This any good?

If you like cheating

Protip: These are the exact kind of devices that Blizzard is trying to ban. Due to console users having the accuracy of PC users.

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>>382160259
What... purpose does it serve?

>>382160418
>good controls are cheating

>>382160418
>>382160452
I'm a PC fag that likes analog movement.

>>382160259
I could see this being good for flinthook but nothing else

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>>382160418
>he uses an gamepad for FPS

>>382160475
Mouse aim in a console FPS

Also known as "you win"

>what is mouse acceleration?
or is it just not there anymore once you hook it up?

>>382160496
>host a hotdog eating contest
>guy is using modded buns that are less filling, allowing him to eat more hotdogs
>huh? why am I disqualified? I'm still eating hotdogs!
the fact of the matter is you're no longer on an even playing field compared to the other players
it's a distinct unfair advantage

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>>382160259
Looks kind of awkward to hold. I used to have the Venom X for my PS4, it was a mouse and basically half of a Wii nun-chuck for movement and all the other buttons.

>>382160665
>food analogy
Try again.

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>>382160619
How does an optical lens transfer so easily over to a analog device?

>>382160452
>>382160619
>>382160665

^ Faggots who've never used a XIM or any other adapter. If you think using one of these magically makes you better, you're absolutely fucking wrong.

You're EMULATING analog movement. Ever used the wonky ass mouse controls on PCSX2 or Mupen64? Literally the same thing.

You're still limited to what the controller can do
You're still limited to how fast the game allows your turn speed
You're still limited to how "responsive" the controls are in game

Anyone who blames these for their loss are just shit at video games.

>>382160665
More like a hot-dog mulcher to save him time manually chewing.

>>382160848
>muh analogy hipsterism
fuck yerself fggt

>>382160679
Huh, interesting.

I would prefer wireless, but I wonder if it would feel strange to work the two shoulder buttons when zoom is bound to M2..

>>382160658

All the acceleration the game has for controllers is still there.
The adapter doesn't get rid of it at all.

>>382161010
This guy is retarded, with most fps games the XIM 4 feels 1:1 with pc

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>tfw you realize you can't exceed the limited mouse acceleration to a console game

You get used to it but don't buy that trash. Buy another adapter like the xim4.

>>382161316

Totally retarded, my dood. I've owned one since the Xbox 360.
The XIM3 never felt 1:1, and nor does the XIM4.

Hell, even on their fucking website the XIM states it's not 1:1, because it's just not possible.
You are EMULATING the controller.

>>382160259
No.
Most games don't support it, or don't have an option to disable smoothing which would make it shit anyways.

Pointless. Nearly every modern FPS has 8way movement. You might has well go all the way and get something that emulates a keyboard too.

>>382160665
>buy a $60 hotdog
>bun has thumbtacks baked into it
>remove the dog/toppings and put it in a regular bun
>wow wtf ur cheating, ur supposed to eat the thumbtacks and bear with the pain like all the other plebs

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>I can't handle controllers for some reason

>>382161747
Keyboard is shit for movement.

The point is to get the L analog stick.

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>>382160259
>>382160679
No, get Xim4 instead. It's by far the best option. Actually it's the only good option, all others have grave flaws and/or are missing important functionalities (like different aiming behavior between aiming down sights, hip fire, vehicles, etc are not a thing you can change - which makes some games unplayable) and aren't supported nearly as much.
You NEED to micromanage acceleration, curves and various numers for each and every game for the mouse emulation to work well, and Xim4 is the only one with a community that will give you updated settings. All others (including the officially licenced Hori) either have a general setting for every game or just 1 setting per game at best which you can't change enough (so you are stuck with it, like it or not)

I don't care if the Xim4 costs double or triple compared to the alternatives. Either don't buy any of them or buy the Xim. It'll be a waste of money otherwise. It's like buying a cheap and worthless $40 arcade stick that moves around because it's so lightweight or investing the (current) minimum of $120-150 for a decent one,

>>382160665
>Food analogy
every
fucking
time

>>382160259
what about the face buttons? how do you jump?

