>Metroidvania This word is fucking stupid

Hey, at least it's not as bad as "moba"

>>382141340
tru, tru

"Soulsborne" pisses me off so goddamn much.

>>382141658
the 'dark demon blood' series rolls off the tongue better

>>382141128
Character
Action
I actually use this term

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The name unambiguously describes a genre of games which are clones of the game design concepts pioneered by the Metroid and Castlevania series. What's the problem here? Are you the kind of person who gets butthurt when somebody uses the term Roguelike for a game that isn't literally an exact duplicate of rogue in every single detail?

>>382141658
this desu

It's not fucking Souls, it's Demon's Souls or Dark Souls. Souls is too vague and is used in the titles of other games e.g. soul calibur, titan souls etc.

>>382141128
>"""""""Undervania"""""""

>>382141927
You have to go back.

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>>382141128
>Roguelike

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>Souls-like

The worst genre title is "action adventure"

99% of games are labeled as "action adventure", the title is fucking meaningless

>The Legend of Zelda (NES), Metal Gear Solid, and Another World are all considered the same genre

fucking retarded

It's a fine word. It accurately describes what the game is, a hybrid of metroid and castlevania gameplay.

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>>382142063
It actually makes sense though
Action is too generic
Hack n Slash is another genre entirely
You surely can't use Action RPG, as most of them aren't rpgs
The remaining option would be Spectacle Fighter but it sounds just as dumb
Don't have a choice, really.

>>382142253

I don't think it's entirely useless, just overused. To me, action adventure implies something like Indiana Jones. Relatively lighthearted, easily identifiable villains, a simple objective, and action. Basically a popcorn flick.

Even though Dark Souls has action in it, and involves an adventure of sorts, I would never call it action adventure, or Metal Gear, etc.

>>382141128
Suggest an alternative then.

>>382142253
It's an umbrella genre. Same with action-RPG, which covers everything from Ys to Deus Ex. There's nothing inherently wrong with vague categorization, but certainly it's original meaning has been lost to the point of meaninglessness when shit like Uncharted is called action-adventure.

>>382141128
Would you prefer Castleroid then?

What is the Post-Avant Jazzcore of video game genres?

>>382142427
Stylish-action. Character-action makes no sense.

>>382142596
Explorative platformer

>>382141128
>Metroid and CastleVania take exploration and powerup gathering to the next level, allowing the player to explore the entirety of the map with backtracking and shortcuts with branching paths while also locking things away behind needed powerup yet allowing truly skilled players to get past them regardless without breaking the game
No it's literally the only two games that we're good at doing what they did.

>>382142791
Like Mario World?

>>382142427
"Character Action" doesn't even make sense

>>382142873
Naw

>>382141128
>RE4 clone

>>382142681
This is way cooler sounding.

>>382141939
>Metroid and Castlevania
>And Castlevania
No, nigger. Metroidvania is only applicable to the Castlevania games that replicate the Metroid layout of 2D non-linear, upgrade-based progression, exploration heavy style of action games.
Any other use of it is fucking wrong. You might as well just call them Metroidlikes.

>>382143363
Too bad that's not how anyone uses it, autist.

>>382143430
It's how we used it in the 90s.

>words definition may differ a little from their literal meaning
SHOCKING

Only /vr/ gets triggered by Metroidvania.

>muh explorative action/rpg/platforming/puzzle hybrid game which may or may not have multiple levels

>>382142873
That isn't explorative

What about Underbound? 0-o
Games that take inspiration from Undertale or Earthbound by having pixel graphics, silent protagonists, etc

>>382142872
>and CastleVania
No fuck off, Castlevania had nothing to do with that style of gameplay until SotN came along and made the series mediocre forever

>>382141658
Especially since it basically refers to any third-person game with a melee focus.

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>>382144205
>0-o

Why are they called bullet hells? When was this phrase coined?

>>382144958
It's some weird translation of the word Danmaku, which the japs always use.

Whys it called an rpg? You play a role in any game.

>>382144837
Thats the least questionable thing about that post

>>382144837
>>382145180
It's bait you dummies

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>sickdark

>Put two game titles together
>Call it a genre
No. Fuck off. You don't call first-person shooters Doomsteins.

