can anyone actually defend pirating? Like, if a game is banned

There is nothing right about it under most circumstances, but history shows that people will ALWAYS be okay with doing bad things.

>paying for anything you could easily get for free

Video games are shit and don't deserve to be bought by so many people
>Using Breath of the Wild as an example

>>382024780
>why buy bread when you can steal it

>>382024887
>Why buy bread when you can just go into a supermarket
>Look at the bread
>Wave your hands
>And another copy of the bread will pop up in your car while leaving the original bread as is

>>382024887
Too easy to get caught.

I don't have to defend anything. I pirate because I feel like it. If that makes you upset, that's your problem.

>can anyone actually defend pirating?
>proceeds to defend it in the very next sentence
Good thread

No, people who spout bullshit like "well it's not a lost sale" or "it's a victimless crime" are just moralfags in denial. I pirate because I want free games.

>>382025350
applying that to video games means less copies sold which means less money for the company. Now sure, it has plenty of money already, but if everyone started pirating then it wouldn't have any. The point is you have to support the company if you want more games. In the bread example, the baker might think people don't need his bread and stop making it

>>382024552
Simply because it's an option. If getting it for free is easy then why bother paying for it? Some people believe that if you like the game then you should buy it to show your support, but not everyone abides by that philosophy. If it wasn't so easy, then it would happen less frequently.

>>382025770
Or move on to a different product altogether.

>>382024552
I pirated BOTW on Wii U. If that makes you mad, good.

>People now unironically get triggered by piracy

I want Neogaf to leave.

>>382025770
>The point is you have to support the company if you want more games. In the bread example, the baker might think people don't need his bread and stop making it
Then most game companies keep releasing games worse and worse despite how much profit and money was made from them. There is honestly not one game series that I would give a shit about if they stopped making.

>>382025770
Good. This industry needs to die already.

>>382025770
I guess it is good that none of us care about the breadbaker then since we can magically create bread.

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>>382024552
People pirated it because it got delayed for four fucking years and didn't want to get hit with buyer's remorse.
And guess what? That's exactly what happened to so many people that bought a system for it.

I pirate Sims as a way to shit on EA's face

>>382024552
There is literally nothing wrong with duplicating something

>>382026158

Duplicating is still stealing as you steal away a potential customer by duping instead of buying

>>382024552
There is literally nothing wrong with duplicating something

Don't want your games pirated? Make them online only

>>382024552
Sure. If you actually want the market to implode and have a chance at dropping all of its anti-consumer bullshit in the future, its a good thing.

Many people use piracy as an extended demo. There have been several occasions where I've pirated a game then went on to purchase it because I enjoyed it.

In other cases, people just don't have the funds to purchase a game. If they aren't going to buy the game anyway, its not hurting the developer for them to pirate it.

>>382026273

Duplicating is still stealing as you steal away a potential customer by duping instead of buying

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>>382025770
>food analogy
Go die in a fire

>>382024552
>why should you get it just because you want it?
because i can

>>382024552
IMO it's OK to pirate games if you can't afford them.
As a kid I pretty much only played pirated games. I didn't really have an alternative. I rarely received money from my parents, and they didn't gift me Video games that often cause they didn't want me wasting my time in front of the computer.
By pirating games, I didn't steal from anyone, I didn't take revenue from anyone. On the contrary, I took up gaming as a hobby and tried out multiple genres, developing a diverse taste in vidya. Now that I actually have disposable income, I buy a new game every few weeks. In the long run, the industry profited from my piracy days.

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>>382026360
>Duplicating is still stealing as you steal away a potential customer by duping instead of buying

I don't want to pay for the product = Creator doesn't get a sale

I don't want to pay for the product so I pirate it = Creator doesn't get a sale

>>382026106
Except it isn't as if there are no more breadmakers due to "magically" copying their products, there won't be anything new.

>>382026287
Why not just make them good instead?
Based on the steam sale alone, you had plenty of people who were emulating disgaea 1, but then bought it.

>>382026270
Nope, because if I had to pay for it I would never be interested. According to your own logic, if I gave away free full-size samples I'd be stealing my own sales.

Because fuck you, I can get it for free with no possible repercussions, why would I pay?

