>he bought a ryzen for gaming

im going to, yes

It's excellent for gaming also

Ryzen unleashed all the AMD shills

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>he bought a ryzen

>>381989659
>want to use trump card
>can't because i haven't given any time/thought/consideration as to how i'd implement it

>>381989659
No, I'll buy threadripper for gaming.
I'm not even kidding.

If all you ever do is game that money is wasted. Also, the lower clocks will probably mean worse gaming performance.

>>381989659
ATTENTION

DO NOT FORGET TO REPORT THIS POST AND ALL POSTS LIKE IT. /v/ IS FOR VIDEO GAMES AND THE DISCUSSION OF VIDEO GAMES, NOT FOR BARELY RELATED TECHNOLOGY.

>>381990075
Depends on the game though.
I'll agree that if all your games are older and or single thread heavy (lots of MMOs, shitstrike, overlol, MOBAs, etc) then buy a cheap Intel, otherwise get Ryzen.

>>381990096
/g/ is for watch threads now.

>>381989659
Yes I'm replacing my 2500k for a 1600

Intel can go fuck themselves with their 2% perf increases each year. Had to wait 6 years for ryzen to get an upgrade from a 2500k at the same price I bought it for, 6600/7600 is basically the same with a 20%ipc boost

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>>381990169
>Depends on the game though.
Yea. I heard fallout 4 uses at least 3 cores. And everyone is a content creator nowadays haha *cough* MAC *cough* and don't forget about windows excel.

>>381989659
>he doesn't want better frametimes

>>381989659
>he bought an i7 for gaming
>he overpaid for something he will never fucking use in his life
>not just getting a good i5 chip and being happy
you fucking gaymers will buy anything that you're told you need, and yet you have no idea why or what it does. Have fun overpaying for shit you'll never use, though! I'm sure intel appreciates you being a stupid consumer

R5 1600 and 8gb 480 has no problems with anything I've tried it on so far. Max temp has only been around 50-60 for cpu and 75 for gpu under serious load.

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>>381990316
Fox and the grapes. You don't have to justify your purchase to me anon. I mean in 2 year this new stuff will be replace.

>>381989659
Reminder ryzen has better minimum 0.1% and 1% frames

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>>381989659
This is the ultimate bang for your buck and all the average gamer requires.

>>381990449
i5 is pretty much obsolete when r5 exist

>>381990365
My 4690k 4.4 hits 90-100% usage on the regular at 1080p 120hz with a 1060.

Sone games I have to cap to 60 frames to stop stutter I. E. Battlefield

Anyone who buys a quad core right now is retarded, they have been reused over and over by Intel since they had no competition. Now they have competition and mainstream i5s will be 6 core in August.

If you waited 7 years and don't have a quad core it's worth waiting another two months because the cpu market is finally changing after almost a decade

Ryzens logo looks like the contra logo. More like gryzen

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>>381990449
More foxes.

>>381990449
>you fucking gaymers will buy anything that you're told you need
???

Every single source I've seen is "i5 is enough for gaming, get i7 for video rendering and shit like that".

>>381990449
Games use more than 4 cores these days retard

>>381990547
>i5 is pretty much obsolete when r5 exist
i5 runs Windows XP and Windows 7.
Two important OS for gaming.
Ryzen only runs Windows Phone games.

>>381990543
Bottleneck any GPU over 1050ti/570

>>381990556
I want contra in my mobo!

>>381990512
No it won't, the 2500k lasted me 6 years. I can see the 1600 lasting me at least 5 since all I do is game.

You even have an upgrade route on am4 so for whatever reason you upgrade a cpu every 2 years you'll just need a cpu and not a cpu + new motherboard like Intel

>>381990629
GTX 750 Ti is all the average gamer requires.

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>>381990550
Weird I have no problems.
>120hz
Cute

>>381990025
Jewripper

>>381990707

I wished.

>>381990550
This desu. I have a 4960k @ 4.6ghz with a gtx 1070 and rainbow six siege stutters out the ass if i dont lock my fps to 144. I can't even push 144 constant on all levels. Gpu usage is at 70% at most and my cpu going to 100%.

