Stop using Cloud to win.

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>>382188293
>tfw beating a cloud-shitter online with jigglypuff
>taunt after each kill

Why do people get mad at Cloud?

>>382188524
Pay to win obviously.

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>tfw gimping Clouds with fruit

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Daily reminder

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That'd be implying I play the Smash he's in to begin with.

>>382188524
Ike's range/power with speed, projectiles and limit-break specials.

Cloud, Corrin and Bayo have gotten a lot of flak as pay2win since their release (at least for casual-play, top-tier competitive is still all about ZSS and Sheik fags).

>>382188685
where is Villager mang

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Stop out-ranging me

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>>382188685
>tfw Grenny main

>>382188865
mario is plenty fast to make up for it though. If it was DR Mario then I would agree.

I thought it was the neatest shit when Cloud and Bayo got added, but now all I want is Smash 5 so that they'll (hopefully) be gone.
They aren't even fun to watch lose.

>>382188685
wheres ike

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>>382188685
fuck cloud

high IQ reporting in

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>>382188685
Ignore this trash, take a peek at the real list.

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>>382188685
>Ganon is low IQ
>Captain Falcon is average IQ

>>382188685
>no ike anywhere
guess im super transcendant iq

>>382189035
>tr4sh
>execution

ROB is the most honorable pick.

>>382189052

Hello Hugh.

>Tfw I main Cloud and Ryu.

>>382189035
>Ness
>requires decent knowledge and execution
Good joke.

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Staaaahhhp camboing me

>>382189249
That's bullshit and you know it.

Reminder Ganon isn't honest no matter how much you may insist he is.

>>382189012
Stylin'

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>>382189210
>tfw most people I know IRL who worship Melee and trash 4 are just incapable of beating out defensive follow-up prediction instead of surefire combos

>>382189401
What does Melee have to do with this thread?

Fuck off Meleefag.

>>382188685


Big coincidence that a good majority of masochist characters are at the bottom

>>382189035
>implying Darth Pit isn't a brainlet pick

>>382188293

I really gotta respect people who still main Ike after the coming of the Cloud.

I mean, fuck, he has nearly the exact same moveset with superior speed and framedata, plus special effects like spiking fair, everlasting uair/dair, multihit fsmash and a proyectile. And that's all WITHOUT mentioning limit.

>>382189012
I too main Shulk, what's your NNID I'd like to play with you.

>>382189328
But anon, ness is the most complex character to play

>having to OK after every home run

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*huff huff*
p-please...
*huuf hoof*
stop running from me...

I like Bowser because I am a simpleton to be honest family

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>>382189470
>meleefag
I'm guessing you didn't even read the damn post.

>>382188757
what are you talking about, zss' rep is mostly nairo- it's more bayo, diddy, mario, cloud,

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shulk is the thinking man's cloud

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Stop calling me flat...

>>382189607
I did, Melee has nothing to do with this thread so why bring it up if not to stealth insert Melee into the thread to derail from tr4sh?

Nice try fag.

You'll get no sympathy from me

>>382189563
But Robin isn't supposed to be running all the time, isn't that part of the gimmick?

>>382189210
But it does have execution.

Who the fuck thought that giving Ryu negative edge was a good idea? All it does is get me killed.

>>382189484

He's just a brainless magnet. most people don't learn what his normals can actually do.

Are there any relevant Ike players left in the tourney scene? I understand that Ryo uses Corrin mostly these days.

>>382189239
>honourable
>every ROB play religiously spams Gyro

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>*breathes*
Huh neat I just won neutral

>>382189749
Nearly all users of "Tr4sh" are or were Meleefags/PMfags is all, since almost nobody sticks to 64 or Brawl.

Otherwise if you just hate Smash in general you'd usually hear "smashbabbies" or "your fighter is a partygame".

>>382189596
Bowser has the best dash.

The best smashes, too.

No shame in maining the Bowser.

>>382189876
I think Ryo recently beat Anti using Ike.

>>382189907
Still not seeing why you're bringing Melee into this tr4sh thread Meleefag.

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>he doesn't play low iq characters in smash
What are you, low iq?

>>382189887
He wants you to play catch. Catch the gyro, it is his heart.

>>382189902
>Dtilt
>Dtilt
>Dtilt
>Upsmash

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>>382189916
bowser is a worthy adversary

My main is a low tier and every time I fight a Cloud and it comes down to a last hit situation where he beats me with his last stock on like 120% I basically just count I as a psuedo win because his character is so much better and easier than mine is.