>>382026106
how will you duplicate his bread when there isn't any bread at all?
>>382026158
its not duplicating it, its stealing a sale from the company
>>382026327
good that you bought the game, but it means that people think they don't have to pay for the game. then, even when they do have the funds, they feel like they can pirate anything because they've been doing it already
>>382026481
again, good on you for actually paying for games later on. but there are people who won't
>>382026514
yeah, but the point is that the creation was being used without being payed for. if you never use it, you don't have to pay for it. I'm only saying you have to pay if you want to use it.

>>382024887
I'd steal bread if there was no danger of getting caught.

>>382025770
Then maybe the economic system itself is at fault

>>382024552
fuck you faglord

>>382026763
If Pirating a game and not buying the game has the same results for the creator and not yourself than why not pirate. Its anonymous so its not like the creator will actually notice one sale not being made or that you personally just pirated his creation.

>>382026763
>I'm only saying you have to pay if you want to use it.
Then you are an imbecile. Why would I pay for something I can get for free?

I really like the retard who think piracy is a stolen sale. No you fuck, I was never interested in buying the full price product.

Why is piracy considered a stolen sale? Wouldn't used items be a TRUE stolen sale? Used items are:

>actually sold for money
>give no money to the developer
>sold by someone who has no worked on what they are selling

Why aren't you faggots mad about used goods then, hmm? Or maybe its because there's no use in crying about used goods? Or maybe, you idiots like to buy used goods too because its convenient and cheaper? Why don't you buy full priced you assholes??? Why are you failing to support the devs???

Fuck you.

Abandonware is the only defendable piracy

Finding morality in pirating is very specific and depends on the person, their situation, what game and why they are pirating it. There are too many people with varying reasons and morality on the subject, so trying to outright say pirating is either good or bad doesn't work. Delete your shitty thread.

>can anyone defend not spending money when you can help it
I have no idea.

>>382024552
Don't need to.

>>382026767
I think most people would do bad things if they could get away with it. That's why we have laws.

Video game companies continually post record-breaking profits. I get games for free and it clearly doesn't break their bank. There you go you stupid moralfag.

>/v/ is the only board that has people argue against piracy
the riaa and mpaa could learn a thing or two from you game devs

>>382024552
fundamentally there is no harm when pirating, therefore it is not morally wrong

>>382024552
Nope. If people want free shit, they'll get their free shit. Problem here is they're so short sighted that they don't understand that by pirating, they are removing themselves from certain markets and demographics. When people wonder why they're being forsaken for the Normies crowd, they need only to look at the mirror. People will deny it as much as they want, but it's the truth. That being said, I pirate things I don't care for supporting and buy things I always want to see more of. It's that simple.

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>>382024552
only times I'd justify pirating/emulating something are if
>game is an unreleased prototype
>never released in the west and requires a fan translation to read
>some rare or obscure title that has extremely little chance of rerelease

>>382027392
I guess we owe normies and apology, since they're the ones that keep games afloat

>>382024552
If i can copy an apple a billion times for free then it's worth norhing, so therefore any digital good you can copy should be free. Proof me wrong

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Most if not all of these trash games are hardly worth my time let alone my money

Dumbed down retarded a.i

Cutscenes after every 10-20 minute choke points

Terrible copy paste borderline gameplay in just about everything nowadays

Treating gamers like idiots showing them where to go and how to do it

So in short...it depends i would gladly buy another souls game if they made 1 and i will gladly buy any game that is worth it..but sadly the industry doesn't give a SHIT about gamers and brain dead fans will just keep giving the industry more money..so it will never end

>>382027624
This pretty much sums it up.
Video games are just 0s and 1s that can be replicated infinitely with no effort.
They have no inherent value, and there is no scarcity, thus there is no reason to pay for video games.