I5 isnt enough- that, or ddr3 is too slow

ITT: kiddies trying to justify their i7 purchases when they realized they wasted their money
>B-BUT YOU NEED INTEL TO RUN GAYMAN

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>381990550
>Anyone who buys a quad core right now is retarded, they have been reused over and over by Intel since they had no competition. Now they have competition and mainstream i5s will be 6 core in August.
>If you waited 7 years and don't have a quad core it's worth waiting another two months because the cpu market is finally changing after almost a decade
Anon, Mainstream dropped PCs completely already. Nobody gives a flying fuck about x86 CPU markets anymore.

>>381990590
>buy quad core intel cpu in 2017 because you didn't get one for the past decade
>literally being replaced with 6 core i5s in august due to ryzen

Worst timing ever to buy an i5/i7, quad cores are being phased out

>>381990543
2 CORES??? DRRRRRRRRRRRRRUUUUUMMMMPPPFF

>>381990707
For 720p medium 30fps maybe

>>381990847
You buy a Xeon E3 1230, pal.

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>>381990590
DELID DIS

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>>381990794
> justify their purchases
But aren't you doing just that?

>tfw want to replace my i5 3570k but there is nothing worthwhile out
Why did the CPU advancement slow to a crawl?

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>higher averages and higher minimums at lower load temps and lower clocks
Oh no, I can't stutter my way to higher maximums like your cum-smeared quad cores, whatever will I do?

>90°C spikes at stock on quad cores
>Intel recommends you not overclock the unlocked quad cores
>90°C after mild overclocks on 8 core chips
>100°C at stock on AIOs on 10 core chips
>100°C after mild overclocks on custom liquid loops on 10 core chips

>10% better overall performance than an 1800x on equivalent core count chips

Panic more you degenerate kike.

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>>381990940
except I already own an i5

yes?
the r5 1600 is the i5 2500k of 2017.

>>381990710
>144hz babbie
>not having 120hz a decade ago

new to pc gayming eh?

>>381991142
yes

>>381991142
>the r5 1600 is the i5 2500k of 2017.
No, it's much more expensive.

Honestly, unless you're gonna get an i7, the Ryzen 5s are generally the best price:performance you can get. Buying a Ryzen 7 for gaymin is pretty dumb, though, not the worst if you're willing to put in the effort to optimize OC and RAM. Unfortunately it's hard not to recommend the blatantly overpriced i7s due to their IPC and overclockability because of how shitty so many games are optimized these days. But if you're not chasing >120 FPS minimums, then an i5/r5 are often good enough. I kind of regret ever getting a 144hz monitor because now I can't go back, and I gotta upgrade constantly to maximize FPS in new titles. My friend has a 4k 60hz one and it practically makes my eyes bleed.

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>>381990543
>2 cores

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>>381991147
>new to pc gayming
I do okay. 4 years

>>381990993
Spot the AMDrone

>>381989659
ryzen is for lewd

>>381991142
>the r5 1600 is the i5 2500k of 2017.
ARM Cortex-A75 is the i5 2500k of 2017.

>>381991273
You can't lewd male CPUs!

>>381990993
You do realize those temps are under AVX load where Intel is roughly 2 to 3 times faster than your beloved AMD right?

>>381990767
Same problem with 2500k 4.8 and a 980

Cpu near 100% load while gpu fluctuates 50-80% in most 2016/2017 games. Locking
to 60 frames solves this issue most of the time, but that's just limiting your gpu and monitor.

If people wanna buy a quad core at this point in time let them, they'll regret it within a year.

Reminds me alot of the 08/09 when people said quad cores were useless in games and you only needed a dual core, or in 11 when people said hyperthreading is useless for games

>>381991235
>Why would you buy Intel in 2017?
AMD chipsets suck balls.
AMD energy usage sucks
AMD software support sucks

AMD is only there to drive down Intel's prices. You don't actually buy the gear. You buy the (now cheaper) Intel hardware.

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>>381990584

>>381991264
most of the people who are buying ryzen processors now are switching from intel.
until this year I would never recommend ANYBODY buy anything but intel, especially for gaming.
It was a no-brainer, even cheap i3s were outperforming everything AMD was throwing into the market.

Now AMD is creating powerful, cool, efficient chips with good core counts while Intel is pushing expensive, power hungry, hot chips with LOCKED FEATURES because they don't want to devalue their xeons.
Buying any current or X series Intel CPU is a terrible idea, even Intel shills like pic related have jumped ship.

We'll have to wait to see if Intel can follow up Kaby lake x and Skylake x with something actually good before this evens out again, but for right now Ryzen is dominating.

