Did 3D graphics ruin video games?

No.

2D graphics were extremely limiting to games.

nope, western devs did

nope, casuallords asking for good graphics over gameplay and [music or dialogue or whatever] did

>>382265093
>implying 3D graphics are good

>>382264759
I used to think that but then I saw Arcsys do what they have always done with sprites using 3d models.

I aint even an ArcSys fan.

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>>382264759
Things that ruined video games, in order
1: Higher costs and longer dev cycles associated with HD gaming edged out the profitability that small and medium sized developers could make with AA games in the home console market
2: Expanded demographics starting with bringing dudebros into the gaming fold during the PS2/xbox/GameCube era, and then again with expanding to everyone via smartphones gaming and "cinematic experiences" caused the biggest publishers to focus on making games for these new target demographics, as they're larger, and hence more profitable than continuing to target the traditional gamers
3: Sleazy business practices like retailer exclusive pre-order bonuses, day 1 DLC, season passes, early access.

>>382264759
>>382265594
Source?

>>382265093
People asked for good graphics from the start

3D modellers and textures have nothing to do with game designers you fucking moron.

>>382266736
iqdb.org

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>>382266736
Maybe if you discuss the topic a bit

>>382267184
Is her leg made of rubber?

>>382266736
http://danbooru.donmai.us/posts?tags=migel_futoshi

>>382267284
It's like that optical illusion where you shake the pencil.

No, AAA games ruined video games. Video games are the best they've ever been if you don't play AAA garbage.

>>382264905
Normalfag cancer spotted, fuck off back to pedogaf

>>382264759

no, you are just a nostalgia faggot. Also modern games lack quality.

>>382264759
There's nothing inherently well with properly made 3D models, although they work better in some genres and worse in others. The same goes for 2D.
There are two issues with the mindset of people making both 2D and 3D graphics though.
With 2D, modern devs often think that spriting and making graphics such as the one in OP isn't a matter of making them look as good as say, Castlevania, and end up making them look like shitty MS paint emulations of Atari games.
While with 3D, the standard has either been raised too high in a specific genre (e.g. Crysis) for every game to look good with it or it simply doesn't work as well in that genre.

>>382264759
nah the jews did, turned them into souless money makers, with little to no love put into them

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>>382264759
no modern anime ruined video games. Im a huge weeb and I think modern anime ruined a lot of things although I still watch it.

>>382269162
And modern anime was shaped into what it is today by the Japanese Music Industry, specifically the Idol culture. The Japanese Music Industry controls a metric shit ton of Japanese media.

>>382269162
That's cool, but the problem isn't confined to Japanese games. MANY Western games suck too, and I don't think modern anime is what's influencing them.

>detailed, realistic anatomy
>noseless moeblob animu faces

Perfection.

>>382264905
Second post best post.

Fuck off back to
>>>/jp/
with this off topic garbage OP.

>>382264759
I wish I invested in being anime pixel animator.

>>382264905
show me one (1) good western game ever released

>>382269801
Overwatch

>>382264905
Gaming would not exist without Japan

>>382269801
Doom

>>382267184
>>382265594
>>382264759
two sets of eyebrows

>>382269891
first game was invented in the west. pls kill yourself weeb

>>382269470
>The Japanese Music Industry controls a metric shit ton of Japanese media.
this is the first i've heard of this. can you expand on this or give a source?

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>>382269969
Where

>>382269891
People outside the Japanese made games anon. Gaming wouldn't be the same, but it would still exist.

>>382269969
i don't see it

>>382269969
>What are eyelids

I love pixel graphics in video games. A lot more can be done with pixel graphics than 3D and it's easier on hardware.

>>382269969
Do you know how eyelids work?

>>382270583
>A lot more can be done with pixel graphics than 3D
how so?

>>382270779
Like certain animations and effects can look cooler and more refined using pixels without causing technical problems (i.e FPS drop). You can add more effects and sprites to make certain things look a lot better and visually appealing.

If anyone has the picture of Chun-Li comparing her Kikoken from the old SF and SFIV(?) it illustrates my point a little better

You also don't have to worry about rendering 3D shapes at long distances because of how sprites and pixels are so it saves optimization to an extent.

