What are your red flags /v/?

Open world

Open world, crafting, early access

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>this video game will tackle real life sociopolitical issues in a bad ass way

Gay protag + Indie + Kickstarted

>>381996887
Niggers.

>>381996887
Early Acess

>>381996924
this shit

i am fucking done with open world.

Recommended by /v/

>>381996887
Indie

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Indie is the only genre I avoid like the fucking plague.

>>381996887
dlc (pre-order blackmailing, amiibo shit, collectors edition garbage, etc.)
early access
DRM

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>>381997231
What's so wrong with indie?

>Main character is an indistinguishable ethnicity that is obviously not white
>It's never brought up
>Hair is not solid colored
>Hair looks weird
>All conversation about it has nothing to do with gameplay

>>381996887
kickstarter backed early access walking simulator survival crafting

a red flag

Western

Visceral
Immersive
Cinematic
Experience

>>381997231
Indie isn't even a genre

early access

>>381997291
It's associated with Art Institute graduates and people with brightly colored haired. Nothing inherently wrong with independently produced and published products.

>>381996887
MMO,self generate challenges,world,missions,"We game would be best thing ever" aka cocky dev.

English audio only

'We're hoping to reach a wider audience"

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>>381996887
BETTER DEAD THAN RED

Any semblance to academia politics/cultural changes within the last 10 years

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/v/ likes it.

>>381996887
The biggest red flag are melee games where you can move while attacking and there's no hitstop.
When you play Chivalry, M&B, Skyrim, Dark Messiah, etc... You know you're in for a "superior PC melee game", aka a slippery piece of shit with terrible combat.

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#1 Early Access
#2 Survival
#3 Open World
#4 Roguelite

Now find me a PC game from the past 3 years that doesn't have at least one of those tags.

>>381996887
If /v/ likes it

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>>381996887
>devs are shitlibs on social media
>"inspired by Earthbound"
>faux 8bit graphics

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>>381996887
Is this enough

"retro art style" graphics aka rpgmaker tier trash

>>381997947
RPG maker art makes me want to vomit out of my eyes.

HOWEVER

If it's personally handmade 8-16 bit art, then it's generally acceptable, so long as it's consistent. IE not like Undertale's complete and total insanity regarding 8/16/32 bit art.

>>381998026
>Undertale's complete and total insanity regarding 8/16/32 bit art.

Wat.

>>381997843
wtf i hate jews now

>>381998092
Frisk/Toriel/Asgore are 16 bit
Tertiary Overworld sprties such as the various NPCs, items on the ground and such, are 8 Bit.
Battle sprites are 32 bit

>>381997767
The music was almost good.

>>381996887

steam summer sale discount on the base game, DLCs add-ons costs more than the actual game.

feels like im paying money for a trial demo

>>381997572
I now an Early Access Roguelite that ended up being awesome.

Desktop Dungeons.

>game has pixelated sprites
>they can be off the grid, be angled, and be scaled at decimals

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>>381997767
All of this.

>early access
>pixel "art"
>survival+crafting
>procedural generation
>free to play
One of these red flags is enough to give me a bad opinion of the game but I try to keep an open mind, I could name a game that I liked for each of these Subnautica, Risk of Rain, the Forest, Minecraft, Dirty Bomb

>>381998179
>Battle sprites are 32 bit

How's so? They look like 8bit pixel shit to me.

>>381996887
I don't use red flags.

Here is how to never get burned:

>don't preorder
>don't even look at marketing for games
>ignore any interviews
>ignore all events
>don't read reviews or even go to game based websites (Except /v/ and just ignore threads about new games)

If a game does somehow take your fancy then wait at least a year before considering buying it. If it's a multiplayer focused game, it is likely dead otherwise if it got decent updates and such you can put it on your buy it soon (soon in valve time). When the game is in a humble bundle, steam sale or any other massive discount sale you can consider buying it although best to wait for the second or third sale (Which may include all the DLC).

>survival
>crafting
>early access

>>381996887
Someone talking about 4chan on in game

>>381997571
this.
>FPS derived melee games where you figure skate towards your opponent at 70mph twirling your sword about with terrible animations and hit feedback.