>>382161816
FOOD
>ANALOGY

>>382162043
>keyboard is shit for movement
So much easier for small precise movement tho

>>382162367
>mouse doesn't have buttons

????

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>>382161446
>even on their fucking website the XIM states it's not 1:1
U wot m8?

>>382162173
Do you faggots even realize you're being hipster snobs when you criticize this shit?
Do you understand you sound like whiny children that can't argue the point & instead just toot their horn with the >lmaofoodanalogy meme?

Jesus fuck take off the skinny jeans and grow up.

How does this feel and work for a game like Max Payne 3? I wanted to try platinuming that but it seemed impossible with a controller and the aiming dead zone.

>>382162548
>STOP SAYING IM WRONG DAMMIT

>>382162475

My bad, I meant on the forums.

>>382162101
This guy understands.

>>382162475
notice how it says. "1 to 1 feel" and not "true 1:1"
it's like when companies put, "made with 100% cheese" vs "made of 100% cheese" when it says, "made with 100%" that means one of the ingredients really is 100% cheese, but it'd only make up 1% of the actual product, while the rest is 99% chemical additives
it's corporate trickery

>>382162382
Moving the stick for a 10% gradient results in radically different behavior from flicking on 100% for 1/2 a second.
Keyboard's easier for for small precise movements, granted, but only up to a threshold where you CAN'T get a small enough movement & the 0-100 starts to fuck you up.
Analog's smoother & ultimately has a higher skill ceiling.

>>382161008

That's handles by the device you morang. All the main controller does is export the data from the mouse part in a format the console reads as analog stuck input.

>>382162683
>saying I'm wrong
>implying I'm the one that made the food analogy
>implying you said he's wrong, when really all you did was sniff your own hipster ass in public again

>>382162561
I can't imagine very well.

The way an optical lens works is by sending digital signals to the computer via polling, sending a confirmation back, and calculating the position. With third person shooters you're basically just ad hoc-ing the mouse to a analog device and expecting it to run digital signals concurrent with the design, but all you're really doing is getting the mouse to sense dots per inch to the analog without any of the actual communications that help the DPI feel smooth in the first place.

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This is now a "Here is your controller bro" thread

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>>382160259
i really don't understand the use for something like this, on a controller you need the face buttons and with M+KB you need the extra keys

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>>382160259
We just need a controller with a trackball in place of the right stick.

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>>382163376
.

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>>382163376
,

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>>382163376
lol

>>382163648
Facebuttons are on the mouse, & in the OP they're also where the triggers normally are.
So for PC, if you play with controller settings you'll still have mouse look/aim with analog movement.

Which is also a good thing for console plebs who have never tasted mouse-aim.

Not all games need all the inputs of ARMA. In fact very few do.

>>382163808
But trackballs are shit.

>>382164323
They're way better than a stick.

Master the flick and you're gravy.

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>>382163376
welp

>>382163961
I REALLY like this

>>382160679
Are wands tiring?

I feel like this'd lose a lot of stability that comes with having both hands on the controller, so your hand & wrist will be doing a lot more work to hold & manipulate that over a long period of time than it would a normal controller.

>>382163143
>spots your fallacy
>calls you out on it
>gets mad
>calls you out for being mad
>mad being called out second time
actually try to make an argument that cant be dismissed as a fallacy maybe?

>>382160259
if you are going to play on consoles at least git gud with a controller faggot

>>382163808
The Steam controller does a good job at emulating a trackball. It's not perfect and not always viable but it works.

>>382165258
not him but what the fuck are you talking about? you're spouting buzzwords with no real meaning behind them
it's like you're trying to to make a cake with no batter and only frosting

>hipster aidsmoby jack packard uses some dumb bullshit like this for fps stuff on the streams now

I honestly think he's doing it on purpose at this point just to make more and more people hate him.

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>>382165258

>>382165163
...you put it your lap

>>382162867
>>382162475
>>382161446
>>382161316
>>382161010
It's not 1:1 but using one is far better than a stick if set up correctly because it's allowing you a degree of movement precision that a stick just can't match even if that has to be translated through acceleration curves like a stick would.

