What ruined the franchise?

>>382159971
Waifus

>>382159971
Waifu

Not exactly ruined, but IS focusing too much on what Japanese fans want over the larger oversea fanbase hasn't helped the series much.

>>382160225
Sooo... ruined?

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>ruined
>series is way more successful and popular then it's ever been

>>382159971
I can still play all the FEs I like so nothing you little pansy.

Lgbts

waifus

>>382160013
fpbp

>>382160569
I guess nothing was ruined about the elder scrolls, or Cod or gta then hey?

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>>382159971
Nothing. It's better than ever and you hipster ass faggots on /v/ can't accept more people enjoy it now (plus with stuff like Conquest, the gameplay is better and more difficult than anything before it). It's appealing to both hardcore players and casuals. The only thing is that the story hasn't been as good as Tellius, but besides that everything is better. Niggers.

>>382160013
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>>382160725
Faggots

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>>382160759
>cod
>ever good

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The GBA games.

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>>382160225
>>382160569
>>382160591
>>382160773
>>382160803

It's degenerates like you that allowed this to happen

>>382160569
Something going mainstream and being a "success" tends to ruin what made it unique and cool in the first place, yes. Remember, when the dudebros and brodudes start infesting something, like what happened with video gaming in general, everything has to be dumbed down to accommodate for them, or it ends up being a commercial flop. Lowest common denominator, etc.

The Elderscrolls franchise is a perfect example of this.

>>382160773
>b-b-but waifu are GOOD!
The fact that we're not getting another Advanced Wars because the developer literally can't figure out how to "romance tanks" and make it more about dating like Fire Emblem should tell you all you need to know about the state of waifufaggotry. FE should have died with respect rather than go the route it did.

>>382160917
Your mom wasn't very good before I ruined her either.

Replacing Marth with two hotheads and a gorilla brute.

>>382159971
Me.

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>>382161431
how dare you

It was never good

>"""""""""strategy"""""""""""" game
>over 50% of the game is RNG

Doesn't help that it's turn based too

>>382160773
>plus with stuff like Conquest, the gameplay is better and more difficult than anything before it)
What you mean by this? Don't know Radiant Dawn at least!?

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>>382159971
some say waifushit
others say bad balance

one thing is for sure, hector singlehandedly saved the franchise

>>382160013
>>382160043
>>382160653
What are you talking about? Fire emblem always had waifus in it. You think Lynfags don't exist or something?

>>382162481
It's only okay if it isn't Awakening or Fates

It's more successful than ever. You crying about the games not appealing to you anymore won't change that. FE fags are fucking insufferable.

>>382159971
firing Kaga
going on handheld
then going on handheld a second time

Awakening

>>382163457
Honestly I hate this fanbase so much everyone is a fucking faggot whether it be classic or modern fags

>>382159971
I'd rather have something than nothing.

>>382162165
Lots of SRPGs have RNG you moron. I guess Final Fantasy Tactics is shit too.

>>382159971
Oldfags in general and newfags that didn't want to try out the older games ruined the fanbase. The franchise is alive and well.

What was wrong with Echoes? It was pretty good and definitely better than the original game.

>>382159971
Nobody will admit it, but maps ruined the franchise.

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>>382159971
>>382160013
>>382160043
>>382160653
>>382160725
>>382160759
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>>382161281
>>382162205
>(u) right now

lmoa @ (u)

>>382159971

Moving to handheld.

>5: The last good game.

>6: Shitty rehash of older game but worse.

>7: 1year rush job and it shows. Rehashed mechanics, animations and sprites. One of the absolute worst stories in the franchise and a MC cast so wooden and boring there's not a single character arc between them.

>8: Casual baby shit. Another one year rush job. Rehashing the systems AGAIN. The literal "Fire Emblem" plot and a cast with literally two memorable characters.

>9: Casual baby shit. Literally "Move Ike Forward, End Turn." Is the solution to every single level. Hardest difficulty is trying to stay awake.

>10: Casual baby shit. Story ruins everything good about 9 and the abilty to save and load literally whenever you want is more causal than Phoenix Mode.

>11: (lol

>12: (lol

>>382160013
>>382160043
this desu

>>382165759
see:
>>382165264

>>382164254
It was one of the greatest 3DS fire emblems but it does have some problems.
Not to sounds like a muhmapsfaggot but everything was either an open field, a boat, a swamp, or a corridor.
It was pretty easy too. No Lunatic for some reason. Dread fighters are completely busted, Saber with the brave sword (You did kill Deen right?) ate the game for me. Witches have dumb AI half the time.

>>382164254
desu nothing except maps, fucking swamp fortress.