Also, arpgs games where you have to level your basic shit just to be effective.

>>381997572
Pro Evolution Soccer.

Anime, japanese, indie, moba, early access, exclusive.

It's not just red flags, it triggers me.

>>381996887
Anything that is blatantly trendy, modern, hipster shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpFXydY1K8k

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>>381996887
>Procedurally generated
>retro
>pixel
>indie

How to make me not buy your game in 5 words

Western developer

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Anything that strongly advertises being similar to an already existing good game.
>it's souls-like!
>it's like Persona!
Instantly tells you that you aren't getting anything that stands on it's own merit, you're just playing a shitty knockoff.

>>381997291
Indie is meant to be short for independant which means it is developed and published by the same company. But in reality, that's not what the word actually means. Blizzard is independant, but no one would call Overwatch or WoW indie games (even tough they technically are). Then, there are "indie" games that ARE published by another company, and they even call themselves "indie publishers", which is retarded because the moment they publish them those games are no longer independant.
So what people really mean by "indie" is low-budget, low-effort shitty games, and those devs label themselves themselves as to say "Please forgive the low quality of my product for I am just a poor lone man. Please do not compare my game to other products for I am merely an indie dev".
There is nothing wrong with "independant" games, even those made by a single person or very small team, as long as the quality exists. But the label of indie is associated with low quality. Small devs may not be able to have the best graphics, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't have decent ones. They may not be able to compete with larger devs on production value, but they can compete in ideas and novelty. Making a shitty clone of a 90s game- that's worse than the actual game you're copying- is not making a good game.
Any aspiring independant dev should avoid labeling themselves as indie. If you are making an RPG, don't call it an indie RPG. Call it an RPG.

>>381997571
I hate that shit so much. Thankyou for articulating it for me

>>381996887
popular

>>381996887
Pixel art. Why is this a thing?

>>381997571
this, Chivalry is hot garbage. I really fucking hope Mordhau turns out good.

I don't like how it plays. Pirating is a thing you know.

>>381996887
>Console
>Souls Like
>Early Access
>Female dev
>Fe(male) dev

>>381998543
I think this is only a little okay if you truly can't place a genre on it, but that right there is already like 5 more red flags on it's own.

>>381996887
>Jump feels like complete crap

Any game where you can jump and it feels bad is an instant instant red flag

>>381996887
>early access
>EA
>Ubishit
>openworld-survival-crafting

>>381996924
>>381997010


open world is not a problem
the problem is that people don't know how to fill it and make it interesting

today everyone thinks giant massive ass empty map=good game(e.g. GTA V)
Instead of doing it like in GTA san andreas

>>381998568
Basically it's like this:
These games takes concepts like spacing and commitment, discard them, and replace them with shittier new fundamentals, like mainly shimmying in and out of range, which gives the game a slippery quality.
No hitstop just makes it worse, as hits lack weight.
Some of the games don't even have hit-stun... So there's no feedback whatsoever.

>>381996887
smoking, drinking, tattoos, piercing, unable to cook, fat, non-virgin, atheist.

>>381998707
If it has no hitstop and you can move while attacking, it's just going to feel like a Chiv mod.

Zombies
Early access
Crafting
David Cage
Kickstarted
Bethesda
Game: Origins/Revelations

CAST OFF THE CRUTCH THAT KILLS THE PAIN

>>381998265
Good taste

>>381999341
>Picky anon.
>Getting a beautiful virgin.
I hope you reconsiled being alone forever, anon.

>>381998557
Fucking this, holy shit.

If you want to be considered cool by all the elitists, not the cultural academic fags or the 'my feelings' retards. Do this, do everything this anon says.

>>381997294
>>All conversation about it has nothing to do with gameplay
so just about every weeb game?

survival
crafting
early access
anime

>>381997465
This is something I always warn people about.
>but anon, just because the fanbase is cancer and the game is now popular among chumps doesn't mean the series will start sucking!
Yes instead, 99% chance that it will, because they'll pull the "newcomer-friendly title" trick and casualize the series in every aspect.
Dead Rising ;-;

>>381999347
it's supposed to be at least somewhat realistic. in real swordfighting you're supposed to move while attacking.

