What is your excuse? Why haven't you played the best metroidvania

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I don't like games that literally require a guide to be beaten.

>>382239618
If people just like the cryptic nature of it, I'd rather try to get into Myst and save myself a lot of frustrating walking around discerning where the fuck clues are even applicable.

>>382239782
>>382239857
Myst is way harder, though. It's just the fact that most people who play metroidvanias and 2D action/platformers never have to put the amount of effort into actually thinking and solving puzzles.

Face it, it's basically Legend of Zelda x Castlevania if Zelda didn't have the easiest puzzles in the world so nobody would complain

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La-Mulana 2 when?

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It may be a nice puzzle game but calling it the best metroidvania (or even a high-tier puzzle game) is laughable.
>awful, unbalanced, simplistic combat (being a bit harder than majority of metroidvanias doesn't make it good)
>awful variety of upgrades, aside from feather nothing adds new ways of traversing environment, vast majority of secondary weapons are complete garbage, weapon balance is laughably bad
>overall it misses one of the most important parts of what makes metroidvania good - wonder of discovery and character progress
>thinks that it's good enough to pointlessly waste your time even with the most basic things like character speed as he moves like a fat sack with shit even with Hermes Boots
>forces you to refer to a fucking game manual instead of integrating it into the actual game with a possibility to turn it off or on
The only thing this game has going for it is a sheer size and complexity of maps but it doesn't mean much when majority of actual game mechanics make you want to fall asleep.

It's alright. I was so hyped on beating it recently at the time that I backed the sequel, but looking back on it it wasn't a super enjoyable experience. At one point I just stopped caring and used a guide, it felt like they expected me to read their minds at some parts. Maybe if the sequel is a little less cryptic.

>>382240573
>aside from feather nothing adds new ways of traversing environment
That's wrong though.

>>382240573
>awful, unbalanced, simplistic combat (being a bit harder than majority of metroidvanias doesn't make it good)
It's no more complex than SotN or Super Metroid.

>wonder of discovery
But finding new things and areas in La-mulana was always satisfying because new areas had god-tier atmosphere and music while you usually had to solve tough puzzles to get new items and get to them.
>thinks that it's good enough to pointlessly waste your time even with the most basic things like character speed as he moves like a fat sack with shit even with Hermes Boots
But you go really fast with the hermes boots and the pacing of the character prior to the hermes boots is leisurely and relaxing.
>forces you to refer to a fucking game manual instead of integrating it into the actual game with a possibility to turn it off or on
You didn't have to read the manual and even then how is this a bad thing? Games did this all the time in the past.

>>382240289
Hopefully soon. The lastest update details how Naramura forgets to add the minor, final touches, mostly of them being some death traps.

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I really really hope you guys did your part.
You did, right? Right?

>>382239618
I played the free version
you know, the version that actual sticks to the premise of the game? an ode to MSX games?

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>>382241216
Get on my level.

/v/, the stupidest shithole on all of 4chan, which itself is the shithole of the internet, just arbitrarily claims to have developed taste, but for some reason that 'taste' only includes about 3 really horrible fucking games repeated endlessly, deus ex, mulana, planescape, etc

do you know that there were hundreds of really great games made before you were born, and thats true regardless of when you were born

you guys need to branch out just a little bit

>>382241062
No, that's not wrong. It's the only actually prominent character upgrade that truly changes the way your character traverses the areas instead of just serving for some puzzle-related gimmick.
Compare this to super jump, wolf/bat/mist forms from SotN alone.

>>382241286
>delivery 2015
just

>>382241286
Get on mine.
i only gave got up to the 256 tier because it was the max one that playism had, as i couldn't support it during the kickstarter.

>>382239618
I hate metroidvanias

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>>382241216

>>382239618
It's a shit genre

>>382241329
I already played tetris

>shit art
>shit music
>shit presentation in general
>no engaging atmosphere or immersion
>requires autism or a walkthrough

That about covers it. This has none of the things I enjoy about the genre.

>>382241094
>It's no more complex than SotN or Super Metroid.
Of course. It's less. It doesn't even have a dodge action, spells or forms of SotN. And i'm not talking about later metroidvanias, i mean remake of shit went out 4 years later than OoE while original is still younger than GBA castlevanias.

>>382241393
Still, the grapple claws could be used for more than just some puzzles. Just because you never did doesn't mean they weren't useful in certain situations.

>>382241616
>>shit art
>>shit music
>>shit presentation in general
>>no engaging atmosphere or immersion
>>requires autism or a walkthrough

get the fuck out

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>>382239618
But I already have.

>>382241616
But I personally love the art, love the music, love the adventure-esque presentation, love the variety in levels that provide a variety of different kinds of atmosphere (adventure/horror/funny/mysterious/etc), was immersed in the adventure due to how weighted the combat and movement felt, and didn't use a walkthrough.

what now?

