Sonic Mania

>>382225771
>no visual effect
lazy

>>382226221

There is a sound cue.

>>382226221
>>no visual effect
But that's wrong.

>>382226426
What's the visual cue then? Before hitting the ground?

>>382226653
The spin animation is different. Look how it looks in the trailer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxmtYdEWVzo

Plus there's also a sound cue.

The only thing Forces does better than Mania is that it has a better visual cue for the Drop Dash (Classic Sonic starts to glow blue right before he does it)

>>382227196

To be honest who gives a fuck, the sound cue should be enough for normal gameplay.

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Forgot to post this in the last thread.

I can't justify the Drop Dash being in over the Insta-Shield.

>>382230554
The Drop Dash fits Sonic a fuck ton more than the Insta-Shield.

>>382230554
what did the insta shield even do again? i literally never used it, it was pointless. Drop dash is way better

>>382230554
Insta shield is completely fucking useless.

>>382230554
see >>382230786

The insta shield wasnt good enough. In sonic 3/k, tails was special because he could fly, and knuckles was special because he could glide and climb walls. what could sonic do? oh yeah, he could shield himself, or something. but only when he is jumping, where he (and the other characters) is basically already invulnerable anyways.

>>382230848
>extends your hit-box
>gives brief invincibility
>gives back air control from a roll jump

>>382230786
>>382230848
>>382231054
>>382231179
Casuals detected. The insta-shield had plenty of useful properties for advanced players.

>extends your hit range, which can be really useful on some bosses
>gives you a few frames of invincibility and when you do it just at the right time, you can use this to prevent damage or do cool shit like hitting Orbinauts through their spikes
>can let you move in the air a bit more after using it, least useful feature but it is pretty cool

>>382225771
wow, somebody competent playing this game. looks incredible.

>>382228434
Please. We'll let it slide this time but you're in real trouble next time you forget.

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F

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CS9AyAdSjs&t=15s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBLIUUodW8c

https://youtu.be/TKyfvVGfk4w?t=2m5s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZFJT-0kVlQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWuemnMRbiY&t=114s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auXOyYyrVL0

>>382231343
>>382231734
samefag

but anyways

>extends hitbox
that doesnt really matter when the only direction you can attack enemies from is the top since you are jumping on them
>gives brief invincibility
you are already basically invincible when jumping, and thats as any character, not just sonic.
>gives back air control from a roll jump
what did he mean by this?

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>>382230848
>>382231054
>>382231179
Sup?

>>382231734
>The Drop Dash fits Sonic a fuck ton more than the Insta-Shield.
>Casuals detected.
Uh what? Also, I know what it does, ya chucklefuck, I posted this too: >>382231343

>>382225771
Can we all just take a step back and look at all these sonic threads lately?

Why is there so much shilling? Why aren't the mods doing anything about it?

Enjoy your trash, 2Dfags.
While I'll be over here making my own character and saving the world with Sonic.

>>382231734
>can let you move in the air a bit more after using it, least useful feature but it is pretty cool
This is something every character can do after hitting jump while in the air. Sonic 1 and 2 made you commit into your jumps if you jumped while rolling on the ground, which sometimes led to shit like bouncing forever (until the timer runs out) on the bumpers in Metropolis Zone. In Sonic 3, you can control Sonic in the air like usual after pressing jump in midair even if you jumped out of a roll, while the other two characters also give control back to you by using their midair moves (flight/glide)

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>>382232092
I would give my left nut for Starry Night Zone's music to be in Sonic Mania.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuqRBy-Pv34

>>382232236
Casuals as in not knowing how to properly use the insta-shield. Why are you posting for both sides of the argument, anyway?

>Pay autistic fanboys peanuts to remake old game
>Equally autistic older fanbase will eat it up regardless of quality
I've got to hand it to Sega. It's like they finally figured out how to jew successfully, maybe a little Nintendo rubbed off on them.

>>382232182
>enemies
What about bosses above you that you can't reach otherwise?
>you are already basically invincible when jumping
Oh yeah, try jumping into spiked enemies or the Launch Base Orbinauts, see where that gets you.
>what did he mean by this?
In Sonic 1, 2 and 3&K roll on the ground and jump out of it. You won't have any control in the air.

>>382232182
>that doesnt really matter when the only direction you can attack enemies from is the top since you are jumping on them
Again, it sounds like you've never used it at all. It's useful for Eggman bosses that are just out of your reach with a normal jump and some enemies like orbinauts.
>you are already basically invincible when jumping
Not from spikes or projectiles or other attacks that still hurt you in ball form, genius.
>what did he mean by this?
The other anon explained it better than I did, it gives you back air control. This isn't that useful but there is a video that shows this trait being used to get you out of an otherwise impossible pit in Ice Cap between two pillars.

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>>382232283
Sure, go enjoy your sub-par Sonic Team garbo, boostbabby.

>>382232092
>sound effects sound horrible and obnoxious
>levels just look like bland ripoffs of levels that are already part of the classic games

That looks decent for a fangame but everyone that is trying to belittle sonic mania to just being a fangame are stupid. >>382232627

Yes, some of the devs of the game have been fans of the series since it started. but that doesnt make it just a fangame.

These are the guys who remade sonic 1, 2, and cd so well that even the head guys at sega acknowledged that they remade the game better than the originals were.

Plus, alot of the original devs of the classics are still working on it, like Iizuka. If Iizuka isnt happy with the quality of what they are making he makes them improve it. There is a quality filter to it still.

