ROSTER PREDICTIONS - Dragon Ball FighterZ

>>382134130
If this 3v3 fighting game only has 24 characters, that's ridiculous.

>>382134263
I tried to remain realistic, I hope for more as well

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>>382134130
Is it weird to think Ginyu Force working as Assist characters for Ginyu during combat?

>>382134576
I thought that way as well. Also Tien gets assist from Chiaotzu, Dabura from Babidi etc. It would be very cool imho

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>>382134130
The villains are the easiest ones to predict.

>Furiza.
>Seru.
>Majin Buu Junsui.
>Birusu.
>Bejita.
>Bebi.
>Pikkoro Daimao.
>Cho Ju Nana-Go
>I Shinron.
>Burori.
>Zamasu.
>Ginyu.

Who else?

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>>382134130
Fixed

>>382134263
24 would be ideal for a first installment, anon. I see some people saying it'd be as low as 15 which is just asking for this game to fail.

>>382134576
Ginyu would pretty much play just like Captain commando. He'll have a few move of his own but the majority is him summoning his own assists.

>>382136220
Replace hercule, and Dabura with Cooler, and Janemba and this would be my perfect roster.

>>382137126
If he has Guldo as a timestop super does that mean Dickhead Cell can fuck off since that's all he's ever good for?

>tfw haven't watched anything from Super besides the movie that came out a while ago

Are there any new characters that I should expect to see in the new game?

Why do people want Super trash? That shit is horrible.

>>382134130
I don't get it


Why wouldn't all those Gokus just be one Goku?

>>382134130
Aside from the 6 we have and the obvious picks like Piccolo and Gotenks, I'm pretty sure they'll end up putting Broly and Goku Black in. Other than that I don't really care since I like most characters in this franchise. I expect a max of 30 characters but I don't think it'll go lower than 20.

>>382137363
Maybe.

>>382137617
There's only one Goku there, the other is Goku Black which isn't Goku at all.

>>382137521
Zamasu was the first good DB villain since Cell

And it's actually building to some cool stuff now, with the all the various Gods

>>382137521
>want

It's not about wanting it. You're delusional if you think the popular characters like Beerus and Black aren't going to be in the game, at least as DLC.

The roster:
>SSJ Goku
>SSJ Vegeta
>SSJ2 kid Gohan
>Ultimate Gohan
>Krillin
>Tien
>SSJ Future Trunks
>Piccolo
>SSJ3 Gotenks
>SSJ Vegetto
>Fat Buu
>Kid Buu
>Cell
>Freeza
>17
>18
>Beerus
>Broly

>>382137794
lmao
Cell is one of the worst villains in the series.

>>382134130
>Android 16
>villain

I still have hope for SSJ4 in Super. Goku was able to attain it by focusing and controlling the fantastic energy of a Super Oozaru in GT, and that's more-or-less what Super Cyan is currently doing. It's all falling into place.

>>382138069
Hopefully, the assmad of Superfags will be glorious.

>>382137402
Zamasu, a Kai who's bent on exterminating all lower life forms.
Goku Black, a version of Zamasu who used the Super dragonballs to body snatch
Hit, Universe 6's strongest assassin with the ability to stop time for a brief period.

Maybe ayy lmao Jiren.

>>382137521
I don't get it either. I don't think Super has come up with one original or memorable character design. It seems like everything is just riffs on past characters.

>reusing kaoiken and giving Super saiyan a blue dye job
>Lakers frieza
>fat beerus
>genderbent whis
>genderbent broly
>the return of Turles
>green surpeme kai
>100 pound soaking wet teen vegeta

Literally every new character looks awful. The mecha are all uninspired and bland when Toriyama used to have a knack for designing them in early DB and Dr Slump and the anthropomorphized characters all look like furshit with no personality.

>>382138378
>implying future Trunks' new clothes isn't the GOAT design

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>>382137402
By movie you mean Resurrection of F?
If so, I think there's 2 major characters that could make it in. Hit, the considered strongest rival on the first tournament arc, and any combination of Samazu/Goku Black, the main villians from the arc before the current one.

>>382138069
I doubt that'll happen. Only two characters ever went SSJ4 and there's so little footage of Vegeta in that form and I don't think they'll inflate the roster with clones.

>>382138161
Last I checked, SSJ4 wasn't what peopled hated about GT.

>>382138545
>he thinks Super future Trunks design is better than Z Future Trunks design

kill yourself

>>382134130
>17 and 18 as one character

I had no idea how much I wanted this.

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Trunks vs Dabura

>>382134130
>SSB Vegito
Only one I really don't think will make it on the hero side.

>Demon King Debora
I like him on there, could have a nice unique move set.

>>382134130
I want Arale to be playable but DBfags would get pissy if that happened

>>382138546
>Literally purple pikkon with new clothing and kill moves

>>382138378
>It seems like everything is just riffs on past characters.
That's pretty much Toriyama designs in a nutshell.

>>382138875
Why, if anything they'd love it cause she appeared in the RR arc? I want her in too, she'd be a great addition.

>>382138858
When I saw this fight I was hoping he managed to deflect the bullets whilst preparing Burning Attack, would've been great.

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How cool would it be if all future DLC characters and balance changes are free, but you only have to buy stages and costumes like in SFV? They have a good opportunity to make lots of money from the costumes from the show, like all of Vegeta's different armor, Future Trunks in his armor and longer hair, Goku and Gohan with Saiyan armor from spirit room training, etc.

I just hope they don't do the Guilty Gear model. It's so bad.

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>>382138858
>these proportions

what the fuck

>>382138942
Discounting filler shit like Pikkon and movie garbage what do you even mean? Unless you're saying Cell riffs on past characters? Or maybe Buu riffs on cell cause he can regenerate? That's the only two instances I can think of.

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>>382139059
I don't see anything wrong here

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what are his chances /vee/?

>>382138858
>We could have had a cool sword fight considering Dabura and Trunks are some of the only characters who use actual swords
Shame.

>>382134130
Honestly this seems pretty good and likely I'd be actually pretty okay with this.

Why are people so horny about ginyu? Whats more the logic behind that he is so unique makes no sense. Most characters in DBZ etc fight in somewhat similar fashions but each have a few different signature moves, or a different laser beam if you will than each other.

That I recall in the manga and even anime off hand ginyu HIMSELF has NO unique moves. He and goku trade punchs for a few mins, then he switchs bodies with goku. He himself doesnt have original moves. People are saying they want ginyu because he is so unique.. so you can play him.. then have him switch....bodies with a character...you...dont want to play as...

Great logic there for having him in the game.


Fact is inevitably for every character in a fighting game like this you are going to have to "make" up some moves for them. So if you are going to "make" up moves for ginyu, why not make up moves for established/powerful/iconic characters that are actually important to the series.


Maybe it "hurts" to say for ginyu fans, but the rest of the ginyu force actually does more shit in the series than he ever does even if hes supposed to be more powerful.