>>382027618
>Normies
>The reason why games are shit
>The reason why consoles are shit
>The reason why the movie industry is shit
>The reason why they keep making Nintendo games
>Deserving an apology
hahahahasfas ghah

>>382027624
>>382027754
but muh labor theory of value

>>382024691
guess this guy was right, describes a lot of people in this thread
>>382027095
the same reason you don't steal things from people, because they worked hard on them. if you think the prices are too much, then don't buy them.
>>382027274
again, stealing isn't okay
>>382027237
I get that everyone has their own situation, but if you can't afford something, you don't get it. if someone else will get it for you, then good, it's still being bought. but I don't think video games are ever such a necessity that you have to resort to piracy
>>382027546
Like i said in OP. i agree
>>382027624
Have fun when there aren't anymore games because all the companies see that they make no money from them

>>382027624
you are correct and fully right.

The only people it harms are those trying to create something for the purpose of money. If anything copy-able became free, it would weed out those doing it for cash, but it also weeds out those who don't have enough to complete something without money.

Sometimes the creator needs money to get things done, like pay for more help and whatnot, but those making for the sake of creation will be unaffected.

That's why my stance on piracy is simple. I'll pirate ANYTHING, I don't care. But if I want more of something, I will pay.

>>382024552
I usually pirate games to see if they can run on my toaster first.

Steam said they would stop taking refunds from if I was continuously wanting refunds just because I couldn'trun the game.

>>382027832
You should overtake them in market participation and make developers lust after your gamerbux instead.

>>382027840
>Have fun when there aren't anymore games because all the companies see that they make no money from them
>corporations get the fuck out of gaming and it becomes about people passionate about games making them in their free time

You make it sound like a bad thing

>>382027840
> because they worked hard on them
And I should give a fuck about this because...?
It's available for free, and I am going to get it for free.
Fuck you, and fuck your hard work. I don't care.

>>382027832
>Refuse to buy products.
>Normies do.
>Company follows where the money goes.
>WTF WHY DID COMPANY BETRAY ME?????
Dumb ass.

>>382027840
>stealing isn't ok
it isn't stealing, stealing requires the victim to suffer being deprived of their property
>piracy is leading to dimishing profits trending toward ruin
the opposite is true, so [[[[citation needed]]]]

>>382027715
>>382027707
Nice

>>382027909
>I don't want any more of this game
>But I want to play it

>>382027982
>Being so delusional you think video games used to be a labor of love
It's always been about money.

>>382028174
exactly, so I pirate it. Because it's free.

>>382027920
Impossible, they are too many and too retarded.

>>382024552
I care much more about keeping money in my wallet than putting money in some faggot game dev's wallet.

Therefore getting games for free the smartest financial choice.

>>382028187
Where did i say that, and how did you get that from my post? I know video games have always been commercial

>>382028336
in other words you want stuff for yourself and refuse to pay people for making something that you want

Why is /v/ such a whiny, pathetic cuck board? Literally every other entertainment board has piracy as the norm for everything they consume and only /v/ whines about piracy despite anti-piracy measures for video games being as draconian as it gets and pricing for games being all over the fucking place and usually very arbitrary. On top of that, you have good goys fucking creaming their jeans to spend money (see: Steam Sale threads)....very pathetic.

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>some people will say that they pirate because the game is shit, but will play it anyway
>some people don't understand how piracy affect sales
>some people make food analogies
It's not the moral stance that pisses me off, it's the sheer stupidity of you people

>>382028445
>can get something free
>decides to pay

if only we could all be as rich as you

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>>382024552
There's no justification to pirate a game, it's a game, getting to enjoy its not a right it's a privilege, then again corporations are cunts so it leaves a bad taste in your mouth to defend them.

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>>382028026
>Buy product
>Once the developer gets money wants more
>Starts changing product to appeal to more people to get more profit
>Product changes in a way that the core audience doesn't likes
>Developer doesn't care since he makes more of a profit off people who don't actually have standards and just want a new video game
>Will either come crawling back to the original audience like Call of Duty WW2 and DoW3 trying to sell off a shit game because the nor
>WTF DUMB ANON DON'T YOU KNOW HOW STUFF WORKS???!!
Kill yourself you dumb shit. I bet you felt really smart making that stupid fucking posting

Nice bait thread OP, but now that we've had our fun let's get back on topic.

I downloaded Dark Souls 3 and it ran like ass and I'm disappointed. Recommend me some games to pirate instead.

>>382027840
Moralfags dont belong on 4chan

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>>382028508
Astro Turfing and shills.