>>382165258
thats a fallacy fallacy btw. calling out someones fallacy isnt an argument, or even saying the arguments wrong, its just saying its badly argued, correct or not. you still actually need to put forth an argument or its still a badly, but possibly correct argument verse nothing.

just so ya know

>>382165751
Even in your lap, manipulating any of the buttons/stick will put force into the controller.
Force which goes into one hand+wrist rather than 2, and at a worse leverage.
Seems like it could get uncomfortable more easily than a double-grip controller.

>>382161008
sauce

>>382165989
Stop taking the bait, you're showing your reddit.

>>382166017
i guess. you could try not being some twink ass bitch tho

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>>382163376

>>382166151
what bait, i dont even know whats being argued. i just saw the word fallacy and pointed it out. whatevers being argued or not, a fallacy is not an argument.

>>382166482
The word fallacy is the bait.
Only redditors take it.

I used a xim 4 in destiny and battlefront shit was SO cash

>>382166610
>logical arguments are reddit
uh, okay, since thats out of the way your wrong because donkey dicks equal 38

Slightly better than normal analogue. But not as good as a native mouse - it is STILL just emulating it with limited analogue movements.

>>382161008
It's just feeding the computer x and y data. No different from a controller really. You can see this in action if you ever get a Wii emulator and go in and fiddle with the controller mapping settings.

>>382162374
I'm going to allow it because he's just fighting one man's retardation with equal amounts back at him.

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>>382163376

>>382164825
I have those, they somehow managed to make the N64 controllers shittier.

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>>382167693

>>382162101
Are you saying $40 arcade stick is a scam.

>>382167950
arcade sticks in general are a scam. now matter how you slice it, the longer distance it takes to move a stick left to right compared to just pushing a button a seperate finger is on will always, always be slower. physics and shit yo. buying a stick of any kind is gimping yourself. BUT if your gonna get a stick, get that, yeah

>>382166368
sick fidget spinner bro

What type of casual shit are you playing that you don't need the rest of your keyboard? Disgusting.

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>>382162101
Thing is I'm looking for something to use as a 'controller' on PC.
Xim4 is the opposite, it's for translating a KBM to console.

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>>382168293
you have no idea what you are talking about

>>382168648
Literally anything that had a console release you dumb fuck.

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>>382169016
literally physics, yes. explain to me how a longer distance can be traveled shorter if you can use them both the same way

protip: you cant. your argument will be "im used to a slower less efficient method, and since i will never get better at the faster method it will always seem better to me, even if it isnt"

>>382169016
He's saying the digital joystick on arcade sticks is inefficient compared to keyboard (or hitbox), which is true.

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>>382168909
Then just get a Dualshock4 (or a MS controller, whatever). Why the confusion?

>>382169765
I only want the movement analog, the left stick, without sacrificing my mouse.

>>382170049
then use a dualshock at the same time as a mouse

you are aware that you can do this, right

>>382170049
Just hold the left part of the controller like OP's picture shows and the right hand on the mouse? What half of a controller can do, a full controller can do too.
Holy shit, you couldn't think of that?

>>382160665
IMAGINE BEING AT COMPUTERS

What's wrong with food analogies?

>>382170363
>>382170403
>making the computer constantly switch between inputs
>god knows how quickly if you're holding the stick & moving the mouse simultaneously
Yeah I'm not so sure that'd be without issues.

>>382170646
Latest meme hipsters have latched onto to show their superiority.
Food analogies are easy to make/adapt. So everyone uses them. So hipsters turn their noses up at them out of habit.

>>382160848
People who complain about food analogies are so fucking retarded
Why do you think they exist? Because food is relatable. It's the same shit only an easier way to relate. Autistic analogical hipsters just see food in an analogy and yell "YOU ARE WRONG BECAUSE MEME"

>>382161816
yes actually, it is a competition

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>>382170708
>switch between inputs

>>382170646
food analogies on /v/ are like walking into a trader joes, eating their daily free sample, and then comparing the taste of that sample to the feeling of finally replacing a squeaky tire in your brand new sedan
the original subject matter is one thing, but when you attempt to relate it to a completely different topic, it comes off as forced and unwarranted, kinda like finding a fly in your soup

>>382170708
That's not how that works.