>>381991442
>why is my 6 years old CPU not enough anymore?
>evil Intel that's why reeeeeeeeeee

how come Ryzen 5 1600X loses to i5 7600 then in single-core and quad-core tests

>>381991449
Shhh. Bethesda and EA told him, so it's true

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>>381991498
forgot pic

>>381990710
>4 GB 1070
Wut

>>381990965
But there is, it's called the 1600. Moar cores, moar ipc, triple the threads, ddr4, roughly same price as i5, comes with decent stock cooler.

Intel hasn't given i5 users an upgrade route but amd has.

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Okay but how are AMD GPUs doin'.

>>381989659
I bought a gtx1080ti strix and i am not interested in 4k cause i am not fuckings stupid (there is no visual difference if you play on the couch some distance away)i have not played a single game all i do is watch some youtube videos and browse the internet.
I am currently setting up vorpx, trinusvr for skyrimvr but then bethesda announced they make skyrim vr.. so now i wait for the pc version so i dont have to bother as with a bunch of thirdparty software. And i am not gonna trade the card back because i dont care every 15 years i updgrade my pc with the best this is now my second time.
I am thinking about starting Dark souls3 lol

>>381991448
AMD energy usage is lower though, one of the biggest criticisms of Intel right now is the outrageous power usage

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>>381991235
>tfw never had problems with Intel
>have been using Intel since the 90's
>literally all games prefer Intel CPU

>>381991658
>roughly same price as i5
and loses to it in all the gaming tests

>>381991658
I wont gain any significant FPS from upgrading to the 1600 though

I want at least 50 fps difference

>>381991714
>>literally all games prefer Intel
>literally
"Playerunknown: Flavor of the month shit meme game" runs better on ryzen.
7700k can't deal with it.

>>381991212
No, its the same. Got my 2500k for like £160 in 2011, 1600 is £190.

Factor in that you need an aftermarket cooler since the Intel one is dogshit and the slightly more expensive Intel motherboards and they are the same price senpai

>being this loyal to a brand
>not just buying what you need at that current moment
Wow. So this is what rampant consumerism looks like? I bounce back and forth between intel, amd, nvidia, and ati

>>381991448
>AMD energy usage sucks
Didn't know that amd's new cpus have 140W tdp.

>>381991643
It's 8GB
also the CPU is 5hz

>>381991683
>AMD energy usage is lower though
It never was. AMD doesn't have the fabs to make CPUs running ten hours on a 40 Wh battery.
AMD chipsets are power hogs.

>>381991667
Can't buy them anywhere because of miners.

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>>381991741
Intel i5s are more expensive and are getting maxed out by current games while the 1600 keeps pace with extra headroom for the future.
look at the CPU utilization here.

billy if you don't buy Intel you're gonna keep giving us your lunch money

>>381991509
You do know that all i5s since sandybridge are pretty much the same performance wise?

At best sky/kabylake is 25% faster than a 6 years old 2500k, with worse temperatures.

>>381991854
>Didn't know that amd's new cpus have 140W tdp.
TDP doesn't matter, actual power draw matters, especially with low and average loads.

>>381991786
meme games don't count mate.

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>still rocking an i5 3570k
Should I upgrade soon? I graduated literally yesterday and about to have a job

>>381991741
Enjoy 100% cpu usage and stutters out the ass unless your on 60hz or have a potato gpu

>>381992006
>Windows Phone
No, you don't need to upgrade your phone.

>he shills intel for free

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>>381991667
WE DON'T TAKE ABOUT THOSE. AND THE 1070 is fake news.

WHERE THE FUCK IS THE 2000 SERIES?

WHAT'S GOING ON AT NVIDIA?

>>381991945
Is that what /r/AMD told you?

>>381991747
Then you upgrade your gpu senpai, you don't gain frames like that from a cpu upgrade unless u have a massive bottleneck like a 3570 with a 1080 and go to a 1600.

>>381991142
pretty much

majority on this board weren't even born though when the 2500k was new so your post is pointless

>he went to Jared

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>>381992052
do AMD cucks get paid for shilling here?

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>>381991931
Do people still think the witcher 3 is well optimized?

>>381992046
I don't understand

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Feels good man.

>>381989659
>retards bought an i5 in the past two years thinking it will last them for a decade
>other retards are buying 6 core Ryzen CPU's with shitty IPC that are struggling to even keep up with the i5's
>you bought an i7, the sweetspot currently
>RAM was still cheap, you saved on that
>resale value is high
>when you want to upgrade to a proper high clock, high IPC 6 or 8 core you can sell your old shit and buy a new CPU + MB for literally 40% of the asking price
Feels good man.