I know it isn't a healthy competitive mindset but you can't deny it doesnt have some truth to it.

Donkey Kong is the greatest fighter in the universe.

>>382188685
>RETARD IQ
>Corrin
>Cloud
>Luigi
>ZSS
>Lucina
>Yoshi

This is good. You may be my friend.

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>>382190394

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>play Game and Watch
>knock Ike offstage
> stage just beyond ledge and press B until your opponent just quits and falls to his death

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>>382189596
>tfw 'zard for my heavy-main
>don't even spam the side-special

If anything it's his rock smash that's too good IMO. And in customs it can be a burying/spiking headbutt.

Does anyone here main "top-tier" characters? Every one of these threads has people repping low-tiers, low-tier pride, etc. but I never see anyone who actually mains Cloud.

I know you're out there.

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>>382190439
DK is very fun

>>382190574
no one mains cloud, that's the point. people just pull him out when they are feeling bad so they can get some easy wins

>>382190574
Highest I've gone is Zero Suit, occasionally tried Shiek, Bayo and Rosy but aren't my mains.

Played Cloud plenty when he came out, but I felt too cheap using him. Almost worst than Sonic spindash-spammers or Link/Robin zoners.

>>382190394
What are you talking about?

>>382189948

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fv87lMjVCXQ

He actually did.

The madman.

>>382190574
I do. He is a pretty stupid character but, he's so fun to play as.

>>382190574
>Does anyone here main "top-tier" characters?

I usually pull out Fox when i want to win which would be considered a main I imagine.

Then if I don't win with Fox I cycle through Ryu, DK, G&W, Yoshi, Falcon, Ike, and Wario in that order.

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>>382188685
>>382189035
>Genius IQ and Very execution or gimmick heavy
Life is good

>>382188685
Seriously though how is Ganondorf low IQ?

>>382190574
I used to main snake, back when that was a thing. He had the best projectile game, bar none. Grenades had game-breaking versatility.

>>382191024
He has nonexistent options? I mean he's just Falcon but slower, all he does is d-tilt, jab, or flamechoke. Just because he's garbage doesn't mean he's difficult to play.

>>382189972
Why are you even here then.

tfw melee player and never experienced the trauma of facing a Cloud.

>>382190574

I genuinely used to try to play Diddy Kong, Mario, and Meta Knight, and Cloud at certain points of the games life cycle. None of them had any staying power to me. No matter how much I like them as characters and even though I know they are all very good in Smash, I just don't enjoy them. They aren't fun for me to use. Even when I enter tournaments that I pay to get into I'd rather play Roy and Olimar.

I wish it wasn't the case because before Brawl Diddy was my number 1 wanted character in smash and one of my favorite Nintendo characters. I've loved Cloud and FF7 all my life too. I even have a life sized metal buster sword. They just aren't fun to play in smash.

Especially Cloud. Honestly I really dislike Cloud in smash. He's just not fun, he's too campy, too boring, and has too passive aggressiveness of a moveset. I wish his neutral b in the air was Meteorain and I wish maybe one of his tilts and one of his aerials used some material magic instead. And where the fuck is his English voice actor?

>>382188524
Because he has stupidly huge disjoint, good frame data, very little to no lag, good combos, insane knockback, one of the best mobility on the ground and in the air when his limit is charged, a decent projectile, and a limit he can charge on all his specials, forcing zoners to come at him while he has already all the tools to deal with cqc characters.

But the most infuriating part is that he has an extremely low skill cap. About any below average player can take Cloud and be very dangerous. Also, like almost all the DLC characters he completely shuts down A LOT of mid to high tier characters.

But for some reason, he is extremely "one sided" in the sense that he can only be played in one way. And I tend to think that because of his lack of versatility he also has a relatively low skill ceiling compared to the other top tiers like Diddy, Mario, Sheik, Rosa or even ZSS.

>>382188293
Have you tried getting gud?

>>382190574
I play shamelessly Ryu and Bayonetta.

>>382190908

Everyone in that list is perfectly viable though perhaps besides Wario and maybe Ike none of them are below high tier.

>>382192019
>though
Why is this a "though" if it doesn't contradict anything I'd said?

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>>382188472
>Autist thinks smash is a fighting game
I play whoever I please faggot.