>>382161816
that's still cheating, you broke the rules to have an advantage, that's what cheating is

>>382170972
10/10 bait I almost replied

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>>382171005
>the rules

>>382171174
I guess if rules don't matter people should be allowed to bring motorcycles to Olympic sprinting

>>382170968
>>382170981
Ok, better way to say it: force the game to switch between inputs.
Shit's tangled up in the UI & god knows what else. Button combos could stop working correctly if you try using a controller mid-press, that kind of thing.

>>382170968
>>382170981
Some games are that shit of a PC port that it takes time to switch between KBM and controller inputs.
Sleeping Dogs at launch is a good example.

>>382160259
>not using DS3 controller and mouse with three extra buttons

pleb

>>382171369
if there isnt a rule saying you cant do that, sure.

heres the thing, rules that dictate maximum turning, pressing speeds can, and are implemented into games. its why you cant use auto-clicking controllers in them to press or shoot faster then the rules dictate. try using it on a game where the semi auto fire of a weapon is more accurate then full auto. youll notice it limits you. this is a rule, its put into place to stop people from exploiting this
making a keyboard or mouse unable to move or react faster then a controller is possible to implement, and simple. its ALREADY done with every game that limits fire rates.

so if it dosent restrict you, its because...there is no rule. and dont pretend the dev dosent know because thats how devkits for consoles work, you plug in a keyboard and mouse to dev shit. they tested it with a keyboard and mouse as well. there is no rule, thats it.

>>382171585
then use third party software to parse controller inputs. its a computer. you know computers can do this right, do two things at once. right. RIGHT?

>>382171739
>parse controller inputs to KB inputs
>what is negating the entire fucking point of using an analog

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>>382171919
>he thinks i mean parsing to different input times, not just timing and priority

>>382171174
when you purchase a "(game)" you don't buy the game, you buy a physical representation of a digital license allowing you to access their content
in this license are strict terms of service (TOS) that everyone must follow
not following them is not only a breech of contract but you'd be liable to have your license revoked AND get lawyers sent after you
laugh all you want, but one day you'll get your come-muffins

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>>382172073
okay, put to the part in the TOS that says you cant use a keyboard and mouse

>>382172039
Explain

>>382170708
>>382171463
>making the computer constantly switch between inputs
>god knows how quickly if you're holding the stick & moving the mouse simultaneously
What the fuck would the difference be with your other retarded half-controller setup?
>Shit's tangled up in the UI & god knows what else

You keep getting more retarded with each post my boy.

>Button combos could stop working correctly if you try using a controller mid-press, that kind of thing.
You know, your keyboard and mouse are also 2 completely seperate hardware parts, seperate inputs, seperate controllers, right? Ever had you game crash because you were pressing W to walk forward while clicking on the mouse to shoot? No. So why would there be a problem while holding the analog up to move forward while doing shit with yout mouse? It's the exact same thing.

>>382162548
It's just a meme man

The fuck is everyone's problem?
Why are people so against using the controller you're most comfortable with?

>>382172239
the same fucking way my steering wheel dosent fuck up the mouse. binding inputs, vice versa

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i got a keymander for my PS4 but it doesnt fucking work
i followed the directions on their site and watched some tutorials about setting it up but it still is giving me an error.
i guess im retarded in the first place for buying a ps4

>>382172494
than doesn't explain
>>382172039

>>382172306
The retarded half-controller setup is seen as a normal controller you nigger.
No switching involved.


You faggots obviously have never tried to use a controller on pc without neutering it.

>>382172623
its fucking magic and you will never know. dont ever attempt to google any third party input systems and their basic functions, they dont exist and its literally impossible

>>382166089
Some shitty NYC contemporary art shit.

>>382172678
Too much autism for me. It's a stupid setup anyway. Hey, have fun with your made-up headache.

