DDS

>>382265897
i love both of them

>>382265897
Its not persona

>>382266240
Exactly.
I like persona as well, but there's something about the old Kaneko/Meguro teamup that just has more soul to it than flashy pop stuff.

remember when shoji megure gave a fuck?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwJmwp8IwRE&index=5&list=PLD47E2F9DB3524C41

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Boss designs were best

>>382267004
Remember when shoji meguro did the best normal battle theme?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCuOjfyUHnA

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It's not hated at all, but it doesn't deserve a heap of praise either. The two games are fine, but nothing special.

>>382267205
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWm6mkq6bE4
this is so powerful and uplifting
p5 ost feels like its designed to put you to a sleep

>>382267415
ITT: two anons jerk each other off with Meguro songs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TB_Al8lCKKE

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>>382268186
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTHFJacaIb8

>back in 2009
>midnight
>heavy winter and snow outside
>turn of the lights
>just me and ps2 and a tv

life was simple i can relate happiness with this game and that time period. It would never again happen. Why live?

I like DDS1 more than Nocturne.

>>382268947
>tfw I didn't get far enough in Nocturne to hear that theme because I lent my PS2 to my gf who kept it after the breakup.
Still have the game with no way to play it.

>>382265897
It's my favorite Megaten series, OP. Wish they'd release them on PS4, even PS3 got ports of them.

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Because the plot of the first game doesn't go anywhere until the eleventh hour and a lot of is goes "you'll have to trust us that this will be great in the sequel". The macabre aspect was interesting in lore and gameplay, but the gameplay just felt subpar compared to Nocturne. The gameplay is more restricted than Nocturne and while it is meant to be a challenging version of traditional SMT, I don't feel like it was worth the time to play it. The soundtrack was very subdued and intentional or not, made it pretty boring.

Of course things go insane in the second game and fixed a lot of the core complaints. Music is livelier, combat is slightly refined to be more user friendly towards mistakes (you could potentially fuck up big time in DDS1 if you weren't playing min-max from the start). ATLUS took a lot of liberties with killing party members and forcing you into a corner, but I don't think the story payoff is great. Voice acting was I suppose a good startoff, with Steve Blum lending his performance so it was never an awkward PS2 JRPG level localization.

Digital Devil Saga are experimental games and I think the Raidou Kuzonaha series left a lasting impression because of their aesthetics. If it makes you feel any better, I think DDS had some of the best demon designs for bosses and a lot of good aesthetics. Just the core storyline holding it together wasn't very interesting. If you read up on it, the person who penned the story was outsourced and a fist time for ATLUS. However, citing health issues they left the project by the time it came to do a sequel so ATLUS had to run and gun and fix it ala Xenosaga 2 to 3.

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>>382270692
I don't think I gave the sequel more credit. The new characters were awesome and the big twist that happens in the middle is incredible. Out of the SMT games Digital Devil Saga feels the most "dude read up on Hinduism lmao". The people to people moments were OK but you can't do much with a cast of amnesiacs. The main heroine...was OK? I never felt what were were doing as a party was super important in the grand scheme of things, it was a lot of rushing and it didn't feel paced to digest everything that was going on. It was just gas petal non-stop in Digital Devil Saga 2.

They're both pretty short games at 30-40 hours each, 30 if you rush the first game. They're worth looking into but I couldn't have the same revere as you do for them. I don't quite hate them, neither was my time wasted, but I can't quite give them an unconditional recommendation like I would for SMT3 Nocturne, Persona 3, or Devil Summoner 2.

It was pretty average except the atmosphere and the 2nd game was more mediocre. I had to force myself to finish it.

There isn't that much to talk about. There are no sequels or anything like that, and it doesn't have lots of lore to wank over. They're excellent games but there's no reason for a large fanbase to develop over them.

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This is unrelated to DDS, but I just started Soul Hackers very recently, and I was wondering if it is generally considered to be mediocre early on? I don't hate it, and I'm not far in anyway, but it hasn't really grabbed me so far and I'm not sure if it's the game or if I'm just a little burnt out on SMT at the moment. Also, what's the deal with negotiation? Does intelligence actually make a significant difference with it like it's supposed to in SMT1? It seems a lot more difficult to recruit a demon than in other games and I tend to go through the dame dialogue over and over in the course of just one dungeon.

