>FIVE HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS YOU CAN'T FUCKING MAKE THIS UP

>THE GAME HAD A BUDGET
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW

What's the context of this picture?

>>382181846
Half dead space god from the depths of the void floating over a city its worshipers built underneath it.

It was good. I put countless hours of fun just playing the game and shooting the shit with friends. Can't wait for Destiny 2

>>382181846

You serious? Lurk more.

>>382181932
That sounds cool as shit, I don't know how bungie fucked up so bad and made the story so boring.

>>382181626
The $500 million was the budget for all 4 games over the span of 10 years.

>>382181739
>THE GAME HAD AN ASTRONOMICAL BUDGET
>STILL MANAGES TO BE DULL AND REPETITIVE
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW

>>382182070
$0.01 has been deposited into your Activision™ account. Thank you for Activating their Vision.

>>382181932
That's actually a good way to sum the game up.

>>382182210
Last minute development derail leading to the story missions being thrown out and having to be redone from scratch in just a few months. Setting is still great though, so I'm hopefully Destiny 2 turns out better campaign wise since it didn't have the same development issues.

>>382181626
You act like it's funny, but it's a huge success and normies eat it.

>>382182265
>4

if they're going on 3 year cycle between games that doesn't work out in 10 years

>>382182283
>I HATE GAME BECAUSE IT'S POPULAR
>I HAVE NO FRIENDS TO PLAY GAME
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW

>>382182505
Initially they said 4, I have no idea how they thought it would work out, I'm just saying. Maybe a spinoff is due somewhere in between.

>>382182505
it's 3 increments because both ends are used

>>382182505
They're bound to 10 years with Activision, not 10 years on Destiny.

>>382182619
I'm guessing spin off game at some point, four full games with the same length of support Destiny got doesn't make any sense as Activision would be paying for something they no longer have the rights to after just one year with a Destiny 4.

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>>382181626
I still play it, it's fun when you play with others

>500m for the first game
It's for all the games, regardless of how many there are, as >>382182265 said

>>382182406
As much as I love the game, it's sad considering how interesting the lore from the grimoire is.
Destiny 2 looks like it has a narrative, which is nice, but the removal of the detailed grimoire has me concerned.

>>382184005
I don't understand why they couldn't keep grimoires and gives us an actual narrative

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>>382184005
I'm not concerned at all. The Grimoire was just all the details of the setting thrown together into a scrapbook because they didn't have time how to figure out implementing it in any other way. This button being a thing in the menu tells me they are going to move to a Dark Souls style system where all the deeper lore is conveyed through item descriptions.

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>>382184201
At this point, i'm hoping there is something similar in game which collects extra lore fragments. I just don't see how they can have something as interesting as the book of sorrows or history of the fallen without extending further than the limited narrative story.

>>382184685
We are getting something see
>>382184282

>>382184849
This is reassuring.

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is is 2014 again?

the 500k didn't all go into the game moron, that was the overall cost of the entire project. most of that 500k was just in the advertising, since acti pushed the game mad hard.

>>382186081
This
Game was still shitty though, complete with on-disk dlc

>>382184005
Yeah the grimoire lore is kickass, I'm still pretty convinced that the black garden is somewhere in the traveller's interior.

Also, anyone else think the fallen were once under the traveller's protection much like humanity? That the "whirlwind" of their history is the darkness catching up to the traveller, and the traveller simply abandoned them instead of taking a stand like at earth? Thus they would be attacking the city because they either resent the traveller for abandoning them, or want its light back.

>>382182593
>STRAWMAN

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW

>>382187169
>>382182593
>>382182283
>>382181739
Go away DSP.

>>382182070
Unironically this.

The game was actually pretty good assuming you waiting and bought the complete edition for $60. If you bought in at launch you got fucked hard though.

Sadly it's looking like Bungie is gearing up to do the exact same thing with D2.

>>382182406
Don't count on it. Destiny 2 has to be released this year or as per the retarded terms of the contract that no one that can count past potato would sign the rights for the IP would revert to activision. I am betting it's going to be a slightly better version of the first game, maybe with a slight increase in single player story level quality but everything else being the same. Probably along the type of levels you saw in the dlc's that released like Taken King.

remember how hyped /v/ got for this shit when the concept art leaked?

>>382182593
>Destiny
>popular
Wew lad

>>382187152
this is pretty old info man, The Fallen chase the traveller around, the Darkness refers to the Hive and their wierdo slug gods.

>>382187595
That was a load of bunk peddled by Kotaku, from the same guy who claimed High Moon Studios was developing a Mars Raid for Destiny 1.

>>382182283
FUCK YOU, YOU ENTITLED AND TOXIC PIECE OF SHIT HOW DARE YOU SPEAK ILL OF DESTINY

>>382187530
>If you bought in at launch you got fucked hard though.
>the countless hours you had with groups of friends playing a game with solid shooting mechanics was a scam
Ok, I'll cancel my preorder for D2. I'll tell my friends to fuck off and play a 1P menu simulator next time.

>>382187807
Never have an issue finding a team to play with even now that the game is on death's door. So it's not unpopular...

IN MY HEART OF HEARTS
I KNOW THAT I COULD NEVER LOVE AGAIN

I LOST EVERYTHING
EVERYTHING

People still play this?

>>382182406
Forgot to mention in >>382187595
that they fired marty to please their corporate masters so the music will be good but not so memorable and iconic, it will probably get stuck in your head through repetition rather than quality.

>>382187948
Do you honestly believe that D1 at launch was worth $60? Or that the entire game was worth $180?

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>>382187748
Better times.

>>382182283
In all likelihood, a big part of that was marketing.

>>382187867
Don't remeber where I heard it but it would no surprise me. It's pretty obvious there was supposed to be a Cabal raid and dlc instead of what we got after Taken King. Even bungie admitted that Rise of Iron only exists to keep people somewhat interested because if they waited a full year from the last content drop to come out with something new in the sequel they would probably lose sales.

It does amuse me that they said the live team built that dlc on a reduced budget and still made a better raid than the teams that made Crota and Oryx.

This game has the worst community I ever seen. A bunch of Stockholm Syndrome people who will kill to defend bungie.

