Fire Emblem Echoes

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Reminder that Faye is happy in all her cipher art because Alm was totally fucking her on the side

If you leave them there, you can actually recruit them with Celica when she has a chance to go back there in Ch 2.

It's only them though, none of the others on Alm's path will join Celica

>>382070813
Because you can to recruit them with Celica later on.
No.

>>382070945
>>382070961
Ah shit, probably should've left one of them for Celica.

Whatever, thanks.

>>382070813
writers couldn't be fucked to write them into the main story after the time skip except in support logs

>>382071098
that actually would have been a bad idea, considering how few units you get in the early parts of echoes and that Alm's army's rating ends up getting dwarfed by Celica's pretty fast if you don't grind or do side missions.

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>>382070813
Sheesh anon Faye >>>/trash/

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I can be your Celica tonight

>>382071098
Celica doesn't need them. On the other hand, Cleric Faye is really useful on Alm's side since Silque doesn't get Psychic.

>>382071398
Oh nice, thanks.

This game feels kinda weird desu, something feels off.

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>>382071423
Faye is cute

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>>382072547

>>382072796
And?

>>382072796
That doesn't stop me from liking Faye or Faye from pining over Alm

>>382072547

That's all she has going for her

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>>382070813
>Favorite villager is Kliff
>Tobin and Gray absorb all the dialogue
I want the cute edgelord's opinion on things.

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> There's a whale more obsessed with Faye in Heroes than Faye is obsessed with Alm

https://imgtc.com/a/MQeLOT3OSA

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You remember to pick Sonia over Deen, right /v/?

>>382073239
Since Kliff and Faye are optional they don't get much dialogue

Although I think Clair is too and she gets a good bit

>>382073274
Man, he sure has a devoted heart for her.

Just finished the Thabes Labyrinth. Was pretty easy outside of the ridiculous attack/HP some enemies had in the later floors.
Tobin with the Parthia was the MVP since it's skill allowed him to hit from a million tiles away.

>>382073559
Yes, the sheep needs a friend

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>>382073274
Looks like he has a devoted heart

>>382073559
>Choose Sonya for the story importance
>The swamp chapters
>Worse than Celica, Mae, and Delthea
Not making that mistake twice. I'm a Deenfag now.

>>382073774
Damn, wasted too much time looking for my Carlos pic

>>382073559

Picking a 4 MOV unitt over a Dread Fighter in SWAMPS: The Route?

Hahahaha

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Faye is best girl and Alm is a fool for turning her down.

Also Celica is braindead and manages to accomplish absolutely nothing despite half the story being dedicated to her.

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>>382073975
>Not letting Sonya slap her father's shit and getting that Dragon Shield.

>>382073239
ye this, I liked Faye and Kliff the most from the prologue

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>>382070813
>finish Act 3 and start 4
>realize the bad guys are literally jews

>>382074775
>literally jews
they're just people afraid of a future without the God they have come to rely on

The last chapter is pretty much you attacking them and their beliefs rather than you stopping a great evil

>>382074775
Jews? They seemed more like really warped catholics to me. They had a pope and everything.

>>382074174
>Needing 5 dread fighters for Celica's route.
>Has some of the worst growths in the game.
>Already have a mercenary with one eye in the party.
>Even the same support as Saber with Jesse.
He's so redundant, it hurts.

>>382073559
Atlas, Jesse, Saber and Kamui are not enought

>Get Atlas
>Come across as some meathead
>Pretty good str
>ends up never missing a strength growth
>becomes a sniper with 35+ attack and still climbing

This guy is nuts. I'm giving him a killer bow to make up for the speed

>>382075006
>>382074908
He's a /pol/ poster (Only they still cling to pepe and wojack these days), of course he's going to think anything that is remotely religious is a knock against the Jews.

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DUDE ALM LMAO

>>382074174
She gets Rewarp which makes her the only female mage besides Celica and Delthea worth a damn in the long run.

>>382075263
meant to>>382074174

>>382074297
How? Doesn't he nullifies any attack?

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>>382074775
I'm a /pol/ack and I don't see it.
Duma actually seems like he was a pretty cool god before he went crazy.

>>382075761
You can hit him every fourth attack.

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>>382075761
>He doesn't know

>>382075761
He nullifies anything but every fourth person to fight him. It was a dumb change from Gaiden where ever 4 turns determined if you could hurt him or not.