The key question here is why would anyone do this instead of playing on PC? Playstation has like 0 shooters worth the hassle, if you tell me you're playing Halo in Xbox and want the advantage I could maybe understand (although not anymore since H5 is in PC too) but for PS4? wtaf

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>>382172872
>literally plug in one controller
>continue using the mouse thats already in the computer
>change 2-4 keybinds

jesus christ

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>>382160418
>>382160452
>>382160619
>>382160665
>>382172073


>/v/ always says M+KB is the only way to play FPS games

>use M+KB for FPS game

>N-NO YOU CAN'T DO THAT IT'S NOT FAIR IT'S NOT R-RIGHT!!!C-CHEEEEATEERRRR!!

you can't have it both ways, hypocrites

>>382160665
I agree with you, but your analogy is retarded.
If players using a mouse are made identifyable and there are servers available for people to play together based on normal or shit input if they don't want to get stomped/have no resisitance, it doesn't matter.
You can hop onto any quakelive server with an n64 controller or steelbattalions desk if you want, the game is still the same. If at one point people find out an ever better solution to fps controls than mouse+kb i'm sure people will use it in competetions and have fun with it.

If you can completely break the game by silly controllers than the game itself is shit.

>>382160665
>eating contest
Get the fuck out

>>382173138
I never understood fightsticks, they are horribly uncomfortable and a decent controller is always better

>>382162548
Food analogies are wrong on /v/ 100% time, granted this is mainly because every time they are used they're false equivalencies.

A more apt analogy would be comparing someone using shitty dollar store cleats vs. someone using top of the line name brand cleats.

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>>382173340
>sports analogies
oh boy fellas, if you thought youd seen autism, strap yourself the fuck IN

>>382173138
>people have always played arcade games on official arcade cabinets
>people replicate it for an at-home experience
all is fine and normal

>casual shooter game for people to unwind and relax in
>retard tryhards come in to purposefully curbstomp players with retarded hacked up input methods
this is not fine

a better comparison would be between a fight stick and a hitbox

>>382164484
then the ball gets gunked up, or a piece of hair gets in it and you are FUCKED

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>>382173565
>with retarded hacked up input methods

>>382173565
Calling someone tryhard for using kb+m to beat controllers i can agree with, they want to feel good beating players that mostly use gimped controls.
But i would rather call everybody using controllers for fps "players with retarded input methods" as opposed to people choosing to use one that actually works a damn.

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>>382173565
>the intended way to play fps games with , mouse and keyboard
>retarded input method

>>382173332
A large amount of it is personal preference and/or familiarity from actual arcades. But there's definitely things that are easier than on pad, like pressing/holding multiple buttons at once, plinking, and motions.

>>382166368
How 5'11 niggas play games

>>382173332
On a controller, the average person uses the right thumb to control 3-4 buttons alone

On a fightstick, you can assign every finger on your right hand to it's own button if you wanted to

>>382166368
There's already fake joycons being made?

>>382166368
Perfect for manlytears

>controllers are just as good as KB+M at FPS, you pcbros are just elitists
>you can't use kb+m in a console FPS, that's cheating!
Which is it?

>>382174283
Shit man I'm 5'9''

Anyone got a controller I can use? That ones too big

Doesn't the mouse just act like the right stick and not an actual mouse?

damn, that's pretty clever. I think it would be the objectively best way of playing something where you want analogue movement for third-person sneaking, but also need to aim a ranged weapon. So Splinter Cell, MGS, etc.

>>382160665
>it's always fucking food analogies

>>382160259
What i want to know is,
Does this work well on PC?
and does it have rumble?

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>>382160259
>Buying a 100+$ gadget to play a 40$ game.
End your existence, faggot.

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So how about a controller with an analog stick on one side and a trackball on the other?