These guys have been wanting to work on sonic games since they were kids, and have had years, most likely decades of ideas in their heads.

Some of the devs of newer mario games were probably guys who grew up with mario as kids and wanted to work on mario games. does that mean that all of the new mario games are fan games too?

>>382232240
Yeah, seriously mods, what the fuck? Vidya isn't allowed on /v/.

>>382233140
>Some of the devs of newer mario games were probably guys who grew up with mario as kids and wanted to work on mario games. does that mean that all of the new mario games are fan games too?
Yes, only passionless drones are allowed to make video games, no fans no matter how talented or skilled ALLOWED.

>>382234123
>>382228434
beautiful

>>382233470
Not him but I don't get this post. Are you saying it's bad fans of said IP can't join X company to make more of said IP and only the original makers of said IP can only do it or am I looking at this wrong?

>>382232092
I hope Stealth finish Sonic Megamix after he done with Mania.

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>>382234262
I'm being sarcastic. It's phenomenal that Sega actually green lit Mania and allowed it to be developed by those those who are.

>>382234351
http://hcstealth.tumblr.com/post/146793972082/state-of-the-mix-address

>>382234351
He said he'll polish the parts that are done and release it to the public, he doesn't know how long it'll take but he's confident that he could do it by himself, since the rest of the Megamix Team went their own ways by now and there's no replacing them.

>>382225771
What the fuck is wrong with the rings when you lose them?

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>>382234662
That's because of the Combi-Ring from Knuckles' Chaotix.

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>>382226221
>>382227196
this is more than enough to be noticeable

>>382232092
Holy fuck I hate that sonic CD running animation so fucking much

>>382232240
https://boards.fireden.net/v/search/image/LC26ydzTUwoPz0RHDvZ5BQ/

I agree the threads are shilled but I'll excuse it because I really really want this game to do well enough to send those dumbfucks at Sega the message that people want more like this and less like Forces.

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>>382235192
But it looks amazing.

>>382235314
It looks ridiculous.
Ridiculous in a bad way, in case you had any doubt.

>>382235314
>The Mania sprite has the tip of the fingers cut off
This irks me to no end, it reminds me of how the SMW Mario sprite in Mario Maker has his feet cut-off. That better just be a shitty image & it's not like that in-game.

>>382235501
Looks normal in the debut trailer:

https://youtu.be/KxmtYdEWVzo?t=57s

>>382235501
It's just the person who made that image missing a few pixels.

>>382235772
>>382236058
Alright, good to hear/see then.

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I was wondering, since the Chemical Plant boss is a game of Puyo Puyo do you think that'll be a selectable mode in the Competition mode, similar to the Special Stages in the Sonic 2 one?

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Will we be getting any remixed Knuckle Chaotix levels?

>>382236610
I'd rather Taxman make a "Chaotix DX" that re-uses the level art, gimmicks etc. but all new level design and a less annoying Team gimmick.

>>382235474
CDs version is worse than Mania thou, at least the animation for Mania looks more polished than two frames per second you see in CD.

will taxman and stealth even be allowed to make fan games now? how will that work? because now in a way anything they make after mania that isnt greenlit by sega will still end up being connected to mania because they have the same devs.

>>382231343
Im going to be honest.. its pretty useless. Only thing I remember using it against were the black spinny badniks in launch base zone

>>382236610
No.

>>382225771
>green hill zone but in a desert
so this is the power of rom hacked level design...whoa

>>382237684
This isn't the Sonic Forces thread, sweetheart.

>>382237819
You're right, this is the sonic rom hack thread.

>>382237885
But it's not, honey. This is the Sonic Mania thread.

>>382238225
>But it's not, honey. This is the rom hack thread.
yeah thats what I said, learn to read.

>>382238319
>But it's not, honey. This is the Sonic Mania thread.
That's what was actually said, don't tell anyone else to learn how to read when you can't do it yourself, bunnyboo.

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>>382238319
>this 'rom hack' meme again
See>>382230708
>>382229741
>>382228434
>>382230708
>>382234465
>>382234123
>>382234737

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Where is she?

>>382238434
>But it's not, honey. This is the rom hack thread.
>That's what was actually said, don't tell anyone else to learn how to read when you can't do it yourself, bunnyboo.
???????????

So what exactly are they going to do for the Sonic 3 level that gets brought back in this game?

The Caterkillers from Angel Island Zone are in Chemical Plant now, so you would think that that de-confirms Angel Island. And I was under the impression that they can't bring back Carnival Night, Ice Cap, or Launch Base because of issues with the rights to the music. So that only leaves Hydrocity and Marble Garden Zone...

>>382237819
Is that you Cinnosu? Stop shitposting on 4chan and go finish Extended Edition you fuck.

>>382238713
>>382238434
get a room fags

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>>382238617
Gone.

>>382238319
It's not a rom hack, when will this meme die?

Mania's running on a (modified, updated?) version of taxman's Retro Engine, basically a implementation of the genesis sonic games physics and visuals for PC (That was later ported to phones and consoles).

>>382237684
please describe the features this has in common with GHZ without including features that aren't common across all 2D Sonic levels, thanks in advance

>>382238912
>the engine the game runs on determines if the level design is bad
>doesnt know the difference between rom hack and rom hacked level design
whoa

>>382238713
Still hallucinating words that are not there I see.

>>382238997
What's so bad about it?