>>382138893
He has Cell's facial features except this time they gave him a dickhead, and has some gaudy trenchcoat that's seemingly a part of his body. Literally one of the worst designs in Super, but people just want him cause of ZA WARUDO when Guldo can fill that role for Ginyu.

>>382139210
It's a flashback. No one would have wasted that much time on it.

Where's Yamcha?

>>382139476
I'm aware.

>>382139420
It's so great watching these inexperienced clowns actually learn shortcuts that don't look bad. It's like they're finally figuring out how to use layers properly.

>>382139420
Haha holy shit this entire scene has no animation whatsoever

>>382134130
You are thinking too small

I just want the strong humans; Roshi, Tao, Satan

>>382138858
Why are the fight scenes in Super so embarrassingly bad?

>>382139420
Doesn't look too different from how they used to animate Z desu, not bad

Off topic, does anyone else toss Super in the non-canon bin?

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>>382139127
I'm not just talking about Dragon Ball designs, but in general.
In the case of the characters you mentioned, some are more or less mirrors of already known characters from a different universe, Whis and Vados are similar because they are related, same with the rest of angels. We've already seen a lot of unique designs besides those, if you think they are shit or not, that's an entire different thing.

>>382139203
As much as Neko Majin or Ackman, 0%.

>>382139420
What the fuck? That frame where Goku and Freezer punch each other in the face was used to shill Super and I even wanted to start watching the new arc because of it but Super looks as shitty as always.

>>382134130
Has Bardock been confirmed yet?

>>382139867
It's pretty much the exact same.
>still images with speedline effects to imply highspeed motion
>still images with backgrounds of cycling animation with a foreground layer of cycling aura effect
>even the cross-counter dual exchange is just two images switching out to imply shuddering with the real animation in the water
The only intensive part of that whole thing were the water splashes at the start of the collision and after they fell in.

>>382139991
Wait, is this the same guy from >>382139420 ?

Why is this one so much better?

>>382139898
I did a long time ago m8 like I do for all the star wars fan novels and EU shit.

>>382139962
Are you high? They have on-model proportions and they aren't using lazily tacked-on computer generated effects. Every arc prior to this one was riddled with deformities and lazily tacked-on computer generated effects, on top of terrible animation.

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>>382140257
>Wait, is this the same guy from
Yep he also did this

>Why is this one so much better?
Maybe he had more time to work on it.

>>382140257
That particular Goku vs Frieza happened after Vegeta vs Zamasu. Toei whipped its animators into shape after constant complaints about the quality of Super and Toriyama going public about his general disdain for their incompetence (a big taboo in Japan)

>>382140343
So it went from absolute shit to just shit. Great.

>>382140591
It went from Super to Z, yes.

>>382140696
That webm posted was way worse than Z though and since it was used to shill it was probably one of the better animated scenes.

>>382140416
Are you sure? That looks more like Maeda's work.

>>382138058
lol true my bad

>>382141015
You must not remember how often Z switched from one good animator to three bad ones, in the same scene.

>>382140416
>>382141101
My mistake it really is the same guy. It's surprising how close to Maeda his work looks.

>>382141415
They pretty much 1:1 translated the brilliant manga scenes into the anime which already had the great perspective shots and the choreography so even a bad animator couldn't fuck up too bad. In Super the animators have nothing to rely on.

>>382141697
>They pretty much 1:1 translated the brilliant manga scenes
I hope you're joking.

I'd like to see some Kais get more representation. Unlikely, but I think it'd be cool. Having a playable Bulma, even as a joke character, would be cool too. Actually, having anyone from Dragonball Classic show up would be awesome.

>>382141824
>being this stupid

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>>382141697
>They pretty much 1:1 translated the brilliant manga scenes into the anime
Sure

>>382141824
He's not joking. Most key fights from the manga were handed to the better studios. For example, the SSJ Goku vs 100% Frieza fight looks like it's straight out of the manga, as does the SSJ3 Goku vs Kid Buu fight, Goku vs Vegeta fight, SSJ2 Goku vs Majin Vegeta fight, Vegeta vs Recoome, Goku and Piccolo vs Raditz, etc.

>>382138378
I hope that one Yardrat guy mentioned in the most recent episode is cool. Not expecting much though.

>>382136872
Honestly, given that ArcSys said it was 20% complete at E3 when its core functions and gameplay seemed finished, I feel like they're gonna pump it full of characters and stages

>>382142224
>20% complete
This doesn't really mean anything at all to be honest, in general when devs say shit like that it shouldn't be taken too seriously. Especially when they themselves don't clarify what it means.

Why do people keep putting Ginyu on the roster, is there some meme I don't know about?

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>>382141697
>1:1 translated

>>382141945
>I haven't read the manga: The post
You know the majority of the extended fight scenes are all filler right?
Hell this entire scene >>382140416 doesn't even happen in the manga. Once Goku gets his body back Ginyu immediately body switches and ends up in the frog.

>>382142197
You might want to read this too anon.

>>382142434
They really like the idea of a body/character swap super. That or they just like him.

>>382140540
But the Vegetto vs Zamasu one looked better than the Golden Freeza one.

>>382142434
Captain Commando style assists mostly. Him having Guldo as a timestop ultimate would render Hit irrelevant.

>>382142434
Why not?

>>382142434
Ginyu is popular, even if he doesn't have that many moves from the source you can still make up a fighting style based on poses, and use the rest of the Force as summons like Captain Commando.
In another thread an anon suggested that Body Change could be used as an instant kill, which sounds like a nice idea.

>>382142570
Seems like a waste of a slot for just one gimmick.

Why does Dragon Ball Super look like it's animation is done permanently by Ebiwasa?

>>382142548
I can't deny they added animation filler to those fights but for good reason and I'd argue that it made the fights better in the case of the better studios. Another example, the fight between Goku and Cell, not the part done by Uchiyama, was mostly made up but looked fucking wonderful and is one of the best fights in the show despite being only great in the manga.

>>382142658
The choreography is a bit better, but the animation is generally weightless. The way everything moves just looks bad

>>382142197
This is where I have to call you out on your bullshit because it's clear you haven't read the fucking manga OR watched the anime.

SS Goku vs 100% Freeza is full of fucking padding and filler (most of it badly animated) whilst the manga fight is relatively short.
SS3 Goku vs Kid Buu is full of bad animation and padding and, again, the manga fight is short.

SS2 Goku vs Majin Vegeta is NINE PAGES LONG in the manga.

Let's talk about the important fights handled to terrible animation supervisors such as Uchyama and Ebisawa like Trunks slicing Mecha Freeza or Gohan vs Cell or Goku vs 19 or Vegeta vs Semi-Perfect Cell. In fact, most of the Cell arc looked like straight up garbage.

>>382134263
Everyone is going to end up using some combination of the same 6 characters just like every 3v3 game anyway.

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>>382134130
- Satan, Dabura, 17&18 together
+ Roshi
If you put Fused Zamasu & Rose in your roster, Hit is required since he was a popular character in Super before them.

>>382142896
>was mostly made up
Wait. Really?

>>382142765
Limited roster space, could go to someone more interesting or popular like Nappa.

