291678
Hayden is innocent. He was forced into the position that he was by the needs of humanities survival. If anything he's a victim.

>>382291837
The people who died when Hell got loose because he didn't stop Olivia also had the potential for innocence, as we can't say all of them were in the cult. Which Hayden also didn't really seem to be stopping.

>>382282283
I can't wait to see his demon form in the next game.

>>382292000
So he can be even more of an edgelord.

>>382292000
Wonder if he'll be the next Icon of Sin.

>>382291671

Probably Olivia. She's the one who went batshit crazy, created the cult, and sent all of her employees off to die (while making sure you stayed sealed in the tomb.)

>>382292192
Yeah but that's all taken care of now, so who's it going to be in the next game?

>>382292259

Maybe Hayden. Maybe somebody else. Maybe Satan himself. No real way to know.

There was brief clip of Doom Guy standing with his fellow Wraiths or whatever they were called. Maybe the next game will see a bloody crusade through hell with your bros.

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>>382292417
Night Sentinels.

>>382292808

There it is. Would ride through hell with for all eternity

>>382282283
No that stupid ass ending was. As was all the DLC being for Multiplayer.

>>382292808
Night Sentinels were the exact point I stopped reading the lore tidbits.

Doomguy. Just Doomguy. Nothing more.

>>382291704
Take a fat demon shit.

>>382282283
samuel hayden is responsible for half the reasons you have to sit on your dick and listen to exposition
that makes him the villain of a DOOM game

>>382291704
so what happens to demons when they die?
do they go to like super-hell or something?
is there a hell for demons?
what happens when those demons die?

>>382293440

Their souls are absorbed by Doom Guy, they ceased to exist as they replenish his ammo and life

>>382291431
>That the story wasn't intrusive outside of the intro,
actually bullshit
you have to sit and listen to anywhere from 30 second to 3 minute dialogue multiple times

>>382292808
that could be an interesting concept for a co-op campaign mechanic. Like player 1 is doomguy and players 2-4 are the night sentinels

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>>382293690
There were only a few parts like the beginning that it was really a bit too long.

I found some of the later levels being drawn out a worse issue.

>>382293757
>not player 1 is doomguy and player 2 is hereticguy

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>>382293871
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So what kind of Looney Tunes bullshit is DooM marine going to get caught in for the next game?

>>382283012
>>382285296
>peter cullen voiced the predator in the first film
what the FUCK

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>>382294342

>>382294545
Isn't BJ Blazkowciz hinted at being one of Doomguy's possible names?

>>382294728
More that Doomguy is his descendant. Doom II RPG featured him as 'Sergeant Stan Blazkowics' just like Wolfenstein RPG had the original Cyberdemon as the Harbinger of Doom, saying he'd get revenge on BJ's descendants.

>>382294728
OG Doomguy is a descendant of the Blazkowicz family according to some RPG spin-offs (B.J. beated the Cyberdemon before the latter became cyber)

Fuck me I want more Doom, so desperately

>>382295007
*unzips dick*

>>382292000

>demons promise him "a new body, worthy of him" or something along those lines
>turns out it's an ancient, crippled gremlin-thing with a grotesquely oversized head, which can only writhe helplessly and beg for mercy as you stroll up to deliver the coup de gras

>>382295158
>*unzips dick*

That sounds painful.

>>382295445

DOOM!!!

>>382288851
When will someone stop him?

>>382284443
in doom3 they could make monitors on machines display pentagrams. that has to count for something

>>382293838
>DOOMGUY
>CORVUS (YES THE HERETICGUY IS NAMED CORVUS)
>RANGER
>LO WANG

>>382290190
>Ethereal being
>Tryhard ninja
Huh.

The titan's story is hilarious
>The Titan will save us all! He's huge!
>Doomguy just rips him in half

>>382296549
I mean the doomguy comic is basically canon now, they should have known better.

>>382296549
The Arachnea Imperatrix has this long epic description of how she'll be the ultimate god of demon kind and lead them to a new age of destroying the mortal realm.

And you get to kill her in less than 10 minutes after they turn Olivia into it.

>>382284593
Every time they activate a nuclear reactor, there's a chance they could ignite the atmosphere. Little worse than giant roaches.

>>382289005
Also Samuel into Samael ( a demon).

>>382293690
a whole 3 minutes? Once? OH NO! Holy fuck how autistic are you, I bet you were mashing A as fast as you could but you kept jumping and kept getting madder and madder HA you fucking cuck get doomed.

>>382296927
what the fuck are you talking about
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74NAzzy9d_4

>>382296927
Igniting the atmosphere was something they were afraid MIGHT happen when they were building the atomic bomb. They recalculated and found it wouldn't happen. And that was a weapon, not a power plant. It would be interesting if we could all die every time a nuclear reactor was turned on, given there are a known 435 in use in 31 countries.

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>>382294953
B. J. Blazkowicz III in the Doom RPG, I think it was.

>>382297267
>>382297758
I didn't say it was a likely, just that it could

>>382282982
You can reason it all you want, but in the end it doesn't matter to doomguy, what matters is that Sam fucked with him, and you don't fuck with doomguy

>have to wait a whole year before announcement of DOOM 2

>>382283453
did I miss something? I thought Vega self destructed to create a portal to hell.

>>382299741
He does, but Doomguy saves a backup just before it happens.

AIs before evil robot guys.

>>382299741
at the very last second, doomguy hits a big button labeled BACKUP VEGA as he says "I have many regrets, dr hayden"

Not sure how his suit can handle all that compute but whatever

>>382299741
Right before he self-destructs Dommguy creates a backup copy of his consciousness. Now whether he actually "saved" Vega is a matter of philosophical debate, but the intent is clear.

>>382299934
The suit's powered by magic that's magic even by hell magic standards, and most of Vega's processing power was probably devoted to running the facility. He could be installed as Doomguy's Bonzai Buddy no problem.

>>382300054
I really hope he takes the form of a paperclip or something