>>382175509
Why

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>>382160665
>hotdog eating contest in console land
>controller fags wearing boxing gloves
>eating hotdogs is still possible but hard since they can't be picked up easily
>mouse using nobleman wears finger gloves with hotdog magnets
>allowed to due so because it is never said to be against the rules
The game is the same (eating/fps) and you still need to do the same things to play at high level (dunk dogs in water/know maps and gameplay well) but some things for mouse men are just easier (picking up dogs/keeping sights on enemies.)
I own a xim4

>>382175509

UHH

UMM

I THINK YOU MEAN -MULTIPLE- $40 GAMES

>>382176758
there's a difference, though
you're deliberately entering a contest where 99% of the contestants are wearing boxing gloves, while you're using finger gloves and hotdog magnets
it goes against the spirit of the competition and introduces an unfair advantage
it's like winning first place in the special olympics

>>382173138
>Xim 4
>Not approved by MS or Sony

>Hori Stick
>Aprroved by MS and Sony

PS4 and XB1 both have Native MKB support if the game allows it

Xim 4 is considered cheating since it tricks the console into believing it's a controller

Overshitwatch already called out you ximcucks

>>382173558
Next they'll be making car analogies

>>382176948
>it's like winning first place in the special olympics
that's right, playing FPS on console is for retards

>>382177056
>go to a local car meet in your souped up miata while everyone else is in a pickup truck
>proceed to go long and finish with a tasty high score on the leaderboards

>>382176976
It's still not cheating just because other people are handicapping themselves by using a controller.

>>382177056
before you know it, the autisms gonna shift into 5th gear

>>382160605
for movement. Mouse for aiming and firing.
Best of both worlds.

>>382167310
But that's wrong.

Optical lenses feed x and y data along with the position and dot change. There's a series of algorithms that make it feel smooth.

http://computer.howstuffworks.com/question631.htm

>>382160665
Woah...so this...is the power.....of food analogies. Woah....

>>382177436
>best of both worlds
Joystick movement isn't ideal in every game though, joysticks are less precise so you get buttfucked in something like Counter Strike where you need quick control over your movements, and it makes things like rocket jumping harder too. It's really only good in slow games like Rainbow Six Siege or for playing game with driving and shooting.

>>382176948
You know there are probably a lot of good athletes in the special olympics. It's not like they don't train just because they're retarded.

>>382160259
Not tourney-legal but if pushing children around on Xbox Live is your thing, I'm not stopping you. Loser.

People only use food analogies because they are guaranteed replies #facts

>>382177691
Full control over how fast to move in at least 8 cardinal directions?
I would get it if you were talking about aiming since Mouse trumps analog aim but Movement a keyboard is by far inferior.

>>382176948
I got the xim4 for $100. If anyone wanted one and felt like it would enhance their game, they could buy one for less than a pro controller.
Why doesn't anyone complain about pro controllers? They give you an advantage too because you don't have to lift your thumbs from the sticks for anything

Guys stop being retarded. You are talking to people who play FPS on console in the first place. Let them think whatever they want. Let them think their xim is as good as PC controls. Let them think it matters what Microsoft and Sony approved - as if PC gamers even give a fuck what the developers approved, much less their OS vendor. Let them autistically screech about controls while ignoring that different people have different screens and internet, which will make as big a difference as this stupid control converter. PC players don't complain that their opponent has a better mouse than them. Because they aren't retarded. My opponents can use a guitar hero controller for all I care but even someone THAT retarded wouldn't complain that I am cheating by using a steelseries 300 and not the mouse that came with my monitor.

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>>382176976
Sony has officially approved M&K emulators from Hori that function just like the Xim4. So your argument goes down the shitter.

Right now your comparison is as retarded as saying that buying an unofficial arcade stick (which are 90% of them) instead of the handful of official ones in production is "cheating" because it's not 100% approved by Sony.

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>>382163376

Fucking console niggers. they can't git gud so they have to rely on everyone being gimped to have a good time.

I honestly have no idea why you'd use that abortion of a controller for your left hand, though. Looks fucking awful. Use a god damned joystick for your left hand and a mouse in your right. If these things support multiple inputs that'd be god tier for a Battlefield like game. You could use a hoystick on your left hand, mouse on the right, and have a second joystick or throttle when you hop into an air vehicle.

>>382169016
anon I have a stick but I think hitbox would be a straight upgrade

>>382179103
Yeah but you'd also have some autismo crying that you aren't using the same controller as them!

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>>382163829
i have that

>>382167693
I remember that the analog stick was way better than the fucking garbage one on the original controllers.

>>382160259
what they need are sticks with resistant feedback, that tighten when you hold the left trigger.

