>main game is trash >DLC is godlike Any other examples?

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>>382214092
Yeah, your mum. Except she's still trash the second time round.

>>382214092
>pic not related

>>382214092
Did they completely revamp the combat? If not then it's still shit

>>382214345
No, but at least bosses are more challenging and can't be beaten by simply spamming strong attack + backstep repeatedly.

>>382214345
>muh combat

Is that a Dark Souls reference?

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>>382214092
Dragon Age Inquisition
Neverwinter Nights
Neverwinter Nights II though in this case the main game is decent, just not as good as its expansion

>>382214092
Far Cry 3

What's the difference between a DLC and an expansion?

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>>382214682
>Dragon Age Inquisition
nope not even close biodrone

>>382214421
Killing stuff is the meat of the gameplay, prove me wrong.

>>382214682
>Neverwinter Nights
A dance with rogues is fantastic I agree.

>>382214874
>he hasn't even played the game

>>382215197
Hordes of the Underdark is great, too.
ADwR is unironically the best rogue campaign ever made

>>382214938
>killing stuff is the meat of gameplay

In a Fighting game. Not in an RPG.

>>382214092
>Phoenix Wright Dual Destinies
>Fire Emblem Fates, if you bought Conquest as DLC
>SFV when you get Kolin and it almost fees like you are playing a good game
>All the Civilization games

>>382214092
borderlands 2

FFXV

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>>382214092
true DLCOTY

>>382215384
It's an action RPG, and you're not playing the game by listening to dialogue.

>>382214526
This is the ultimate example.

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The Old Hunters DLC from Bloodborne is literally perfect when compared to the main game.

Even the worst boss is better than most of the main game bosses.

The weapons are fun and more creative than the ones in the main game. Pizza Cutter, Moonlight sword, you name it.

The areas are beautifull and a lot of thought was put into their design. The river of blood, the hospital and the fisher's village are probably my favorite areas of the game.

>>382215510
>you're not playing the game by listening to dialogue

Yes you fucking are. That's why every RPG has you go from town to town listening to dialogue instead of just ushering you from fight to fight like in a Fighting game.

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>>382214345
It's not even that bad though

>>382215415
fucking wrong holy shit

Borderland 2 DLC is boring meme garbage. Never played the Tina one but everything before that was just more of the same shit just with reskinned enemies. wew

>>382215510
lol

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>>382214092
Pretty ironic that it's the opposite of the first game.

>>382215613
>Yes you fucking are.
No, you're enjoying an audiobook. "Gameplay" essentially is a set of explicit and implicit win and lose conditions, as well as optional unrelated stuff a player can do for recreation purposes that has no effect on whether you win the game or lose the game. It is the main aspect that separates the videogames medium from the rest, and its most characterizing feature is interactivity. Dialogue can exist as a complimentary factor to gameplay and affect it, and vice versa is also true, certain gameplay decisions can have their effect on your dialogue options, however it is impossible to make a game that consists exclusively of dialogue without implementing certain gameplay aspects into it. A game that simply consists out of different dialogue choices could hardly be called a game, since it functionally would hardly be different from "choose your own adventure" books. However, making a game that consists exclusively of bloodshed and fighting is entirely within the realms of possibility, in fact there are many such examples, and some are even praised as one of the best videogames in history.
Here is a shitty food analogy since we all love those: dialogue is garnish, combat/puzzles/racing/whatever is the meat.

>>382216451
lmao nah

>>382214189
Kek

>>382214092
If we're including expansions, Rise of Rome for AoE I added in a lot of interface changes

>>382216451
>However, making a game that consists exclusively of bloodshed and fighting is entirely within the realms of possibility

No one would play any RPG other than Dark Souls if it consisted of nothing but Bloodshed and Fighting. Not Breath of Fire. Not Planescape Torment. Not Final Fantasy, 7 or otherwise. The "meat" of those games is the character and world interaction while if anything the filler is the grinding.

Once that falls to shit they end up irrelevant like Final Fantasy now is.

>>382216451
>A game that simply consists out of different dialogue choices could hardly be called a game

A game that consist out of different dialogue choices is an Adventure game or Text Adventure.