>>382238761
>So that only leaves Hydrocity and Marble Garden Zone...
Incorrect, they can still remake the multiplayer stages like they wanted to for the Sonic 3 Remaster.

>>382238997
The engine the game runs on determines if it's a rom hack. Do you know what a rom hack is? You know it involves hacking a rom, yeah? If you want to say the level design is shit, start with that and you won't come across sounding so retarded.

>>382239045
its just green hill zone in the desert.

there really isnt anything new compared to the first level.

sonic 3 had constant introduction of new mechanics, new obstacles, new fucking ways to move (snowboard level).

this game is just the same shit over and over, reorganized.

thats what happens when you hire rom hack designers, you get rom hacked level design.

>>382239156
>retard cant read
woooooow

>>382238761
Hydrocity Zone is practically a given.

>it fills the water stage quota
>there's no legal troubles with the music
>it's a fan favorite
They'd have to be retarded to pick Angel Island or Marble Garden. inb4 Iizuka makes them do Angel Island.

>>382239186
So you didn't even look at a single gameplay video? Got it, time to ignore the rest of your shitposts.

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>someone competent at the game playing in a video
finally

>>382238997
Its status as a rom hack or game developed from scratch (As far as non visual aspects are concerned.) on a framework, and its level design, regardless of resemblance to level design from other games, have absolutely nothing to do with each other. How can you even equate the two?

>>382239352
>I don't like your opinion so you must not have watched the game

>>382239186
>its just green hill zone in the desert.
So then you can tell me what makes it just like GHZ then, right? Without mentioning Classic Sonic staples?

>>382239186
>THE GUN
>THE BARREL
>THE PINBALL BEAKS
>NOT NEW WAYS TO MOVE
t. a guy who didn't watch the video

Am I autistic for hating how Sonic still continues his run cycle when he's airborne? Shit don't look right..

Looks like a pretty cool game 2bh.

>>382239546
Those are all fairly derivative concepts compared to earlier titles

that said they sure as shit weren't in GHZ so that other guy's a fucking moron lmao

>>382225771
This game won't sell. Which won't matter, because it was probably cheap as shit to make and Sonic fans will jack it off no matter what.

>>382239583
What should he do then?

>>382239546
>gun
only decent one and its not that good, should at least have had targets to aim at somewhere.
>barrel
super shit, doesnt even move you just moves itself out of its way so you can keep going
>pinball beaks
why the fuck is that in a desert level? we've had those before in levels that they actually made sense.

>>382239671
It'll probably sell fine, it's a $20 Sonic game after all.

>>382239186
It has flippers, balloon-type obstacles you bounce off in the air, bouncy piano keys, spinning barrels that drop you to lower levels, gun launchers, sliding barstools, and paths you can make with faucets.

>>382239546
don't forget the water pistol and the stools
but shitposter-kun will say that those don't count because they suck

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>>382239437
Where is she?

>>382239758
and they all suck and/or copies of old mechanics, good job

>>382238560
This. Why cant people enjoy shit? God damn

>>382239878
>why cant people enjoy things they dont like
>why dont people like what I like
no idea.

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>>382239819
s-secret unlockable right? Taxman wouldn't diss amy, he likes CD....please, in the advance games she was fun to use

>>382239724
>why the fuck is that in a desert level?
why not? Why are you complaining about derivative level design if you want level mechanics to fit into your preconceptions?

>>382239840
Just like most of the stuff in Sonic 3, cool.

>he thinks that the snowboarding section in Ice Cap was good because it was a "new way to move" when it was just an on rails cinematic level opening where all you could do was jump to pick up rings before the real level started

lmao

>>382239546
>>382239758
Don't forget about the sand loop-de-loops that get destroyed/fall apart when you go through them.

>>382239840
Mechanics in Green Hill Zone, huh?

>>382240060
>why not?
not part of the theme, old sonic games had things that fit their level design, this game doesnt.

rom hacked trash.

>>382239671
>This game won't sell.
Stay delusional, boostbabby.

>>382239930
I mean why do people just shit on stuff cause ecksdee sonic is bad lul. What the fuck is saying "mania is a romhack" evem trying to prove? That you fucks cant make a legitimate argument against a god damn video thats not even out yet? Holy shit

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>>382239295

>music troubles

if there were legit legal troubles with the music from sonic 3, then why was sega allowed to re-release the game on the XBLA, PSN and wii virtual console with the same music intact? surely people are blowing that out of proportion.

>>382240161
>waaaah why isn't it just like the old gaaaames

>>382240176
>What the fuck is saying "mania is a romhack" evem trying to prove?
that its badly designed.

Would anyone be willing to donate copies of Sonic Boom to Chris-chan?

>>382240263
How?

>>382240263
you can't even back up your argument lmao

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>>382239930
>why people laugh at my retarded bait opinions?
kill yourself

>>382240161
It actually is apart of the theme. The stage is part desert, part bar essentially. It's why barrels & stools that you spin on are there. Some bars even have pinball machines so an eagle or hawk or whatever it is themed flipper makes sense.

>>382240310
every level is just green hill zone 2.0.

>>382240207
Because the music is probably already licensed for Sonic 3. The problem always comes up when they want to put it in other games.

Notice how Generations huge alternate music playlist conveniently avoided any of the "trouble" zones? I'm guessing it's trouble for Taxman to make S3K for mobile because it's not a direct port.

>>382240161
> old sonic games had things that fit their level design
*checkerboard cannon from oil ocen blocks your argument*

>>382240447
yeah, keep saying it dude, no need to make a coherent argument. Someone's bound to just believe you eventually.