>>382265897
I love it. best not mainline smt game. Soundtrack is absolutely goat and also best in the series

>>382270692
>>382271363
what are you some professional dipshit reviewer?
you nailed perfectly
also
>party members are dying
>oh no wait they are alive in heaven and they get reincarnated
it killed any emotional connection with them and ruined payoff
also
>seraph
i cant even..

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>no HD remaster of Nocturne, DDS 1 and 2, and Raidou 1 and 2 release on PC and PS4
>probably going to get two more Persona 4 spin-offs and 30 Persona 5 spin-offs
Why is Atlus so awful?

>>382267004
p5 ost actually has some tracks that are very reminiscent of his old stuff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2U87GDsq_8

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>>382270692
>>382271363
I was almost leaning towards giving you a pass concerning all the criticism, but
>unconditional recommendation for Persona 3

And you speak of subpar gameplay in DDS. Persona 3 had most simplified, shit-tier combat of all those games you speak of, with horrible random generated dungeons to boot.
I guess music and setting is more a matter of preference, but I would take DDS (specifically 1st) over P3 any day.

>>382265897
snorefest

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>>382272341
>1:56
erry time

>>382272334
Fuck off with your PC bullshit.
Jesus, don't you people ever die?

>>382266240
/thread

i think its better than nocturne but there both brushed over because of personas generic appeal to weebs story.

>>382272649
>he doesn't know
I'm not even some master race reddit faggot, anon. Exclusivity is cancer in all forms.

>>382272341
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlSZnik5Hpo
yes but they are way slower and they game has vary few songs that gets repetitive in a 100 hour game

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>>382272763
whoops, forgot my pic

>>382272763
Exclusivity breeds games. First parties creating their own games, or funding studios is directly responsible for certain game series existing at all.

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>>382272334
Fuck me, those Raidou games would really be nice, especially since 2nd one wasn't even released in PAL region.

>>382272717
Non-Persona SMT games plenty of praise on /v/. That aside, DDS is as much generic weebshit as Persona is, especially DDS2.

>>382272852
Can you just fuck off with your PC port begging cancer out of this thread? You're worse than NeoGAF and Reddit in every regard.

>>382273058
How is DDS generic weebshit?

>>382267205
DDS regular battle theme is stupid good, but so are dungeon themes, so I don't always know whther i want to keep fighting or just run around

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFhXPvElNZ0&index=26&list=PL0008307CF3DC119A

>>382273220
Fucking kill yourself, consolewar faggot.

>>382273058
If thats the case it would be just as popular but...its not,also its not praised as much as mainline for some reason hell strange journey gets more love.

Why does it seem like all the stuff Meguro makes now is really generic and boringly composed. Where are the weird time signatures? Why does everything have that same boring 4/4 drum beat? Compare any P5 song to stuff in SMTIV and SMTIVA and there's a world of difference apparent between the two's complexity.

>>382273583
Because there's no Kaneko to inspire him. Only generic weebshit by whatever pleb that does character design now

>>382273224
It's not, but neither is Persona. A lot of MegaTen games are as weeb as Persona, but very few of them are weebshit at all. The only one I might call weebshit is #FE, but I haven't even played that so I can't say for certain that it's as bad as it looks.

>>382273447
I don't know what world you livein where weebshit is the most popular stuff around, but it's not the world I'm living in. Persona is popular because it's got an addictive and unique gameplay flow with characters that are evidently enjoyable enough to keep most people engaged, not because it has waifus. Strange Journey gets a lot of love because it's just a lot of the good stuff about SMT but with a cool setting that's reminiscent of 80s sic fi movies and with characters show are a lot more grounded than the characters in most MegaTen games.

Character design is elder god tier, game design is pretty shit.

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>>382273861
>characters that are evidently enjoyable enough to keep most people engaged, not because it has waifus
wont even answer that but your right about strange journey

>>382274180
>>382273861
Favourite Crewmate?
Hardmode- No anthony
Irving or bust.

the game's pretty meh. Beside the Persona series Atlus in general doesn't really has anything worth playing.