>>382214827
>DLC
You download it, it's a bit of content usually put within the existing game world, like new items and gear or horse armor.
>expansion
It expands the game beyond its current setting, usually a new area, new characters and questlines. The amount of content would be comparable to a double digit percentage of the main game.

>>382214092
I'll go with dark souls 2
I like the whole thing, but to deny the game's quality peak during the DLCs compared to the rest of the game would be retarded

>>382217513
>No one would play any RPG other than Dark Souls if it consisted of nothing but Bloodshed and Fighting
>Diablo & countless diablolikes
>DCSS & various roguelikes
>pretty much all of dragons dogma
>the entire Monster Hunter series

>>382214092
>Trash
It's a million times better than Breath of the Wild

>>382218107
Correction then. No would play most RPGs if they consisted of nothing but bloodshed and fighting. Final Fantasy has the best fighting system it has ever had but no one cares.

>>382218260
>Correction then. No would play most RPGs
Why are you allowed to repeat your point as if the amount I listed was not enough? The amount of combat-driven action RPGs is just as vast, if not larger, than those which are story-driven, mainly because making a good, elaborate combat system can be easier than getting your hands on a decent writer. And the total amount of all combat-based games completely overwhelms those which focus on character and world interaction.
Hell, this is not as relevant, but most such RPGs can trace their roots to D&D, and D&D at its core is simply a guideline to carnage based on warhammer.

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>>382214092
Dark Souls 2.

Any of the DLCs.

Dishonored 1

>>382218218
Gotta love how defensive Witcher shills get over BOTW, even when it's not even mentioned anywhere in the thread
How does it feel being a shittier game than critically acclaimed 97% score masterpiece with more GOTY nominations than shit slavs pushed out?

>>382218960
>Why are you allowed to repeat your point as if the amount I listed was not enough?

Because its true? And that statement about Final Fantasy is undeniably true. The most prominent RPG franchises, most of which have long utilized random encounters and turn based combat, have never had combat systems that have even touched the most pedestrian of fighting games and the most acclaimed titles are acclaimed because they excel at things things other than combat. You think there's a chance of anyone playing Planescape Torment's or Elder Scroll's or Gothic's combat competitively like with any FPS? And yet the first of these, two decades later, is regarded as one of the greatest RPGs ever made. Combat in RPGs is called "grinding" because most of the time it's not the meat of the game.

GTA IV

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Witcher 3 has the best and most satisfying combat outside of the FPS genre. Prove me wrong.

Dishonored.
I mean I think vanilla TW3 was great and I loved vanilla Dishonored too, but the DLCs are so much better.

>>382219863
>even on death march you get extremely OP around level 15-20
>sword swing registers a hit (rumble + sound) when you hit enemy during iframes, while not dealing any damage
>every monster fight is step left/back, then heavy attack
>all wraiths die to moon dust + light attack spam
>sidestepping has iframes as generous as Automata's perfect dodge
Go away, shill.

>>382219863
Combat is the worst part of the game, though.
>most effective way to kill anything is spam heavy attack until they block your hits
>otherwise spam dodges/rolls/parries if enemy turns red

>>382214345
yeah they completely redid the entire combat system because life failures like you have been complaining about it without even explaining why its bad on a chinese cartoons forum
now youre going to post one of the two cherry picked webms
must be hard not liking nice things but i guess you have to go against the current if you want keep the snowflake delusion going

>>382221175
1800-BUTT-HURT

>>382214092
>main game is trash

Says who?

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>>382221691
I do. What are you going to do about it, bitch? Huh? Though so.

>>382219863
*witcher 2

>>382219863
*dragon's dogma

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>>382214345
lol

ANYONE WHO CRIES ABOUT THE COMBAT IN THREE, YOU PRETTY MUCH JUST 100% CONFIRMED YOU NEVER PLAYED THE FIRST WITCHER GAME, WITH THE CLICKING COMBAT. OFF YOURSELF KID.

>>382222472

so the combat isn't shit because the combat of an older game is even more shit? you need medication guy

>>382222472
>other thing is bad so that means this thing is good
listen you literal child, i played in before w3 and i hated that too, w3 is less bad but that doesn't mean it's good

GTA IV

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>>382222571
combat in a all 3 are fine. obviously the first game is the worst though. guy

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>>382222689
update this 4 me bruv