>>382240427
>Some bars even have pinball machines so an eagle or hawk or whatever it is themed flipper makes sense.
>pinball machines existed in the 1800s
find a wild west themed bar with a pinball machine and you might have a point.

>>382240161
How did the pulleys you had to pump to ascend in Mushroom Hill fit the theme? How did the vertical slingshots in Ice Cap fit the theme?

>>382240447
How?

>>382239681
falling while preparing to land instead of running in thin air

>>382240025
No she wasnt, I'm tired of Amyfags thinking her shitty Advance gameplay should taint something as good as mania

I love how this idiot doesn't even have any arguments, he's just repeating the same thing over and over.

>>382240543
the pulleys in Mushroom Hill actually fit more of a gameplay theme with the rest of the level than they do an aesthetic one, but I don't think that's his point because he's a dipshit who doesn't know what he's talking about

>>382240769
but muh rumhack, its all green hill zone 2

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>>382240483

okay, that makes sense. hopefully this isn't actually the case and a repeat for mania, I'd really love to see one of those zones with that music here....

>>382240726
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it shouldn't be there. That's like me saying I don't like how Knuckles plays so he shouldn't be in the game.

If you don't like playing as Amy, here's a smart idea, don't play as her. The 2D games aren't like the 3D ones, they don't force you to play styles you don't like.

>>382240207
Because those aren't remakes, just emulations of the original.

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>>382236610
This, many times this. And also fix the color palette so that the backgrounds don't look insane. Match it to the Sonic palette but then have the colors correct on Knuckles and the other sprites.

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>>382240726

oh fuck you man, Amy's advance gameplay is the one time that substantially deviating from the standard 2d sonic gameplay worked out somewhat well.

>>382241110
It was terrible in the first game, where they made her run at a snail's pace.

In 2 and 3, they actually gave her a decent running speed.

Sonic Mania will turn into Knuckles Chatoix for one level, and you'll have to pick a partner with a giant machine to connect the ring pulley system thing with.

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>>382240913
She shouldn't be there because she was never playable until after the classic games were done with.

Hell I'd love if my favourite character got in, but I know theres no way in hell they'd use him for whats essentially a real sonic 4
>>382241110
Fuck you. Amyfags should be gassed

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SAGE 2017 has finally been confirmed.

http://forums.sonicretro.org/index.php?showtopic=36856&pid=897338&st=0&#entry897338

Can't wait for that new Overture and hopefully Utopia demo.

>>382241228
>because she was never playable until after the classic games were done with
I don't see how that's a legitimate reason.

There's nothing plot related stopping Classic Amy from being playable.

>>382240924
I get >>382240483 but I don't see how >>382240924 makes sense. Isn't it the same game?

>>382241228
>she was never playable until after the classic games were done with.
Drift 2, R and the Fighters say hi.

>>382241361
How about the fact that she's shit?

>>382240543
I think it's just bars in general and not one in a specific time frame but if it is, fair point. I still think it's fitting though due to it being a hawk beak, it's like it's opening it's mouth when used.

>>382241404
Amy should drive her car in Mania as well.

>>382241404
>All shit spinoffs
>Classic

>>382241402
It's a gray area kinda thing. A remake on a new engine would be technically a new game.

>>382241451
Even the mechanic of a pinball flipper makes no sense in a wild west level.

They tried to make it fit for some reason but failed, its just rom hacked trash.

>>382241492
They're pre-Adventure, so yes, they're part of the classic series.

>>382241584
I think they made it work due to what it's themed as.

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>>382241414
How about the fact that you should go fuck yourself and stop being mad at a possible OPTIONAL character.

>>382241647
>recolor the pinball flipper
>LOL IT WORKS IN ANY LEVEL NOW
nah

>>382240310
I can't speak for anyone else but my problem is that it's yet another Sonic game to recycle the same levels with only the bare minimum in terms of updates.

You go into the caves of Green Hill Zone, okay, we already did that in Generations. Junk piles in Flying Battery, who fucking cares? Did they just throw in the first idea they came up with?

Chemical Plant looks decent, but couldn't they have had the balls to make it *look* a little different? Different colors, or have it take place later at night so everything is dark?

If the revealed zones' ratio of old to new levels wasn't 2 to 1, then I might be singing a different tune. It just kind of looks like more of Generations style bullshit.

Those animated cutscenes would have been nice to have in the game, too.

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>people genuinely think Classic Amy won't be in this game

oh you sweet, sweet summer children


age of 'feminism' etc, see Crash HD. Even if your game is about furry little cute creatures, having no females is seen as a bad mark, this game will feature some form of female playable character.

>>382241650
Because every fucking Mania has retards like you posting about Amy. It's just as bad as Persona 5 threads talking about the eventual rerelease having a retarded FemMC option

>>382241696
They redesigned it, not just recolored it and it works well with the rest of the mechanics added to the level, so yeah.

>>382241696
>WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH
yeah dude keep whining eventually it'll make sense

>>382241773
>They redesigned it
its still a pinball flipper, dumbass.

>>382241804
So? What's your point?

Why are you guys arguing over a pinball flipper. I hate this site

>>382241874
that you're wrong and a pinball flipper has no place in a wild west bar.

i can't wait for you rom hack faggots to lose the one job you've managed to get by some miracle.