The only argument you ever see here is "muh dev's" but the dev's get paid while working on the game, and the majority of the rest goes to the fucking publisher.


You never see anyone arguing against movie piracy by saying "muh directors, muh vfx artists, muh animators, muh costume designers" do you?

>>382028520
>some people don't understand how piracy affect sales
it's not that they don't understand, they deny it altogether

you're welcome to provide a citation faggot-kun

>>382024552
If a game is ancient, I don't see any problem with just pirating it even if it's still being sold. Chances are that nobody who worked on it will see any of that revenue anyway.

>>382028523
I can get a lot of things for free by stealing them but i pay to support the creators to make more of what I want

>>382026063

Is that supposed to be /mu/ on the left?

>>382028656
they aren't moralfags because they have no fundamental understanding of morality

they're ethicsfags, and shallow ones

>>382028773
No, you pay because there are laws in place to prevent you from stealing. Idiot.

>>382028773
No, you pay because if you get caught stealing you're in for a parade of ass rape in prison.
There is no such risk with video games, as they have no value and nobody gives a shit if you pirate them.
Get off your high horse and stop pretending you're paying because of some moral reason.

99% of videogames (and other media) I just don't give a fuck about. Why would I pay for something I can get for free? I don't give a shit about the devs, I don't give a shit about the sales, I don't even give a shit if videogames stop coming out tomorrow. There's enough to past me two lifetimes already. Is it entitlement? Absolutely, but I can't give a fuck less. I know it sounds edgy, but since this thread is about why people pirate, why sugarcoat it.

>>382028445
Exactly

>remove $60 from my wallet and get game
>download game for free and keep $60 for myself

The second option is the smarter choice in every way

>>382028868
Yes

>>382028520
>>382028738
Yeah Piracy actually improves sales

>>382028773
No, you're giving money to the companies that exploit the creators

How very moral

>>382026564
You can't expect good games in this time and age.

>>382028936
this man knows what's up

>>382028936
You're alright, you know your shit.

>>382028970
Strictly speaking in terms of your own personal finances, I agree. But it will affect the overall market.

>>382026063
>I AM SILLY!
Wow! This silly MSPaint comic sure convinced me to start pirating my games!
I already pirate most things, but seriously stop posting this shitty comic.

>>382028727
It's also bullshit because whether you personally pirate a game or not has basically no impact on whether a sequel or some other sort of follow-up is made (as if a sequel is inherently good, which we know isn't the case). For indie devs the fact that enough people know and care about their game to even have a pirated copy available is a good sign, it means they're generally going to roll in dough pretty soon and pirates talking about the game (if it's good, and if it's bad then it was better off being pirated) will get it even more attention. For AAA products, it's all about what normies want because the purchases of some neckbeards means jackshit if Joe Retard doesn't buy it.

The worst part is that if a game desperately needs your money then buying it day-1 and supporting it is a horrible value for you. You buy some game at $60, it flops and the next month it's half price or less.....how is that a good deal? The game still bombed, you're out $30 or more and if the game had been a success you still blew $60 on something you could've gotten for free that just made some kike executive a few more lines of coke.

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>>382024552
You can't stop me LOL FAG

>>382025770
>>382026539
If people could suddenly just magically make copies of real-life things, the entire system with which the world works under would have to immediately change to accommodate it.

Money would essentially become worthless, but it doesn't matter because they can just make things, put them on display, and whenever anyone wants something they can just go there and make some themselves.

It would make so many jobs pointless, but that's okay because now most people don't have to work anyway.

These kinda of analogies don't work when it would actually be the start of some kind of golden age for the human race.

what I'm gathering from most of the people defending piracy is that they all think they are more important than everyone else, am I right?

>>382024552
This is what I do, it is an easy guide to know if I need to pirate it or not:

1-Can I pirate it?
Yes: pirate it.
No: Pirate other games while I wait for the hackers to pirate it.

2-Play the pirated game.
Yes: ahoy matey.
No: ratg m8.

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>>382029403
well put my man, agree with what you added completely

>>382024552
Manchild toys are not worth paying for. I only drink or smoke when someone offers alcohol or cigarettes to me for free, same principle with video games. I'm not going to waste money on something detrimental to me.