More cores still don't matter when most game engines are built to rape a single core while the rest of the cores barely do anything. Anyone obsessed with high FPS are dumb.

More cores mean better frame rate stability with more things happening on screen but the game must ask the CPU to do that and almost all games are made to not stutter like fuck on quad cores.

The only games that benefit now are Serious Sam Fusion and Doom.

>>381992173
You downgraded your PC with Microsoft's failed phone OS.
You don't need hardware upgrades anymore.

>>381991667
According to alleged specs, AMD's flagship GPU will outperform a 1080ti. As for price:performance, we'll see. I don't know what the price point is gonna be.

i7 7700K for 120fps+
R5 1600 for everything else kiddies do nowadays

/thread

>>381992121
No its a fact senpai. Since sandybridge each generation has been a 1-5% increase in ipc. Going from sandy to Kaby you get 25% ipc gain.

Google it

Why is /g/ heavily shilling Ryzen these days?

Even suggesting a 7700k is like mentioning Donald Trump to a room full of SJWs.

>>381992325
>According to alleged specs, AMD's flagship GPU will outperform a 1080ti
AMD always has better compute specs, their performance suffers because of software rather than hardware

>>381992341
/g/ was always an AMD fanboy club, it's just that Bulldozer was so incredibly shit even they felt weird shilling it

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it's great
and they're supporting AM4 till 2020

Vega soon

>>381992341
if ryzen wasn't a solid product, intel wouldn't have slashed prices
if threadripper wasn't a threatening product, intel wouldn't have paper launched "i9"

if you don't believe in amd, that; fine
intel believes in amd though, and that's quite telling

>>381992341
because most of /g/ does not only play games, ryzen is much better for everyday workloads/ content creation over intel. combine that with ryzen almost doing the same fps or better in some games at higher res at a cheaper price.

>>381992538
They haven't slashed prices.

>>381992341
>Why is /g/ heavily shilling Ryzen these days?
They need Consumerism to fill the void left by spiritual needs.
They literally replaced their religion with worship AMD.

>>381992325
>will outperform
Don't know about that senpai.
They're touting 14 TFLOPS of compute at ~1600 Mhz, for which they need an AIO. So OC headroom is looking to be as non-existent as on Fury.
Whereas basically any 1080Ti can get to ~2000 Mhz, putting it at ~14.3 TFOPS.
So at best they'll have a tiny compute advantage while still having worse geometry performance and higher power draw.
Couple that with Vega being 14 months!!! late and Volta being Q1 2018 at the latest and it looks like a disaster waiting to happen.

>>381992570
ok

>>381991714
>literally all games prefer intel cpu
Gee I wonder fucking why. AMD hasn't made a competent CPU in something like 7 years or more, so it's no wonder that AMD CPU optimization is trash. With Ryzen actually setting it's foot in the market again, we'll likely see that start to change.

>>381992563
>ryzen is much better for everyday workloads/ content creation over intel.
Ryzen will never appear in Macbooks.
Nobody on /g/ does content creation, seriously.

>>381992570
ok

>>381992627
Ah, we're back to wishful thinking, aka business as normal in AMD land.

>>381991813
>ati

>>381991994
You mean new games which are made to use more than 4 cores?

>>381992636
and thus why macbooks are shit at content creation.

just go on twitter and see all the people crying about how long it takes their videos to render on their shitbooks.

>>381992636
>pre-Ryzen
All of /g/ are gaymers just like /v/ermins

>post-Ryzen
Suddenly they are streamers, Youtubers and content creators

>>381992341
because they know what they're talking about unlike /v/

the majority of people here now only started pc gaming in the last couple of years

anyone who has been on pc for a while can see quad cores are now eol. 7700k is trash because its being replaced with a 6c/12t coffee lake cpu in august since ryzen just demolished the price/perf

>>381992627
>With Ryzen actually setting it's foot in the market again, we'll likely see that start to change.
That never changed, games always preferred Intel.
Intel even maintains their own compilers for everyone to use, AMD has nothing.