Play a real fighting game if tiers piss you off so much

>>382189490
I still use Ike instead of Cloud.

It's mostly a feeling thing. I don't take any pleasure with Cloud, he's too quick for his power. It doesn't translate well visually I think. Powerful moves must have some kind of lag or "charge" effect so you can really feel the hit. When you read a roll and punish it with a Fsmash with Ike, you just feel like the king of the world man.

And I think that if you're careful not getting gimped by that stupid Nair, the matchup is not that bad for Ike.

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I'm just happy Lucas came back ant these two are better then ever. I don't ever want a new smash without the both of them.

>>382192019
Never heard of Glutonny ?
Wario is definitely a high tier character since Brawl. He was a bit nerfed with his new Fsmash and the lack of DACUS in Smash 4, but he's still extremely strong. and now he's not fucked by grab release anymore

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>>382188293

>>382192156
>he plays weebshit blu while criticizing sm4sh players
HAHAHAHA

>>382189035
Its pretty funny watching top tier shiek players like Mr R. getting fucked over by rage since she has no good kill options and just racks up % for ages. Smash 4 is a good game.

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Who /pika/ here?

>tfw play teams online with a friend of mine all the time
>win rate >80%
>still get absolutely fucking trashed by any double ness combo that knows how to use his air moves
the next smash, whether its 5 or a switch port of 4, better fucking have a 2 on 2 stock team damage option for online

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used diddy kong from beginning of the game to now

>>382189563
>Running after your foe
You're either playing Robin wrong, or you're fighting a zoning character who probably isn't all that fast anyway.

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>>382188293

Where my Ikebros at?

>>382189596
Every bowser main I've ever met has been a huge, meme spewing faggot.

i play corrin because she is cute and my wife

>>382188685
Rosalina is listed twice.

>>382193684
good taste

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>>382188685
>tfw retarded genius with high iq

>>382188685

Do you transcends the limits of humanity if you play Ike?

>>382193126
I really wanted to get good with him, but he's very technical and I don't like playing him much so I dropped him.

I'm training a Peach now, all the jump cancels are destroying my thumbs.

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Don't worry /v/. Leave the cloudfags to me

How come everyone who mains heavyweight characters is a giant meme spewer? This isn't exclusive to Smash.

>>382195029
Elaborate.

>>382195109
Expand dong is the first thing that comes to mind

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>>382189035
>Samus
>Marf
>Game & Watch
>Lucas
>can perform well by facerolling
good joke m8

>>382195190
That didn't originate with Smash. Continue.

>>382195235
This is true for Marf and G&W

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>>382188865

>Mario's apparently braindead
>Sword characters widdle him away like a bitch
>All the other fisty characters have better range then him
>Most fisty characters out trade him, leaving him out in the blast zone and the opponent with 10%
>Can barely keep up with some characters in some match ups

Seriously, how do you guys say he's braindead? The only argument I hear is the combos but someone like Link or even Ike fucking destroy Mario

>>382189656
Look at all that party game play

>>382195029
Because heavyweight characters are usually sleepers that look goofy and non-threatening, but will fuck you up in a moment's notice. Zangief, Hugo, Birdie, or someone similar from the Street Fighter series is a good example of this. It's always pretty hilarious to watch and the humor of it inspires mains of these characters to become goofy memeballs much like the characters they main. It's harmless, imo. I don't really play Smash but you should focus your hate towards Falcon mains instead, those fags have never even played F-Zero and their jokes are regurgitated tripe based on youtube "hype" moments.

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>>382193126
Been a Pika main since the Brawl days and am still one now

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Stop playing tr4sh.

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Kirby main here I've beaten a Cloud like twice. I can bamboozle everyone else up. Cloud users please fuck off.

>>382190212
God damn Bowser's up smash always gives me trouble, Bowser in general with his up moves.

>>382193551
I fight for myself

>>382195771
I tried melee, it's just not my game. It looks uncompleted for a GC game. The movement is stiff, and twitchy. Which makes PM look like it was actually made by Nintendo. The only fun characters are Marth and Fox. I could go on. Personally I prefer the air.

>>382193551
Right here. I just like the way he plays. I hate how despite him being my favourite no one ever ever talks about him. Unlike cloud, he has crazy grab and footstool combos that no one has mastered.

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>>382196423

>>382188757
Ike's Kill Power is overall better than Cloud's.