>>382142842
>In another thread an anon suggested that Body Change could be used as an instant kill
>holstein shock > body swap > Opponent's special
Could be neat.

>>382134263
Get ready for 18 characters then. That being said, they are deliberately going with similar templates for executing moves so that they can have an easier time making characters.

>>There is SS Goku and SSB Goku.

>>382142896
Literally the only good studio that worked on DBZ was Studio Cockpit, which handled fights such as Goku and Piccolo vs Raditz, Goku vs Cell, the Kamehameha beam struggle between Gohan and Cell and SS2 Goku vs Kid Buu, among others. The other studios were either terrible or just serviceable, Studio Cockpit was the only one who put out amazing fights.

And they put out, at best, 10 amazing fights in a series with 290 episodes. And they didn't even work on DB, so another, what, 150 episodes on top of that?

>>382142434
Gee I dunno maybe because he is 2nd strongest villain in Frieza saga? Or are you fine with just those 3 default villains and like 20 good guys?

>>382142842
>instant kill

Nah. When Ginyu is at low health you body swap a character with more health. It'll be even better if he opponent has no idea how to play Ginyu.

>>382143164
What?

>>382142973
Yeah, they should just leave it at 6 characters and call it a day.

>>382139758
Toei is cheap, and they already have another series that airs nonstop in One Piece. This production format is a total fossil now, long form action shows can take seasonal breaks but that's apparently a big no no for Dragon Ball to do.

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>>382143081
>Body Change could be used as an instant kill
The best thing is to steal the character of your opponnent to break the synergy of his team

>>382143001
>gt characters
>super characters
>no kid goku

Kid Goku deserves to be in more than any other character who'd be a repeat (i.e. Kid or Super Buu and Adult Gohan).

>>382143625
That and they have thousands of different ongoing projects.

>>382143625
I'm not even talking about the animation, but the choreography in fights are awful. It's like GT tier, there's no interesting fights like Goku vs Piccolo JR.

>>382142658
Vegito Blue and Merged Zamasu have the best animated fight in the series, but also the most infuriatingly short.
I hate every one of Toriyama's retcons.

>>382139420
Congratulations, Super, you found out how to mask low production values with solid direction. You know, like DBZ did 25 years ago.

>>382143673
Body Change could be amazing if you could still do it even after you swapped bodies. I mean, I imagine it'd be a lv7 special move, so when you swap bodies, you get to use all of their special moves, except for their ultimate attack, which is replaced by the swapping move.

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>>382134263
>If this 3v3 fighting game only has 24 characters
I'm tired of this fucking argument, who cares?
It's exactly like every fighting game with teams, at some point people will use the same teams composed of the 5 best characters.

>>382143215
Replace him with a more interesting villain, him being popular (which is a total ass pull by anyone saying that) or being the second strongest in a saga is irrelevant. Nappa, Recoome, a movie villain, 19 or 20, Dabura, all better and more interesting choices than a character who is essentially two gimmicks, and only one can be used in combat.

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>>382143889
That's what happens when you don't have Toriyama's amazing choreography to copy from, what did you expect?

>>382142882
Because most of the supervisors and keyframers were on giant stints on other shows like One Piece.
Read this http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=32434
>>382142910
It's also sped up.
>>382142936
You shouldn't project.
I'm mainly talking about the part of the fight after Goku is fully shirtless. The Kamahameha struggle made Frieza look like a gremlin.
>SS3 Goku vs Kid Buu is full of bad animation
Now who's full of shit? Most of that fight looks great.
>SS2 Goku vs Majin Vegeta is NINE PAGES LONG in the manga.
You're missing the point. The parts of the manga it reproduces look very close to the work in the manga. This has nothing to do with filler animation. Step it up.
Only the first part of Gohan vs Cell and the first part of the beam struggle. The rest was done by people with skill.
>>382143036
Yes. Almost everything after Goku and Cell power up but before the ring is destroyed is made up but that doesn't stop it from looking amazing, minus Uchiyama.
>>382143207
Dumbass. Most of the Raditz fight was done by Maeda and he was Studio Junio. Cockpit didn't start working on DBZ till episode 174, which is late into that arc.

>>382135428
Holy fuck use english like the rest of us you fucking freak

>>382134130
never been into dragonball

why does half the cast have the exact same hairstyle? how are you meant to tell who's who?

it's like if half of tekken's roster had heihachi's hair and mustache

>>382144030
>I'm mainly talking about the part of the fight after Goku is fully shirtless. The Kamahameha struggle made Frieza look like a gremlin.
The original Z fight was so unfaithful to the manga that Toei remade it, this time accurately, in the RoF extended edition.

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>>382134263
>If this 3v3 fighting game only has 24 characters, that's ridiculous.
Ever heard of this little IP called THE MOTHERFUCKING KING OF FIGHTERS?

>>382143991
Nappa and Recoome aren't interesting
Nappa introduced the trend of a nearly unbeatable grunt that kicks the shit out of the cast until someone stronger shows up just to use them as a measuring stick.
Recoome does the exact same thing

>>382144192
Literally every moment from the manga looks almost 1:1 to the manga. It has nothing to do with the filler animation, which actually made the fight better, retard.

>>382144185
>why does half the cast have the exact same hairstyle?
Huh?

>>382142548
>>382142936
>being this retarded
The fight scenes that are brought from the manga to the anime are nearly 1:1, is what the OP was saying. He never said or implied that the ENTIRE fights are 1:1 with the manga, only the best SCENES taken from the manga are nearly 1:1; a statement which is entirely true.

>>382144185
The franchise has existed for over 30 years.
If you care about it, you can tell who's who

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>>382144275
>Literally every moment from the manga looks almost 1:1 to the manga
No shit.

>>382144185
>how are you meant to tell who's who?
Because of their fucking faces. Do you have prosopagnosia?

>>382134263
>>382143990
>>382144240
24's not even that small for a 3v3 desu. Now if it's 15 though, that'd be retarded and is like basically asking for this to fail.

>>382143991
>him being popular is irrelevant
They already stated that popularity is one of the factors to choose a character, and he's already been part Dragon Ball games with small rosters. I don't see why there couldn't be a way to make him an interesting character.

>>382144461
all rook same

>>382144432
Let me reword my statement since I think your brain didn't process it correctly.
Every shot in the anime taken directly from the manga look almost 1:1 to the manga. Get it now, fucktard?

>>382144328
>only the best SCENES taken from the manga are nearly 1:1
So none of them right?

>>382144185
>why does half the cast have the exact same hairstyle?
>Goten and Goku
>That's literally it
fucking retards.

>>382144030
>The parts of the manga it reproduces look very close to the work in the manga
Because Tadayoshi Yamamuro worked on that fight and he's the character designer for Super, so...

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>>382144575
>I think your brain didn't process it correctly.
>trying to blame someone else for your mistake
I think this guy is serious.

>>382144579
Are you actually retarded?

>>382144707
He didn't make a mistake, it was autists with no reading comprehension who interpreted what he said entirely wrong.