>>382142698
progressive dreamfunk is better

>>382145153
Because "play a role" in this case means playing a role you've picked out for yourself.

>genre: action adventure

Theres action and adventure in almost every game

>>382143363
That's not how words work.
You sound like one of the guys back in the 60's arguing "gay" just describes happy people.
Words are given meaning by assignment people use with them not the other way around.

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>rpg
>not even specified what kind, just rpg

>>382144958
The funniest thing about the MOBA genre is that it's basically not a genre. It's a gimped RTS with some games that are EXACT clones.
It would be like making a super-casual version of tetris that didn't require any planning whatsoever (game automatically highlights where to place each piece), then some companies make exact duplicates of the game once it's successful. Then since there are multiple games, retards decide to call it a new genre.

>>382141658
>borne in the name
>only one game
Its fucking dumb
Bloodborne was more of a spinoff, its not like you mention metal gear revengeance in the shorthand for mgs

>>382145358
There's fighting and jumping in almost every game too.

>>382145284
I do now, thanks.

>>382141836
>soulsbourne, the two mose boring words of the series

>>382145358
>genre: fighting

Theres fighting in almost every game.

>>382145284
Doomstein sounds pretty good actually.

>>382145284
Of course you don't call them Doomsteins. You call them Halo clones, like a normal person would.

>>382142427
Honestly just calling it cuhhhrazyyyyy is the easiest for me

>>382141128
>oh metroidvania... so that means it is a castlevania game right
>nope
>Oh, so it is games styled like Sotn? Hold on, but SotN is a Super Metroid clone that would make them just Adventure Platformers
>nope
>Then how the fuck is a Metroid game classified by the title of a clone that came out years after the original's release?
>nope
the mental gymnastics for this "genre" are horrifying. It would be like if Doom was called a Wolfenstoom and this genre also included all first person shooters

>>382145458
Its 2017 and /v/irgins still cant accept the existence of mobas. This is getting sad. Youre like an old fart.

>Kids these days and their mobas! Back in my day we had multiple units! And base building!
>But grandpa, mobas and rts have nothing to do with each other anymore. Did every unit in an rts have builds, passives and skillsets

>>382145790
It'd be more like if Doom was classififed as a Doomnukem.

>>382145790
Adventure Platformers is a great name, it reminds me of how metroid prime advertises itself as a FPA

>>382145830
They did in warcraft 3, normie.
Criticism of the core gameplay itself aside, the games in the genre are so close to each other it's unreal. Only HOTS makes any kind of effort to be unique, but it does so in an incredibly hamfisted way.

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Metroidvanias are badong

>>382145924
Actually it would be Doomenstein because Castle Wolfenstein and Doom came out very closely to one another. Duke Nukem 1 and 2 weren't even first person shooters; they were side scrollers.

>JRPG
>People actually call Dark Souls a JRPG

>>382146472
Yeah and Castlevania 1 through Rondo weren't metroidvanias

>>382145284
I ship it.

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Rogue
genre: rogue

>>382142186
And then it's just 2D pixel shit

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>>382146797
Was there another IP that was a metroidvania before Castlevania or Metroid games?

>>382142596
Metroid-like
Castlevania only added leveling to an already existing genre.

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Besides Cave Story what are some more Undersouls games?

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>>382146904
nah we gotta put this in terms Metroidvania fags would understand

Rogue
genre: Mystery Dungeon

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>>382147358

>>382147276
Yeah this, I always refer to these sorts of games as "Metroids" or "Metroid-likes". Castlevania was just the first game to copy it. We don't call roguelikes "rogue-hacks" or "rogue-morias" or whatever.

>>382145830
>units have builds?
Not units, but buildings had a build order
>skillsets
Units having skills isn't anything new, Warcraft 3 went overboard with it though
>passives
Again, they did

>HOLY GRAIL OF GENRES THAT DON'T ACTUALLY EXIST
Metroivania
Igavania
Soulsborne
rogue-like
hunting action
JRPG
WRPG

what else needs to be added?