>multiplayer, roguelike , early access, crafting, female protagonist, e-sports, sandbox

Japanese
weebshit
Anime
Waifubait
Overtly political
Platformers Like seriously how can a grown man play something that's essentially mario ?
Manchild shit like Nintendo games. How can you play the same colorful, childish game that you played as a kid?

>>382000885
>How can you play the same colorful, childish game that you played as a kid?

Probably 'cause they're not the same?

>>381997045
Fuck off brainlet

>>381996887
gearbox
ubisoft
ea
dmca takedowns
dlc
season passes
free2play
microtransactions
telltale
valve
denuvo
trojan.gen
starforce
sony

>>382000014
Good god, Dead Rising 4 is pretty terrible. Didn't even realize it had come out till I saw a thread the other day about games released that no one notices or cares about. Bought the game right after that.

I gotta warn those who loved* the franchise, don't play it... just don't.

QTE's and cutscenes longer than 10 seconds

>>382000957
>It's 3D platformer, not 2D!'

It's the same nostalgia riddled shit for manchildren.

>>382000342
You certainly can't apply full power to a thrust or stroke while walking.
Anyways, as a combat simulator, I guess I see the appeal. As a good video game, it has little appeal

>>381996887
>bioware

not touching that with a 50 foot pole

>>381998461
>Moving while sword swinging is bad
Agreed but what if they added a move forward while swinging as if the character is leaning into it, and if they dodge you fall over

If the character is a woman/minority for no reason other than the sake of being a woman/minority.

>>381999196
Why was sa so good?

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>>381996887
Why, the red flag of FALGSC, comrade.

>>382001710
Works fine, as long as you can't steer the move too much. They have a word for this in fightan, it's a self-projectile.

bethesda
bioware
amd
cinematic experience
gearbox
female protaganist

>>381996887
procedurally generated,open world,crafting,survival,streamlined

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>>381996887
1) Only generic classes available: warrior, mage, rogue, cleric. 0/10 effort given to the class system.
2) When a game allows legit savescumming.
3) Being able to change difficulty on the go.
4) Moeshit/Waifushit/Titty monsters

Any game whose selling point is the story. You can be assured of endless cutscenes, info dumping from NPCs and the most boring gameplay around

Bethesda

>diversity
>crafting system

Bioware, DRM, mobile shit

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>>381996887
>"Innovative"

Targeting a western audience

>Open world
>Crafting
>Survival
>Refers to playable characters as 'heroes'
Fortnite is the pinnacle of red flags because of the above (or most of the above)

Also
>Inspired by 'GAME'
>"We're taking the series back to its roots, while at the same time keeping it fresh for newcomers"
>Early access
>Crowd funded

>>381996887
Survival
Crafting
Horror
Early Acces
Multiplayer-only
Timed exclusive
DRM
Fucktons of DLC
Cinematic
Capped framerate
EA and Ubisoft

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>characters with multiple breast sizes

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>>381996887
>Developed by PlatinumGames

>>382004642
A and B are the best choices here.

>>382004816
anon you do realize they're categorized by cup size, not by ABC selections..

fun

Anything less than 3 months old. Everything these days is released far too early and then 'fixed' into a playable state, to make it worse you pay extra for the privilege due to new releases always being full price. Wait three months, pick up a cheap and fixed game with an established player base.
Also anything where the season pass is heavily advertised prior to launch just tells you they are holding back half the content to gouge money, wait and buy the gold edition.

>>382004902
Yes, I'm just saying A and B are the best choices here.

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>/v/irgin tries to shill a game
>Praises everything except the gameplay

>>381996887
>This game was made by a multiethnic team comprised of many different religions

AC2 was the only exception. And brotherhood I guess

Open world, crafting, survival ,early access

>>381998557
Never before have I agreed with a post so much as this one. Just because your game is made with less money than others doesn't give you the right to cut corners and make it even more low quality than it should've been.