>>382179103
Short analog stick > unwieldy joystick for on-foot ambulation

If you were "interested" enough in a console fps to get a XIM4, why not just play it on PC? The controller may be trash, but that doesn't mean you can't be good enough with it to do well in MP. The real reason is that people like this would be trash on PC and trash on console, so they need something to handicap the already inferior console players.

>>382179423
There's no way they'd fucking know. Console niggers are just fucking retards anyways. Their leader boards have been a joke for decades. They'll start screaming shit as soon as you start doing well no matter what. I blew ass at MW2 and only played it ironically, and I'd still get accused of using an aimbot every time I played. Back when I was like 15 my bro and I would play BFBC2 and rape the fuck out every one, and get accused of cheating, nevermind there were no fucking cheats for that game. We were just high on meth. Yeah, never mind you can't turn on voice chat without hearing 99% tasteless profanity, some people using their preferred input are ruining console online multiplayer.

>>382179902
So the joystick that supports itself and has been used as an FPS input method for 30 years is more unweildly than two thirds of a controller strapped to your hand? Got it, dipshit.

>>382179885
higher end control systems in general are what gaming needs to elevate

>>382160452
>These are the exact kind of devices that Blizzard is trying to ban. Due to console users trying to evolve
wew

You guys do realize that the only way to stop these adapters is to promote native keyboard/mouse support on console games.

>>382178796
90% of sticks are official

Even with modded parts

>>382181541
That would cut into the kikery of only supporting the new controllers.
>Hey anon we know how you have a bunch of last gen controllers and that there's literally no reason they aren't adequate for new games(sans the 2 PS4 games that use the touchpad) but we're going to need you to buy the new ones.
>That'll be $59.99 plus tip.
Also you would piss off the consoletards by allowing them to be destroyed by people using proper peripherals.

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>>382160259
Hey Woolie

>>382177570
>>382161008
>>382161010

It's taking the absolute x and y changes from the mouse and turns them into stick positions. E.g. You move the mouse to the left 2 seconds, the software in this thing converts it into holding the stick at position X=-2 Y=0 for 2 seconds.

The Steam controller can also do this. You can have mouse-like aiming on a game that doesn't support simultaneous Gamepad+Mouse.

>>382170708
Some games don't like this because they're not programmed by smart people but it's not some system-level weirdness you seem to think it is.

>>382182759
Did you read the link?

What about DSP? Isn't that corroboration enough for the design?

>>382182095
Keyboards and mouses last a long time. I can use the same keyboard and mouse I used on my PS2 and use it fine on my PS4. Controllerfags are the ones spending money each playstation generation on new controllers, and even in some cases controller mods.

>>382160665
You don't bring your own hotdogs and buns to a hotdog eating contest.

>>382178180
>3 fingers directly on the direction keys
>1 thumb pushing a joystick
which do you think would allow for more precise movement?
that being said, there are some games that im sure this set up would be nice and fun for. competitive though, no.

>>382160259
how do you a b y x?

>>382185160
>pressing two opposite directions cancel out your input.
>having to use multiple fingers to move in any directions out of the standard north east south west.
>Can't slow your speed without the help of additional buttons.
Yeah, no. analog has it beat hands down.
That and 70% of the entire control scheme is mapped to retarded buttons across the keyboard in which you must contort your hand to use.
No fucking thanks.

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>>382173138
>he can't play fightan with a keyboard
Casul

>>382185254
mouse has buttons, and there are 5 buttons where the triggers usually are.

>>382174161
chocolate abuelita?? wtf???

>>382187034
But then what about triggers?

>>382185871
do those work with modern consoles?

>>382163376
>6 shifts
Why?

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>>382160259
OK, seems like both this & the Venom X4 can make the mouse x-input (mandatory for making sure the analog stays analog)

Question is, which is better?
Tac grip has more controller buttons, the strap, a touchscreen, & more-stable software.
Venom has more mouse buttons/a better mouse & more flexible software.

Fuck

>>382187201
If you need the analog triggers too, (eg racing games), you're probably better off with a full, stock controller.