>>382029640
Who could be more important in the world than me? Aside from maybe a lover or an animal companion, yes, I am more important than everybody else.

To an extent, it's justifiable as gleeping.
Taking the fruit left over after a farmers market, or off of the fields after the mass harvester had already collected what it could.

In a way, anti-piracy measures in games don't just serve as a direct way to deter piracy, but as a way to remind an average consumer that there is a stigma to bypassing the purchase of their game.

Bootlegging software and media is another matter altogether, but that's mostly a SEAPI issue.

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>>382029640
There are things more important than me but the vidya gaem industry is not one of them, especially since I haven't been their target market for decades.

>>382024552
I pretty much only pirate games I can't actually buy. Except for one or two roms of old gameboy games.

And roms of hacked games I guess, if that counts as pirating.

The only ones I pirate frequently are weird Japanese games that I can't buy in the U.S. and would need to apply a translation patch, and it's usually an 18+ game.

>>382024552
>does anyone who pirates think what they're doing is okay and right?
Yes, video game publishers like EA, Ubisoft or Nintendo need some serious downsizing so it's better to not give them money. I'm doing the video game industry a favor.

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Why would i pay for what is already mine?

>>382024552
My philosophy is that if the game is not available in HD, then the developers no longer support it, so it is free to port myself. I only emulate if I actually own the game and simply want to play it according to modern capabilities.

>>382030125
You already do that anon.

>>382029979
>>382030148
these are examples that I would agree with
Owning a game means you own it, so emulation and other things like it are okay in my book

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>>382030125

>>382030292
No, bad goy. Emulation hurts Nintendo's bottom line and you don't even own physical copies, just the privilege of using them.

>>382025770
except every downloaded copy does not equal a sold game

Piracy debates are retarded. People "pirated" ever since copyright existed. Obviously it didn't stifle anything.

>taping is killing music!
Meanwhile in 2017 everyone pirates music and there's the most genre diversity there ever was

>piracy kills videogames
Meanwhile you can get on Steam and buy a game about any hobby or topic. Could you buy Farming Simulator or a game about fiddlefucking with your car in a garage without ever riding it during NES era? Don't think so.

>>382026270
So duplicating shit is illegal now?


*Off yourself*!

>>382025350
Anyone who uses analogies like this is just a disingenuous retard. Your getting a product you would have had to pay for for no money, you are stealing. Own up to it you pathetic spineless faggot.

>>382030735
music and video games are hardly comparable. and the reason that there weren't as many games in the past is because 1:they were still new, so there weren't that many devs, and 2:technology is improving, making more things possible

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>>382030794
Why don't you off yourself, you economically illiterate waste of carbon?
Objects have monetary value because they are scarce and people want them. Information is not scarce, it costs nothing to reproduce. Paying for information, i.e. video games, is effectively charity.

>>382030794
>You wouldn't pirate bread

>>382030794
>Your getting a product you would have had to pay for for no money, you are stealing


But you see, that's where faggots like you are wrong. If I have to pay for it, I'm no longer interested in the product. I'll only become interested if it goes on sale, or gets cheaper. In this case free.

before piracy

>huh there's a new bread at this super market
>uhhh.... its 10 dollars
>no thanks

leave store


after piracy

>huh there's a new bread at this super market
>uhhh... its 10 dollars
>no thanks
>lemme just copy the bread
>hello free bread :)
>I just saved 10 dollars

leave store

>>382029396
but in this case anti-piratefags are silly
ridiculously so
The industry is incredibly stagnant, greedy, and corrupt, as all the innovators, entrepreneurs, and risk takers got bought out or left, replaced by people whose idea of risk taking is using stairs instead of an elevator, and it needs to die to purge it.
Developers don't get residuals so you're not supporting the dev unless they're selling it 1st party.
DRM itself doesn't work at all, and companies have admitted it, it's just to appease the suits who know nothing about modern technology, and in fact only hinders users.
etc.

>>382030794
But the seller can still make money since you're just making a copy. He can still sell the original.

>>382025770
That's why your argument sucks
>"But if"

>>382030996
Everything you just said applies to music and videogames both. Technology has enabled literally anyone to make music or games.