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>Emma have a rating of 252 as a lvl 20 harrier with only SPD and LCK capped
>Gave Mathilda the pitchfork and turned her into a pegasus knight
>Mathilda capped everything except RES without a Starsphere
>Her rating is 272

>>382074276
this.
aslo Celica is canonically flat chested
Faye is at the very least a C cup

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>>382074276
>Faye is best girl
wwrrrrrrrrrrrrong

>>382074276
>>Also Celica is braindead and manages to accomplish absolutely nothing despite half the story being dedicated to her.


The Falchion got powered thanks to Celica.

>>382075761
>How? Doesn't he nullifies any attack?
Dood at Sage's Hamlet gave the hint.
What the fuck happened to him exactly?

>>382076501
>The Falchion got powered thanks to Celica.
Did I miss something? Didn't Mila just have to release the seal on the Falchion stuck in her body? Celica didn't do anything except get soul raped by Jedah/Duma and shanked by Alm.

cuck memes aren't funny.

FE15 poisoned Gaiden by bringing in its cancerous Cordelia nonsense into the game like this.

>>382075996
>>382076017
>>382076035
>>382076628
Fuck.
Do illusion soldier attacks not count? I could swear I attacked him at least with Sonya, Celica and Nomah to see if I could trigger special conversations and some of the random summons also attacked him too but I don't remember any of them doing any damage.

>>382076464
I dare anyone to name a more perfect girl pro tip, you can't

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If you have the Cipher dlc, remember to send the Cipher 2 girls on Celica's party. Shade learns rescue, silence and freeze.

And you can have Sonya and Shade Onee chans on the same side.

>>382076880
I can. Claire with Rhomphaia and the Dragonhaze skill.

>>382076815
I'm pretty sure every fourth attack works, so I guess Illusion Soldiers should work. I just used Celica with Ragnarok on him, while I accumulated no dmg hits with Atlas (Archer) and Leon out of range since Jedah in the swamp chapter can't counter at that range.

>>382076815
I hit him with three edgelords and then used Alm for the killing blow. I read somewhere that he autocrits in the final battle.
>>382077031
my man

>>382077064
>Atlas as an archer

Dude, Leo is so good in his niche that he doesn't need competition. Just make Atlas a cavalier.

>>382076946
>That thigh
Unf unf

>>382077170
Thing is, I was wondering what to do with Atlas but Celica route already gave out so much Mercs. I had to make use of his high ass strength since his other stats (I'm also assuming growths) are total shit, so I wouldn't want him 1 ranging shit. More archers aren't a problem.

>>382077170
>Cavalier
>when most of Celica's route is DUDE SWAMPS/DESERTS LMAO
I made that same mistake and I regret it. Make him a Merc

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Alm confirmed for having best harem

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So beside Saber, Mia and Celica, everyone on the route is fucking shit right now and I cant beat Polnareff map on hard/classic. Help?

>>382077365
That's not Ephraim. The girls in SoV are top tier though

>>382077339
Celica already has too many mercs. Besides, she doesn't even have a cavalier in her group until non-canon Conrad joins halway through Chapter 4.

>>382077170
You make Atlas a mercenary, then when he reaches lvl 10 dread fighter, you turn him into an archer and give him a killer bow.

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>>382077365
Inari is really tickling my dick with that Harrier design.

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>>382077365
>That feel when you can have 13 years old Emma wear that costume

>>382077851
I could've done that if I leveled him more, but I wasn't going to use him a lot besides weakening targets for better chars to eat the exp and using him against one time things like Jedah where range matters.

>killer bow
Double Volley and Double Lion is a godsend.

>>382078043
Picture of this. Now.

>>382078173
>>382077851
I refuse to make Atlas an archer or a mercenary. Fuck both of you.

>>382078254
Bro, Act 4 is all swamp shit and your mobility would be absolutely. Cantors, Witches and flying demons could pick off Atlas who has shitty stats besides strength while you're clogging up the map trying to get to the other side.

Having another range unit helps a ton picking off far away units and Atlas can't afford to take hits.

You won't even be able to use Celica's army until the very last stage in Act 5 too. Might as well make it worth it.

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>>382076464

>>382077407
I don't recall which chapter that was but the answer to everything in this game is dread fighters and invoke. Just spam Invoke honestly, the AI always attack the specters.

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>>382076464
Nothing will stop her

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>>382076464
Claire is cute
CUTE

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>>382079731
GRAYED

>>382079563
I wish Claire would do that to me with her spear.