>>382165759
>Autistic Shrieking

>>382165935
>You did kill Deen right?

>implying ANYONE would choose a 4th or possibly 5th mercenary over a hot mage

>>382164254

>maps are complete shit and dont even deserve to be called maps
>always the same objective
>shitty supports
>shitty class change system
>weapons dont break
>white mages breaking the game
>teleporting witches, complete bullshit
>lel we admit this game is shit, just take this turn-back-time tool, we dont give a fuck about good game design
>hardest enemy in the game is a nameless mercenary with a leather shield that you meet in the first 20 minutes

>>382166671
who wouldn't? Deen is objectively better stats wise

>>382166671
I was too retarded and a stupid hoe tricked me into killing Sonya.

He's k.

>>382159971
Lazy map design

>>382166969
Even if his stats are better, Celica's route is so oversaturated with mercenaries. I mean, don't get me wrong, if you like Deen, he's a valid option. But magic is crazy broken in Echoes, and Sonya gets some rad spells too.

>>382160013
>>382160043
this
>>382162481
people sexualizing characters is different from the blatant waifu pandering of awakening or fates, and i enjoyed them

>>382159971
The fanbase

We got the Smug newfags that need a punch to the face, we got the hypocritical gba/and tellius fags that love acting retarded, and then we have the hipster nes/snes fags that still like to pretend they're above it all when they shitpost as much as the others. Faggots everywhere, a sane person wouldn't post in FE threads of any kind.

>>382166969
But you get the brave sword earlier which helps with Grieth's Fortress; and do you really need 4 dread fighters (6 if you made Atlas and Kliff dread fighters)?
Sonya was pretty useful with Excalibur and Recover and she could replace Boey.

>>382166961
>witches
>bad
They added some difficulty and the turnwheel fixes all their problems. They never do the same thing twice.

Ike's games killed the series, people love to say awakening killed it but we already had garbage like FE2, FE4's shitty maps and SS even before Tellius and the unbalanced remakes.

Waifu's are a hallmark of the series and aside from pair up Awakening didn't introduce anything else than hadn't been implemented poorly already.

>>382159971
6

>>382160569
They changed the game and made it more popular.
/v/ thinks that just because a bunch of people like something, it must suck.

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>>382167586
>Only awakening and fates had blatant waifu panderi-

>>382167598
This, fuck this cancerous fanbase

>>382162481
There's no point in arguing with GBA fags. For some odd reason they think 7 is the pinnacle of the series.

You faggots that hate waifu's know that modern FE has plenty of husbando's to satisfy your gay tendencies right?

>>382168179
Not even Erk likes Serra.

>>382168179
Even tho she was annoying I still loved her

>>382159971
there was nothing to ruin.

>>382159971
Kamui and Aqua.

>>382163763
It's telling when discussion of the fucking gacha model mobile game is far better than discussion of the regular games.

>>382167598
Heroes threads were good but those aren't allowed on /v/ anymore.

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>>382169885
It's too bad the good discussion isn't allowed on /v/ anymore. I say fuck it and just talk about Heroes in regular FE threads now.

>>382167598
Wow, you nailed it.

>>382162205
>Radiant Dawn gameplay
>Good

Being slightly harder than Path of Radiance is easy when Path of Radiance is one of the easiest Fire Emblem games in the series.

>>382159971
Everything

>>382161016
Travant did nothing wrong, the Yield """massacre""" is a lie spread by anti-loptarians in Leonster. Quan attacked Travant, Travant was just defending himself and his country.

>>382167598
>Mfw assume I might be able to find a better discussion on fucking Reddit
>Maps and gameplay aren't important to Fire Emblem
>Difficulty isn't important to Fire Emblem unless it's Awakening and Fates, but the same complaints aren't allowed on older games
>Story and character design is all that matters
>Censorship is good for Fire Emblem
>I cheesed Awakening and Fates with grinding and pair-up and online features so they are the worst in the series
>I've never played Gaiden but it's definitely the 2nd best in the series after Echoes
>More games need to be harder like Genealogy and Tellius

Jesus, and I though /v/ and /vg/ were bad. I'm a fucking FE7 baby and I'm horrified by the blatant hating on the newer games there, and I didn't even like Awakening's gameplay or Fates' story.

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What the fuck are you niggers even crying about? The franchise is booming with new games, remakes, and spin offs being made every year.

If you the idea of Awakening and Fates mechanics make you so butt mad, then don't play them.

>>382165293
>the abilty to save and load literally whenever you want is more causal than Phoenix Mode.
I bet you praise Genealogy, too.

>>382162481
Correction: Self inserts and waifus at the same time. Mark doesn't count 'cause he's a cuck. Therefore, FE12 is what marked the downfall of the series.