If I pirate the game it means that I wouldn't have bought it in the first place so it doesn't matter for the creator

Also nobody cares about your opinion or someone's else
I'm getting free shit and nobody can do shit about it

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>>382030794
>corporate cocksucking good goy having the temerity to call anyone else spineless
wew laddie

>>382031045
Video games aren't information, they are experiences. Mini Golf can be played over and over, but you pay each time because the people who made it put work into it. Even if you don't think it has value, others do, so it costs money

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Why is it that /v/ is the only board in all of 4chan that spergs out over piracy? It's like all the shit about neogaf and reddit being in here is really true. /v/ really is the worst board.

>dude pirating isn't stealing!
This is the same faggot that says
>dude traps aren't gay, the penis just makes it better!

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>>382031532
>Video games aren't information
but that's what they are
that's what everything on a computer is

information
nothing more
nothing less

>>382031617
Newfags, normalfags, corporate cocksuckers, and shills.

>>382031617
>>382028727

>>382031706
>Calling Data "Information"
I'm throwing up rn

>>382031532
Video games are bits on a computer, hence they are information, nothing more. It takes ZERO effort to replicate said information, and there's a total lack of scarcity, hence it's worthless.

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>this thread

>>382031532
>Video games aren't information, they are experiences
Encoded as strings of zeroes and ones. Information.
>you pay each time because the people who made it put work into it
No, you pay because the owner of the course controls access to it in order to recoup his costs and make money. There's scarcity. DRM is a (futile) attempt to induce scarcity.
>Even if you don't think it has value, others do
Of course video games have value. They don't have monetary value because they're infinitely reproducible.

>>382031617
Jews.

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>>382031814
the etymological origin of the word data is the latin datum, literally a piece of information
not sure what you meant by this

>>382024552
copyright is out of control, therefore it can be morally ignored

>>382024552
I really dont have any excess money and when I do I usually have to spend it right away.
Games are a coping mechanism of mine so if I want a new game I just pirate it but that doesnt stop me from buying games when they are on sale.
Now these are my personal circumstances so I dont know about anyone else but I have no trouble sleeping at night

>>382031954
>but muh latin
Grasping for straws and moving the goalpost you faggot

>>382024552
For me it's mostly because I'm poor and can't really afford to buy a lot of games, I'll usually try to buy it afterward if I get some money. Also if a game looks interesting but I don't like the way the company is run I can play it without giving them the purchase.

>>382031858
food is a necessity to live. vidya aren't.

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>>382024552
>80 (EIGHTY) dollars plus tax investment, with no demo
I'll stick with pirating whatever I feel like. If you have an ethical obligation to buy it because you want to hold the highground, prepare to be swindled in life like the Grade A sucker you are.

>>382032104
If you don't like the company then boycott it. if you like the game they make, then pay for it

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>>382031996
Pretty much.
I wonder what's going through drones' minds when they unironically defend the right of an entity completely separate from the people who created a work to control it. Especially when said work is decades old.

>>382032085
Data is a synonym of information.
What goal post am I moving?
Scarcity is the main determinate of value, nothing digital can be scarce due to the fact that methods used to induce artificial scarcity in an actual economy such as complete control of supply (diamonds) works in digital form.
There is no reason to pay anything for digital goods.

>>382032290
>>382032174
Hey anon what are your favorite games?

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>>382032414
>There is no reason to pay anything for digital goods.
Unless you support the developer enough to feel that they deserve your money. But even then it's really just a donation, not a purchase.

>>382032428
I'll take the bait.
I'm a nintendo guy, i play pokemon and zelda a mario. own a ps2, xbox 360, wii, wii u, ds, 3ds, and switch and played all of the game that interested me.(hint, very small amount weren't nintendo)

>>382024552
>but games that just launched like Breath of the Wild took a long time to develop, most people can easily get 100 hours in the game, but so many people pirate it.
well I'm glad because the game is fucking ass

>>382032590
That excuse only works for very small non-corporate first party publishers.
Developers do not get residuals and you are not supporting them by buying their games.
At all.

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>>382032674
Well, that ruins my opportunity to grab a bunch of magnet links and make an ebin screencap of me pirating your favorite games.
I do have the No-Intro sets for all consoles up until the DS though.