>>382188049
They fired Marty because he threw a massive tantrum over a minor issue and basically didn't do his job for the better part of a year.

Plus the quality of the music hasn't gone down at all since he departed, Michael Salvatori co-composed alongside Marty the entire time so the music is still in qualified hands.

>>382181626

I got the complete edition and had fun blowing through all the content in a month. What's the problem here?

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>played all the the way through taken king, since everyone said that's where it got better
>it never did

God damn it this game could have been so good. So may wasted designs, so much wasted lore.

>>382188413
Same. For $40 it was a great game

>>382188051
Absolutely. Don't get me wrong, vanilla's story was terrible and borderline nonexistent. However, vanilla raid (VoG) and even TDB raid (CE) were well worth the cost of admission. Then the beginning of the campaign improvements in HoW plus best era of Crucible made HoW worth it as well. And PoE was pretty good, although not as good as a full-blown raid, since it really made you favor stronger players in your group of friends.

Closest that any FPS game can get to Destiny is Borderlands 2 and TPS. And although the Borderlands games have more content, Destiny is a mechanically better game.

>>382188285
All of the Raids were made by the same dedicated team, Wrath of the Machine included.

>>382188396
Vanilla's music is still the best. RoI started to show signs of life, though.

>>382188528
>Crota's end was worth the cost of admission
You went too far, now I know you're trolling

>>382188051
Was Destiny at launch worth $60? No, it was a complete disaster. The whole package being worth $180 though? Yes, I would honestly say so.

>>382188619
>RoI started to show signs of life
What all 2 songs?

>You know the most intriguing part about the small bits of story that Destiny actually had? We're dropping it entirely because we don't know how to follow it up in writing.

Sasuga, Bungie.

>>382181626
>Five hundred million dollar budget including advertising and development for three games spanning 10 years.
Meanwhile GTAV pissed away 125+ mill on it's own.

Why are Bungie fanboys unable to take criticism of this game?

>>382188619
Shadow of the Walker is the greatest track across all of the releases so far, though maybe depending on my mood the vanilla title theme is better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5sfUQf8WV0

>>382188661
The raid was actually pretty solid if you didn't cheese it. Still weaker than VoG, KF and WotM.

>>382182283
That kinda makes sense though, the larger a group of people you create a product for the more generic you have to make it to ensure not to alienate any of them. Throw in basic Skinner box mechanics and that's how you make a blockbuster

>>382188821
They seem to only exist on /v/ - if you go to the /vg/ general they're typically ripping bungie a new one

>>382188769
>pissed away
They made it back in spades.

That game is still a monthly top seller.

>>382188858
Sure, but CE will break all on its own if you look at it wrong so good luck.

>>382188769
What did he mean by this

>>382188931
Admittedly, I did have significant problems playing with people outside of the USA and Canada if I did CE.

>>382188858
Resident Evil 6 had a feature where at certain points of the story your game intersects with other people doing another story and you have to work together. It would be cool if during a raid you see another Fireteam running around behind a wall or they could shoot out and help you if they choose but it isn't necessary.

>>382188906
Not only that, they've made a staggering amount off shark cards

>>382181932
got a link that gives a bit more detail to flush out the story? going to start looking at the wiki, but I might be able to use that setting for a campaign.

>>382189098
That would actually make sense in a Vex-centric setting.

>>382189098
Never happen ever in a million years. nu-Bungie will always choose a consistent balanced experience over "fun"

>>382188071
i still can't understand how they fucked this up. that bioware game with the power armor looks like what i expected destiny to be but it's bioware so idk. not excited for destiny 2 since i'm pretty sure it'll be the same old.

>>382189147
None of the Destiny wikis are very good. This site here does a really good job of making the contents of the Grimoire digestible though. Even arranges everything into a timeline.

http://www.ishtar-collective.net/

>I might be able to use that setting for a campaign.
I've actually been working on a Destiny tabletop RPG on and off for a long time.

>>382181739
>>382182283
>>382182593
>>382187169
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOW

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>>382189406

>>382189403
How does it feel to know most of that plot will just be retconned out? Hoping you would run into Praedyth one day. Hahahaha buy our $40 DLC goy.

>>382181626
>YOU CAN'T FUCKING MAKE THIS UP
Yes you can.

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/destiny-budget-nowhere-near-500-million-bungie-says/1100-6420802/

>>382188396
he threw a fit because activision was stepping in and making creative decisions, I'd be pissed too.

>>382186081
Is it 2014 again?

The budget didn't go into advertising you fucking twat, it was spread across the 10 year contract, so realistic the first game probably got around $125 million.

>>382189602
>“For marketing you'd have to ask Activision people, but for development costs, not anything close to $500 million,”

Did you even read that you dumb fuck?

>>382182070
So you paid 60 dollars a year for the equivalent of second life?

>>382188602
I thought the whole point of Rise of Iron was it didnt take any resources off of Destiny 2, which was where all the "main" devs were.

>>382189403
thanks anon, much appreciated
>Destiny wikis are very good
only been looking at them for several minutes and I'm already noticing this.
and goodluck on your campaign.

Half a BILLION dollars
Will we live to see a game's budget actually reach the big B?

>>382189627
He threw a fit because they changed the music of a behind closed doors trainer that only press saw. Activision requested that he change the music because it was overpowering the narration that explained the concept of the game, he refused. They replaced it with generic music because he wouldn't cooperate, and then to proceeded to throw a tantrum and demanded Jason Jones back out of the contract over it. He didn't obviously, and in retaliation he didn't do any worth for months until he was finally fired. It was a shitty situation on both sides, but he still made a giant mountain out of a molehill.

>>382188769
GTA 5 has brought in over a billion. Billion. BILLION DOLLARS IN REVENUE

>>382189935
behind closed doors trailer**

>>382189859
I predict FF7 will get close when it gets delayed for twenty fucking years

>>382189859
Holy shit, It's 500m over 10 years.

>>382189807
I don't really have anyone reliable to play a campaign with, just a few one offs and test encounters here and there. Probably why I've dragged my feet on actually finishing the thing.