>>382195481
Kek. Link does not destroy Mario. I sometimes think people don't realize how much Link has going against him.

>>382195481
>but someone like Link or even Ike fucking destroy Mario
These aren't true
Once the person playing Mario understands the feel of Mario, the only sword characters that can challenge Mario are Marth/Lucina, Cloud, Meta Knight and barely Corrin.
Even then Cloud and Corrin are kind of 50/50s since Cloud is easily gimped by fireball, Fludd, and cape. Corrin has no good "get off me moves" once Mario is smothering them with his combos.

Link's sword moves are too slow to be a problem for Mario, and Link's projectiles are useless against any Mario that realizes he has a cape.
Ike has the same slow problems Link has, but also becomes completely useless against Mario when Ike is attempting to recover because Mario has both Fludd and cape.

Other sword characters are Robin, which some commentators made a very good observation on. Mario literally wins neutral and puts on pressure just by walking towards Robin. Mario is much faster than Robin and shuts down almost all of Robin's options. A caped elthunder will kill a Robin mid-smashville at around 90%. Robin only has 8 levin sword uses before their only safe zoning tool against Mario is gone for 10 seconds.
Toon Link has a rough time as well because his best combo starters come from his bombs which are easily caught, and even more easily caped.
Shulk is way too slow, just like Ike and almost just as easily gimped.
Never really seen a Roy against Mario but trying to zone Mario with a sword goes against how Roy is designed, so that can't be too good.

tl;dr Mario doesn't have a problem with about half the sword characters in the game. Only a few actually give him trouble.

Lol you guys ready for the 5th installment when they add 3 more Mario characters and 2 more Fire Emblem characters and call it good?

I'm convinced people who play games like Smash and Overwatch competitively are the same people who have failed to break into every other competitive game out there, real fighting games and twitch reaction FPS games. I legitimately can't understand why people would rather play these games competitively when options that have more depth and a more satisfying learning curve are readily available, unless the accessibility is the thing that draws people in.

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>bought bayo
>can't combo to death, play her to fish for dsmash spikes
>mfw people think I'm halfway competent and SD out of the gate when they see bayo pop up.

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>not playing PM Legacy XP

>>382188685
>kirby that high
come on I love him to death but I cant lie, hes easy to play

>>382197876
Ridley is broken beyond belief.
Side B opponent
Move off Stage
Wait
Repeat

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Fighting cloud is not fun at all with his lanky ass animu hit boxes while hes got a massive sword with brain dead range. Whats interesting about a character that excels at mostly everything?

>>382197516
Melee is the opposite of accessible. Barring Tekken, it's probably the hardest fighting game to get in to.

>>382189035
>smash 4 fox that high

>>382198290
I think the devs said they were working on balancing him. It's been a year since the last release though so I dunno if they're even working on that shit anymore

>>382197516
Melee is harder than than overwatch, and majority of fighting games out there. Have you even played it?

>>382190574
Mewtwo main here

>>382198607
Melee is non-accessible by casual standards. From a standpoint of more technical games, it's still incredibly easy to learn and excel at, the game has far less real tech and far fewer concepts to master than your average fighting game, even something like SFV. Much of Melee's difficulty comes from its execution barrier, but once you drill execution into your muscle memory, there's not much left for you to learn. High-level matches of Melee typically consist of players picking between 3 top tiers (usually Fox), and then playing those characters the exact same way. Often, it's dashing back and forth until someone slips up, gets tapped/grabbed, and then up-tilted from 0 to death. I'm sorry anon, that is not a fundamentally deep game.

>>382198959
See >>382199057

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Is there anything more annoying than people who spam extremely safe bair to get kills?

>>382199275
rosalinas that run after luma dies

>>382199275
marios that spam extremely safe upsmash to combo at low percents and kill at high

>>382199057
Then how come pro players of other fighting games aren't just flocking to it make easy money? Also no I play GGxrd, SFV (some times), used to play 3rd Strike, and the game is still hard to play.