>>382271429
>If anyone has the picture of Chun-Li comparing her Kikoken from the old SF and SFIV(?) it illustrates my point a little better
Capcom being lazy doesn't mean that effect can't be done in 3d.

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>>382271429
2D is way more expensive a time intensive than 3d however

>>382271514
I think they mostly did that to save frames which is crucial in fighting games.

They could have sped up the animation but then it look unnatural which is something you can get away with using pixel graphics

>>382270701
he doesn't neither do the artists on those gifs though

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Reminder that Migel Futoshi's talent is being wasted in Tasofro's kusoge and he will never have a job working for a real developer.

>>382264759
If anything, they saved us from the trend of prerendered live action shit.

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>>382271746
can 2hu fighting games ever recover!?

>>382271746
>Mokou sarashi
Fuck If I care. I never knew how much I wanted this

>>382269891
Fuck off weeb and back to >>>/jp/

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>>382272673
>>382269640
That's not how things work

>>382264905
second post best post
>>382267692
But /v/ is full of pedos. That's why they love animeshit.

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>>382264759
a little bit

>>382269827
>Overwatch
Thanks for proving his point

>>382270156
>>382270293

I guess they're alluding to Nintendo guiding the industry out of the crash of the early 80s.

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>>382269801
Mafia 2
The joke here is that it's not a western game, 'cause all your games are shit :^)

>>382264905
Yes, definitely not shit like early access and anti-consumer business practices.
People who like what you don't like are killing video games, yes.

>>382264905
Spbp

>>382270238
Just look at all the newer animes and pay attention how often something related to music pops up.

>oh look one of the characters also happens to be an idol
>literally dozens of animes about idols or people in the music business
>lets not forget the art of character songs, where voice actors are paid to sing songs in character, totally not shilling for the music industry tho
>how about a game based on humanized horses but are also idols?
>man, look at all this licensed music in Yakuza, truly a Japanese game
>project diva is a game series about virtual idols covering thousands of licensed songs
>the dancing spinoff of persona
>persona 5 also featuring idols, how shocking
>or SMTxFE, literally idolshit; the game

The Jap music industry's influence was hidden in plain sight. Despite being an exclusively domestic market, the Japanese music industry actually managed to generate a larger revenue than the American one.

>>382273326
>>literally dozens of animes about idols or people in the music business
Literally 4 at best

Yes, if you don't think so, then you are a youngfag

There aren't any 3D games that come close to peak 2D. They are inherently worse

>>382267184

>Now reminded to order the Suntanned Cirno Nendoroid

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I'd say no.

>>382273542
>Doom

>>382273326
the idolshit is nothing new, though. there have been anime about little girls transforming into idols for a long time. japan just likes little girls and idols and music. they wouldn't make this shit if there weren't people who like it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fancy_Lala

Not killed but maimed pretty good.

>>382269413
HOLY SHIT WHO IS THIS LITERAL CUTIE

PLEASE POST MORE RIGHT NOW

>>382266736
Not a video game, so it's irrelevant to the thread

>>382273902
Your screenshot is proof that yeah they did. That's a really beautifully concepted scene that just looks like plastic shit and leaves nothing to imagination.

>>382269898
i hope you mean Doom 2017

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>>382274723
>nu doom
>better than the original

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>>382274604
There's no denying that concept art tends to look a lot better than the finished product.

>>382274885
part of that is composition. when the player controls the camera then you're not going to get nicely framed shots like this, it's unavoidable. but it's a game, not a painting, so it shouldn't be that big a deal.

>>382264905
This.

>>382264759
No.

At any given point I'll take decent 2d over bad 3d. Thing is, there is no decent 2d anymore as all the good sprite artists have fucked off.

>>382273180
Butthurt weeb detecected

>>382272798
>replies to self
>thinks loli = pedo
Yep. Thanks for confirming your normie status.

>>382264759
Yes
3DPD ruins everything

>>382264759
Digital HDTV technologies such as LCD and Plasma ruined gaming

Ah I remember the days of CRT
No fixed resolution garbage, no motion blur, no input lag...pure bliss

>>382269801

He said weebs not the Japanese.