>take a developer that is basically a ghost town of talent ever since everyone left after Halo 3/Reach
>take a company that only cares about forcing an annual franchise down the throats of as many 12 year olds as much as possible
>giving them half a billion dollars


>get surprised when the product is mediocre at best

>>382190279
>take a developer that is basically a ghost town of talent ever since everyone left after Halo 3/Reach
That isn't true, barely a handful of people who actually matter to game development have left Bungie since Halo 3.

>>382189538
I've been dreaming of a boss fight against Toland.

>>382189702
>"This game isn't very good despite costing 500 million dollars"
>This article says that number is a total fabrication
>"They still could have spent that on other things"
You can move the goalposts, but you still have yet to prove that there is any basis for this rumor.

>>382190209
at least that gives you more time to iron out some kinks and add more depth to world/universe.

>>382189758
They recycled the half finished House of Wolves raid to make Wrath of the Machine, it didn't take that much attention away from Destiny 2.

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>>382184005
>>382184201
>>382184282
>>382187152

>>382190457
Actually its your job to shoot it down and you haven't and that article hurts you since they admit there are other budget items not covered.

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>>382187748
Man, those initial threads were some of the most fun I had on /v/ ever. The CIA conspiracy shit, the terrible hype train image, it was all great. For like 4 nights, it was pure fucking gold.

>>382187530
>If you bought in at launch you got fucked hard though
>Got 100+ hours out of every expansion and 1,500+ hours overall

Here I was thinking I was having fun, little did I know I was getting fucked.

>>382190871
>1,500+ hours overall
Tell me what did you do in those 1,500 hours?

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>>382190830

>>382190871
I have near the same amount of time, but you have to admit we paid out the ass for it. Bungie couldn't even get around to having more than one piece of end game content into well into 6 months into the games lifespan.

>>382190970
>>382190830
These images remind me of what Bungie used to be, it makes me sad.

>>382190941
Had fun.

>>382190941
>Tell me what did you do in those 1,500 hours?
Had fun playing a video game

>>382190971
>but you have to admit we paid out the ass for it
Absolutely, and I am NOT excited about going through the whole "one raid per expansion, pay for more endgame" routine again. Still, I feel like I got my money's worth with D1.

>>382188891
nah, /vg/ has a lot of cocksuckers too
every sort of criticism there will be deflected

a lot from /v/ hasn't even played it and, don't realize that this is not old bungie

>>382182283
You don't really think they spent all $500 million on the first game do you?

>>382190661
Shoot down what? There is no basis for what you've stated. There's nothing to "shoot down."

I could say that the game cost 500 dollars and I would have exactly as much proof as you.

And don't tell me it was "leaked." Half of the "leaks" that show up on /v/ are pure LARP like that Starfield bullshit.

>>382191141
I think Destiny is a decent game, but it has nowhere near enough content for me to ever want to sink 1500+ hours into it.

>>382181626
500 million was the budget for the trilogy, not just the first game.

>>382191141
>>382191165

>Had fun.
Be more specific what did you do in that game for so long. That's a lot of time to invest in a game with bare bones content. Come on elaborate what did you do specifically gamewise.

>>382191202
>Shoot down what? There is no basis for what you've stated.
Yes there is. There were numerous reports saying the budget was that high and in the article you linked to they even admit marketing isn't included in the number they cite so those reports could still be right. So it's your job to shoot them down.

>>382191212
>>382191329
Enjoyed the excellent gunplay, I've got 1800 hours and it has never once started to feel repetitive no matter how much one replays the effectively same content. It honestly carry's the entire game through all of the lulls and lackluster aspects. As long as you keep your loadouts and builds varied up I don't think it would ever get old really, its just so satisfying on a moment to moment level.

I have been getting caught up and disappointed by Bungie hype trains since Halo 2.

I am not hyped for Destiny 2, but I will buy it if the reviews are good and it is obvious they have learned since vanilla Destiny 1.

>>382191165
I'm not even ashamed to admit that I would pay $10 to $15 for just a new Raid if they delivered them at a more regular pace. Destiny's raids are the most fun I've ever had in an FPS, I wish they were a bigger focus for the game.

>>382191654
I don't know if I would go that far but I agree that the raids are great. I don't get into PvP at all so the raids are pretty much the entire game for me, but I'm disappointed that D2 is apparently going to follow the same pattern of D1 where the game is split into these kind of seasons where only one raid is relevant at a time. That seems like a very simple and obvious way that they could have improved on the game and didn't.

>>382191528
>1800 hours
This is what I don't understand about the autistic destiny fanbase and it can be seen as a warning sign for others. Look at his definition of fun. He can only define it through numbers and some vague thing about gameplay. Every Destiny fanboy, when asked about the game will tell you the hours of autism they put in the game but not actually tell you why it's fun.

>>382191242
>500 million was the budget for the trilogy
no it literally wasn't, it was the budget for the first game and most of it went to marketing

>>382191893
>no it literally wasn't
I recall seeing several articles saying that was the case.

>>382191856
>Posting on /v/
>Calls others autistic

>>382189935
They also told him he couldn't release the music as he wanted didn't they? He wanted to have a legit release like other game ost's they've released and they nixed it or something? I thought that was the final breaking point that they were going to prevent the release at all, and even now there hasn't been a true proper ost release, only that digital shit from the bungie store.

>>382191528
I put about 120 hours in, though I'd started getting bored around the 80-100 hour mark and only kept playing because I was addicted. There really wasn't anything that great in it, in all the hours I put in I don't remember much outside of running the same strikes and patrols and shit over and over. CE and VoG were kinda cool the first time through, replaying them was pretty tedious though. Just my 2c

>>382181626
I might as well post the gameplay of Destiny 2 PC here since the two other threads are dead.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArPP6_QXqyQ

>game has no content
>that's okay since I have autism and appreciate the solid controls and don't mind the same strikes and missions and raids

I got destiny 2 preordered

>>382191945
yeah i looked into it you're right, just sensationalists on fucking /v/ getting to me again

>>382190595
>Cut out basic features everyone came to expect out of games 15 years ago
>Replace it with an obvious non-feature thrown together with assets made for other features
>Hype the first game to astronomical levels and guarantee successful sales
>Massive outcry when players hyped to shit realize what they actually bought
>But the community that was seeded by the marketers surrounding the game stop players from leaving right away
>Sequel announced
>"You know, [GAME] sold great and everybody loved it, but we heard some serious fan feedback about [NON-FEATURE] and we're proud to announce that in [GAME 2] we're introducing for the very first time [THE BARE MINIMUM]

I'm getting so fucking sick of this industry.