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>>382144185
>why does half the cast have the exact same hairstyle?
They are monkeys with bananas instead of hair

>>382144659
I know why, I'm just stating that it does.
>>382144707
Not an argument. Take your (You) and fuck off, no-brain.

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>>382144275
Except they completely botch this facial expression.

>>382143991
19 and 20 sucks and has no moves.
Plus Ginyu design is way more interesting than some human robots.

>>382144815
>it was autists with no reading comprehension
>the manga is 1:1 with the manga!
Yeah, sure

>>382144185
I think you have it the other way around. The cast all have the same faces with the only thing distinguishing them is their hairstyle. Even Piccolo and Cell have similar faces to the saiyans.

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>>382144275
>which actually made the fight better,
>Toeishills actually believe this

>>382144971
In the context of the anime:
>Every moment from the manga looks almost 1:1 to the manga
Holy shit, is reading comprehension that hard for you?

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>>382144852
>Not an argument.
Nor is this mind you.
Or your poor sentence structure mind you.

>Tfw you like Super but people insult it and you based on episodes from one year ago

Ita really not that bad now. Easily Z tier since the Zamasu saga. Zamasu himself was one of the funniest and most entertaining villains in any media i saw recently,him crying over his own speeches or sperging when trunks saves goku & vegeta are fucking legendary. You guys should give it a try

>>382144898
Oh, wow. Goes to show how much a small change to the eyebrows can alter how you interpret a characters internal emotions. You got me on that one but that seems to be the only one.
>>382145117
>implying Goku's extended beatdown of Frieza wasn't 10/10
(You)

>>382145017
No, eye shape varies between the characters as well. Goku's eyes are open, Vegeta's eyes are more angular and closed, Tien's eyes are diamond-shaped, Cell and Piccolo have musclebrows, 17 and Freeza have the pretty boy slanted eyes, 18 has the slanted eyes with eyelashes, Chi-Chi has Goku's open eyes with eyelashes, Videl has closed eyes with more detail and eyelashes.

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>>382139420

>>382135428
shut the fuck up weeb

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>>382145312
>Oh, wow. Goes to show how much a small change to the eyebrows can alter how you interpret a characters internal emotions. You got me on that one but that seems to be the only one.
Is this kick even in the anime?

>>382145575
Yes.

>>382145316
Gohan's eyes are open, but Mystic Gohan's eyes are closed. Bardock has Mystic Gohan's closed eyes. Bulma and Videl have both pupils and iris' but Chichi only has one big pupil. Trunks has pupil and iris similar to SSJ3 Goku.

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>>382145575

>>382145191
is his whole head nothing but a combover?

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>>382145731

>>382145293
Goku Black himself is a good character and easily one of the best villains in the franchise, but the arc itself is just terrible.

>>382145731
Looks almost nothing like it. You wouldn't even associate the two if you didn't know that the kick had to take place there due to the scenes preceding it.

>>382145731
Can we all just appreciate all of the QUALITY in this webm? Especially Frieza's magic size altering arms.

>>382144262
They have visually more interesting moves, and actual moves that are their own not some MvC assist character.

>>382144498
Find me a character popularity poll from this decade to support the Ginyu is popular statement

>>382144965
and purple human is more interesting because ???? and they have as many "moves" as Ginyu, which is 2

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>>382145891
whoops wrong one

>>382145731
>Kai
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Svne9mjxETo

>>382146018
>they have as many "moves" as Ginyu, which is 2
What do 19 and 20 have besides absorption?

>>382145905
It's a lot better in the manga, but toeifags will never admit this. They latch onto their own misunderstandings of the rules of the universe based on the shit they learned from the Toei anime and complain about how it "breaks the rules" or "makes no sense".

>>382146219
Christ, you just live to shill Toyble in any Dragonball thread don't you.
Doesn't matter if it's /a/, /v/ or /co/.

>>382146219
It's a lot better written but it's not as entertaining. Black loses a lot of what made him cool and fun in the anime to begin with. And unfortunately, Black is what makes the arc, so him not being as good (or rather, as fun, since his ideals and his actions make more sense in the manga) makes it boring as a whole. I don't think "toeifags" or "toeishills" ever admitted the manga made less sense, they/we just think it's boring.

It'd be nice to have consistency and fun, but the manga chose the former, the anime chose the latter. And since Toriyama's plot points are stupid in both versions and the arcs end up as mediocre or bad in both versions, I prefer the anime.

>>382146195
Eye Beams for 19, hand through chest for 20. How many moves does Ginyu have besides Body Swap? Just Milky Cannon

>>382143001
Expected 12 is spot on but then it got a bit ridiculous

>>382146219
The manga version has plenty of faults of its own.
On the whole, the arc is just really shitty. I remember being excited for it at first last year like everyone else, but it very quickly died out.

>>382146437
>but the manga chose the former
I wouldn't call the manga consistent seeing as it's rules repeatedly keep on changing.

>>382146418
this is literally the first dragonball thread I've said anything in

>>382146437
>Black loses a lot of what made him cool and fun in the anime to begin with.
I totally disagree. The anime completely butchered him. He turned into this "nothin personnel kid..." edgy baddy with terrible fight choreography and nonsensical powers, while in the manga his powers make sense and everything he does is actually interesting.

If you're talking about the fact that he learned about Goku from the tournament instead of some bullshit retarded time loop that goes against the logic of all previous time travel in Dragon Ball, I don't really think that makes him worse. He had subtle and more believable motivations and the anime tried to crank them up to 11 then beat you over the head with them.

>>382146645
Well, it TRIES to be MORE consistent, at least. Whenever they retcon shit, they try to explain it. I appreciate that, at least.

>>382146706
>this is literally the first dragonball thread I've said anything in
Yeah I'm calling bullshit. Especially with the rest of your post here.

>>382146645
>as it's rules repeatedly keep on changing.
Example?

>>382146437
Considering Merged Zamasu is better in the manga than in the anime and, as you said, it has better writing, I'm willing to deal with Black not being omnipotent and eternally smug. Full Power SSJB Goku vs Merged Zamasu was seriously the most fun I've had with anything DB related since Budokai 3 came out.
Aside from the whole SSJ2 Trunks = SSJ3 Goku garbage present in both, the manga does a better job overall.
>>382146645
Not really. It's been pretty damn consistent and any inconsistencies it has is shared with the anime.

>>382146018
I don't care about Ginyu, but if you're looking for someone with visually pleasing moves to replace his hypothetical spot in the DBF roster, just use Janemba. Janemba is the epitome of style over substance

>>382146790
I've been in one other on /a/ months ago, and didn't really make any of the same arguments. Not worth mentioning.

>>382145891
>>382146056
how have I never saw this?

Enough about characters, what stages are we excited for.

I want want Kami's Look Out, I'm pretty sure the Hyperbolic Time Chamber will make it in.