>>381996887
online multiplayer focus
diablo clone
claims to be a horror game but the most most common enemy is just a zombie with a flavor gimmick

>>381996887
open world
rpg / role-playing

>>381996887
early access
zombies
moba
mmo survival
top down twin stick
retro or 8-bit, 16-bit, whatever-bit (feels like 99% get it wrong)
fanservice
free to play or freemium
single player always on

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>banham lite combat that revolves around flashy canned animations rather than having actual depth
>overuse of QTEs
>overuse of walking simulator segments that slow the game to a crawl
>mechanic that lets you enemies through walls that's not restricted in any way
>cluttered UI
>spoonfeeding the player information rather than making them explore and think for themselves
>climbing towers and taking out outposts
>randomised diablo loot system

I know I pretty much described every Ubisoft game for the last 5 years, why do devs think that all consumers want repetitive, watered down garbage that babies players doesn't let them think for themselves?

I've been playing Farcry 3 lately and a few small mods that clean up the UI and withhold information from the player make the game so much more fun.

Any game that focuses more on story than gameplay, look if I wanted to read a book or watch a movie I would, I don't play video games to be bombarded with hours of people talking and I'm not playing or doing anything during it. At least, the cutscene shouldn't last more than a half hour unless its the ending.

>>381998338
Pretty much this. Never pay attention to marketing of any kind unless you want to be manipulated and lied to. Why anyone watches game shows, award shows and trailers is beyond me. Also not caring about these things means I can play more games instead of getting "hyped up" for the next ubijew release.

"Competitive" multiplayer is a huge red flag for me though, there is no faster way for me to completely lose interest in a game than that.
Also any and all moba-style gameplay and randomized drop systems that conveniently can also be paid for like lootboxes are huge turnoffs.
Crafting focus and survival elements too, but not quite as heavily.

>>381998526
This desu

Can't even remember the time I last played a western produced game, let alone a good one

>>381996887
>over x awards at e3
>best game e3

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>>381996887
>Publisher/Developer: Hi-Rez Entertainment

Basically AAA open world games that are supposed to look "amazing" graphically.

It's all the same shit lately. All style and no substance...but they don't even have style.

>>381996887
Op making stoopid threads. I whip out my sage and shake it all around.

>>382006336
>Crafting focus and survival elements too, but not quite as heavily.

I've always like the concept of crafting and survival elements, but the games that feature them often have pretty bland core gameplay.

Also they tend to be multiplayer focused which for me is a deal breaker since I'd prefer those kind of mechanics in an immersive single player game. I think Subnautica is the only "crafting and survival" game to get it right, but even then that game's still and early access work in progress.

>protag enjoys sportive alpha dick
dropped

western devs (automatically sjw), politics, cinematic experience, VR

>>381996887
there aren't any.

>>382007108
>western devs (automatically sjw)
>citation needed

>>382007172
Thought we were starting a lyric chain and ruined the joke
Beleting

>>382006780
Amazes me how graphically lovely HZD is, yet everything I read, watch or hear described to me about the game sounds fucking atrocious. Happens so often now. When new games get announced your mind automatically zeros in on the negatives. Doesn't help that so many AAA publishers and developers just have straight ass reputations in certain circles (or at the very least, the places I can tolerate frequenting)

>>381996887

> Female main character.
> Medieval game with women in armour.
> Niggers.
> Procedural generation.
> Open world.

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>>381998309
>procedural generation
this so much, fucking hell
I have only heard of dwarf fort doing this correctly

>>382007108
Not everyone is like that, you even have the mirror opposite of that in some cases.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXeQJnbc9bA
google the developer

>>382007776
>lorn
that good choice alone is worth a try

>>382006948
this

>>382007959
Yeah, that surprised the shit out of me as well. Love that dudes live sets.

>>382004472
You can thank MOBAs and Overwatch for popularizing all that "hero" crap.

Also Fortnite was announced way back in 2011 and its upcoming release is Early Access only. If the long dev time, shoe-horned "heroes", and early access crap isn't a red flag I don't know what is

>>382008227
heard it was in development hell, that's reason enough most of the time for me to avoid something, but adding early access on top of that? Homies must not want me to investigate whatsoever.