>>382267107
When I replayed the game I felt really bad about this guy, he lost his mind upon watching the whole orgy of gory that resulted from the first demon transformations and was reduced to a barely coherent wreck in the end, then again both games deal with the fact that what happened was a tragedy that resulted from one asshole being souless

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>>382274180
You don't have to like the characters, and I'm not trying to tout them as the greatest characters of all time, but they are clearly likable enough that it draws a lot of people in and keeps them invested. They're such an integral part of the game because of Social Links that they would have to be, and I assure you people wouldn't give a shit about the games if the developers didn't put the effort they did into making the characters likable.

>>382274409
Dent, of course. I just wish he came up with more than two of those little games to pass the time.

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1st one was cool

2nd one was trash
>Shit dungeons
>have to grind all over again
>mantra system is more complicated
>boring setting
>constant party members ditching you

Gave up at the last dungeon, I will NOT grind anymore for skills fuck this game

>>382272341
Speaking of Persona 5 music being similar to older SMT games:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KukSVxgsQkg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tboCiUiIHYU

>>382272268
Well, if its any consolation, Seraph doesn't reincarnate and stay with Brahma so that it doesn't fuck over humanity by accident again, they also now keep moving across time to help both Sera and Serph reach enlightement and create Seraph.

Though I didn't consider the reincarnation cheap or anything since they were all data and god himself was willing to download them in new bodies so they could experience a life without the insane hardships from before

>>382272763
>Exclusivity is cancer in all forms
Exclusivity is what made games like those, we only got SJ because of the DS, same with all other games, but please keep schreeching about how its a cancer, parrot some /v/ patented bullshit some more

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>>382274468
>there's persona 1 and 2?
The post

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>>382274468

Don't fall for the
>it gets better in 2

1st one is the best

>>382275039
Are you implying that DDS1 had good dungeons?

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>>382275039
I quit after the bat battle from the first game came back at the final sprint. I just ragequit, completely. I was done and I watched the final boss on YouTube.

And I had carried over the bonus from DDS1 so when my characters fused at the final dungeon inside the digital Sun I could use an almighty spam 2 win attack but nothing could prepare me for round 2 of the bat faggot. It wasn't just dying to him that pissed me off, is just how far away the saves are after what amounts to be insane high level demons and boss rush level. You can almighty spam all you want, but the RNG on the bat boss is insanely unfair. This is from the first game, but the rules still apply to his return in DDS2.

>Camazotz from the first game. He's not too bad the first two times you fight him, but the third time, he's a nightmare, mainly because of extra-turn spells and ZOTZILAHA BANE, which can't be defended against and turns you into a bat, which has hideously low stats and a large Force weakness. Three guesses what all of Camazotz's damage-dealing attacks's element is (Spiral Edge doesn't count since it's Physical and it's used in the previous fights). Assuming, of course, he doesn't get overly lucky when he starts spamming Rage. It seems appropriate for a boss which is named after a Mayan god of death.

Shit's mega gay.

So what exactly WAS the Junkyard? The characters talk about it like it's just a virtual arena that doesn't really exist, but at the end of DDS2, you see characters that died in the Junkyard alongside "real" people. Also, if DDS2's world was made of data, does that mean that it's just another simulation?

>>382275575
Yeah. Were actually interactive and fun to explore around

2's dungeon besides the dante chase rip off were boring walking simulators with switches

>couple months ago
>poorfag neet
>come upon 10$ & want to get either DDS or the first Raidou game for my first SMT
>choose this
>massive regret
Very neat premise, designs, & atmosphere but holy fuck the story and gameplay are dull. I don't mind turn-based shit usually but this game is just boring. Does it get better?

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>>382276307
Assuming you don't have DDS2, that was a very poor choice. They're pretty much two halves of a single game and while the story does get interesting in some regards, most of the plotlines are only finished in DDS2. The gameplay in DDS isn't great because it's missing demon fusion and managing your demons, which is a huge part of the gameplay in these games.If it's any consolation, Raidou 1 would have been an even worse place to start, though I do prefer the game to DDS on the whole.