>>382241890
>>382240769
summerfag doesnt know how to reply to other posts

>>382241804
and? Lava reef has flamethrowers (in a mine?), that have been in several zones, even in the same game, just recolored for this zone. S&K is just romhacked thrash

>>382242037
>Lava reef has flamethrowers
>lava level has fire related obstacles
WHOA HOLY SHIT

>>382241752
>retarded FemMC option
keyword option, if it really offends you that much then play the three other characters.

>>382242131
>bar level has pinball machine
STOP THE FUCKING PRESSES THEY ARE NOT FITTING REEEEEEEEE
fuck off autist, go cry that you are not getting adventure 3

>>382242037
lava reef is one of the best zones desu. that music is probably the best zone music in sonic and knuckles
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pg0N77nI_OI&t=3s

>>382241927
>Original combinations of ideas? In MY Sonic game? I'll put a stop to this!!

>>382242251
I mean feel free to buy sonic mania if you like levels that make absolutely no sense, nobody is stopping you.

Something tells me you dont make a successful game by only having the faggot game devs buy it though.

>>382226906
Anyone else that really loves that song?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxmtYdEWVzo&feature=youtu.be&t=55

>>382232627
That one salty as fuck retard that appears in every thread on /v/ just to talk shit and not back it up with reasons

>>382241751
I hate that, Amy isn't just a female character she's a character in her own right that I'd love to see but fuck these dumb ass quotas. Same for Coco, I don't care that we got a female playable character, I just liked Coco from 2/3 and think it's cool you can use her for platforming now.

Fuck quotas.

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>>382242339
you make it successful by having the press and 90% of the classic fanbase buzz it positively, thanks to imaginative new concepts, and pissing off autist like you

>arguing over something so insignificant as a pinball flipper
Feels like I'm actually on Sonic Retro.

>>382242343
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EsJd9iLZSE

I was looking forward to this until I saw the video, holy shit, they ruined it.

There's a part where Sonic kills an enemy while running on air, which is disgusting. And then there's shit like the massive rings so casuals can't ever die.

>>382231734
I've said it before and I'll say it again. It's hardly used. Boss fights? C'mon that's like 5% of the game, who cares. The real fun with sonic in 3&K was with the shield power ups anyways.

>>382242438
you're not the market they're trying to please. your opinion doesn't matter, they're appeasing the small crowd who are screaming for it. and will go batshine insane if they dont, screaming sexist when they can't play there pink hedgehog, because the way to be a true feminist, is to make sure you can play as a female

in a video game.

...about cute hedgehogs.

>>382242615
good luck with that retard.

cant wait to hear the excuses as to why both sonic mania and sonic forces failed horribly.

>b-b-b-b-b-but it was inspired by sonic generation and that sold millions!

>>382241986
Lmao what?

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>>382242653
Holy shit!
Thank you!

>>382242663
you die to bottomless pits and crush deaths in sonic, not losing all your rings

>>382242676
And I'll say it again, just because you didn't know how to use it and barely used it doesn't make they true for other people.

Besides, this is pointless anyway. I'm sure they'll include the insta-shield in some way whether as an option in the options menu, or a cheat code/debug code, or as Amy's ability

>>382241986
>summerfag gives free (You)s away just because he doesn't know better
Here, I'll give you this one since you're clearly new here

>>382242849
And I didn't see either of those in this video.

>>382242663
Are you talking about if a character has 50 rings, then they drop 5 big rings worth 10 rings each?
Because that's a powerup that comes from Knuckles Chaotix, not a thing that's there all the time.

>>382242893
>doesn't make they true for other people.
It absolutely does if it was only used on bosses and one specific enemy type you dill. I'd rather have a move that lends itself to the stage gameplay than the bosses for fucks sake.

>>382242989
GHZ, Marble Zone, Springyard Zone, and Labyrinth Zone all lack bottomless pits (barring maybe a tiny chunk of act 3 in GHZ?). I wouldn't really expect early zones to have bottomless pits, and Sonic games are insanely casual to begin with.

>>382242663
>There's a part where Sonic kills an enemy while running on air, which is disgusting.
Those weren't enemies, those were bumper-like things that Sonic CD had in Collision Chaos.

>And then there's shit like the massive rings so casuals can't ever die.
That's from the Combi-Ring power from Knuckles' Chaotix. They actually nerfed it a bit compared to that game since in that game it was 1 big ring as opposed to a few medium sized rings.

>>382242663
Those giant rings were from a power up you fucking retard.

pee pee poo poo fuck you you

>>382242679
But it's wrong. It's regressive. Quotas are not the answer.

>>382235192
Yeah, I kind of would have preferred staying with his regular running animation cycling faster at higher speeds. I can see why it was cut from Sonic 2.

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>>382237684
>>382239186
>its just green hill zone in the desert
More like Collision Chaos in the desert

>>382243362
>Springyard Zone
Spring Yard Zone has a bottomless pit before it's boss in Act.3 actually.

PSA: Anyone who likes 3D Sonic games also enjoys consuming fecal matter.
Thank you.

>>382243674
Oh, my mistake then. They're sparse, nonetheless.

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SAGE Expo in 3 months

>>382242653
Thanks I was looking for it too

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>>382241247
OH SHIT NEW OVERTURE

>>382243794
Did you actually play any of them or do you get all your knowledge of Sonic from Egoraptor?

>>382241727
>It just kind of looks like more of Generations style bullshit.
Except, you know, Mania play doesn't play like complete shit like Generations and Forces are.