>>382199275
campers playing keepaway in general

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Where muh Lucasbros at?
>tfw no one plays him

>>382199483
Because the players of other fighting games like their niches more than Smash and they get better sponsorships where they're at. The top level Street Fighter players are still doing great by SFV even though the game was a PR disaster, it's doing great at tournaments. Tekken has picked up a lot of speed, and so on. Pros who would otherwise be playing Guilty Gear or KoF dip into those games because their sheer popularity drains attention away from their preferred titles, but no one wants to dip into the stagnant Melee meta. Some pros have gone on record saying that shackling themselves to that scene isn't worth whatever money is in it, one guy in particular (may have been Gootecks or something) stated he was unimpressed with Melee's fans, and didn't like that the 15-year-old scene fails to care at all about new players and would rather circlejerk the top 4-6 players to death every time they show up on stage.

>>382190574
I mostly main Mewtwo, but I occasionally switch to Cloud if I'm on a losing streak.

>>382199687
Nah, the psychic kids can fuck off.

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>>382188685
>tfw megaman main

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>>382197253
Depends, which Mario characters are we talking about here?

>>382199836
Seems understandable, but what concepts does melee lack that other fighting games don't?

>>382199895
You are the worst kind of player. You're a shit.

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>>382200150
Not him, but what's wrong with Mewtwo?

>>382200328
There's nothing wrong with Mewtwo. He's a piece of shit because he switches to Cloud after losing.

>>382200127
I'm no expert on Melee, but I know about some of its tech. Wavedashing and L-cancelling mostly, but I also vaguely remember some Fox-specific tech involving his shine counter. Whatever fundamentals Melee has, the other fighting games I've played have had AAs, hitstun, counter-specific hitstun, cross-ups, corner carry (and corner play in general, this is replaced by ledge play in Smash), different jump-in setups, wake-ups and reversals, footsies, oki, meter management, frame traps, block strings, throw tech, tick throws, and of course true combos and move cancels that lead into them, whereas Smash combos are a far looser combos, with some "true" Smash combos being escapable through the attacked player being able to control their momentum in the air after being hit, though I forget the official name for this type of tech at the moment.

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>>382197253
There's too much new blood marketing and poll results for them to just blow all of it away.

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>Match starts
>Opponent immediately starts spamming nair towards me
This gon be a good book

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I'm the only one ITT that mains him.

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>>382201087
Anything an angel can do, a goddess can do better.

>>382199057
If grinding execution and muscle memory were the only major factors at play, Dark would be the best player of all time. But he's not.

I get where you're coming from in that Melee is easy to understand, it has a lot of visual-cues that are pretty easily spotted and explained whereas other games have shit like plinking in them that can completely go over the radar unless someone were to explicitly tell you about it. But that doesn't make it any less complex. Melee focuses a ton on spacing and bruteforcing rather than raw predictions, and people will still continue to play it competitively because that's what they like. Same reason people continue to play 3S competitively even though every tournament can be simplified down to a Chun-li MM.

Maybe you're right for top-level play since you hardly see any risky moves or ATs, it's just the same old group of people with robotic precision fighting each other every tournament. But at a low/mid/high skill-level the game is needlessly complex with a large list of mechanics to learn and "character-specific techs" (read: glitches) to get used to, especially when you compare it to the other Smash games. The biggest reason why I prefer Smash is because of the DI system, that's all it takes to please me.

>>382201087
>safe-attacks: the character

He'd feel pretty off to main for too long.

>>382201573
Well I do play Little Mac and Ganondorf on the side.

>>382189401
Literally no combos in Melee are "surefire".
I am perfectly capable of "beating out defensive follow-up predictions", I just prefer to have fun and play a game with an actual skill ceiling.

>>382200821
>I'm no expert on Melee
Apparently not, melee has all of the things you listed with the exception corner play.

>>382196423
The movement is the best part of the game desu, you have ultimate control over your character, it's why consistent edge cancels are possible.

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I don't but he's a fun pocket character.

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>falco most of the time
>marth whenever i need to win
>dedede for fun

r8 me

>>382199057
You have no idea what you're talking about at all. There's a reason why the same 5 people have dominated the competitive scene for years, it's not because of their tech skill. I can tell M2K's Marth from PPMD's Marth because their styles are fundamentally different. Mix-ups happen constantly throughout the game. A game of Melee is constantly adapting your play in microsituations so you can win neutral and obtain a punish, it takes great skill to due so and it is much deeper than it appears at surface level (where you are looking at the game from since you obviously don't play it)
TL;DR: You have no idea what you're talking about and Melee is much more than what you think you see.

>>382201686
literal 12 year old taste

>>382193880
There's playing Rosalina & Luma and playing Rosalina while Luma is recovering.