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>>382276307
>>come upon 10$ & want to get either DDS or the first Raidou game for my first SMT

Wow, you fucked up. Raidou may not be Devil May Cry, but the atmosphere and music are super comfy. Also sick ass sideburns. Everything about Raidou 1 is cool as fuck. And it gets even better in Raidou 2.

I'm afraid DDS1 won't get any better. The sleepy hazy look of the game is intentional to provoke a somber like atmosphere while all this horrible macabre death game is happening. I recommend rushing it with a magic build and hunting skills. Where did you buy it for 10 dollars? On PSN the month leading to Persona 5 all SMT stuff was discounted by half, everything. PS1 and PS2 Classics were super cheap. You only have yourself to blame senpai, talking about the PS3 here. None of them are available on PS4.

Back to DDS1, story won't have big payoff since it has sequel hook and the sequel is eh, not bad but if you're not having fun with DDS1 I would advice against getting it.

But seriously man get Raidou 1 or 2, they're insanely fun and well-written.

>>382276639
Why would Raidou 1 be a bad place to start? It looks a lot more engaging to me. Also yes I only have DDS1, I didn't think it'd be this weak on its own
>>382276861
I'm not expecting DMC, just something more interesting than this. I don't mind the somber atmosphere of DDS but the story stopped being interesting like 5 hours in, it feels like it's going nowhere and none of the characters really catch my attention.

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>>382277275
>I'm not expecting DMC, just something more interesting than this. I don't mind the somber atmosphere of DDS but the story stopped being interesting like 5 hours in, it feels like it's going nowhere and none of the characters really catch my attention.

Basically what it was like for me. I made the mistake of rushing with pure strength to get to DDS2 quickly and got assblasted by the late game which only had pure magic. There are some good characters here and there, but what you see is what you get. Their characterization doesn't super evolve. A lot of it hinges on how much of the plot you want to see unveil rather than the characters per say, you'll get a morsel bit of information in DDS1. You'll have to motivate yourself, lol. Or if you really enjoy the battle system.

Anyway, speaking of Raidou
https://youtu.be/nt3ZTD5yZWc?t=13

Check out this sweet ass intro. Gets me hyped every time I boot it up on the PS3.

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>>382277275
I think DDS can at least get you acquainted with the mechanics of the more recent game as well as the names of the different skills and the demon designs. While Raidou can also provide some of that, it plays so differently from anything else in the series that I don't consider it a great representation of the series. I still do think it's a great game and a better game than DDS, but I feel like it's a very different game from most MegaTen games, moreso than DDS is. If you're really not enjoying DDS but you can't afford anything else in the series, you could try emulating SJ. It should run just fine even on a toaster seeing as it's just a DS game and it has a lot of what makes SMT great in it, in my opinion. It also has a pretty dull battle system and some headache inducing dungeons, but it's still great despite that.

>>382270439
I'm sorry for your loss anon.

Did you know you can buy a used PS2 in good condition on Amazon for less than $60?

>>382265897
It's okay. Setting skills is really tedious, how no one suggested a set saving system is beyond me. It's also on the easier side, excluding demifiend of course.

2 is a total fucking shark jump.

Nocturne is the only fun ps2 smt

Rest are disgusting trash

>>382277713
I can't motivate myself for this shit, especially now knowing this is just a 20-30 hour tease for the sequel. Pretty much killed the little interest I had left, the story seems neat but also like a huge fucking waste of time.

>>382267107
The whole design and style of the game was shit.
I quit it about half way in because I was tired of playing as repulsive characters.
That dreadlocks guy is still one of the stupidest things of all time.

>>382270439
Just emulate. You can pop the disk into your PC and it'll run just fine.

Now will you realise the only good SMT is Catherine

>>382275039
I liked both, the dungeons were alright and of similar quality in both, relearning stuff in a sequel shouldn't really be a surprise, the new mantra system was way more interesting, the setting was still cool and I liked the whole party.
But more importantly Togame is CUTE!

>>382281038
That's just a regular MegaTen sweetheart

>>382281451
Or is it

>>382282335
no I'm pretty sure it's just standard MegaTen