>>382244959
I played the Adventure games, they were incredibly mediocre yet seems to be something every keeps hoping for a sequel of.
Boost to win is also a shit mechanic for literal artists who want to see colors go by really fast.

>>382245138
>Boost to win is also a shit mechanic for literal artists who want to see colors go by really fast.

Not him but boost started in a 2D Sonic game. It's not something 3D exclusive.

>>382242663
>so casuals can't ever die.
Even if you had normal rings you'd never die.

>>382245097
Oh no, I kind of agree with you there, I've never been crazy about how post-Unleahsed games played, but if I want to play a decent traditional Sonic game then I'll play one of the many traditional Sonic games that are already out.

>>382245201
I'm aware.
I didn't play the 2d Sanics after Sonic Advance 1 which was a solid game overall.

>>382245495
Yeah, all five of them not counting Mania, even then like half of them pale in comparison to it.

>>382241727
>Junk piles in Flying Battery, who fucking cares?
We haven't seen Flying Battery Act 2. We already knew act 1's aren't much new and that Taxman said GHZ is the tamest remake.

>>382245495
What is a "traditional" Sonic game?
Sonic 1-3+K era was only a 4-5 year period out of Sonic's 25+ year lifespan.

That's how bad Sonic's legacy has been since then that the "golden" age of Sonic ended 20 years ago.
Occasionally you'd get a solid game like Advance, but generally they were mediocre at best with half baked ideas.


"What is a Sonic game?" Is something that SEGA themselves seem to struggle with because they try the same broken thing over and over again rather than revisiting the games that were actually good. Fucking hell, when they did finally revisit with Sonic 4, they made one of the worst 2D platformers I'd ever played.

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>>382241727
Act 1s are the tamer remixes while the act 2s are basically brand new zones all together.

>>382245138
I think most people just enjoy Adventure on a conceptual level and find it more interesting than any of the modern games, even if it is wonky as fuck to play today.

>>382246061
Remember when they said Green Hill Act 1 would be the tamest level? And now it's every Act 1 that's the tamest? I want to love this game but as we get closer to release, it just keeps ending up not as original as I thought it would be.

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>>382246639
>Act 1s are both acts of the original zone compiled into one act
>Act 2 is actually an entirely new and original act

No, this way beats the old theory that the Act 2s in Mania would just be wilder remixes of the Act 2s of their original zones. It means Manias Act 2s are going to be batshit insane, if Chemical Plant is anything to go by. Green Hill probably has bits of Act 3 in its Mania Act 2 only because Sonic 1 had 3 acts rather than 2.

>>382246639
There is no contradiction.
GHZ is the tamest zone, not act, where act II just adds caves and pulleys. Then every zone follows the pattern
>Act I remix
>Act II reimagining
but every time going more curazeyy. Just look at all the addition to CPZ act II compared to lol pulleys. And how they didn't show the boss to CPZ either, not even the miniboss

>>382245917
The classic games + CD, some of the Game Gear games, the first two Advance games. The Sonic and Shadow parts of Sonic Adventure and Tails in SA1 uphold *some* elements of a quintessential Sonic game. ShtH does too but there's way too much bullshit to really notice.

As well as rom hacks like Megamix.

If Sonic Team and Sega truly knew what they were doing then it wouldn't be that hard to figure out how to make a decent Sonic game true to its roots, I don't know why it has to be such an arduous task. To be fair, Mania looks to be the closest we've gotten in a long time. If only it had some substance to stand on its own like the Advance games.

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I don't see Amy being playable in Chaotix, at least with her Advance moveset, because it kind of goes against Sonic's "one action button" shtick. The best you should hope for is a small cameo or two.

>>382249112
>Chaotix
Shit, I meant Mania.

>>382249112
Or they could give her a mid-air hammer swing that acts exactly like the insta-shield.

>>382242653
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ir9M2lMpELQ

>>382231734
>I want to cheat on an already piss easy game

Shut the fuck up. Drop dash is way more useful in terms of gameplay than any of that bullshit you point it out.

>>382247383
>Talking as if the Advance games standout in anyway at all
Jesus christ just off yourself.

>>382247383
I think Mania will stand on its own whether playing casually or speed running it.

The old Sonic games were all about preserving momentum when possible, the drop dash is an awesome mechanic that will assist in that immensely.
The game has bosses at the end of each act as well, many of which are using some new mechanics we haven't seen before.

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>>382225771
i'm not liking the dropdash
there's always been this whole thing about 2d sonic games where "momentum is earned"
this is just another way to shit on that

>>382249309
>>382249112
How would Amy play in Mania? Hammer insta-shield is a good idea. She can jump in a spin attack and roll, but can't Spin Dash. Combined with the insta-shield hammer, she's the hard mode for technical/skilled players.

>>382250839
Alternatively we could just not play as her. She has never been interesting in the first place.
:^)

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>>382251158
That's cause Sonic was never good.

pic related, it's me and my alien

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>>382225771
wait, someone who actually KNOWS what they're doing is playing? that's not right, get this guy outta here

>>382239437
EGGY A CUTE. A CUTE!!

>>382249112
That would probably be better.

>>382244645
interestingly, both overture and utopia have the same development team.

>>382250838
So does the spin dash. I just don't use them, they're usually not necessary to progress and the drop dash will probably never be actually needed.

>>382250838
The drop dash helps for those areas where you simply can't maintain momentum.
There are plenty of instances.