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>>382172651
>I'm a fan of fire emblem
>Fire emblem reached out to new people and pander to me less! I wish it failed so that no could enjoy it! I am the true fan!
Why do GBAcucks do this?

>>382172761
You can't do it whenever you want—only at the start of every turn. Considering how long the maps are it's completely justified.

>>382172651
>What the fuck are you niggers even crying about?
Do you not know how to read? Look at the thread.

>>382173505
All I see are a bunch of fags complaining about girls even though there's an equal amount of men to please them

>>382170917
Mods have been becoming a piece of shit anus cancer lately.

>>382173134
>You can't do it whenever you want—only at the start of every turn
So whenever you want. There's hardly a difference between start of the turn and after you move some units. The game even gives you the option to autosave at the start of every turn for fuck's sake.
>Considering how long the maps are it's completely justified
Yes the big maps does make mid-chapter saves necessary but only being able to do so when you seize a castle would've been perfect.

kaga leaving ISIS pretty much killed the series

>>382159971
awakening

>>382159971
Waking = waifus

>>382173765
They're complaining about waifu pandering, and self inserts. Also if someone were to complain about waifushit what makes you think they'd like husbandoshit as well?

>>382159971
Usually bringing something back from the dead causes brain damage to it.

>>382174932
Pretty much this. ISIS really didn't know what to do with the series after he left, so they kept pretty much every game after he left the same until they found they can milk money out of weebs and otakus.

>>382174932
>>>/pol/

>>382175384
*Pretty much kept making the same game

>>382173039
That's not Gba fans it's all the oldfags

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>>382160773
Conquest was great, just finished it. The story however was fucking balls. I mean I'm not picky with stories in my jrpgs but godamn it was like a 10 year old wrote that shit.

Should I even bother with the other routes?

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>>382159971
>The character design became trash after Path of Radiance and Shadow Dragon, with edgy, unrealistic designs and waifushit.
>Recent games featuring self insert protagonist with amnesia or whatever is a disgusting trope that completely destroy the worldbuilding that the series was known for.
>Bad writing. Character motives are vague as shit. Bad guys are caricatures of evil incarnate instead of simply being rival kindgoms trying to get by.
>Music is not as memorable.
>Maps used for battle rarely make geographical sense. It seems like they just "Hey, a map in the desert would be great" and they make a map in the desert even though the last battle was fought in a forest.
These are a few things I have noticed. I'm not the biggest FE fan out there and to be honest, I never completed any of them, but Genealogy of the Holy War is my favorite because of how real the world feels. Each battle takes place in an entire kindgom, instead of a tiny plain, and the end of one map is the beginning of the other. It's great.

>>382177161
the other routes don't have stories so good that they make up for not having conquest like gameplay.

Etika

>>382177350
Piss off nigga dick eating shill

>>382177220
Aww, Is the gameplay really that different? I heard Hoshido was easier and Revelation was a rushed piece of shit

>>382177202
You do realize that genealogy started the whole kids bullshit, never mind the maps the fact that you can literally shatter that game with no effort by having literally the right two people smash and birth a demigod it's just stupid to me

>>382177913
Yeah its pretty different; Birthright is Awakening style, and Revelations is gimmick after gimmick, but has terrible unit balance.

nothing. it's better than ever

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Smash Bros

>>382177202
Aside from armor designs the rest is just nitpicking, or in the case of music just wrong.
The bad guys have always been mustache twirling douchebags aside from 6 and 8. Genealogy was shit because it tried to hard with it's map.

>>382178323
This. I'm mostly mad that fucking Roy gets shilled everywhere because of "muh boy" meme by smashfags that have never played his horrid excuse for a FE game.

>>382178669
6 was good you dingus

>>382161016

I just want Fire Emblem to be as great as it was in the Jugdral duology.

>>382178669
Binding Blade was pretty good though. Roy as a lord is fucking garbage. Hell people give Blazing Blade a lot of praise when there are a lot of maps ripped from FE6. Want to know what binding blade didnt have? Two chapters where you could fail before you are able to do anything because the NPC AI is so fucking retarded. Want to watch Pent die 2 turns in because he refuses to use his elixir at 8 health?

>>382178669

Binding Blade was good, though.

>>382179126
no it wasnt

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>>382178323
>tfw Smash Bros is more of a love letter to older Fire Emblem fans than an actual crossover Fire Emblem game

>>382181830
Why, because it has meme characters Roy and Ike?

>>382159971
Waifus were always there, i enjoy all fe games becuase im not a major fag

>>382181989
They weren't meme characters before Smash, retard.