>>382202321
What's fun is fun. Who do you play?

>>382201686
Those are better, and Mac's a guilty pleasure in multi-ways.

>>382199139
A post from an anon that has no idea what he's talking about?

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>dropped sm4sh a while ago
>look at recent stuff to see how my boy Ike is doing
>remember he was getting constant buffs all the time and climbing the tiers
>mid-low tier made completely irrelevant by Cloud
For what purpose

>>382201751
> I just prefer to have fun and play a game with an actual skill ceiling.
So you play PM then?

Fox 'n Marth: The Game is only fun for so long.

>>382199139
I just read his post, he even said he didn't know much about melee. He's wrong.

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>>382199687
it's too bad you don't see him much in tournaments.

>>382199836
Smash probably has the best infrastructure for training new players. Way more written and video guides. Plus arcadians, amateur brackets, and ladder systems at tournaments.

>>382201785
Make your case for Melee, but don't lie. Melee has almost none of those things.

>>382190574
Who here /zssmain/? Somehow though, I'm better with all of the broken sword characters...

>>382202840
I don't see how PM has a higher skill ceiling the Melee, even modded, it's still brawl
The "Fox 'n Marth" meme is pretty dated, 13 of the 26 cast are viable, a Luigi made top 8 in a major this year.

>>382203105
Look at pro matches, or video tutorials about melee. You can easily see these techniques being used. Except for cross ups those look a bit different in smash. Or just play the game, which is what I did.

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>>382194630
Patrician, sad to see that not many others like to be king.

>>382193551
My right-hand man, so satisfying getting his neutral B down right in the air.

>>382203105
Melee has everything stated beside the previously stated corner game and the meter shit (Melee literally doesn't have a meter system) Though, samus, DK and Mewtwo have chargeable moves so it could be argued that Melee does include that as well.

>>382203105
The only thing melee doesn't have is, Meter Management, Throw Tech, Counter-Hits, Reversals and Tick Throws.

>>382203632
Melee doesn't have tick throws?

>talking about tiers in a party game

Could you BE more autistic?

>>382203632
Wouldn't Marth's counter be a reversal, and a counter hit?

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Where are my ROB bros at?

>>382203817
Who are you quoting?

>>382203818
That is not what those terms mean, in the terms of fighting games, no.

>>382203593
Shield pokes could be considered a type of cross up. They fill the niche of hitting an opponent who is blocking because they blocked the wrong way. Actual shield cross ups are really good depending on the character because it normally limits a characters options out of block and gives you a change in stage control.

>>382188293
>dont play the most fun character
hes fun because hes broken, sure, but hes still fun

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>>382189610
Based Nairo

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>>382188685
>rosalina at genius IQ

>>382203874
So would it be more like crouch cancelling into a short hop n-air or something?

>>382189035
>Falco is easier to perform well with than Ness, ZSS and rosalina

no.

>>382204078
>I lose to her therefore she's dumb

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>>382203817

>>382204078
Reread the image.

>>382204237
shes not dumb, but she's much easier than some of the "lower IQ" characters

>>382188685
>characters that are hitler to fight at genius and trancendant iq
>characters that are fun and still relatively strong in retard and average iq
???

>>382188685
>Shiek in anything but pea-brain
She's been the go-to choice for scrubs since Melee.

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>>382188685
>no villager

>>382204412
Smash 4's mechanics deliberately go against Sheik and she's been nerfed a hundred times. Scrubs can't play her anymore.

>>382203504
>even modded, it's still brawl
Assuming the modding goes beyond basic user-tools, what isn't there that PM devs couldn't change?

>>382188685
>Tfw main Megaman and Ryu
>Pocket Pikachu
>Kirby for casual
>Can literally see the opponents moves like 5 seconds in advance. I can, no joke, play with my eyes closed for a few seconds because I'm just that good at reading and predicting my opponent
This thing is unironically right. I particularly like preying on heavies and mario maining brainlets. They are always the saltiest.

>>382206658
Whoa look at this For Glory warrior

>>382189035
>Faceroll
>Samus
Clearly whoever made this is a shitter who can't dodge a fully charged neutral B

Samus needs set ups to get smashes, nobody is facerolling and winning most of their matches

>>382206892
>t. for glory heavy brainlet
You'd get bodied even harder in locals where you can't relay on lag mixups lmao.