Honestly I am diagnosed with Autism and Aspergers and this game is the only thing that really keeps me active. It's been great for my disorders to do the same strike over and over 10,000 in the hopers to get a shader that makes my armor go from green to light green.

>>382191856
I just fucking told you exactly why your raging sperglord, the gunplay is excellent and remains satisfying for extended periods of time. On a moment to moment core gameplay level Destiny is outstanding, if you enjoy that enough you can get a huge amount of playtime out of the game because it will carry you through the bigger flaws the game has.

I kinda wish Destiny 2 looked like Anthem and not just another DLC.

Wish I could take my rare emblems at the very least.

>>382187948
>someone said something I disagree with
>better get passive aggressive
Why? I want to know how you reach that point. Instead of addressing what he said, you just indirectly moan about it. It's so much easier to just say what you think.
>I disagree; I feel it was worth the launch price.
It's that easy.

>>382192268
You said something vague about gunplay. So for 1800 you just redid the same content over and over with the same gunplay and you are trying to argue that is a good game or you don't have autism?

I too would be defensive if I spent hundreds of hours running the same content. Gotta re~earn that fatebringer

I heard it was insane to keep up with the dlc and expansions of this game.

Could someone show me a rundown.

>500 mil dollars
aah thats why

>>382182191
Destiny? Orthat one game at E3 in the jungle with the gaymers voice acting? I don't know. By the title I thought they were making fun of Star Citizen.

>>382192201
It's not like they wanted to ship out Destiny with that fucked up story. There was a giant internal uproar over the proposed story that ended with the game's narrative being forced to be remade in a few months with the lead writer leaving. The game was pieced together levels that tried to make the game's story make sense. Destiny 2 actually has proper direction with Luke Smith who proved himself capable in the past.

>>382192507
Not really, it had a grand total of four DLCs over the course of a 3 year lifespan.

>>382187530
It utterly sucked compared to Halo. They didn't improve, somehow they went backwards by introducing bland MMO-tier enemy AI and themepark style missions, plus floating numbers and loot grinding and barely any fun vehicles. Terrible.

Destiny was at it's best where you had to redo the hard raids to get the best exclusives hit and it was the only way to hit max level. This way the game had something for everything. A short romp for casuals and a grindy slot machine for autists. They ruined it when they made it easier to hit max light and then you didn't even have to step foot in the last raid to hit 400. Y was one of like 15% of the population that had a Gjallarhorn and Icebreaker and god damn it, it should be that way.

>>382192628
I mean, that is a bit much for an MP-focused game where you really gotta stay current

>>382192507
>I heard it was insane to keep up with the dlc and expansions of this game
It had four expansions with plenty of time in between, I don't know what you're talking about

>>382192682
Halo and Destiny are apples and oranges, why did you even post this.

>>382192868
TTK was shit, RoI was a step up from that and AoT is how the game should've been from the start.

>>382192871
Beats a monthly subscription model by a wide margin.

>>382192258

same, i spent hundreds of hours trying to get perfect rolls on grasp of malok/fakebringer. i wouldn't trade it for the world

>>382192868
Light Level is just a gear rating number, all of the best still still comes from Raids. They just screwed up with the King's Fall weapons by making them so god awful.

>>382192940
>>382192628
That is not too bad, then my friend was just bitching.

>>382193231
If you jump in at the end you'd get a good deal, if you bought it at launch and stayed current it'd be like 60+30+20+30 or something, it was kinda bad

>>382193157
You're right but once you are 400 is there any reason to run the ROI raid? Like is there any desirable gear or weapons that are worth putting the time in? i think now.

>>382192940
>why did you even post this
Because they're made by the same developer and Destiny was the IP they left Halo for. They left it for something inferior.

>>382193374
Dunno how much it added, but for a subscriptionless mmo, that does not sound bad.

>>382193456
>They left it for something inferior.
Have you seen Halo recently?

>>382193602
Yeah, it's made by 343i now. What's your point? Every Bungie-made Halo game is better than Destiny, fuck even the 343i games are better.

>>382193456
Nobody cares about halo anymore.
Nobody cared since 3 came out.

>game comes out
>its fucking shit
>dead one month after release
>a year later
>eveyone is playing it again

This game is the perfect example of how fucking pathetic consoleniggers are.
You literally have to buy every single game that comes to your console otherwise you wont have anything new to play.

>>382193691
>Every Bungie-made Halo game is better than Destiny
ODST is not better than Destiny.

>>382193778
Irrelevant. Destiny is still a less immersive experience.

>>382193791
Close enough.

>>382193439
Yeah, most of the Wrath of the Machine weapons are great. Genisis Chain is probably the best non-exotic AR in the game, Chaos Dogma and Steel Medulla are great on bosses, Fever and Remedy is great in PVP if you can adjust to the gimmick. The special weapons outside of the sniper aren't anything to write home about, but that sniper is pretty much the best PVE sniper in the game. The heavies are pretty passable though, too many great exotics to use there.

>>382193782
It was never at any point dead, it maintained a huge playerbase throughout its entire lifespan. Right now is the lowest the game has ever been, yet it still pulls several hundred thousand concurrent players every day.

>>382193489
but anon Destiny was not an MMO
It was a co op FPS with a limited social space
It lacked every other basic requirement to be called an MMO

>>382193439
The RoI raid weapons were the best raid weapons. Each had a unique perk only available from THAT weapon (Firefly auto, triple double scout and machine gun, high impact sniper with size 4 mag). A huge improvement from the " oh wow, it reloaded itself" KF guns.

If there is a fault in the RoI loot, it's too easy to get. I had every weapon after 3 raids thanks to the keys.

>>382193062
Destiny is actually really cheap for it's supposed MMO type. I think I paid $160 for three years of game. As long as you don't buy the stupid treasure boxes, it's a pretty good investment

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I hope Anthem is decent or MHW isn't too shitty
I cannot stand that fat cunt director on top of the inevitable piecemealing and rampant asset reuse in the first game (then most likely the second game)

also PC is delayed more than 1.5 months after console and it'll be on shitty b.net

>>382193782
>dead one month after release
Citation badly needed. Destiny has had a consistently active playerbase.