>>382187880
>>382187201
hm, though now I wonder if there's a mouse out there with a spring-loaded throttle on it....

>>382185478
>Can't slow your speed without the help of additional buttons.
This is actually a pro since it allows you to immediately change your direction fully which allows for stutter stepping, an infinitely more useful ability than jogging at a 30 degree angle. And besides outside of some non-competitive games there's basically no reason to ever go anything but as fast possible or slow enough to be quiet. And before you go >but racing games those are better played on dedicated peripherals.

>>382160259
This would be fine if it ditched the touchpad. Now it's just an unbalanced mess.

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Speaking of controllers I hope knuckles works with non vr games

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>>382160665
>modded buns

my sides

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>>382172846
I'd like sauce on the girl senpai!

If you want a mouse to look with in games you might as well get a PC. Why even struggle with this garbage.

>>382191848
Dipshits who want to play with their friends who don't have a PC. So they pay an online subscription on top of a $120 peripheral just to play these games properly.

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>>382160259
>$100
>60 to access online content
>smaller playerbase than PC
>Worse performance
Why do consoles exist?

>>382166368
Damn, I thought this was an actual controller for a second. I bet it's actually doable.
I'd love to see a controller small enough to fit on a keychain, I guess for the novelty of having a bluetooth controller with you wherever you go.

>>382160259
Wouldn't this setup not be viable on PC due to how most PC games tend to freak out when simultaneously using a KB/M and a gamepad?

>>382160259
>Literally all the best parts of the controller ripped out and replaced by mouse.

Gee, let me think about it.

>>382192239
> posts a persona meme

>>382163376
I've actually used one of these and it's as dumb as it looks

>>382170834
>People who complain about food analogies are so fucking retarded
Imagine being so fat you look at video games and all you see is food

>>382191848
Because mouse-look also means no analog sticks/triggers.
Which means being limited to 8 directions & on/off for throttle.

>>382192746
you would be shocked at how many games don't 'freak out' at all when using controller and mouse at the same time, ive been doing it since gta 4 almost a decade ago. many games gracefully support this and even the ui/context menus change on the fly to reflect what your using.

>>382192746
That's the point- OP & similar gadgets convert the mouse input into xinput & emulates the stick.
Game sees it as a single normal controller.

>>382160259
That loojs awkward to hold

>>382192830
>best parts of controller
>the right analog stick
>the thing which is inferior in every way to the mouse for camera control
>best part of the controller

>>382193920
Triggers make absolutely no difference in modern shooters.
Almost every modern fps uses digital inputs for movement, which means analog sticks don't give you any advantage. You want to make precise movements into 8 directions rather than imprecise movements into freeform directions.
Analog is useful in games such as Souls where locking on and running at slight angle towards enemy might actually be useful, but try CS for a moment with gamepad and you realize what kind of pain in the ass strafing in and out of cover with analog stick is.
Being able to immediately switch from -100 to 100 with extreme precision is much higher advantage than minute detail in movement direction, something you can already carefully control with the mouse anyways by turning around.

>>382163829
i'd use that as well as the GC one

Is that touchpad tumor in the middle really necessary?

>>382196240
Probably not.
Any PS fags know if it's useful at all?

>>382196827
Its really not, the only time it's ever really used is when the game wants a "select" button because of ps4 retarded wasted share button.

>>382162548
you sound about 38 times more whiny my man

>>382198783
Hm, but still it seems like the extra weight+strap might make it feel more stable than a lighter wand-type controller.

>>382177357
>It's still not cheating just because other people are handicapping themselves by not cheating
Lol okay faggot

>>382198783
>>382196827
Wipeout omega collection uses it to go forward/backward on the song selection list.
Let it die uses it for it's mushroom throwing/consuming system.
I think that's literally it. Apart from some bullshit "use the touchpad to do the QTE" horsecock.

>mouse aim with the perk of auto-aim
Must be pretty easy to mow people down on PS4 with it, yeah?

>>382193272
Imagine being such a faggot you had to post that?

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>>382160665
>modded buns
Those fucking GMOs are in my BUNS NOW?

>>382193272
imagine being so dense that you miss points entirely