There's one thing I don't really understand. People say Echoes had the best writing of the 3ds games but for one second it was Fates tier. Didn't everything go a bit too conveniently for Rudolf? How did he KNOW Alm was going to lead the Deliverance? The prophecy wasn't much to go on because he was raised like a poor farmboy. And why was Mycen so serious about him not leaving back in Ram Village? Wouldn't that have ruined the whole plan if Alm listened?

>>382080991
the exact same thing happened in the original and it was pretty dumb then too
if alm died or something, everything would be fucked

>>382080991
There's a lot in FE2's story that breaks down once you look back on it. But that is nowhere close to being on FE13's level of awful writing.

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>>382079882
come at me foolish white women

>>382080991
Because of the brand, Alm was was the chosen one.


Also, it's the final battle! This starts playing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3d-QVg_4LPY

What's your quote as you face off to kill God?

>>382080991
Alm's brand was a sign he was destined to save Valentia, that is, kill Duma. I assume Rudolf was guessing based on that.

The story isn't perfect by any means but it's still much better than Fates

>>382081406
Can we please stop comparing FE15 with the abomination that was 13?

How the shit do I beat Grief's fortress with Celica? How do I grind for it? On hard classic but geez

>>382081514

Can we please stop considering remakes as new numbered entries?

>>382081594
Geyse.

Use the Dragon Shrine, you idiot.

>>382081594
I won by spamming Invoke and using Dread Fighter Saber with the Brave Sword.
You did kill Deen right?

>>382081594
DLC
L
C

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>>382081847
>Needing DLC for a game this easy

>>382081653
If we did that now we'd have to change a lot of shit
Awakening - 11
Fates - 12
but the remakes have counted as numbers for years so the community would have to change a lot to not count them

>>382081847
If you actually bought DLC for FE15, then you deserve to die.

>>382081980
I bought all the DLC for Echoes. So you better start hoping I go bald.

>>382081180
Fates writing was way worse than Awakening, but Echoes actually felt like a GBA/GC/Wii era FE Story. They aren't perfect but they were passable.

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>>382081391
>What's your quote as you face off to kill God?
Kys, poser

>>382081653
You're like 9 years too late, since people have been calling Shadow Dragon FE11 since it released.
Technically you're 23 years too late since FE3 is a remake of FE1.

>>382081942

the most baffling piece of dlc in my eyes is the overclassing.

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ARUMU-KUN

>>382082108
>implying the games with really stupid titles such as "Awakening" and "Fates" shouldn't all go under the blanket term of "FE13"
We didn't give Final Fantasy 13 the courtesy of calling it "Fabula Nova Crystalis" or whatever, why should we give that same courtesy to Fire Emblem 13?

>>382076281
>expecting good combat performance from a 13 year old girl

>>382082307
Really unnecessary, but I love extra class tiers. Loved them in radiant dawn, too.

What really bugs me is that snipers class into bow knights, instead of keeping on foot.

>>382082317
because Awakening is the 13th FE game
and Fates combined is the 14th
Echoes is the 15th FE Game, a remake of the second.

Warriors will probably be the only game that doesn't get numbered because it doesn't play like Fire Emblem

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You are now the director of FE Switch with near total control over the project, what do you do?
The only requirements are that its a completely new setting and uses 3D, "next gen" graphics.

Give me your pitches for a new game.

>>382082442
Fuck you. FE13 and FE14 are both FE13, and FE13 is synonymous with being the devil's work sent by Satan to destroy all media and leave it in a void in which the only media that exists is haremshit blueballs ecchi anime. Kill yourself.

>>382082610
Hi Delphi

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>>382082589
HEUG game. 50 chapters minimum. No second gen. SoV tier soundtrack.

That's all I got

>>382082610
What did he mean by this?

>>382082589
Echoes artist
maybe Branching Paths with actual choices that matter to give replay ability rather than making the plot choice with your wallet and the whole game is dictated by that, including difficulty and map themes

Fates had an idea but a retarded plot and decision system

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>>382082308
JIIIIIIKUUUUUU~

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSK6-3f8iT4

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What did the Archaneans mean by this?

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>FE Switch will probably have even more DLC than the previous games
why are IS such jews

>>382082868
ZEEEK-KUUUUUU!

Zeke's English voice was better.

>>382082589
Dragons are fucking shit up.

>>382082919
The "Archaneans" don't like America very much

>>382083003
HOLY SHIT SOMEONE GET THIS GUY A JOB

>>382083016
>The "Archaneans" don't like America very much
Wew.
But the Archaneans won in the end.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlfgp4aS_A0

>>382083078
Nobody cares. Go shitpost somewhere else.