>>382194457
I hope Anthem blows Destiny out of the water. Everything about Destiny 2 reeks of complacency, Bungie badly needs a kick in the ass from a real competitor to force them to step their game up.

>>382193439
It's fun

>>382194635
>Bungie badly needs a kick in the ass from a real competitor to force them to step their game up.
Remember when the Division was supposed to be this and it literally imploded?

>>382194856
Meh. I've played a lot of The Division and still do from time to time but I never expected it to be a Destiny killer. Playing The Division for a while at launch really made me appreciate Destiny a lot more, though.

>>382194635
I really don't get why anyone expects anything out of Anthem. Bioware can barely deliver a passable third person shooter, you expect them to be able to complete with Destiny? Which was built on a foundation of Bungie's great experience with making first person shooters.

>>382194856
I remember when the Division was announced first

>>382195071
I think that Anthem has a chance just because Bungie is setting the bar so low with Destiny 2. All Anthem has to do is take the Destiny formula and evolve it in one or two ways for it to scare Bungie into putting some effort in.

>>382195071
>I really don't get why anyone expects anything out of Anthem
It's Bioware, but the trailer also looked very cool. Just that alone, even if it was all scripted, would be more enjoyable than Destiny 2 seems to be cracking up to be.

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>>382181626
Ive had a lot of fun with destiny.

Ive already preordered the digital deluxe edition on PS4 to play. Im gonna join a clan this year and have lots of fun.

I have faith in Bungo to not fuck up the gun play and add more than year .

>>382181626
I kinda enjoyed it

>>382195260
What is wrong with sticking with a formula that has proven to work? The entire problem with vanilla Destiny's release is that it was directionless and Bungie didn't have a clear path to work toward. Destiny 2 is them working from a clear direction from the start, why should they shake things up now when they have only just gotten things established properly? That is just asking for another shaky launch, or worse.

>>382195341
All they did was clone the Destiny reveal trailer beat for beat. Right down to somebody getting a special machine gun that deals electric damage as loot.

So Destiny 2's story is just this new baddie is fucking with you stop him? Nothing about the world or the giant orb thing in the sky will be touched upon?

>>382195851
The orb gets destroyed within the first 30 seconds of the game and has large ramifications on plot and gameplay
Yes I'm serious

>>382196001
It doesn't get destroyed, the entire plot is that be new baddie is trying to steal the Traveler for himself to make Cabal Guardians.

>>382195586
For me it's not so much a matter of shaking up the formula, I think that Destiny's core gameplay isn't broken and doesn't need to be fixed. But look at what they're okay with delivering for the sequel:

>Still 30fps on consoles
>Still one raid per expansion
>Still no dedicated servers
>Still no matchmaking for Nightfalls
>All PvP reduced to 4v4
>No Rumble on launch
>Weapon types fucked in PvE to serve PvP balance
>Less customization re: character perks
>No more INT/DIS/STR
>Can't edit your imported D1 character

And so on. I love D1 so I'm excited for D2 but everything about it just makes me think... that's the best you're going to do? I want Anthem to do Destiny even a tiny bit better than Destiny 2 so that Bungie will realize that the minimum amount of effort isn't going to cut it.

>>382196001
It doesn't get destroyed it gets mad and leaves the player

>>382196256
>>382196081
My mistake, in any case it stops providing the people on Earth with powers right?

>>382196318
i don't know it stops but they get new powers its retarded. I wish they used the established characters to make a new story not introduce this crap

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>>382196318
Yes, the speculation is that Guardians regain their powers by tapping into this massive shard of the Traveler's ass that got left lying around.

>>382196426
They are using the established characters too though, the Vanguard NPCs all have big roles now.

It never costed 500 mil, idiot. Bungie has a 10 year plan for the Destiny series that COULD cost them 500 mil

>>382196241
>Still 30fps on consoles
If you actually gave a single shit about framerate you would already have a PC, in which case you are set because the PC port looks outstanding.
>Still one raid per expansion
I wouldn't want them to try making more than one raid at once, or trying to set up a second raid team to facilitate multiple raids per release either. Aside from Crota these guys have produced gold and I wouldn't want to take any chances of spoiling it.
>Still no dedicated servers
I was upset about this at first too, but when they explained their hybrid model thing I am willing to at least see how things play about before getting mad. If the P2P model is what allows me to play with some friends in Europe effortlessly, its probably worth it.
>Still no matchmaking for Nightfalls
That's what the guided games thing is for.
>All PvP reduced to 4v4
>No Rumble on launch
Rumble and 8v8 big team battles with vehicles are coming too later though.
>Weapon types fucked in PvE to serve PvP balance
The new weapon system is great for PVE too, under the old system snipers were far too good for how plentiful the ammo was.
>Less customization re: character perks
New class build system is a bad move, yeah. My only hope is that they make up for it with more interesting exotic armors.
>No more INT/DIS/STR
Armor/Agility/Recovery instead, and you still get ability recharge time boosts in the form of dedicated perks.
>Can't edit your imported D1 character
Have they confirmed that?

>>382197161
>That's what the guided games thing is for.
Not for heroic though. Heroic content you still need LFG for.

>>382197161
>Rumble and 8v8 big team battles with vehicles are coming too later though.
I want to believe you here, but I need a source.

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>>382197161
I'll probably end up getting it on PC too but I have doubts about it having a consistent player base.

>Have they confirmed that?
Yeah, here's the article they put out last week with all of the details on migrating your character from D1:
https://www.bungie.net/en/Help/Article/45967

>>382197413
Good, matchmaking for raids would be a disaster. I'm talking about matchmaking like you get for strikes, where you just queue up and get matched with two randoms automatically. Nightfalls are the only activity I want this for because after a certain point they become something you can sleepwalk through and don't require any communication.

>>382197606
Its what some Bungie guy said at the reveal event, on the show floor. Its never been repeated elsewhere but a bunch of streamers/youtubers were saying it.

>>382197645
>Good, matchmaking for raids would be a disaster.
You can matchmake for raids though with guided games. Just not heroic.

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>>382197161
>8v8 big team battles with vehicles are coming too later though.
where'd you hear that?