>>382241616
I can give you the autism but the rest is objectively false

>>382241329
What are your favorite games champ?

>>382240067
>Myst is way harder
Myst was also fucking retarded, retrospectively

>>382240067

>Myst is way harder

An average normie could beat Myst with little trouble.

>>382241847
well soldier, you only talk about one game, so ill just tell you my one favorite, its fucking with idiots

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>>382239618
I did and I did not finish the game, but the game finished me.

>>382241915
This, except the music part.

Being tone deaf I just looked it up

La-Mulana has garbage controls

>>382242194
t. casual shitter

>>382242194
You're the reason why every modern videogame plays the exact same

I'm really sick of this focus-group tested garbage

>>382240573
>vast majority of secondary weapons are complete garbage
Spears are pretty shit and the rolling shurikens are just extra ammo but every other sub weapon ranges from situationally amazing to useful.
All of the main weapons are great, with the axe being generally the best.

>>382240289
>Circle of the moon that high
>Harmony of Dissonance that low
>Dawn not on the same level as Portrait

>>382241958

/v/ talks about three games.
You talk about none.
You are worse than /v/.

>>382243154
>every other sub weapon ranges from situationally amazing to useful
The only usable sub weapons are chackrams, shield, caltrops and revolver, and last two completely break the fucking game into oblivion with either i-frame abuse or fairy money grind.
As far as metroidvanias go, LM has some of the worst sub-weapons i've seen in the entire genre.
All of the main weapons are great
Oh yes, remember how much you enjoyed using that katana or dagger...

>>382239618
not my kind of game, I wouldn't feel like playing it on my desktop, but I wouldn't mind to try it on a portable, I'd play it on my switch.

>>382243515
i did, katana is pretty useful for palenque and dagger to quickly dispatch of lesser enemies is great.

>>382243649
But it's on the vita
>playing on a vita
well fuck you too

>>382243515
>>382243515
Katana is extremely useful for "Don't use subweapons on bosses" achievement, because it attacks below you which is required for some bosses (like palenque)

Dagger is extremely useful for speedruns and getting quick damage in

The only useless main weapon is the key sword

>>382243649
The game would definitely not work on portable, though there is a Vita version which is supposedly the best version.

>>382239618
I have played it. It's hard. I can't beat it.
Maybe I'll go back to it some time soon, since I backed part 2 on KS.

>>382243515
>not using shurikens
>not hitting flying niggers with flares
And the knife is actually the best weapon in the game for breaking objects.

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>>382239618
I replay it every year, what are you talking about?

>>382239618
Overrated cryptic bullshit

>>382243515
But all of the weapons, main and sub, are used for puzzles and are very useful for defeating specific bosses and enemies.

>>382243748
I platinum'ed EX, and it's pretty good. The only real differences is, of course, the monster compendium, which has some pretty cool art for everything, and some differences in the first area to make it "easier" (remember that chest where you have to fall through a place that opens up but you have to jump in time to control the fall? That wall is just busted open so you can jump trhough it, that's the only difference i know of)

>>382239782
fpbp

>>382243963
I'm talking specifically about combat because i couldn't care less about shitty puzzles this game forced on me.
Hitting flying enemy for 1 damage with a flare that costs money to refill is such a laughable concept i can't wrap my head around it, especially after playing in a shitload of games from this genre.

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>>382243725
>playing on a vita

>>382244092
I don't want to buy a Vita but I want all of the art/beastiary logs. Is there any way we can access them?

>>382239618
>HURF DURF MUH TOO DEE PIXEL ART SIED SCROLLAN VIDYA GAEM

fuck off

>>382240289
Speaking of sequels, any news on Environmental Station Alpha.

I hate the jumping in this game. DROPPED

>>382244303
Maybe if someone could try to go into the game's files?

I been mean to go back into the game and just take a screenshot of each one.

Oh yeah, there are also new borders.

The legends were true and so the great metroidvaniafag war begins

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>>382239618
but that's not Necrocosmos

>>382244339
He's slowed ESA2 production in favor of a game jam game he made called Baba is You he's expanding on.

>>382239782
Basically this

I really enjoyed the first few hours but soon I hit roadblocks with impossible cryptic puzzles that I couldn't solve without looking up a guide. It ruins the game for me

>>382244890
>hurr durr what is 2a - 5 = 10 this is impossible cryptic shit and the game is ruined as a result
please end your life

>>382245131
la-mulana is shit but what's your point? what the fuck is "2a - 5 = 10?" just a bunch of random numbers and a letter?

>>382244828
>Unreleased crap
>best
Call me back when you have a 100% complete, fully available product shill-friend.