>>382146898
>Aside from the whole SSJ2 Trunks = SSJ3 Goku garbage present in both,
Goku one shot him in the anime.
Don't forget
>I apparently have healing powers
>Emotional damage
>Goku learning the Hakai off panel
Both versions suck, dude

People who hate Super always get me, then I remember no one has the patience to wait for Eng Dub BDs that fix all the complaints I personally have about the show (ie. animation being meh and not muh childhood voice actors).

>>382147078
>I apparently have healing powers
The fuck? That was a great twist, and made sense with what was said earlier in the manga.

>>382146924
That's fine, his attacks look amazing. Ginyu is just boring.

>>382146706
Black in the manga is just another Dragon Ball villain. Smug when he's ahead, throws the mother of all bitch-fits when he's losing. Black in the anime had some moments where he was worried about things but in general he just kept his cool. That alone separated him from every other villain in this series and made him unique. Plus, I don't see how he's this "nothin personnel kid" when Black in the manga is the one who is always angry, always quiet and always making the edgy remarks. Black in the anime has that pretentious flamboyant attitude (that the manga gave some hints towards Black having, but never expanded upon it). And the anime always seemed self-aware of how stupid Black (and Zamasu, by extension) sounded and always had fun with it, with Goku calling him a creep like three times whenever he'd go on his speeches, to Black literally cutting himself and then saying "I dunno what the fuck I just did", it's all great fun nonsense. The anime never seemed to take its villains too seriously, and it shouldn't either, because their ideals are stupid. Whilst the manga always tried to give Black and Zamasu this air of credibility to their actions and their persona, which didn't jive well with me, because not only were their ideals stupid, they also were weaklings who couldn't hold their own for most of the arc.

Again, I'm not saying anime Black is better-written. Frankly, I don't care, it's like saying which garbage pile is better than the other, Super isn't well-written in either version; I'm just saying he's more entertaining.

>>382147192
>That was a great twist, and made sense with what was said earlier in the manga.
I hope you aren't going to say that "oh I actually healed Mai and Gowasu!" is adequate foreshadowing.

>>382135428
kek

>>382147078
They didn't even fight in the manga. It was just some horseshit spouted by Roshi.
>healing powers
Foreshadowed the entire arc, retard.
>muh hakai
Goku also learned the Kamahameha off-panel. Are you going to cry about that? It also took all of his power to do.

>>382147042
OP here

STAGES:

1)World Tournament Stage
2)Mountains
3)Planet Namek
4)Dying Planet Namek
5)Cell Games Arena
6)Archipelago
7)Wasteland
8)Desert
9)Glacier
10)Town
11)Hyperbolic Time Chamber
12)Hell
13)Kami's Lookout
14)Desolate Future
15)Kaioshin World

>>382137521
why do people want dbz trash? that shit is horrible

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>>382147298
>Goku also learned the Kamahameha off-panel. Are you going to cry about that? It also took all of his power to do.

Toyofags confirmed to have never read the manga. Pathetic really.

>>382147602
That's him performing the Kamehameha. When did he learn it?

>>382147428

>that artist
>Goku Black

I get it.

>>382147042
Aside from the 5 confirmed.

>Hell
>Glaciers from C-13 movie
>Hyperbolic Time Chamber
>Kami's Lookout
>Supreme Kai World
>City Ruins - Night(T3 stage)
>Archipelago

>>382147428
I want Rose Black and Vegito Blue more than anyone else in this.
Throwing Black away so we could double down on Zamasu was such a fucking waste.

>>382147251
>Plus, I don't see how he's this "nothin personnel kid" when Black in the manga is the one who is always angry, always quiet and always making the edgy remarks.

He literally teleports behind u and stabs you with his stupid hand laser blade.

>>382147272
There was that, as well as the whole backstory of him being apprentice to the supreme kai during the off-screen buu saga, which was great and completely absent from the anime. His SS2 form being about on par with Goku's SS3 also makes sense with that, given how much the same ritual strengthened Gohan.

>but muh mystic form, why he can super saiyan??

Gohan could still go super saiyan if he wanted, he just didn't need to because he was strong enough to beat Buu without. Trunks evidently wasn't as strong so he needed to go to SS2 to reach that level.

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>>382134130
Goku Black
Hit
Zamasu
Beerus
Whis
Kaulifla
Kale
Jiren
Liquir
Champa
Korn
Frost
Cabba
Gowasu
Monaka
Potage
Fusion Zamasu
Vados
Zen-Oh
Belmod
Narrator

>>382147646
There, retard. That was literally his first time trying it.

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>>382147428
>that chichi

>>382147646
That's literally the first time he tried it. It learned it like two pages prior.

It's an arksys game. There will be only 12 characters at launch with 2 dlc characters then a new full priced edition with 3 new characters + 2 future dlc characters. Repeat this over and over and you got yourself an arksys game.

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>>382147298
>They didn't even fight in the manga.
Except they did and Goku had to use SSG to deal with him instead of 3.

>Foreshadowed the entire arc, retard
No it wasn't.
1) We didn't know that dance that the Kai did around Gohan was a Kai apprentice dance until we found out it gave healing powers
2)When he picked up Mai and later Gowasu there was no indicator that he healed them, in fact it was more implied that Mai was dead given her arm was completely limp and Trunks couldn't feel anything from her at all. With Gowasu he coughs up blood like any other shonen manga with a character on the brink of death

>Goku also learned the Kamahameha off-panel.
What.
Goku literally learns how to use it from Roshi just by copying the motions he saw during the Fire Mountain incident.

Have you actually read the original and Super?

>>382147865
>>382147819
It's Goku's first time trying Hakai as well.

>>382147963
>1) We didn't know that dance that the Kai did around Gohan was a Kai apprentice dance until we found out it gave healing powers

This shit makes no sense, too.

Why didn't the dance unlock Trunks' powers?
Why doesn't Gohan have healing powers?
Why were Kibito and Shin completely unaware of what the Elder Kai was doing to Gohan back in Z?

>>382147954
So you expect arc sys to want this game to bomb?

>12 characters
>3v3

even MvCI will do better with that shit roster count. Even for a 1v1 12 characters is unacceptable.

>>382148151
>Even for a 1v1 12 characters is unacceptable.

What?

>>382148142
Goku never saw the Hakai in the manga.
It's the same bullshit as Trunks knowing the Galick Gun even though he never saw it, or him making a Spirit Bomb without knowing it

>>382147819
>>382147865
Which is essentially the same thing as him using the Hakai technique in this situation. Monkey see, monkey do.
>>382147963
>gets made an apprentice in the Buu Saga in the future
>Zamasu, who is also an apprentice, utilizes healing to zenkai buff Black up like crazy
>WOW HOW DID TRUNKS KNOW HEALING
Don't blame others for your own incompetence.
And he copies Beerus to perform Hakai. Literally the same. If you have an issue with him knowing Hakai then you have a problem with him knowing how to use the Kamehameha in DB.

>That feel when DBS manga is clearly superior to the anime
>But it'll always be years behind

>>382148147
>Why didn't the dance unlock Trunks' powers?
It did.

>Why doesn't Gohan have healing powers?
He was never the apprentice to a Supreme Kai. Kibito was still alive and filling that role. Only becoming apprentice to a Supreme Kai gives you healing powers. It's not the dance. The dance is the power unlocking.