>>382197413
There is a Heroic mode for Nightfalls now? Are they bringing back the old Nightfall boot to orbit for that?

>>382197748
Guided games isn't the same as matchmaking. With guided games you can vet the people you get matched up and and decide whether to play with them or not. With matchmaking you get automatically matched with people and you're stuck with them. Guided games for raids will probably be fine, but matchmaking would be awful.

>>382197747
Well if true, great. My standard is just what Bungie has done with the Halo games. The lack of modes and actual fun vehicles is ridiculous, these were not fixed with the expansions.

Wow, the shills are out in force today. Guess anthem has them spooked.

Too bad neither that nor this will be anything other than pieces of shit.

>>382197831
I have no idea but nightfalls do have difficulty. What should concern you is the need for "nightfall" keys to enter them. Hopefully you can't buy them.

Destiny is an ok concept with a horrendous community. Worse than the COD community.

>>382198163
While at the same time absolutely requiring that community for end game, and not giving any real tools to help.
It's like a big smorgasbord of suck.

Played 3k hours on the 360 until they killed support for it. Got it on PS4 a month ago

Made quite a few friends from raiding and pvp and I got to meet some of them IRL. I also use LFG a lot for raiding (especially now that my PS4 friend's list is sorta empty) and there's still a shitton of people from everywhere in the world. Having one indian/italian/whatever guy in the fireteam speaking a very stereotypical english is very common

Vanilla destiny and dark below were shit. House of wolves improved it and TTK/ROI made it a complete package. Anyone who would start blind today would have to go through at least an entire month to get through all the content available

I just hope they get D2's release right and not have another vanilla clusterfuck

>>382198275
Seriously. When you raid you get a combination of the following
>Stoner
>Autist
>Alcoholic
>Talks too much/arrogant
>Guy that brings up politics
>Guy that rage quits after you wipe once

I did a raid once where halfway through everyone stopped and demanded I PayPal them $40 to continue (guess they were a group).

>>382198472
>3k hours on 360 which means no ROI

I know you guys try to pretend this is the mark of a good game but it's actually the mark of addiction.

>>382198598
3000 hours throughout 2 years isn't that much

I'd say more than half of that was spent either having a good chat with friends while/or doing osiris on weekends. I'd show you but that website called wastedondestiny.com doesn't register legacy users anymore

>>382198875
125 days in 2 years for a game that constantly had little to no content is a lot yea and that time isn't indicative of the game being good but the game hitting that part of your brain that gambling does.

So is there still no way to get a raid group in-game? Or did the finally put some fucking fansite functionality into their bloating shitpile?

I'm of the belief that if Destiny 2 does not release with at least up to HoW-level content Bungie fucked up good.

Really they should be going for Taken King level, but whatever.

>>382198483
>that annoying as fuck underage kid
>that annoying as fuck underage kid but with his friends
>the clueless dumbass
>the tryhard
>the dipshit who goes on his own and rages afterwards
>the guy without a mic which makes everything 2x more difficult

>>382198598
Not him but I spent 912 hours and I sorta agree with you. It has that skinnerbox affect where you have to keep on playing or something. I have made a fair amount of friends because of this game and reminisce when me and my IRL friend had more spare time to play.

>>382198875
That's 4 hours a day every day of the year.
Assuming you sleep 8 hours and work for 10 or so including lunch and commuting, you only spent 2 hours per day on anything else.
That's an addiction, anon.

>>382199087
i dunno man. I get the feeling that their mindset is that their cucked fans dealt with little content initially so why give them more? They showed they will eat up anything we shit out and will defend this to the death on their subreddit.

>>382199025
Never did it for the loot (at least the second part), and there was a lot of idle time too. I just checked and destinytracker doesn't show stats anymore unfortunately

I'm a month in and I have 160h -0h deleted
6 days 16 hours 46 minutes 22 seconds
3 active and 0 deleted characters. so far

>>382199349
>Never did it for the loot
So what were you doing for 125 days if you weren't doing end game content?

i still remember one of the trailers where some slag said the real game starts at level 20
>ends up being the same few strikes and single raid grinding and lame arena pvp
>bbut now the games good after i bought those expansions, you should give it another go!
history will repeat itself again and again

>>382199454
Not doing it for the loot doesn't mean not doing end game content, it just means not excessively grinding for specific loot. There are people who spend thousands of hours grinding for meme guns like Grasp of Malok before they implemented the skeleton key system.

>>382199857
It does though, even if you just played up to VoG probably less than a tenth of your playtime was the leveling process up to 20.

>>382199894
>Not doing it for the loot doesn't mean not doing end game content
oh ok so you are lying to us. That's another sign of addiction FYI.

>>382200019
If it was impossible to just play the Raids and Nightfalls for fun nobody would have bothered doing King's Fall or bothered doing a Nightfall at all post TTK. All of the KF loot is garbage and Nightfall drops haven't been worth anything in two years.

>>382191552
Same here. I'm not really hyped to Destiny 2 all that much, but pretty much all my friends will be playing it on day one, so that in itself should make the game fun for a couple of months.

>>382192619
>There was a giant internal uproar over the proposed story that ended with the game's narrative being forced to be remade in a few months with the lead writer leaving
So what happened exactly? How did the story manage to get what sounds like mostly completed and only then have other people in the company up in arms?

>>382202068
Bungie operates in a very compartmentalized manner, with groups of people forming into teams dedicated to small portions of development. These teams don't really communicate with each other, and are more or less operating in a bubble until they share their work with the rest of the studio. Most of Bungie never saw more than VoG's intro encounter before the game released, for instance.

Anyway, Joseph Staten led the team that was working on the campaign/story missions. When they showcased a rough cut play though of the story reactions from everyone else were pretty negative. The had developed a more or less linear story campaign for a game that was supposed to be this big open thing, and the story itself was not well liked either. So Jason Jones made the call to scrap Staten's campaign and start again from scratch, and begged Activision for a delay to make it happen.

>>382202662
That sounds massively fucking retarded. I'm sure there's better ways to do compartmentalized development without dumbshit like that happening.

>>382202760
They got away with it for far too long I guess, Destiny was the first time it really came back to bite them. Even though they had a close call with Halo 2 which went through similar issues. They still manage better than Valve though.