>>381998314
toriel and papyrus battles are rather clean and not animated much, after them it's like toby learned how to use trigonometry in gamemaker and started making fancy ass idle animations for the bosses with multiple animated parts

>>382008227
>>382008351
Apparently when Cliffy B announced the game in 2011 it was literally an idea they came up with a few days prior and only had a logo for.

Also i think you're missing the even bigger picture
>Open world
>Survival
>Crafting
>Early access
>Long dev time
>Free-to-play
>attempts to push classes as heroes like a moba

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>>381996887
>Procedurally generated
>Twitch streamer fad
>A ton of awards from organizations I've never heard of that "Celebrate Independent Game Creation"
>"experimentally fun"
>narrative """"""""""""""game""""""""""""""

>>382008626
how long does it take to make games like that?
20 years?

>made by asians

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>default/purchased RPG Maker assets
>classes, spells, and enemies pulled straight from Final Fantasy
>custom characters made from the built in character creator

Character creation or a silent protagonist in any game where the story is more than an excuse or afterthought.
It doesn't automatically kill a game, especially if it's something like MH where gameplay is undisputed king, but proceed with caution.

>Wider audience

Open world
Crafting
Early access
Kikestarter
Social media integration
"Spiritual Successor"
EA
Bioware

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>>381996887
>Early Access, especially with ambitious promises
>Memes
>Prominent anime girls, especially loli
>Visual Novel, Nudity
>Open World
>Kickstarter
>LGBT/Black/Don't need no white man devs/protagonists
>Social media interactivity

>>381996887
>From Software

Western devs

>game is on kickstarter or some other crowd funded site (red flag, but there have been exceptions to this that impressed me)
>game has a unusually high amount of money for a game (this is my real red flag)


If there's anything I've learned, most game devs can't manage money for shit. Star Citizen has me very cautious because they have a absurd amount of money with very little tos how for it.

>>381996924
>>381997010
Open world, Procedurally generated, Early access, Zombies, Crafting, Base building, Exploration.

I fucking love anything that combines "Base building" and "Exploration" since those two are polar opposites. One involves staying in one location, one involves constantly changing location.

>>381997109
Tokyo Dark is going to be amazing.

Shemale Protagonist

>>381997010
>tfw have dumped hundreds of hours in Space Engineers and Factorio

>>381996887
fan service

>>382005297

That's always felt like more of a disclaimer than anything.

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>tfw black
>tfw developer says the game with focus on diversity and inclusion instead of gameplay.

I've mainly been seeing this with indie games but still...

Bonus points if its some xe/xym/xir independant white womyn who they define as "badass"

>>382001163
Was it just making it easier all around the table or did they fuck something else up?

>tats
>chubby
>glasses
>huge standars for what's a 3-4/10 at best
I fucking hate this combination

>>382013471

I wonder if indie devs think the xir and poc audience is some untapped market that everyone ignored and they're gonna strike rich off it.

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>>381996887
Triple A
Western studios I'm not a weeb though
Open World
Early Access
Crafting
Cinematic gameplay
Cover-based third person shooting
"""""stealth"""""

>>381996887
Fucking pixel graphics. Done to death, and the excuse of 'indie budget' is kinda null now because of Night In The Woods (say what you want about gameplay or story, but the art department was not lacking) or Kentucky Route Zero showing that a tight budget can still be beautiful and non-pixelated

>>382013889

?

but it is

calm down anon, no one is insulting you

>>381996887
lock-/lootboxes

>>382014052
Ok I calmed down now and I think I misread your post. You meant SOME indie-devs have the false asumption that there are many xe\xir etc. individuals who want games for their believes.
I read it as you said there IS a demand for that.

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>>382013758
>I'm not a weeb though

>Western studios are a red flag
>Every other red flags are traditionally found in western games
>Anime pic

>>382014592
It's almost like there's a trend of western games being fucking garbage lately

>>382014518

Not the guy you're replying to but I do want to say, I suppose you could say there is a demand.. only that I wouldn't think this demand is actually anything you could run much of a profit off of.