>>382142427
Devil Mayonetta

>>382148037
spectacle fighter/CUHRAZEE/hack and slash

>Smash clone

>>382144316
>mediocre
You haven't played SotN or Dawn of Sorrow? You actually think Haunted Castle is good? GTFO with your garbage taste and go back to your Mario garbage

>>382148037
>fun

>>382148037
Bullet hell

>>382148037
rogue-lite

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>>382141128
>>382141658
>>382142146
Those "genres" annoy me so goddamn much.
It's like calling all sports cars "ferrari-like"

Giving them a genre name that reflects the style of a thing just emphasizes on the stuff that are alike and causes people to ignore whatever new they bring to the table and instead focus on the similiarities.

>>382145284
You bet your ass I would

Shut up, all of you. The term that should be banned is "character action game". Who came with that stupid term? I even accept CUHRAZY over that shit.

>>382142596
shut the fuck up you idiot.
The thing about calling something "metroidvania" is retarded because

1: it requires the reader to know what the fuck metroid or castlevania is in order to know what that tag means

2: It's misleading and people start comparing the game to metroid/castlevania since they expect it to be wholly similiar, but where does one draw the line when it stops being "metroidvania" and instead becomes it's own thing?

The answer is: It was always it's own thing.
For example, you simply don't call rappers "50biggiesnoopsZ", "blacknoise" or no matter how fucking similiar they would be, you come up with a new term like "rap", in time people will adopt that term.

>>382142427

It doesn't make sense. Character action? Halo could be one based in those terms.

>>382145540
Yo, sick reference dawg

>>382141658
Dark blood then

sickdark

>mmo combat
>diablo clone
>sandbox
>walking simulator

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>rpg
>jrpg
>action rpg
Might as well specify that your game features numbers and character names
>oh let's specify which country it's from, that'll help
>boy, better not forget to mention that in our rpg, something actually happens

>>382151216
It's a neogaf thing. I don't mind it so much because it immediately flags anyone who uses it as a neotard.

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>When a game calls itself "Retro-inspired Metroidvania with roguelike elements"

>>382148939
Only when applied outside of its original context, it makes sense as a style of shoot em ups.

give me a real reason why I should stop using the term character action because trigger autists makes it just that much more appealing

>>382145342
>Play (almost) any JRPG
>You don't pick the role yourself

>>382152301
>give me a real reason
>because trigger autists makes it just that much more appealing
To not be a shitposting retard? Is that good enough?

>>382152361
JRPGs aren't RPGs.

>>382152301
Because the games already fall into a well established genre called beat em ups

>>382152456
You don't decide genre definitions. Face it, RPG doesn't mean anything anymore.

>>382152460
that's very redundant, you should just call them all action games

>>382152456
Video game rpgs arent really rpgs in general, theyre glorified choose your own adventure books. People just call them rpgs because thats their influence and its convenient

>Light Role Playing games

>>382152610
Action games? You mean like House of the Dead?

>>382152720
Yeah and Call of Duty

Fits nice and neatly in that category

I think you guys are confusing tags with genres. We don't just describe games by genre alone anymore, because a lot of online retailers categorize by tags too.

>>382144205
>0-o
jesus christ

>>382152595
>You don't decide genre definitions

Actually I do.

>>382153071
No.

>>382141658
It should have just stayed at "souls genre"

I don't get mad at terms for video game genres. I have friends still.

>>382151360
But you don't play as a character in Halo.

>>382153190
He does. He has the power of steam tags.

>>382147470
Cave Story is the Dark Souls of Undertale

>>382153720
What the fuck are you talking about?

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>>382153720
>Master Chief

Should we just call them all Bunny Must Die-Like?

>>382150514
Alright, why don't you suggest an alternate genre name for roguelikes?

>>382154654
Dungeon Crawlers

>>382154654
>>382154748

# R E K T
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>>382154748
That actually makes a lot more sense than "roguelikes"

>>382154748
That doesn't say anything about gameplay mechanics just the theme, a theme that doesn't even apply to all roguelikes.

>>382154748
Too generic, and roguelikes aren't necessarily strictly dungeon crawlers.

Has similar problems to MOBA, in that it covers too much ground, and plenty of other games that are entirely unrelated could technically be called a multiplayer online battle arena game.

>>382154983
>>382155005
Far better name than roguelike which describes nothing about the theme or the gameplay mechanics.

Are we going to start calling all stealth games "metal-gear-likes" now?