>>382203112
>Develop game for two years
>Only realize game won't run on non-dev kit hardware when it is less than a year from release
Fucking Halo 2

>>382202662
There was likely a lot of personality politics going into the decision to scrap the campaign. Jones does not seem like a good boss.

>>382204336
How do you figure? It seems like a pretty clear cut decision to me. Staten's campaign didn't mesh with the open concept of the game, and the story that went along with it wasn't well liked on its own merits either. Had Jason Jones not gotten the delay from Activision he would have stuck with Staten's campaign for better or worse, its not like he did it to spite him or anything.

>>382202760
>>382203112
I would imagine it was the scale of the game that did them in. You can get by with that when you are doing single player campaign/ multiplayer Halo style but not for what Destiny purposed.

>>382204713
>scrap a campaign because it's too linear
>replace it with a linear campaign
This is not the thought process of a smart man.
Add to that the way he fired odonell and i'm more than willing to give staten the benefit of the doubt here.

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>>382181626
Sorry OP, you're like 4 years too late on this bandwagon

>each Destiny game has less individual budget than Star Citizen

Destiny was fun for a while desu. I quit like 2 weeks after the Crota raid though. kinda sucks because I made some nice friends in that game that o haven't talked to since

>>382204913
It wasn't a linear campaign though, the only set order was the planets. Everything else you could tackle in whatever order you wanted, mostly.

>>382181626

Bungie and Activision think this game will be big on PC.

- no dedicated servers
- Sony exclusive content
- Destiny 1 stuck on consoles, no ports of original
- muh Battle.net. If we associate this with Blizzard, PC tards will buy it

>>382204913
Marty is the only person to blame for his firing, however the way they tried to screw him out of his company stocks was pretty shitty and he rightfully won that legal battle.

>>382205007
>campaign missions unlocked by completing the previous in series and/or level gates
>not linear
Why are destinyfags so retarded? Is it the addiction?

>>382205104
Sure thing, shill.

>>382190016
Actually they have brought in over 4 billion. I'm not shitting you.

>>382205267
Completing the intro mission on each planet unlocks several of additional missions all at once, which you can do in any order you want and some of them are optional even. Staten's story was a very traditional FPS shooter campaign played in a set order with a linear narrative that assumed you were playing through it in one sitting, which would feel incredibly disjointed if you took breaks between missions to do other things in the game.

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>>382205738
>implying destiny isn't incredibly disjointed as is
wew lad

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>>382190970
>meant for this to be their opus
Haha what a fucking joke
Just goes to show these epic deep speculation fucktards are always just grasping and are delusional just like the dumb niggers trying to claim there's more to MGSV then there actually was. Is there a more embarrassing bunch of people on this planet?

>>382205085


Well it can't be any worse than Overwatch

>>382206093
SJWs

>>382205886
I do not understand why this is such a hard concept, just imagine you are playing Staten's campaign for a moment. You just finished one mission which ends with a dramatic moment setting up the next story beat, and then some friends message you to come play some crucible. You go do that for awhile, and start up the next mission, the pacing is fucked because it starts off assuming that you just did the last mission and are all pumped up for some intense scene to play out.

This was the problem Jason Jones and others within the studio had with Staten's version of the story, and something for all the failings Destiny's story missions do handle well. They all start and end in ways that allow for your character to go do other stuff for awhile before returning to do something else.

>>382206347
Imagine you are playing Jone's campaign for a moment. It's boring, and you finish the mission by defending yet another terminal. You're almost comatose, but some friends message you to play crucible. You do that for a while, and you start up the next mission and you don't give a fuck what the story is because there is no story.

This is the problem with the game as released. Destiny shills will try to defend this.

>>382181626
>500m for 3 games

considering it's activision it doesn't seem like that much but I wonder how the newer games will turn out since they fired a bunch of bungie staff that people actually cared about

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>>382190871
>1,500+ hours overall

Fucking how? You've played the game and all the expansions to death in like 30 hours. Holy hell

>>382206713
They got trapped in the skinner box.

>>382206093
Nigga, that image was made as a joke, more or less. That whole couple of days was just us piling conjecture on top of trolling, on top of tin foil hats. It was a lot of fucking fun.

>>382206713
>I didn't do the raids

>>382181626
>$500 million

I remember when OoT cost Nintendo $12 million to develop and with it, they changed the gaming landscape forever and it still tops GOAT lists to this day.

$500 for this trash is obscene. This should be at the centre of a UN inquiry.

>>382206506
A result of them starting from scratch late in development, literally nobody defends the quality of the vanilla story missions. They suck and everybody knows it. The question was why was this last minute do-over even happened, the answer is because the original campaign didn't mesh with the overall design goals of the game so they gutted it to try and fix that.

>>382206951
>rip out campaign
>replace it with something worse
>THIS WAS A GOOD PLAN

>>382181626
Remember when we had that ARG here on /v/?
We were so naive back then. I was completely shocked when bungie worked together with bungie. And how the leaked stuff came out that the devs were rushed by activision to rush things

>>382207000
Remember, Staten's campaign was also bad on top of being made for the wrong game. So it was more like:
>Rip out bad, ill fitting campaign with a terrible story
>Replace it with bad but at least fitting one, with no story

Former probably would have doomed the franchise as would hate written them into a corner they wouldn't be able to escape from, the latter still sucks but left room for future recovery since it was entirely open.

>>382206773
Seriously, I think everyone realized within a day or two that the ARG hadn't actually started yet so just started having fun with it.

>>382207243
>Staten's campaign was also bad
According to the guy who shit out the release campaign, so his opinion can be safely discarded.

>>382207243
>fitting one
what was fitting about it

>>382207243
I think I would trust the guy who created the storyline of the first 3 halo games than the guy who sucked activision's cock so hard their eyes imploded.

>people think destiny has good storywriting
since that writer left it has gone down the toilet

10 YEAR JOURNEY

>>382196509
I was kinda hoping they'd have just a little of their own light left and have to nurture/enhance it rather than being solely dependant on the traveller. Kinda figured they'd do that since Fallen are filled with synthetic light.