>>382032414
>In this moment, I am euphoric, not because of some phony economist's blessing, but because I am enlightened by my own objectivist intelligence.
>*shoplifts*
>*plays vidya alone*

>>382032772
Correct. It's an edge case.

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>>382032906
That's not even objectivism you blithering retard. (((Rand))) would probably have a conniption over piracy.

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There's no reason, I just don't give a fuck. That's also works for movies, music, software, and literally anything that can be downloaded. I just don't care.

Call me anything you like, you will not convince no one to do anything by trying to shame him in a anonymous imageboard. Moral is for sheeps.

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>>382024552
Nigger, I don't give a single fuck lmao. Go ahead and waste your money on shit that I get for free. I love that there are still dumb fucks like you around who buy games and make my piracy possible :^)

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>can anyone actually defend pirating
>defend pirating

>>382026767
>i'd do this if there was no penalty
wouldn't we all?

>>382033250
I'm giving examples of when it is okay. I mean defending the times i specified like new games

>>382030512
Let it hurt them! I want to see that Japanese company suffer!.

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>>382024552
it's free shit bro

>>382024552
You need people like me

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>>382033230
>having disposable income and buying things you enjoy makes you a faggot and a dumb fuck
How's the 8th grade going anon?

>>382033583
>spending money when you can get the product and save money to use towards things you cant pirate instead

How's nursery school?

>>382024552
It's easy and saves money

>>382033857
If you don't have the money to buy video games you should invest your time in something more productive.

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>>382033250
>implying i didn't bought psp and 3ds just so i can pirate games on it
suck it moralfag

>>382024552
Implying I have to defend my self

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>>382034201
So I should only do things that cost money?

Hmm...

>>382034201
I have money and I pirate games, by pirating games I have even more money, u mad poorfag?

>>382034421
Yes goy

>>382034442
Not mad, just sad that so many people need to boast how superior they feel because they pirate games.

>>382024552

I pirated Breath of the Wild because consumer-hating Nintendo of America/Europe didn't include dual audio.

They eventually patched it in, so I'll probably buy it on Switch now once I get one of those.

>>382034258
I swear every second person on /v/ have some reading comprehension problem.

I just pirated Ever Oasis, so I can play it rite now, good luck going to the store and paying to have fun while I'm already having fun for free, boi.

Physical copies production pollutes the planet and destroys forests.
I just pirate games to help save the planet.

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>people justifying piracy because they are covering up the fact that they are poor fags.

I see through your ruse.

>>382024887
>Food comparison

>>382024552
This is the way I look at it they don't care about the 25+ demographic so fuck them. I do buy games for system/handheld intil they are hacked but for pc I pirate everything unless it has online or its a sonic game.

I pirate things I don't feel are worth the asking price. I'm not paying 60 bucks for an 8 hour single player only game with no replay value. I pretty much only buy online games now, since you pretty much have to.

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brb, pirating an apple.

>>382024552
GFWL and UWP

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>>382026063

how often do you pay for the porn you watch

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>>382030332
Go to bed Marx

But seriously, that's an awful critque of Stirner

>>382024552
>why should you get it just because you want it?
Because I can with no repercussion

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>he doesnt pirate games so he can use multiple copies for a lan party

>he's not paying for the pleasure of reading my post

STOP READING MY POSTS FOR FREE AND PAY ME YOU IMMORAL FUCK

>>382033583
Meanwhile I spend that disposable income on literally anything else. Fuck off to the summer sale thread.

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>>382030332
>Ayn Rand

>>382033583
If you need to work a job to survive you have no disposable income, you're just a glorified serf. Should be using any spare money you have to invest to escape wagecuckery tbqh

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>>382030996
And piracy is increasing so that means
Both video games and piracy are increasing in terms of complication accessibility and ease of use. So piracy hurting the industry is dumb beyond measure

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>>382035771
There's a weird mindset a lot of people have when they see food growing outside. For some reason they just assume it's not theft to take it.

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>>382036862

"...vulgar are the means of livelihood of all hired workmen whom we pay for mere manual labor, not for artistic skill; for in their case the very wage they receive is a pledge of their slavery."