>Why were Kibito and Shin completely unaware of what the Elder Kai was doing to Gohan back in Z?
Because the dance is not what makes you an apprentice to a Kai. What makes you an apprentice or how you become one is never stated. Could be as simple as the Kai just saying you are.

>>382148151
Then you really underestimate how greedy arksys are. All base games are low on content at launch and they slowly expand it with full priced expansions every year.

>>382148325
>Goku never saw the Hakai in the manga.
He fought Beerus. The BotG manga is what the manga follows, not the Beerus arc from the Super anime. Beerus was preparing to use Hakai on Goku at one point.

>>382148247
People shat all over SFV for it's "low" roster count, and that's 4 less than what that game launched with. Now obviously SFV is a piece of shit with other problems but yeah.

>>382148493
He also watched Beerus erase present time Zamasu.

>>382147780
>Trunks evidently wasn't as strong so he needed to go to SS2 to reach that level.
This is wrong. Trunks went through a ritual to become a kai apprentice. Old kai's ritual is a potential unlock. Two completely different things.

I want to see super buu consume his own teammates to become super strong. It would at least be interesting

>>382148526
That was mostly because SFV has the least amount of content for any fighting game.

>>382147428
Sauce me, all I get on reverse search is Blacks smug face.

>>382148493
The only thing I remember him using is the Sphere of Destruction, not Hakai. Even then, Goku still never saw it

>>382148685
legoman r34

>>382148565
Only in the anime.

>>382148685
jacqli

>>382148685
kennycomix

>>382148427
I wouldn't put it past them, but will people still be defending them if they launch with such a minimal roster count or will it bomb? Cause people are going to be pissed and the low roster count is only accentuated by it being 3v3. Reminded me of why I hated skullgirls.

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>>382147042
Inside Super Buu

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Why do people pretend anime Black was any good? He was an incompetent dumbass who just happen to spontaneous get powerups whenever he started losing.

>Goku goes rage mode on Black after he taunted him with the death of Goten and Chi Chi. Black suddenly powers up.

>Vegeta trains in the time chamber, comes back rekts Black only for him to stab himself and suddenly negate Vegeta's training.

And no matter how strong he got all he did was delay his defeat, he couldn't kill any of the main characters.

>>382139059
>what is a vanishing point

>>382147042
The desert canyon Goku and Vegeta fought at during the Saiyan saga

>>382149048
>a minimal roster count
I'm only expecting 21 characters. Main screen has a max of 24 slots, so that's a possible chance, but I'm expecting 21.

I can deal with 18, but anything less is a disappointment.

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>>382147042
weird jelly bean Snake Way

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>>382147251
>Black in the manga is just another Dragon Ball villain. Smug when he's ahead, throws the mother of all bitch-fits when he's losing
Mmmm

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>>382148147
>Why didn't the dance unlock Trunks' powers?
The dance was just an initiation. The unlock was a different process entirely
>Why doesn't Gohan have healing powers?
He apparently does now according to Toyble.
>Why were Kibito and Shin completely unaware of what the Elder Kai was doing to Gohan back in Z?
It seems more like he wasn't aware that it would require the ritual?
Then again that's my interpretation.

>>382148349
>>gets made an apprentice in the Buu Saga in the future
Which we're never told until Super mind you.
>>Zamasu, who is also an apprentice, utilizes healing to zenkai buff Black up like crazy
He heals him once and at that point we didn't know that he was still considered an apprentice because it was after he killed Gowasu and usurped his position. Basically instead of hints being left all around that can be connected prior to the big reveal they just kind of pull a "HEY THIS IS RANDOM STUFF IS ACTUALLY ALL CONNECTED" on us instead of decent foreshadowing.
After all the only "apprentice" we've seen do any healing prior was Kibito and he was always portrayed as an attendant rather than a potential Supreme Kai.

>And he copies Beerus to perform Hakai.
From where exactly?
Unlike in DB there isn't a moment where Goku actually witnesses the use of Hakai to learn it.

>>382134130
Mr Satan better be in, goddamn it

>>382149528
>He apparently does now according to Toyble.
Wrong. Becoming a Kai apprentice and unlocking your potential are two completely different rituals.

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>>382137794
>Zamasu
>good

>>382134130
Need more waifus.

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>>382148349
Oh yeah and this is what I'm talking about.
This doesn't exist for hakai in the manga take note of how you can see Goku here

>>382149645
Pay attention anon, it's the dance that Gohan also underwent that gives you healing powers.

>>382148147
Future Trunks has barely any hidden potential, Gohan turned SS2 when he was like 10 for fucks sake. I hope Toyotaro handles him well in the next arc.

people need to remember the game is 3vs3, the roster should have a minimum of 30 characters to make up for it

>roster doesn't at least have the entire roster of tenkaichi 3

why even bother

>>382134130
>replace Bluegetto with SSj Vegetto
>replace Beerus with Hit
>replace Zamasu with Janemba
Fixed your list

>>382149760
>Pay attention anon, it's the dance that Gohan also underwent that gives you healing powers.
Are you fucking stupid? Gohan did not become a disciple to the Supreme Kai. Gohan got his potential unlocked.

Different rituals.

I hope it's exclusively stuff from Super.

>>382149909
> >>382143990

>>382149528
>Which we're never told until Super mind you
What does that have to do with the foreshadowing? Also, Kibito was an apprentice with the exact same power.
>we didn't know that he was still considered an apprentice because it was after he killed Gowasu
What a stupid assumption on your part. I assumed that since they use rituals to change their status that he didn't gain the status of Supreme Kai from killing his master and simply remained as he was.
>he was always portrayed as an attendant
They're both or did you miss the parts where Zamasu had to tend to Gowasu?
>From where exactly?
This is genuinely my mistake. It's what I get for watching Super between chapters of the manga. Looks like you were right about him training to use it off-panel.
Also, Elder Kai's dance seems to be exclusive to him due to his fusing to a witch. Gohan did not undergo the dance that makes him an apprentice like Trunks did.

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>>382150029
Gohan literally had two different rituals done to him, the Kai ritual and the unlock. Even Old Kai says they're two different things >>382149528

That said it seems that toyble thought they were both one ritual.

>>382149909
No, 24 characters is perfect(how many fit the demo select screen).

It's a 3v3 game that relies heavily on the focus of assisting. Team comp is important, it's not like Tenkaichi or Raging Blast tag team. The difference between Goku/Vegeta/Gohan and Goku/Vegeta/Piccolo could be potentially huge.

>>382149231
Rose was the funniest shit, and by funny, I mean a bad sort of funny. Like, he just starts using random powers and he explains it by saying "even I won't know what happens!" Man, what a shit show.