Voxels

Survival sandboxes

Streamer bait

>>381996887
>Season Pass
>Hunger system
>eSports
>Game with first person perspective, FOV narrower than 90°
>Turn-Based
>"Retro Graphics"
>"Procedurally Generated" anything other than 2D maps
>MMO
>Class Based Shooter that tries to mimic the garbage modern MMO Class "Trinity"
>Dialogue Wheels and "Every Line is Voice Acted"

>>382013471
I think it's hilarious when they say they want to make a diverse game for POC and then proceed to not make a fight game. Well shit, what the fuck was the point in the first place? I don't want play that white milk suburb shit.

>>382013490
They fucked everything up.

third person shooter

>>382004472
God your second also fucking kills me. The new god of war looks like fucking ryze son of rome and people are just okay with it.

The only tag I'm filtering out without exceptions is Early Access.

>>381996887
low budget, no effort indie games to push agendas
non-free early access

>>381996887

Realistic and denuvo. That's it. I have a hard time disliking a game without playing it at all. Usually playing it gives me more reason to hate it, or like it depending on the game.

>>381997231
Good goy

>>381996887
published or developped by nexon or EA

>>381996887
Nigger MC, early acess, open world, innovative, tumblr art, indieshit, progressive, Devs from europe(Except poland) and anything designed to pamder tumblr in general.

Early access, edgy developer.

>>381996887
Indie.

season pass
game content to be added up by dlc which is becoming fucking normalized
sjw pandering (i dont mind pandering even to shit like bronies or furries since its just capitalist principle but sjw dont even buy games and they will find a way to criticize it nonetheless)
censorship

>>381996887
Mysterious girl shown in trailer.
Female childhood friend.
The cover is nothing but waifu garbage or they are a majority with a couple of guys pushed way into the back or sides.

The last one especially tells me it'll be a game I won't be able to take seriously or even get any fun out of and is not worth buying.

Games where you have to grind to randomly unlock shit through boxes or some other bullshit.

So treasure battles in Tekken 7 and Overwatch

>>381996887
Not being indie

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>>381996887
>It's a Western game

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Everybody has already said open world, crafting, early access but none of you have mentioned the ULTIMATE red flag
>people only talk about one or two female characters in the game and discuss literally nothing else about it
Clear sign that the game has shit gameplay and story and is only liked by the eternal scourge that is the waifufag

>>381996887
Console game made by American developers, except if it's published by Nintendo

>>382021857
Look for Toronto, Los Angeles, Texas, Seattle, Portland, Raleigh.

literally all you need to know to avoid shitty game, look at the point of origin.

>>381996887
multiplayer only

>roguelike/roguelite

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>anime tag
>western developer

>game is made by american devs
>UBISOFT

there has been 0 good western games for the past 2 years.

eu and eastern devs are the saving grace of the fucking industry

To all that don't like either
>Indie games
>Kickstarted games
>Rpgs
>Inspired by Earthbound
You seriously need to play LISA the painful.

>>382006279
I fucking hate how true this is. Here you have an entire entertainment form defined entirely by interactivity, and nearly every story told with it is just a bad movie with gameplay sections thrown in between the scenes. Imagine if every movie ever made was just a man sitting in a dark room alone reading you a book. But it was never anything better than the garbage you find on the bargain shelf in your average Chapters. People wouldn't consider movies to be a very good storytelling medium.

To all the people shitting on indie, I must remind that, while you are correct, doesn't mean there aren't good exceptions

>one finger dead punch
>breath of dead VII
>touhou
>painkiller was technically indie when it was the only game made by people can fly
Etc

The bullshit starts when they use the indie meme to try to sell you the games for more money than they are worth

>Inspired by Earthbound

I just don't get it. I like the Mother series, I think they're good games. Yet every game that says this is just awful.

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>"Roguelike"
>It's not even turn based

>"Retro style"
>It's just pixelated without any sense of aesthetics or using actual color palettes
>Rotating pixels

>Procedurally generated
>Open world
>Early access
>Survival Horror
>Multiplayer
>Meme tag
>Wacky physics game with no actual content

I think it's fair to say I dislike about 95% of all video games.

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>nudity/lewd
>western developer

>>382024742
Only 5% of games aren't trash, so I'm.with you

Any game where the focus seems to be more on visuals and story rather than actual gameplay.

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>it's a dark souls clone