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>p-pinball flippers don't feel right in a desert stage!
>muh realism in my pinball platformers with loop de loops everywhere!

>>382236610
To think Chaotix could've been really sweet with all this awesome level art. Taxman needs to get his hands on this

>>382241752
But 3 and 4 did just that.

>>382250838
Couldn't you say the same of the spin dash?
Drop dash forces you into rolling which isn't always advantageous for building and maintaining speed and it's strictly inferior to the spindash if you just want to build up quick speed from a standstill. It looks like more of a way to keep up speed while navigating trickier parts of stages, it doesn't feel abusable to me.

>>382252572
It'a for those instances where you have to jump over a rock(costing momentum) or use a spring to get up a vertical hill(which kills momentum).
It can also be used for small pieces of land. The spin dash can't be used while moving.

>>382238617
who cares?

>>382252390
B-b-b-b-but it's a ROMHACK NOT A REAL GAME
Christian Whitehead is just a GLORIFIED ROMHACKER he doesnt know how to do a real game guys!
And there's three times as many old zones and they're all ECAXTLY THE SAME
wtf Sega what is wrong with you paying fans money for their rom hacked game
They should've only made Forces, I literally can't stop jerking my cock raw imagining playing as my original character, Bloldsteel the Hedgehog

>>382252390
Delete that gif

>>382253017
>implying Forces isn't a Generations romhack

>>382252890
I can't tell if you're agreeing with me or not lol
It's pretty clear that the drop dash and spindash are both valid movement options with distinct situations to use them in

>>382226221
This is still the October 2016 build

>>382240913
she's just the damsel desu

>>382253017
i know these posts are a parody at this point, but the game really could have used new zones entirely instead of having more than half of it being copy pasted classic remixed zones.

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>>382236610
I'd love to see that. Marina Madness or Amazing Arena especially. Thinking about it, the Chaotix had some pretty cool abilities.
>Espio could walk/run on walls the ceiling and if he was at max speed his head would become a hitbox destroying all enemies that made contact with it
>Vector had a multi-directional air dash and could climb walls
>Mighty could fucking wall jump
It's a shame we probably won't see any of them back in playable fashion, especially Espio.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAyDGWOooas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJiS1WOvY8o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zd8JaDcqTcI

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>>382253361
If we didn't get "copy pasted" classic Zones, the amount of new content wouldn't be any bigger.

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>>382231179
>The insta shield wasnt good enough.
Pleb detected

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>>382254139

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>>382254258

>>382254115
And i'd be fine with that. I'm going to try to ignore the classic zones whenever i replay mania.
Those level changes are literally romhack tier

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>>382252408
>4
Female protag was a 3 Portable exclusive, though

>>382250838
No worse than the Spindash, which is also fine.

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>>382243508
there's that popular tumblr suffix, "gressive"

>>382255150
Regressive is a real word though.

>>382232357
>tfw SonicTweaker the one who arranged this tune fucked a kid/is a pedo who went to jail

>>382255239
I know?

>>382254430
The entire game is "romhack tier", in the sense that for the last 20 years romhacks have come closer than anything else to being legitimate followups to the classic gameplay. Only romhacks have consistently displayed appropriate physics. Only romhacks have made sensible expansions on the roster. Only romhacks have given us what we actually wanted: more of what 1, 2, CD, and 3K already gave us.

So now a game like Mania is coming out, and it actually looks like an honest to god followup to the classic gameplay. Of COURSE it looks like a romhack, because only romhacks have ever come this close to being a worthy successor to the original games. Being "like a romhack" in this sense is nothing less than a badge of honor.

The only difference is that this "romhack" has a budget, is built from the ground up, is officially licensed, and could possibly serve to further cement the dev team's ability to make a fully original game.

But no, it's apparently a "romhack", in a negative way, because we're revisiting familiar locations. Nevermind the improved visuals, significant level design overhauls, remixed music, etc., because the NAME. I guess Generations and Forces are romhacks too. Super Metroid is a romhack of the first Metroid. Fable II is a romhack of Fable.

Sonic 4's off the hook though, because it changed the names.

>>382254368
I love it. Even more on the last boss

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>>382256089
This guy gets it.

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>>382235192
>>382235474
>hating figure 8
get out you casual

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>>382256089
savage

>>382255150
Isn't it just an English word that means something specific? Am I missing something? Because I don't really fuck with tumblr.

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>>382239186
>new fucking ways to move (snowboard level).
Nigger we both know that was just a glorified cutscene

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Somebody screen cap this post: >>382256089

>>382256089
aaand game.

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>>382258558
Done.

>>382254139
>>382254258
>>382254368
>These mundane i-frames on shit you're not gonna be in the way in in the first place
I'll admit the fire one is cool, but the rest are practically worthless.

>>382260546
You'd be surprised how handy it is when you're going fast through a level, it can really help maintain your pace. I'm fine with the Drop Dash replacing it though, it seems like an equally cool mechanic to me.

>>382240543
>find a wild west themed bar with a pinball machine
Are you retarded? Pinball cabs were common in Saloons long before video games were even invented

>>382241613
They're not main-series/canon games so they're irrelevant.

>>382241650
No fuck you. Amy sucks and you suck too. Eat a dick retard.

>>382241727
>we already did that in Generations
We already DID in Master System/Game Gear

>>382261460
>moving the goal post

>>382242339
When have Sonic levels made sense?
Why is there a Beybalde Spinning Top in Marble Garden for example? I guess Sonic 3 is romhacked trash now too right?