>>382082589
Isekai
The Second Awakening
1000 into the future where Grima revives

>decide to spend money, cause whatever
>spend $50
>get 0 5*

never again

>>382083078
Bomb #3 coming soon

>>382082969

because people buy it.

>>382083107
Lot of shit in this game was top notch and they went all out with the first fully voiced FE Game

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>>382083107
Considering how hard it is to actually make a permanent mistake with the turnwheel, they really put a lot of effort into making you feel like a complete piece of garbage when somebody dies. It's a fantastic change of pace from recent games where half the units just retreated and nobody mourned at all.

I love it so much, it makes everything feel so much more personal and alive, even if I never saw any of it in my own playthrough. I seriously hope they continue to put stuff like this into future games.

>>382083552
The reason it's fully scripted is because there a lot less characters and overall script compared to other FE games. (Just look at how short the supports are.) If the next game to be remade is Binding Blade, don't expect it to be fully voiced.

>>382083107
>Dude we can't save everyone leave Delthea lmao
This guy

>>382082589
I just want crit animations to be really cool again. Little has captured the feeling of a good number of the crits in the GBA games. They don't have to all be legendary weapon / swordmaster tier, but less ones that just spin their weapon before striking, yeah?

>>382083796
I think sadly a lot of that was because it was an old game, but the staff really loved Gaiden.

That being said I hope the lines of what they say when someone dies on the map are put back in future games for reasons you stated

>>382083958
I feel like they could pull it off, especially since Gaiden's plot is about the length of other FE games now and even NPCs got voiced most of the time

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>>382083107
Fuck this nigga for not wanting to save strong loli

>>382083552
The voice acting was surprisingly good and I came in unaware that the entire game was voice acted, even among most NPCs. One can hope the future sequels/remakes will be like that also, but SoV does have a smaller script than the rest.

>>382084071
The animations in Echoes are pretty good.
Dread fighters are GBA tier.
Parry is great for everyone.
Overclass in general.

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>>382084505
Haven't gotten to overclass yet, but I did like seeing villagers who got a lucky dodge, and then got to counter.

>>382084690
Overclass is dlc unfortunately.

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>>382082589
These are mine:

>Large game, on a similar level as Radiant Dawn and FE 7 in terms of content and number of maps.
>World Map returns.
>Weapon Arts and being able to learn spells like in Gaiden/SoV. Arts are tied to certain types of weapons not to the individual weapon.
>Weapon/Magic triangle returns (light and dark magic return).
>Weapons can break after constant use during that battle, all weapons get their "ammo" back at the start/end of the battle.
>Branching Promotions like in Sacred Stones, Awakening and Fates.
>Branching paths/choices in which certain battles will be altered or excluded based on player choices.
>Fully voiced with 3D cutscenes for dialog instead of a pair of sprites talking. If the Dynasty Warriors spin off can have this, so can a mainline FE game.
>Voice work on par with SoV.
>D through S rank supports which take place in between fights.
>Smaller cast of characters, on par with SoV and Sacred Stones. Give each character something to do within the confines of the story even if it is just a random conversation like in PoR and New Mystery.
>Towns like in SoV that you can do some light exploring.
>Either a Greek/Roman aesthetic for the main characters or back to Not!Japan.
>More practical armor and weaponry.
>Either have Hidari return for the art or get that one artist who draws the old men in Heroes.
>Let you equip armor to your characters in addition to weapons, you'd have to buy and maintain your characters equipment and what they wear can alter their stats and skills.

>>382085350
Most of this is good, but.

>Fully voiced with 3D cutscenes for dialog instead of a pair of sprites talking. If the Dynasty Warriors spin off can have this, so can a mainline FE game.

Please, God, no. I love flat, detailed, beautiful character art being used in place of 3D models. I can't even think of any examples where I thought 3D models for lazy conversation scenes looked better than something from Atelier Arland or Echoes.

>>382085827
The Ace Attorney series had a pretty good transition from 2D sprites into 3D models.

>>382075184
>>Has some of the worst growths in the game.
Did you just assume his growths weren't buffed from Gaiden? Deen has excellently placed growths in Echoes, and his total growths add up to 235%(only 9% lower than Sonya's total).

his bases are actually straight up better than all the other Celica route Dreads will be on his join level(and if you aren't grinding that much, he'll be joining while Saber isn't even a Dread yet, much less Kamui).

Deen was already better than Sonya in Gaiden, but now he absolutely annihilates her.