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> metroidvania
> A Metroid style game with RPG elements like that from the Castlevania series
> Used to describe Metroid like games that are void of any mechanic used by the Castlevania series
Yeah, I agree. It's like "literally, Nazi, cu.ck" etc.
A term misused greatly

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>it's a Busbytoads game

>>382155223
>or the gameplay mechanics.

That's quite literally exactly what it does. It describes the game as having mechanics similar to Rogue.

The problem with this genre, unlike something like Metal Gear, is that it is hard to define in a simple and encompassing way other than referring to the original.

>>382155223
Yet it's actually practically useful because it groups similar games under one label. An intuitive name isn't necessary, if it works it works. Dungeon crawler is far too general to be useful. Or are you suggesting that its fine if genres are worthless as a way to categorize games as long as they have a nice name?

>>382155005
>>382154983
Not that that guy isn't retarded, but the reasoning here is terrible. Genre names are always connotative and aren't meant to be taken literally.

Fighting games for instance, has a clear connotation despite literally applying to lot's of games that aren't fighting games. Strategy, adventure, rpg, shmup, are just as literally vague as MOBA while having strong connotations. All that matters is that when you hear the word "MOBA" you understand what it means.

>>382155606
>It describes the game has having mechanics similar to Rogue
Inaccurately

>>382154983
but dungeon crawler is a mechanic? if you took a dungeon crawler and themed it as "space" it'd still be one and if you took a FPS and entered a dungeon it wouldn't be a dungeon crawler

>>382155657
>All that matters is that when you hear the word "MOBA" you understand what it means.

And the same goes for Metroidvania and roguelike.

MOBA is often brought up in these things because it was a very forced term from Riot, wanting to distance themselves from Dota. It's not something that came along organically.

>>382155657
>you understand what it means
In that case, roguelike works far better than a lot of genres.

>>382141658
Come up with something better than "3rd Person Action game with minor RPG elements"

>>382155881
Shame that ASSFAGGOTS never caught on

>>382148079
Denetta

>>382156090
It's certainly a much more accurate descriptor.

Browsing the simulation tag on steam has made me realize that no steam users knows a simulation is. Does the game have a usable car, airplane, or spaceship in it at any point? It's a simulation game now. Is the game based on something slightly real? It's a simulator now.

>>382155837
Dungeon crawlers are a subset of rpgs so you have to keep that in mind, but beyond that it could be anything. An fps/rpg hybrid can be as much of a dungeon crawler as any roguelike despite being on the opposite end of the spectrum as far as rpgs go

>>382155837
How does dungeon crawler describe any mechanic other than walking through dungeons. That would absolutely make an FPS in a dungeon a dungeon crawler.

>>382155997
japanese action rpg

>>382155997
Action-RPG.

>>382141927
I like hack'n'slash for DMC, Bayonetta, God Hand and the likes better. It's descriptive enough despite the last one having no "slashing".
What I don't get why Diablo-likes are called hack'n'slash. More like "click mouse 0 until it breaks" genre.

>>382156184
I don't see it, and if that were possible, they might aswell call the fps/rpg hybrid a roguelike because it has roguelike elements and it'd be just as accurate
>>382156227
Nobody's EVER used the term to mean literally walking inside a cave until this thread.

>>382156746
hack n slash is an rpg term that was applied to beat em ups in rpg style fantasy settings. Its more appropriate for Diablo, while the games you listed are 3D beat em ups

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>"""comfy"""

>>382156871
Its not just possible, it already exists in the form of shadow tower abyss for example. Your example is also a thing thanks to games like heavy bullets and dusk. Thing is that genres are more than their names, defining them simply using their name is retarded as is complaining about the names of well established specific genres.

>>382145284
Well they should.

>>382145284
>Doomsteins
Thanks for renaming the FPS genre to something good.

>>382156871
>Nobody's EVER used the term to mean literally walking inside a cave until this thread.
I know, my point is that 'dungeon crawler' doesn't literally describe game mechanics, yet it's fine as a genre/sub-genre descriptor. If that's the case for 'dungeon crawler' then what's wrong with 'roguelike'?

>>382157072
Thats not a description for a genre but a feeling while playing a game, although you're still allowed to have your opinion

>>382145284
Infinicraft

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>>382146904
>rogue
>genre: roguelike

>>382141128
stay mad arin

>>382141836
Darkborn series suits you better

>>382141128
I just call 'em sidescrollers