>>382149528
>Unlike in DB there isn't a moment where Goku actually witnesses the use of Hakai to learn it.
There is something a lot of people don't realize that solves most of the confusion people have with the manga. Between the battle with Beerus and Chapter 5 where they've begun training with Whis, there is a timeskip. During this timeskip, two things happened. One of them is that they performed the Super Saiyan God ritual on Vegeta. Unlike in the anime, manga Vegeta can use the pink SSG form. Second, they trained with Whis and Beerus for quite some time. It's implied that Goku witnessed Beerus use Hakkai at some point during their training, the same way Goku learns Kaiyoken off-screen, and learns how to fly off-screen. Most training and new techniques in Dragonball are learned off screen and come out in a battle.

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>>382147251
>but in general he just kept his cool.

>>382150265
>Even Old Kai says they're two different things
yeah, either source or your entire argument is wrong.

>>382150440
The source is literally in my previous post you retard>>382149528
>Five hours for the ritual...
>and 20 for the power-up!!

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>>382134130
Dream team would consist of Kid Goku, Piccolo, and Broly.

>>382150389
>manga Vegeta can use the pink SSG form.
He doesn't learn how to use it until he goes into the RoSaT.
Alone.

>>382150612
Cool roster but higly unlikely

>>382150720
Wrong. He isn't able to switch between it and Blue like he did against SSJR Black until he went to the time chamber.

>>382150440
Oh and to drive it home Trunks literally says "where he did that weird dance around me" >>382150265
Sounds familiar doesn't it?

>>382150543
>being this fucking braindead
Hooooly shit.

The RITUAL takes 5 hours to preform, and the EFFECTS of the ritual—the POWER UP—take 20 hours to fully complete.

God fucking damn, two completely different rituals, fucking christ you are so unbelievably stupid, god fucking damn, Superfags NEED to fucking get gassed.

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>Goku never saw Beerus use Hakkai
hmm...

Keep super faggots out of the game

>>382150994
That isn't the Hakai

>>382134263
Skullgirls had 8 on release. Granted, there was a shitton of work put into each of them and they could have put all the work into making a huge poorly animated roster instead.

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>>382150994
Hmm...

>>382151050
Yes it is. Look at Goku's dialogue here.

>>382150896
>Only one Kai ritual requires a dance
>all other potential ones don't

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>>382150994
>generic energy blast
>hakai
How does that look anything like this?

>>382151137
It's the exact same thing, just at point blank. He's not going to go right up to the planet to hakkai it.

>>382151089
There's no ki blast with the Hakai. You hold your hand out and the thing you're using it on fades away.
Manga version and anime version look and work the same way

>>382150994
Also, if you notice here Vegeta uses SSJG.

>>382150265
>Gohan literally had two different rituals done to him
>I didn't read the manga.jpg

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>>382151376
>post links right to the manga that implies two

>>382150963
The fuck are you talking about? Gohan transformed inmediatly after the old kaioshin told him that the ritual was done.

>>382151463
It implied one but whatever keeps your brain from frying.

>>382150612
best roster so far just replace like Satan with Videl and whis with arale.

>>382151523
It was also not even close to the power of the completed ritual.

>>382150963
>>382151119
Oh so you're implying that there's another ritual then?
One that's also another weird dance around someone?
Yeah, no.

Even if that was the case then we have another instance of poor writing from Toyble because we have no idea what this ritual is.

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>tfw no alternate costumes

>>382151523
>Gohan transformed inmediatly after the old kaioshin told him that the ritual was done.
The ritual takes 25 hours. 5 hours to preform the ritual, and 20 hours for the ffects to be complete. That's the entire ritual.

There is literally no one on this planet other than you who could possibly have interpreted Gohan's power up as two different rituals.

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Majin Vegeta REALLY deserves to be in this game. Maybe as a dark phoenix like transformation or just like gold Frieza, It doesn't matter how, this just needs to happen.
And It would really help to differentiate him from the goku, cell and gohans of this game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n95Xxpb1oJE

>>382151701
>It's poor writing because I'm retarded
Premium example of projection.

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>>382151701
>another instance of poor writing from Toyble because we have no idea what this ritual is
>no idea what this ritual is
>literally a ritual to make you a disciple to supreme Kai
>literally stated in the manga
Do you also think Kid Buu is stronger than Buuhan?

>>382151737
There are two dancing rituals, but you can bundle them up as one and it doesn't matter, because both Gohan and Trunks received the same thing.

The 5 hour dance ritual is the initiation to become a Kai apprentice, the 20 hour one after that is for powering up.

Trunks specifically says he danced around him for "around a whole a day" which matches with 25 hours.

>>382151939
It's not often I see a post where literally everything in it is wrong.

>>382151737
>20 hours for the effects to be complete
So what, he just kept dancing for the rest of that time even though the ritual was complete?

Admit it, you're just stubbornly sticking to a misinterpretation.

I've never been so bored with Dragonball as I am with Super desu. I hope it doesn't get any characters in this game.

>>382151856
That's not even what projection means anon.

>>382151737
>literally a ritual to make you a disciple to supreme Kai
Which we never see Trunks undergo, we just have a description that ties it to the one that Gohan underwent.
>literally stated in the manga
You do realise that this is a visual medium right?

>>382152215
>he's uneducated too
Don't worry, I won't bully.

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>>382146898
>Full Power SSJB Goku vs Merged Zamasu was seriously the most fun I've had with anything DB related since Budokai 3 came out.
It was pretty awesome.

>>382150076
That doesn't matter for people who don't play at high level, which will be most people who buy this game.

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>>382152105
>he just kept dancing for the rest of that time even though the ritual was complete?
>kept dancing

>>382151939
>The 5 hour dance ritual is the initiation to become a Kai apprentice
{citation doesn't exist}
>Trunks specifically says he danced around him for "around a whole a day" which matches with 25 hours.
>being so fucking stupid

I'm fucking done with you.

Why are people arguing about whether or not the 20 hours after the initial 5 require a dance? What relevance does that have? We know both Gohan and Trunks received the same ritual. That much is true.

Toyo's manga will eventually have Gohan revealed to have healing powers, just watch.

>>382152168
too bad

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>>382152475
>We know both Gohan and Trunks received the same ritual

>>382152475
>We know both Gohan and Trunks received the same ritual.
That's the problem. This anon here >>382152450 is saying that they aren't the same ritual and that Gohan DOESN'T have healing powers.

>>382152475
>We know both Gohan and Trunks received the same ritual
No, we know they underwent similar rituals. Gohan's unlocked his potential while Trunks' made him an apprentice. Gohan did not become an apprentice and Trunks did not have his potential unlocked.
You can tell because Gohan's was 5 hours of dancing followed by 20 hours of pattycake because of how much latent power he had. Trunks implies his dance lasted almost a whole day.

>>382139448

Ginyu himself is indeed boring as fuck, the potential to have a "Ginyu Squad" character is awesome though.

>>382152475
>both Gohan and Trunks received the same ritual.
>That much is true.
so much wrong in just 1 post

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>>382152842
>"Ginyu Squad" character

>>382149447
>>382150424
>Black in the anime had some moments where he was worried about things but in general he just kept his cool.
>had some moments where he was worried
>but in general he just kept his cool
>had some moments
>but in general

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>>382152842
Wouldn't they need to model all five of them still?