-Cicero

"whoever gives his labor for money sells himself and puts himself in the rank of slaves."
~ Cicero

How is it that this topic is always guaranteed replies? And it's always the same replies every time. What compels people to make the same threads, the same replies, the same comments over and over?

>>382024552
Absence of demo

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>>382037931
Need for attention

>Game came out decades ago
>No digital version for purchase
>Any money spent would only go into the pocket of someone who bought the game back then
>Maybe the game company even went out of business so you can't even mail them cash or shit if you wanted to support them
Yes, let me get into my time machine here.

>>382026763
>its stealing a sale from the company
do humanity a favor and kill yourself retard

>>382027546
you don't need anything to justify something that has nothing morally wrong and doesn't hurt anyone
fag

>>382027840
your opinion is objectively shit
kys fagget

>>382032842
ROMHACKS.

>>382032290
lol no
loved doom, played it a lot, still won't buy it because it had denuvo, no remorse about pirating.
world would be a better place if more ppl reasoned this way.

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we truly are being invaded by reddit
fuck this place

>>382039416
What about them? I keep them in a separate folder.

>>382032674
welp, shit taste, as expected

>>382025350
You would still need to pay for the service. If all that mattered were raw materials then why aren't you making your own bread?

why do I need to justify myself to commit piracy?

If you want me to buy games introduce regional pricing.
$60 is the most I'm paying for a game, i don't give a fuck if the Canadian dollar ks weak. I don't get a raise to compensate you greedy fucks, your saving tonnes of money on your Canadian studios AAA studios, pass that savings on to us.
Also fuck day one dlc and season passes. When I say will pay at most $60 for the game, I mean it literally not +$40 for bullshit.

I also acknowledge this doesn't make piracy justifiable or make me entitled to the game. I just don't give a fuck. I'm in the wrong AAA publisherd are not. But in the real world I care more about me and my beer money.

>>382024552
Copying something isn't stealing it though.

My justification before was that I had no money.
I only play games from small developers so I feel really bad for having done that for years. I have stopped pirating all software since.

Btw, gimping the Wii U version of BoW to sell the Switch is a low blow. Not saying it justifies piracy, but they really ought to have more integrity. If Nintendo weren't the ones behind Pokemon I would not want to give them money, as is my policy with virtually all big name western developers. I just don't play their games out of principle.

>>382032772
>>382028727

But they get paid indirectly so yes it does still matter.
>Publisher gets no sales
>Publisher gets rid of developers


>>382026040

>He believes in the industry crash meme

>>382027982
Your utopia isn't really going to happen sadly.

>>382025770
If the bread company is shit but that bread is the only bread you can get why would you support it? This essentially is saying, I would gladly buy bread if it was cheap and easy to come buy or taste good but you're bread is not that, although I do need some bread right now. I will not pay for your bread because I want to send a message.

It is also impossible to get caught for stealing so your options would be
>$0.00 bread -taste like shit
>$80.00 bread -taste like shit
what would you choose.

>>382024552

Pirating used to be done for the sake of independent upstarts utilizing $2000-10000 design software or text documents. The history of piracy is wide and long. Now, piracy is entirely justifiable since game sizes and the way AAA games are made today heavily discourages demos.

Also, I am not paying $80 for a game when it's 6-8 hours long, buggy as fuck, and a rehash. We're going through the eearly 1980's video game crash except two generations of brainwashing has rabid children and teenagers scooping up shit and calling it gold. See: GTA V, Fallout 4, Mass Effect Andromeda

>>382024552
>/v/ doesn't pirate or do drugs
that faggot quentin really fucked your brains up

If the game is no longer sold in stores or available to purchase directly from first-party online, it's fine to emulate. The devs aren't getting money at that point.

If you're taking away potential sales from devs, you shouldn't do it. Support the devs you like and get more games in the future.

>>382024552
I'm not buying a whole console for ONE game. If BotW is emulated well, I will pirate it. It's economically idiotic to buy the console.

>>382024552
im a poorfag with low income living in a shit GDP country and steam has not adjusted for this like it has for developing countries, so yes, i'll gladly pirate and fuck you

>>382024552
>can anyone actually defend pirating?
do I need to?