>>382085993
but AA is never voiced outside OBJECTION and random one liners, and for good reasons

>captcha: Woodman
nice

>>382077170
>>382077702

If you don't get any use out of the extra mobility, then going Cavalier is utterly pointless.

Cavalier is arguably Atlas worst possible option because he'll be outright weaker than all other options except archer in direct combat, with mobility barely better than the Soldier. Merc will outclass Cav on Celica's route because Merc gets to double, actually has almost equal mobility(by the time you are out of all the hindering terrain, Atlas will be a dread fighter with tons of mobility anyway).

Archer is also a great choice because Hunter's Volley Atlas can clean up literally anything from the map at will and Bow Knight's mobility and range combined is stupid.

Mage is also better than Cav because Atlas won't double as either, but Mage does a ton more damage and is essentially just as mobile as Cav on Celica's route, and at least he gets Rescue once he promotes.

Cavalier is only a good choice for a villager on Alm's route, and Kliff is pretty much the Cavalier to choose.

Why are Dread Fighters so fucking broken? Why are the classes so imbalanced?

How are you supposed to do Desaix's fortress in time to save Mathilda? This fort is impossible to push into safely.

>>382087616
Warp/Rescue silliness.

>>382087616
Warp into their back lines

>>382087670
>>382087695
I haven't tried that yet, but still sounds risky. Basically I've been putting Lukas with ridersbane up front and tanking everything. He either dodges or get pinged by everyone except the boss or the arcanist. I'm pretty sure he can ORKO the arcanist, but will he be able to survive the rest and take some damage away from a secondary tank?

Is delthea's AI programed to get herself killer? Went i send python forward, she teleported and got rekt, but when i turnwheel and send Alm instead (to bait her into subdue) she never teleported.

I hate how overclass eliminates everyone exclusive victory poses.

>>382088187
What I did for Delthea was warp Clair with Silque on turn 1, and rig a crit to kill the boss so Delthea didn't even have a chance to move and suicide onto somebody.

>>382087615
Dreads are only really broken on Celica's route to be real though, since the route sorta conspires to favor them with terrain that horribly hinders cavaliers and with a lot of mages in the later sections for Dreads to feed on.

On Alm's route, making more than 1 Villager a Merc is actually suboptimal for clearing the game efficiently: At least one mage is essentially required in the earlygame for fast clears, and that should be Tobin, using at least 2 spd from the fountain which lets him essentially double the entire earlygame(once his mobility really starts suffering or his combat starts lagging, he can start supporting with Physic). You also need at least one Archer or Cav to kill things earlier/pick off retreating enemies in the most efficient manner, and Kliff makes the best character for that(with cavalier having the edge over Archer due to mobility being so great on Alm's route). This means Gray is the only one who goes Merc, as Faye should go Cleric for Rescue and Physic.

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>0.01 chance getting this off a regular Gargoyle
>just got this

brb buying lottery tickets

>>382088187
she's programmed to act like a witch so basically yeah. she's gonna act like a disposable enemy unit.

>>382087615
ask kaga

>>382082589
>Fates class mechanics
>new weapon triangle, knives receive nerf so they aren't automatically the only weapon worth using
>GBA magic types come back with their own triangle within the triangle
>Echoes/GBA-like support mechanics
>Avatar lord's main class can branch into Sword/Magic, Sword/Axe/Knife and Sword/Lance/Bow-using special lord classes
>base conversations between chapters to add depth, some amongst themselves, some with the protagonist
>bonus EXP comes back, alongside bonus support ranks
>Himukai character art
>2D sprites for absolutely everything except combat models and waifu-amie
>even these are Revelator-like faux-2.5D
>also waifu-amie is back
>story is standard Fire Emblem, let's not try to outdo ourselves and fall flat again
>S-supports, child units and eugenics for (((that))) crowd
>parent characters are divided between "can have children" and "has eugenics-worthy stats"
>third tier overclasses as DLC
>armored healer and mage classes
>qts
>Hector makes a cameo

>>382089821
>Echoes/GBA-like support mechanics

Path of Radiance support mechanics are much better.

>>382086361
>Deen was already better than Sonya in Gaiden
Said no one.

>>382089979
I haven't played PoR so I'll take your word for it I guess.

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>>382087695
The only way to play

>>382090149
Faye and Silque running a Warp/Rescue train was the only reason I managed to beat that fucking stage. My Clair was godlike but she couldn't deal with that bullshit on her own.