>>382143054

>Nappa in raging blast 2

So dope, one of the few characters with a legitimately unique moveset.

>>382153324
So not at all then?

https://u.nya.is/kcmplb.mp4
>destroys random buildings in a fit of rage

>>382153620
>three moments
>two of which are minor
>one of which he then calms down and powers-up to defeat Vegeta
>in 20 episodes where he repeatedly got his ass kicked and yet kept his cool and just powered-up
>compared to manga Black who has a billion scenes where he's sperging out and cried about muh superior Kami

Try harder, this meme is getting stale. If you seriously try to claim that manga Black kept his cool more than anime Black, you're retarded.

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>>382153046
>Ginyu body swaps
>Jeice and burter combo attacks
>Recoome grapples
>Guldo time stop super
>the best post match taunt/pose

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>>382152768
You realise the unlock ritual, the one where Old Kai sat in front of Gohan, isn't a Kai ritual right?

The dance makes you an apprentice, the power up ritual was inherited from the witch and is exclusive to the Old Kai for the time being.

>>382153875
>t-there m-minor!!
>and whenever he lost, he got bullshit power ups out of nowhere!!
>so cool!!
wew lad

>>382153930
The 5 hour dance is part of the ritual that unlocked his potential, stupid.
The dance ritual that turns you into an apprentice is, according to Trunks, a dance that lasts almost all day, not 5 hours.

>>382154173
He's baiting you dude, no one is actually that stupid.

>>382154173
>The 5 hour dance is part of the ritual that unlocked his potential
It's not, we've just covered this in the manga panels.

>The dance ritual that turns you into an apprentice is, according to Trunks, a dance that lasts almost all day, not 5 hours.
That's because Toyble though that the unlock dance and the power up were one ritual.

>>382154310
Are you sure about that?
>>382154315
>That's because Toyble thought that the unlock dance and the power up were one ritual.
No, it's because (You) think they're the same. The manga panels show inconsistency between the two rituals, meaning they are different.

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Is this the most pointless transformation in the entire series?

Like what even IS SSJ2? Goku barely ever even uses this form. Wouldn't it have been better to have kept this for exclusive to Gohan, and just have Goku and Vegeta fight as SSJs? And then, when Goku fought Buu, reveal that he too achieved the same stage that Gohan unlocked, and have him go SSJ3? And just call that stage an Ascended Super Sayian or something? Just say it's different for purebloods, and that's why Goku's hair is much longer and he loses the eyebrows.

It's much better than just attaching Numerical values to these forms and saying, well, this is even STRONGER!!

What is even SSJ3? How do you even get there?

SSJ is meant to be manifested rage when pushed to your limits.

SSJ2 is an Ascended form of SSJ after mastering the SSJ state.

SSJ4 is what happens when you go SSJ while an Ozaru, and you manage to control and contain that form. It is a Primal State that takes the user to their absolute peak condition. So that could have better been called Primal Super Saiyan.

But SSJ3 is...? You just dig deeper?

Why even give Goku SSJ2 in the first place? Why not make SSJ3 his Ascended Super Saiyan form? And why attach stupid numerical values to all these states?

This shit always bugged me to no end.

>>382153493
yes, but the teammembers would probably like have one or two attacks at max

>>382154571
>No, it's because (You) think they're the same.
What.
I'm not only telling you but I'm also showing you with the manga itself that they're two different rituals and that Toyble has in fact made the mistake of combining the two into one.

>>382154651

SSJ3 looks hideous in my opinion.

SSJ2 was the peak aesthetic.

Super is garbage and should not sully the greatness that is DBZ. Please, you austimo-jabronies, quit trying to get retarded looking characters put into the game.

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I just want a Tournament of Power fighting game with no Z and GT shit.

>>382154718
>Toyble has in fact made the mistake of combining the two into one.
No he didn't, all he did was make it so Kai rituals all involve dancing. They are two different rituals with a similar way of starting them(dancing).

>>382154104
What are you even talking about? Black looks grumpy and says "Damn Saiyans" and blows up some buildings and you say those aren't minor? Compared to manga Black who powered-up, started screaming about how "I'M A GOD, MY JUSTICE IS ABSOLUTE" and couldn't take Vegeta's beating like a man? Yeah, totally comparable.

>and whenever he lost, he got bullshit power ups out of nowhere!!
If you had paid any attention to the discussion, you'd have realized I've already conceded that the manga is better written, I'm stating why Black was more entertaining in the anime. And yes, the bullshit power-ups he got that helped him maintain his composure during battle are part of the reason why he was entertaining.

I'm sorry if you get a kick out of these anime vs manga shit-flinging contests, but I don't, I'm not here to argue which one's better written, because I'm already on your side on that one. So stop being an autist.

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>>382154571
>No, it's because (You) think they're the same.
>saying this
>when the post you're replying to says they aren't
/v/ gets worse with every passing day

>>382155118
>No he didn't, all he did was make it so Kai rituals all involve dancing.
Okay, so there just so happens to be another dance that takes just about a day to do just like the combined rituals the old kai performed.

So where does this ritual happen in Super.

>>382154651
>SSJ2 is an Ascended form of SSJ after mastering the SSJ state.
Wrong. SSJ2 is a powered up variation of normal SSJ, and SSJ3 is even more power. Those are Toriyama's exact translated words.

You don't need to master SSJ to get SSJ2, because 1. That would imply you need to master SSJ2 to get 3. And 2. that would imply Trunks and Vegeta and even Gotenks mastered normal SSJ, which is just assumption based on no evidence, just speculation.

SSJ2 and SSJ3 are just normal SSJ with more energy pushed into them.

>"and this is to go even further beyond!"
was not just a meme

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>>382155163
Top kek
Keep those tears coming

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>dimensional rift pulls characters from different alternate timelines where they are at their finest(Vegeta got his wish during Namek and then turned on Goku and Freiza for example) and fucks up powerlevels, just to shake things up a little
>class based system, can only take 2 of the same class into battle
>7 Characters in each class like muh dragonballs
>Match-up triangle system, Bruiser>Skirmisher>Tactician>Bruiser. Easier to balance more tiers with fewer characters than a huge roster.
>No Super shit, except for the bosses
>Bosses are marked in spoilers. You 3v1 [one] of them at the end of the game, and they WILL mop the floor with you
>Only Buu can transform with alternating movesets that reclass him, just to be special

>Bruiser : Close Combat specialists.
Goku, Yamcha, Cell, Roshi, Dabura, Bardock, B R O L Y
>Skirmisher : Energy Blast specialists.
Vegeta, Ten Shin Han, Krillin, Freiza, Gotenks, Future Trunks, Beerus
>Tactician : Weird Shit specialists.
Zenmode Gohan, Piccolo, Dr Gero, Fat/Evil/Kid Buu, Captain Ginyu Zamasu&Gay Goku TagTeam

Preorder DLC : SSGSSBS Wig Jackie Chunand OPM Saitama
Then nickel and dime dlc expansions with movie characters and "fan requested" favorites.