>>382207216
>>382206892
Why don't you guys just settle it in smash?

>>382207285
Because he already preemptively ducked by calling his detractors online warriors. He'll either, claim he doesn't play online, or whine about lag when he loses.

>>382207285
God that was such a fucked marketing campaign. I swear it's like NoA intentionally does everything they can to NOT market their products effectively.

>>382207216
>>382207407
>bragging about FG wins unironically
I DO get bodied at my locals but that's the damn point. I don't pretend to be good.

>>382188293
Stop playing party games.

>>382208018
>Implying I ever said I play FG, let alone exclusively FG
lmao cool projections fuccboi, do me a solid, keep entering those local tournaments, us good players appreciate the bigger pot and free wins.

>>382208359
>Turtling wins games in sm4sh
This hasn't been true since like, the second patch.

>>382204412
Sheik has a million options at any given moment, requires more button presses per second than the rest of the cast, and has dozens of really difficult and niche techs that mean little in isolation but really add up if you actually master them all.

Sheik has one of the highest skill ceilings in the game. I play Ryu because Sheik is too hard.

>>382195481
>thinking ranged sword characters can compete against jump cancel nairs from Mario
>he doesn't know about the boot

tsk tsk

>>382202183
Senpai are you me..?

>>382208578
>>382208359
I guess melee players aren't used to their game evolving

>>382202183
Actually, all of that, but replace DeDeDe with Lucas.

>>382190574
I played mario and fox from day 1 cos they're fun in 4

>>382209251
>I like chaining up tilts until it doesn't work
Fuck you.

>>382190709
>>382190574


I main Cloud

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Villager main here. Cloud is actually Villager's worth matchup in the entire game because of how safe he is, whether its applying pressure, damaging you in neutral, or getting kills. You can say Villager wins the offstage battle, but that doesn't matter when Cloud *gets limit behund u* then Limit Cross Slashes and kills you at 60 with no rage. That move comes out like frame 7, is safe on shield and has so little endlag, Cloud can follow up with a tilt or even a Smash attack depending on the remaining distance.
What really sucks is that Villager was an honestly good character until DLC came out and fucked him in the ass. Corrin, Mewtwo, Cloud, Bayo, all horrible MUs for him. What a shame.
I've mained him from day 1 and don't plan on stopping, but damn.

>>382190574
Falcon if that counts but Samus is my secondary

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>>382208981
fucking kek'd

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Can someone explain to me why this happens?

>go on for glory to pick up a new character/learn what to do and what not etc
>play someone for 10+ games
>win pretty solidly and i dont taunt or anything, keep it moving
>next match and we're in a last stock/last hit situation
>other guy wins taunts then leaves
??????

>>382212183
He was saying bye, gg, ect

>>382212183
That's the only way to properly leave because if you try quitting the mode you get banned

>>382189563
>stop running from me
the far bigger problem when playing robin is someone rushing towards you

>>382202836
It sad that Ike got so many buffs yet still in mid-low tier because none of them solved his major problems.

>>382213158
actually he climbed quite a lot, ike on release date was bottom tier useless his fucking jab didn't even worked

>>382193551
right here brother!

>>382213158
>none of them solved his major problems
Like what? He's slow? That's not a problem, it's a weakness, characters should have those. Notice how Cloud does not have a weakness, his recovery is only slightly worse than Ike's, and Ike doesn't get Limit. I don't personally think Ike should be slow what with his 27SPD cap in PoR and 34SPD cap in RD but Sakurai is a hack who likes blondes.
Double fuck cloud for having blue flames at full limit, Ike is the Hero of Blue Flames, not some whiny nip faggot who got his girlfriend killed.

>>382189656
>wide open for a meteor for 3 seconds
>open to attack for even longer
>wait until last second and fair

...woah

>>382213819
I was referencing the fact Ike is low-mid tier both in brawl and smash4 because he have the same issues in both games and patches didnt really change that. But yeah, Ike on release day was almost complete trash, no denying that.

>>382200919
Pretty good taste in general

>>382193551
Ikeikeikeike!
Also Greninja doesnt take that much skill to play correctly.

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shit man y'all niggaz are just pissed that nintendo's gettin' motherfuckin' shadowed by sony legends in their own games no less i mean nigga who gives a fuck they were on nintendo before sony

keep crying nigga ima keep schoolin yo asses and get some pussy after