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>>382264759
i feel like pixel art is what is ruining games right now...

i own games i love but dont want to play becuase i cant be fucked looking at jaggy graphics right now

>>382275808
But do you actually not care about the things that are really ruining video games?

>>382272997
The 80s crash only happened in North America. Japan and Europe were fine and PC Gaming was still alive.

>>382271638
Not the Newgrounds-tier bullshit you posted

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Thoughts on this comic from 2001?

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>>382277273
>disrespecting vanirraware

No, but Nintendo ruined 3D graphics for their own games somewhere around 2002.

>>382264759
The west ruined video games, just like everything else they touch.

>>382272798
>neogaf
All of the real pedophiles say the same thing

>>382264759
Moe ruined anime.

>>382264759
Maybe for you

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>>382277465
all this comic did was make me happy that games pander to normies now

>>382277594
little sister shit ruined anime and overused tropes like beta mc and isekai.

>>382264759
it ruined genres that didn't benefit from 3D gameplay (like fighting games and platformers)

but that's it

>>382276732
You're basically fucking stupid what 3d graphics can evoke mountains or buildings that feel like that? Compare it to a map of dark souls or something and you'll see a clusterfuck. 3d can't be painterly or illustrative the closest thing is those anime filters arcsys uses.

>>382269891
2600 was the first successful console you idiot.

Hey look it's this thread again

>>382264759
what is this? autism in 2D?
guys this is worst than mlp

>>382278024
>painterly or illustrative
with hand painted textures 3D can look quite painterly. just because photorealism is what most games are chasing doesn't mean it's the only thing you can do with it.

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>>382269162
Anime really declined since the rise of digital coloring.
Pretty much every anime I've seen for the past few seasons has either used Clip Studio assets in the backgrounds (desks, powerlines, etc) or some form of CGI when they get lazy (especially with vehicles). The better uses of CGI are when they at least rotoscope/put a filter over it, but it's still obvious as fuck and super out of place.
Hell, my favorite anime in the past couple years, Boku no Hero, even does this shit. It's got some beautiful animation, but even it's not safe from the cancer infecting modern anime.
You can see things like CGI or generic assets in older animes, but it was very uncommon. Only examples I can think of are a couple scenes in Cowboy Bebop (the anime has aged fantastically, but those couple of scenes have not).

>>382279143
Have any examples? I'd love to be btfo.

>>382264759
2d animation, for films and sprites for games takes so much work. Recreating the whole image every frame almost. With 3d animation you can use the same assets over and over, movie after movie game after game.

>>382264759
nah video games ruined videogames, there are still alot of great games but its so much harder to find them today bc of shovelware bullshit

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>>382264905
Sick of you normie immigrants ruining this site

>>382279404
old 3D games are full of examples, because photorealism was pretty much out of reach (not that plenty didn't try anyway). i'm not really a fan of WoW, but i seem to remember it having quite a painterly style to it. megaman legends 1+2 are a perfect execution of 2D anime style in 3D. you already mentioned guilty gear, which also did it really well. it's not that it can't be done, it's that developers aren't trying because so many gamebuyers are retards who want """GOOD GRAPHICS""" (realism).

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>>382279460
>being this anally annihilated
This website doesn't belong to you f/a/gs. That's like saying the internet should only be used for the government and military purposes

>>382279418
don't act like asset reuse isn't a thing with 2D games as well. see: any japanese game series with multiple sequels (the SMT series has gotten an insane amount of mileage out of some of those sprites)

>not liking japanese games

FUCK OFF SUMMERFAGS

>>382279754
Oh yeah, both of those were pretty great looking.

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>>382264905
This

>>382280018
>hates weebshit
>thousands of websites to choose from that don't have weebshit
>chooses 4chan the website who's design is based off of an anime character
What the fuck is the matter with you?

>>382264759

got stuck in a trance watching this gif while listening to this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zHqS789tYE

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idk

>>382280663
WAKE UP ANON https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgS6Ta17UTk

>>382280018
No.
You're in the wrong. Every discussion board is built around anime hobbyists who enjoy other hobbies and activities. But fine, go ahead. Continue to bitch about it by all means. You won't get anywhere.

>>382267692
Oh my God, you are trying too hard