>>382207348
No it was bad according to most of the people in the studio who saw Staten's showcase, and the various playtesters who later leaked the actual original story details. There isn't even one person to pin the blame on, there weren't even any actual writers involved with the release campaign. It was just cobbled together on the fly, with the game designers stitching together combat encounters and bullshitting a narrative together after the fact.

>>382207458
It was better fitting for a game where you could seamlessly hop around between different activities on a whim.

>>382207590
Have you seen the outline of the original story? Its really bad.

>>382207658
The outline was fine. A fuckton better than what they shipped with, which is the point. Jones wanted to purge his company of the old guard because they no longer fit in, and he used this as an excuse.

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>>382207750
>Jones wanted to purge his company of the old guard because they no longer fit in, and he used this as an excuse.
Not only that, he's also partially responsible for having his workers crush under activision's meddling

>>382207750
No it wasn't, not even remotely. It was god awful, it would be like if you had Darth Vader drop that he was Luke's father right in the first movie. You can't have a big dramatic twist right in the beginning of the story, you have to get people invested first before pulling that shit. Nevermind the fact that having the Traveler be evil is a really fucking dumb, zero effort twist.

>>382207750
>>382207971
If he wanted to "purge the old guard" why didn't he get a lot more people to quit, or fire more people? The bulk of the people behind Halo are still there. Marty and Staten hardly even old guard if you want to get really anal, neither were there for the Marathon trilogy.

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>>382208027
>worse than 'i don't have time to explain why i don't have time to explain'
Yeah, no. You're shilling too blatantly here.

>>382208143
Yes, because Staten's story couldn't be ignored going forward.It would have permanently doomed Destiny to being bad, there would be no recovering from it. While everything about the Exo Stranger can easily be ignored, it doesn't ruin the overall setting at all. Vanilla Destiny's story meanwhile was a means to an end, Bungie devs have straight up admitted this fact in recent interviews.

>>382208027
I'll agree to the Traveller thing. I'd rather have the Darkness and the Traveller be two balancing forces, personally, but what we got is better than "oh that thing that made life so much better for everyone is actually evil"

>>382208335
>It would have permanently doomed Destiny to being bad
So no difference, then.

>>382208335
I'm honestly expecting the Stranger to not show up for something serious until D3. Gonna guess it'll be Hive/Vex centric while D2 is gonna be Cabal/Fallen. Hopefully the guy at the Reef becomes Kell of Kells.

>>382208498
I think it would be for the best if she just never shows up again, leave it a mystery that never gets solved and is slowly forgotten. Focus on introducing new characters that don't have that kind of baggage, which is what they seem to be doing.

>>382208652
Shes obviously a time traveller. Just say the Vex got to her and we find her broken rifle. Take it to Banshee, have him make a new exotic, and later find a different time traveller.

>>382208774
We've pretty much already done that with NTTE, the exotic pulse rifle.

>>382208887
A new new rifle. Maybe like a telesto but a scout rifle. On that note of weapons I hope we get a brute shot in D2. God damn loved that weapon.

>>382181739
>being disolusional enough to shitpost triple post ironically like this
we dont like your kind here

>>382209056
Grenade launchers are in, maybe the highest rate of fire one can replicate that feel.

>>382209120
Exotic please with the option of bounce grenades and impact grenades? Plus I loved the blade on it.

Jason Jones has become a cuck. This is a video of him being the programmer for Marathon. Now he's a Project Lead.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NV1krmCzK6o

>>382191171
No, they've spent it on its marketing.

>harold ryan is gone
anything that would have saved the game is gone. their office culture changed from free to constricttoo much and people don't like it anymore.

>>382205085
That's embarressing, they're handling this like a mess. They can easily do dedicated servers.

>>382209239
You expect the founder of a studio to still be doing the grunt work over 20 years years later?

>>382209461
Who was harold ryan? What did he do?

>>382209549
All I'm saying is don't quit your day job.

>>382209461
>>382209741
He was the studio's president from 2008 up until late 2015, was replaced by Pete Parsons. With the train wreck that was Destiny's development he probably had it coming.

>>382181626
Bought it twice. Stopped playing right before moments of triumph and can't wait for the sequel desu. The story was a little lame at times but the gameplay was the most satisfying out of any fps or rpg I've played.

The only reason I gave this game a shot was because 343 was running halo and that series was starting to suck and I couldn't have made a better choice than hopping back on the bungie train

>>382210014
Why right before Moments of Triumph?

riddit com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/2hqmkb/how_destinys_content_completely_changed_over_the
I'm so glad I never fell for this game
>inb4 ribbit
a good 80% of you destinyplayers browse that shitheap anyway, I cannot be fucked to copypaste it all.

>>382210527
No, that place is almost as bad as the /vg/ thread.

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>>382181626
Tried it when it came out. The game was boring and ugly and the FoV made me nauseous. I don't know who cares about this game or why.

The game is mind-blowingly successful. You retards can pretend it's a failure all you like but it's the reason everyone is going into the games as a service space now. It's the reason Anthem exists ffs.

>>382210798
Idiots trying to justify spending their money and addicts, basically.

>>382210996
t. shill

I don't know why people seriously believed this game/franchise wouldn't come to the PC.

>>382211196
did it?

>>382211258
Destiny 2 is confirmed PS4, Xbone and PC.

>>382211413
I'm talking about the first game

>>382211479
It's just an improved first game with a different label.

>>382187314
WWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWW

Destiny 2 is NOT what the first game should have been. It is in fact what I at least expected from the first Destiny title. Where is the open-world? Where is the massive multiplayer? Amazing netcode? The ability to hop in your spaceship and actually fucking fly it to another planet?

>>382182265
Making shit up now are we bungiefag consoleshit?
They spent 400+ on this one game
There were no plans for this nonsense youre talking about. Go back where you came from shill bitch

>>382211780
>expecting some revolutionary FPS
>from Activision
Maybe another 10 years of frustration will teach you the ways of this industry.

>a worse Borderlands
thats pathetic with 400 million $$$ spent on this shitty game

>>382211989
nonono, it's a worse Warframe. Which is leagues more pathetic.

>>382210996
Lol!

You know the game agar.io?
That's what Destiny is, but there's a NuBUNGiE FPS glued to it. It's shit.

Only 20% is for development, rest is advertising