>>382090131
It's based on how many battles the units have fought together rather than spending turns beside each other. Conversations are had at base. Being based on battles fought allows the conversations to touch upon story-relevant events, impact the story in small ways, and not progress too quickly. It also gets rid of dumb shit like ending your turn 100 times next to an empty throne in GBA games. The one thing I'd take from newer titles is lifting the anti-fun 5-conversation limit.

>>382087616
I just used Cleric Faye to keep Mathilda alive while I turtled the shit out of the whole garrison, with Clair and Emma trying to hunt for the Cantor and picking off archers.

>>382090039
Uh, no. He still had a lot of the advantages that he has now. it was closer but he's generally considered better in Gaiden as well due to mobility and bases meaning a lot. And before you bring up the Mage Ring- Celica uses it better in Gaiden than Sonya.

>>382090039
How is he not?
>better bases
>promotion level that isn't fucking 20
>isn't stuck to four move
Sonia was completely worthless when I played Gaiden because her one decent point of having Excalibur doesn't mean much on Celica's route.

>>382090986
Excalibur + Mage ring > You
Doesn't matter if she isn't better than a Lord character.

Also Deen has some of the worst growth rates in Gaiden, so enjoy forever being RNG screwed.

>>382091159
And pray tell, when does she get to rock that one Mage ring you are stuck with until , considering Celica is hogging it for her own Excaliburs?

Also, Just to match some of Deen's Myrmidon bases in Gaiden, Sonya needs to be a Level 20 Mage, and she's never catching up to Dread Fighter Deen in stats.

Also, Gaiden growths are terrible anyway. Sonya getting +1 to each stat once every 4 levels isn't exactly great either.

>>382079563
shame she is rather shit in this game

>>382091861
>Mum base stats
Means shit if you don't have growths to back them up. And it's all the more important to have a character with good growths in gaiden because of that.

Enjoy your old and busted Myrmidon.

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Why do you get Titiana as a Saint? She has no use in battle because she cant get her skills as a Saint. Same as that old man in Celica's route.

>>382092014
>>382092014
>Means shit if you don't have growths to back them up

1. That's completely incorrect. Good base stats are pivotal to a unit being good, and growths are essentially just a bonus that lets a good unit be good longer. A unit with bad bases but good growth is shit.

2. Sonya isn't catching up to Deen anyway, so his bases are actually better than both her bases and growths put together.

3. Sonya's growths are actually still terrible(you can argue about them being the best growths of all the mages, they are still bad). You know why she is a better mage than most of the other mages? Because of her base speed, not growths.

Both Deen and Sonya are good because of good bases, not good growths, and Deen's bases are way better.

>>382093116
If that's the case, you should only use promoted characters because they have 'better' base stats. Or a more extreme thinking using Jegian is okay.

You're an idiot if you think growths are meaningless.

>>382077170
My Atlas is archer and get so many FUCKING god crits, it's stupid

>>382093265
>If that's the case, you should only use promoted characters because they have 'better' base stats.

Prepromotes are commonly considered excellent units. There's a reason FE7 Marcus is considered a godly unit, and why FE6 Marcus, Zealot and Percival are all considered better than Allen and Lance despite low growths.

>Or a more extreme thinking using Jegian is okay.
Jagen is a solid temporary unit that you use when he's good then drop once he stops being useful. Also, his bases aren't actually that good at all, he mostly coasts on his excellent weapon level.
Every single Jagen Archetype in the series except Gunter has been a very good unit(and the only reason Gunter is bad is because he literally stops existing) because being good for a time beats being terrible and needing tons of investment just to be okay.

>>382093265
>You're an idiot if you think growths are meaningless.
Which is why I don't claim they are meaningless, they are simply a nice bonus for already good units. Having good bases and growths is better than just having good bases, which is why Seth is such a steamroller in SS, but having good bases and bad growths is better than bad bases and good growths, because the investment just to get the bad unit on par is not worth it.

>>382094138
>FE7 Marcus is considered a godly unit,
This is why your entire opinion is trash and should be ignored.

>>382094601
FE7 Marcus is actually pretty good, especially considering the (lol tier stats found on enemies in 7.

>>382094601
In any FE discussion forum worth it's salt, Marcus is considered by far the best unit in FE7. The only other candidate is Matthew in ranked, purely because he steals the Silver Card.

The only serious competition Marcus has for the top spot is a Lyn moded, early-promoted Sain, and even then they have the weakness of requiring an extra mode and not being there for the early levels.

But please, tell me what units you think are better than Marcus in FE7.