>>382242679
Except Amy hasn't even been mentioned at all so cry more Amyfag.

>>382243362
GHZ has bottomless pits in Act 2 and 3
They're not offensive though

>>382263106
>a worthy successor to the classic series
>and a romhack

>>382263414
Since when was Sonic 4 a romhack?

>>382245502
I wish somebody fixed Advance 2's physics and level design. It had potential but Dimps fucked it up.

>>382247383
>the first two Advance games
No
Advance 1 played like the classics but 2 didn't

>>382263812
The physics were fine in that game, Advance 3 on the other hand...

>>382250838
Meh there's downtime before using the dropdash unlike the spamdash in Generations where you could abuse it by pressing the spindash button

>>382260546
>said the plebshitter
kek

Does Sonic have the Insta-shield from 3 in Mania? It was really the only reason to play him over Tails and Knuckles in 3.

>>382264307
no, drop dash replaces it.

>>382264307
It got replaced by the Drop Dash.

>>382256089
SO ISTHIS WHAT LOOKS LIKE WHEN SOMEONE GOES NUCLEAR?

>>382234756
needs after images or some kind of stretch desu

>>382231734
Insta shield is way better once you know how to use it, true facts. The use wasn't put into the manual very well.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jV4WrCW-5Lw

LIGHTS
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>>382239819
The problem with Classic Amy is that her design is so similar to Sonic, her modern design is honestly much better.

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>>382264196
>y-you just don't know how to use it right
Okay. Keep pretending it's worth a shit outside of shitting on already easy bosses.

>>382265291
This game is going to be so good.

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>>382251368
Can your alien fuck off back to Quarkzia so you can marry JonTron?

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This map isn't even complete. Honestly these """recycled""" level complaints sound so fucking uninformed.

>>382251696
Half true. Some of the members are shared.

>>382263950
No they weren't

>>382265983
It's not my fault you suck anon
The insta-shield is for "Advanced Players Only" not for scrubs like you

>>382268035
What was wrong with them then?

Why do autists love Sonic so much Ive never understood.

>>382268197
They didn't feel like the classic physics at all for one. Obviously they were going for a different gameplay style for Advance 2.

>>382268321
What felt off about them? Because they were the same as in Advance 1.

>>382268301
Why do you keep asking the same question over and over in every single Sonic thread without fail?

>>382268301
He's fun sometimes, what's there to understand?

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>>38225608
Fucking amazing screen cap this fucking post

>>382269539
>Post deleted
Hmmm really make you think

>>382269840
It wasn't deleted, the Anon accidentally deleted 1 number at the end is all.

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About to play the fuck out of Crash HD while waiting for Mania. God damn platformers are back and it is god tier

>>382270031
Damn dude my b

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>>382270217
>Sonic Mania
>Metroid Samus Returns
>Cuphead
>Super Mario Odyssey
>Freedom Planet 2
>Indivisible
>Bloodstained

>>382230554
The instashield was incredibly overpowered and trivialized all the boss battles. It was fun to learn how to use but now I have to disable it with romhacks to really enjoy S3K. Im glad its not in.

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Can someone post that video of Sonic rolling down a hill and up a loop in Sonic 1/2/3/Generations (and failing to do so in that last game)? I need it for a friend and didn't save the link.

No Spring Yard Zone with Bobby Brown music. Not buying. Also Forces is gonna be the better game.

>>382271325
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R16IBC_kD5o&index=2&list

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>>382271358
>Also Forces is gonna be the better game.
This isn't a LOL thread.

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>>382271395
Exactly what I was looking for, thanks a ton anon.

>>382271358
>Also Forces is gonna be the better game.
Highly doubt it >>382233081

>>382233081
>>382271661
>Suddenly caring how game "journalists" feel.

>>382271742
>Suddenly
Anon, we both fucking know /v/ is back & forth on this, so I'm going to take advantage of that image. Also fuck "journalism", if there's a sign that more people are enjoying Mania than Forces then that's the important part to me.

>>382271742
Everyone feels the same.

>>382271358
>Forces is gonna be the better game
So are you from /sthg/, the SA3 Facebook page, or the "True Sonic Spirit" Youtube channel?

Can't I be excited for both, or does literally everything on 4chan have to be black vs. white?

>>382272483
yes and yes

>>382232092
>sonic cd sfx
no thanks

>>382272483
You can be excited for both. I just don't understand what reason there could be to be excited for Forces.

>>382272996
If I list out each reason you're going to vehemently nitpick and sideswipe them for the sake of bias so what's the point in explaining?

>>382232092
the biggest flaw of megamix is how easy it is to trivialize by just mashing the jump button

>>382268579
>Because they were the same as in Advance 1.
THEY WERE NOT. NOT EVEN CLOSE!
FUCK YOU!!!
You're the same fucking retard who posts this meme on Sonic Threads aren't you? Why don't you fucking kill yourself?

>>382273239
I mean I'll explain why they don't apply to me (if they don't), but that won't mean that they can't apply to you.

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>>382273348
>>382273348
shit wrong image

>>382272404
The SA3 Facebook shits on everything.

>>382271742

What has Forces even shown to get remotely excited over? By its own merits it has not shown that it is a significant improvement from Generations. Primarily in the level design department.

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>>382273508
>le reaction image comeback because he can't refute my post xD
Go back too >>>/r/eddit/

>>382273585
What's there to refute? You never gave any examples of how it's different besides "they are because they are".