>>382182398
True, Roy was simply one of the blandest Lords in the series and Ike was the biggest mary sue before Corrin came to be.

>>382182595
>Ike
>Mary Sue
Explain. Unless that's a really weird way of spelling Micaiah. Hell, Ephraim is more of a "Mary Sue" than Ike is.

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>>382183021
>Explain.

>>382178341
I can understand the music, but how is 2 and 3 nitpicking?

My Unit

It catalyzed the flattening and homogenization of characters as every character had to be appealing not just to their canon partner, but to the player as well, meaning anything that was a rough edge or remotely unique was cut for the sake of mass appeal

>>382183204

>The hardworking merc who saved the world with his sweat and blood takes the spotlight from the chosen one Mary Sue who fucks children

Yes, and?

>>382183204
Alright fair point. But Ike earns his way into being respected by everyone, everyone starts eating Micaiah's pussy the moment she's introduced.

And while Ike killed a fucking god, it was at the end of the game when Ike has reached his maximum power level. Ephraim somehow escapes from being surrounded by Valter's troops on all sides without any injuries not even halfway through the game.

>>382160013
fpbp

>>382183021
Not that guy, and Mary Sue's a dumb term and I don't think either of them are, but I dislike rd!Ike. The guy's got no character arc, since all his development happened in Path of Radiance, and offscreen. And despite having no character arc, he hijacks the plot, like if Jotaro hijacked JJBA from Josuke.

And then there's his random ending where he just ditches everyone that has no reasoning for it. PoR!Ike is fine, but RD!Ike is bizarre.

>>382183747

Comparing Micaiah to Josuke does a great disservice to the latter.

>>382183747
It's probably the fault of RD being horribly rushed. ISIS didn't really know what to do with Ike and Micaiah.

>>382183840
I'm only comparing them in terms of plot role. Whether or not Micaiah is a good character or not, or if you like Jotaro over Josuke or not, its pretty lame for a static character to take over and steal the spotlight.

Anyone else really really disappointed in the Musou?

>>382183651
I'm not disagreeing with any of that I just thought that was the perfect opportunity to post that gif.

>>382184140
Disappointed. I'm kind of hoping that it'll do well, so it'll have a potential sequel with new characters from the older FEs, but they're probably just going to add more Post-FE12 characters.

>>382184140
Definitely. I don't even dislike Awakening/Fates but I really wish each game got at least 3 representatives. My dreams of Black Knight being the games Lu Bu have been crushed.

On a side note I'm impressed with Xander's moveset.

>>382184140

As soon as the first info dropped and I realized it had started development before the FE heroes popularity poll.

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>>382184140
>Shitty OCs
>The roster is full of Nu-Fire Emblem and Marth
Pretty disappointed yeah

>>382184073

Meh. To each their own. I'd rather have a static character I like in the lead rather than an insufferable one who hasn't finished their arc yet.

>>382184140
I don't care for "mash square: the genre" so no. I bet most people don't care for the actual game, they just want to see their favorite game being represented.

>>382177913

Birthright is a pretty generic FE story. Beat the evil kingdom, stop the mean dragon, etc. It is pretty easy though, partly because of Ryoma and his loljinto.

Revelations' story is as bad as Conquest, but the maps are all gimmicky garbage and the unit balance is legitimately the worst in the series.

>>382184140
>Only characters shown are Awakening/Fates + Marth and OCs
>Everybody has swords

I already had low expectations because it's a musou, but man they managed to hit every negative right off the bat.

>>382184664
Its more of the awkward switch they do. Introducing that insufferable character and then never finishing their arc because they got replaced by someone else who never changes is like putting a amputating and then putting a band-aid on. Just not a fan of how that happened.

>>382184537
>Awakening is not an Archanea game

Have Western "fans" even played more games that just GBA, Radiant or the 3DS games.?

>>382185132
What are you talking about? I know what continent Awakening takes place on.

I really wish Nintendo would translate Fire Emblem 6 and release it, just to see all the Royfag tears.

>>382160013
this honestly

>>382186758
I wish Miiverse wasn't going way so we could see them.

>y cant lord live!?!?!

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>>382186758
>implying it wouldn't be echoes 2.0

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Casuals.

>>382188593
>Having trouble with the swamp maps
Someone didn't have dread fighters. I bet they are waiting for level 20 to promote.

>>382188593
>but Echoes' challenges are uninspired and grueling
this is 100% correct. celica's side is a pain in the ass and alm's side is boring

>>382159971
Catering to weebs. Same reason why anime is fucking garbage now.

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>>382190268
this

>>382190268
>Catering to weebs
????
You mean neet otakus?

>>382192809
Whatever the name is for the smelly autists and teenage lesbians that don't go outside.