>All these plebs buying Ryzen
>Not waiting till september for the 6core/12thread Coffee Lake chips which will shit all over Ryzen
It's like you guys enjoy being on the losing side

>>381992570
10 core Intel cpu gone from 1800 dollars to 1000. And they'll need to drop it more when threadripper releases

>>381992725
young

1080@144 - Intel
1440@60 and anything harder than that - Ryzen
prove me wrong
protip: you can't

>>381992756
>Coffee Lake
>september
nice try

>>381992784
Thanks, I'm 39, but I still feel young. :3

>>381992636
>Ryzen will never appear in Macbooks.
They are releasing them late 2017.

>>381992756
>>381992718
Skylake-X has a 6-core

If Coffee Lake is moving to 6-cores they will be non-overclockable and slightly inferior to the Skylake-X 6-core

Since they don't want people to overclock the k chips like retards they're moving all overclockers to the X299 platform

>>381992756
pushed back to at least Q2 2018

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>>381992756
Intel don't know how to make consumer 6 core chips, enjoy your ridiculous TDP

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FUCKING INTEL, ALL THEY DO IS RUIN EVERYTHING

DRRRRRRRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUMMMMMMMMMPPPPFFFFFFFFFFF

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Intel is fucked either way
>slash their prices and they lower their margins and the stock will dive.
>if they keep the prices they're at AMD steals marketshare.

lmao
not like you kiddies understand but Intel has nothing of value on their roadmap for the coming 3 years. it's either lose money or lose money for Intel.

making cpus with more than 4 cores is immensely more expensive for Intel than AMD and that's why they're fucked.

>>381992685
It's not wishful thinking, it's a hypothesis. I mean yeah, it'd be great if it happened, but what do you want from me, hard pressed facts from the future?

>>381992870
You don't understand

They are replacing the mainstream i5/i7s at the same price point they are currently at just with more cores. Of course they'll be overclockable, mainstream Intel K cpus always have been.

I7 7700k 4c/8t >> i7 8700k 6c/12t
I5s to 6c/6t

About time too, we've been on the same core count for almost a decade with very little performance gains

>>381992995
>i5-7640x
>4.0 GHz
>4/4
>112W
how

>>381989659
If your referring to the 1600, that's probably the best chip you can get price/perf wise. So you're dumb.

T. 6600k and Intel ssd owner

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>>381993027
>if they keep the prices they're at AMD steals marketshare.
>AMD shill actually believing this

Techtuber Linus and Steam hardware surveys says otherwise

All the shilling and influencing only got them a small percentage of the market

>>381993193
is the SSD really relevant here?
I have an Intel SSD in my ryzen PC.

>>381993027
Intel is fine, they had the cpu market for half a decade. I'm sure their vaults are full to the brim.

They really hit the jackpot with sandybridge

>>381993226
the steam hardware survey is dominated by laptops, which is why Intel integrated graphics was the most popular GPU for the longest time.

>>381993125
It has such a high TDP to give overclocking headroom.

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>>381990449
>He bough an i5
LMFAO

>>381993125
the i9 7900k uses 371-402 watts.

>>381993254
I don't even know what brand my SSD is.

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>intel
>being able to make a CPU with more than 4 cores
enjoy your housefire

>>381993363
Overlocked in Prime95 with AVX512.
Not exactly a normal use case.

>>381993363
Goddam nigga, ain't that only the 10 core? The 12-18 cores gonna make some house fires.

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>>381989659
>mfw didn't fall for the ryzen meme
Seriously they have their place in non gaming applications but if you bought one specifically for gaming your dumb as fuck.

>>381993254
Just to show I'm not some Intel hater or something that only bought the country out of desperation. Otherwise, no.

>>381993460
>servers don't use 100% of the CPU
>or rendering
>3D modeling...

>>381993430
Oh God no, a CPU that's 15% faster consumes 15% more watts.

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>>381993363
Anandtech says something else

>>381993104
source for it being on the same price point
>>381993226
steam hardware survey is conclusive because of different reasons >>381993306 being among them. AMD is literally bankrupt next earnings report if they lost marketshare according to your survey.

>>381993297
Intel is fine because the heaps of cash they're sitting on but the stock will dive either way because the numbers won't be as good as they were before

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>>381992820
>>381992870
>>381992957
>>381992995
https://hothardware.com/news/intel-coffee-lake-6-core-cpu-multi-core-performance-leaked-geekbench
The ENGINEERING SAMPLE, which is just a gimped down version hastily produced to make sure the production line works, already beats the Ryzen 1600 in its gimped state. Once the official 8700K chips hit release they will shit all over the entire Ryzen line-up.
Also see pic if you don't believe it's comming out august-september.
Thanks for pushing the core count up AMD, now step aside and let the pro's show you how it's done.