>>382239618
Because it's a shit genre that relies on padding by arbitrarily removing all your abilities to fully explore the map and realize there's dickall to actually do. Fuck that garbage I got other games to play bitch suck on it or I'll suck on you so watch out.

>tfw trying to get into super metroid
>check for emulatable rom
>nintendo takes down literally every version of the game anywhere after a long copyrighttroll spree
T-thank y-you, Nintendo.

>>382246069
I just found a rom in less than a minute search harder lazy bones.

>>382246069
took me 15 seconds to get it

fucking nintendo shitters can't arse themselves to google for shit, that's why shit like snes mini sells

>>382246235
>>382246291

I've found others but I am pretty sure they are mostly fakes and or viruses.

does it actually work is what I am wondering.

>>382246403
Stop being so scared and just try it before I try you out on a hot date.

>>382246448
How about you post a pic of it running then post a pic of the website you got it from ploz.

>>382239618
It has white character stealing ancient Egyptian stuff. I have magical melanin and Egyptian stuff was ours before they stole it. Biblical stories are also Egyptian stories which they stole from us.

>>382246628
No that would require me to lower myself enough to not play a Genesis game instead.

>>382245228
He's retarded, let him be.

>>382246670
>egyptian
>Nowhere near Egypt.

>>382246904
The Piramids were built by Black gods (gieants).

>>382246730
Thanks bud, I found it.

If anyone needs it pm me and I'll pm you back the fix, anyway locking this thread ;)

I completely forgot the sequel was a thing

Has there been any recent news on it?

>>382239618
looks like kiddy shit

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>>382246670
>Lemeza Kosugi
>White
uhhhhhhhh what did he mean by this?

>>382239618
I watched a let's play of it

What's the "best" version of La Mulana should I play?

>>382247352
Just play the pc version

No one owns a vita

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>>382241216
>>382241286
>>382241509
>Paying for games that aren't out yet

>>382247583
>paying for games
>paying for music
>paying for movies
>paying for any kind of entertainment

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>>382247723
>games
>music
>movies
>any kind of entertainment

>>382247583
More like
>paying for vaporware

>>382247583
https://soundcloud.com/user-784121968
the music itself made it worth it

>>382247457
>Vita

Can't I just emulate it if that's the best version?

>>382241704
>anon offers up some reasons why the game is bad
>all you can muster is a "get the fuck out"

I've never even played this game but if this were an argument you'd be BTFO'd

>>382248009
If you can find this magic vita emulator then sure

>>382239618
I don't play videogames

>>382248034
cunt didn't even bothered respond back, so guess who was BTFO

But I have played Ori.

>>382239618
give a mega link and i might fix that

>>382241393
Confirmed for never playing through Hell Temple

>>382239618
Far too cryptic

>>382247015
There has been news literally every week since the Kickstarter ended. NIGORO is rocking and rolling on it and shit's going to live up to the hype.

>>382249243
News soon, anon.
It's been every friday for the last year, so we can also expect for some new stuff tomorrow.

>>382248415
Ori barely qualifies as a Metroidvania and isn't that great anyway.

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>>382249151
bought Dead Cells last night. It's a pretty good Castlevania roguelite sorta game. Someone else play it so I can talk about it. My thread is dying. >>382247235
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1ZGq1mk1KM

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>>382239782
This.

I got stuck pretty fast the first time I played it and after spending an hour exploring and trying to figure what the fuck I was supposed to do, I watched a walkthrough video. I dropped the game instantly after seeing the guy in the video casually walk through a wall.

>>382249151
didn't mean to quote you

>>382249750
The skeleton in front of the wall literally gives you the hint that you're supposed to walk through it. There's a pretty good chance you're a retarded ape.

>>382240289
>Insanely Twisted Shadow Planet
Oh shit, I had completely forgotten about that game. I still have to finish it.

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Soon™

>>382249705
>Roguelike
Why even bother? Part of the point of Metroidvania is to have a coherent sense of progression from rational exploration that hinges on the game having well-structured level design and layout, the roguelike design principle of randomly generated dungeons all but completely undermines that shit.

>>382249705
Putting roguelite or roguelike elements on a metroidvania is like taking a dump on a delicious pizza

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>>382247993
Field 06 is my jam

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>>382249750
>skeleton right in fucking front of said wall flat out drops an obvious ass hint when scanned
>WOOOOOOOOOOOOW HOW WAS I SUPPOSED TO KNOW
Consider suicide, my man.

Super Metroid > La-mulana > SotN > Hollow Knight

>>382252072
Objectively true, although all 4 are really good games. After we get all the content for Hollow Knight, I may disagree with that, but not right now.

>>382252072
I've only played LM and SotN but SotN is clearly superior. Better music, better artstyle, better combat and movement, better character progression, no cryptic puzzles.