>>381993526
Not with AVX a 100% of time, no.

>>381993491
Why?

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>Anandtech
>know intel shill

https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/intel-core-i9-7900x-processor-review,5.html

>>381993491
Better than buying a quad core in 2017 and being a corelet

Enjoy cpu bottleneck when you upgrade your gpu to volta

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>>381993545
>Ryzen 8 core 65w
>Intel 8 core 146w

what are you trying to prove

>>381992725
AMDs x486's were slightly faster, also the Athlon crushed the Pentium 4.

>>381993619
That's the whole system including the graphics card under full load.

>>381993619
for
>>381993545

>>381993531
Screenshot these AMDrones replies because they will be shouting that TDP doesn't matter once Threadripper comes out next month

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>>381989885
>>381989659

>>381993626
My 6700k is nowhere near being a bottleneck even at 4k.

>>381993659
>AMDs x486's were slightly faster
Yes, because while AMD was still producing 486 clones Intel was making Pentiums that left them in the dust.
>Athlon crushed the Pentium 4
Yep

>>381993671
>wprime
>whole system

Anon that is a cpu bench

>>381992325
rofl
it will be lucky to outperform the regular 1080

classic AMD, 2 years late to the party and going LOOK GUYS, WE'RE CHEAPER THAN CARDS FROM 2 YEARS AGO!

>>381993571
>hothardware
nice source you got there buddy

>>381993470
the 7900x runs at 71 degrees liquid cooled at stock and 93 degrees liquid cooled at 4.5ghz which is its max turbo freq.
Intel can't into scalability, those higher core CPUs are literally going to cause a few fires, I guarantee it.

>>381993606
AMD only wins in applications that actually take advantage of all cores and intel still shits on AMD in terms of IPC. Ryzen is better in multimedia applications because of this but the vast majority of games will never use all 8 cores on Ryzen.

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>post yfw you realise there are literal i5cucks in this thread right now
>they are using a 4 core, 4 thread processor in 2017
>mfw

Name a more obsolete intel processor apart from the 6900k and I'll buy you a pint

You have to have an extreme custom loop to even oc the new Intel chips

>>381993551
Dude it's replacing the 7700k etc at the same price point. Common sense. Technology doesn't scale in price linearly, and ryzen has forced their hand.

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remember to buy your delid kit boys

>>381993864
>he doesn't know what IPC is

The IPC between Gayby Lake and Ryzen is about the same, however Gaybe Lake has a much better overclocking and housefire capacity.

>>381993878
Core 2 duo

>>381993297
Still bummed I bought a phenom II X4 a less than a year before sandy bridge.

My brother games on it daily still, and I didn't feel the need to upgrade until a year ago, so not too terribly sad.

>>381993864
But why getting more expensive 7600k over 1600/1600X? You'll get 120+ fps at 1080p so unless you have 144Hz monitor there's no reason to get i5.

>>381993878
i3, pentium, celeron.

>>381994004
>The IPC between Gayby Lake and Ryzen is about the same
This is what AMDtards actually believe.

>>381994065
Pentium still has a place if you're a homeless poorfag

>>381993825
https://browser.primatelabs.com/v4/cpu/3208482
The original geekbench results page, you can actually LOOK IT UP yourself dumb amddrone.

>>381993864
The ipc is almost the same, ryzen is on par with Broadwell which is 5% behind Skylake.

The boost Intels gets in singlethreaded games is mostly from the 20% clock speed over ryzen. Personally I'd take double the cores over 20% clock speed any day.

>>381994150
>6/12
So you're comparing 400 usd CPU with 250? Nice logic you got there buddy. Unless of course i5 get HT but I seriously doubt it.

>>381994064
Because muh 4k. I'll move up to 4k and higher than 60 fps when it doesn't take top tier hardware to accomplish it consistently. I'll just stay rolling at 1080p 60hz with my 1070 and 3770k.

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>>381993965
What is a delid and why does it lower the temps that much?

>>381993910
the value of Ryzen won't change because 1600 is still significantly cheaper for similar performance when comparing it to Intel's offerings.

looking at kaby lake x and kaby lake we can assume that 6 core mainstream intel will have higher tdp because of higher clocks. so basically it will be hotter for higher performance and at a higher price than 1600.

ryzen will still have more performance per dollar so your statement of Intel changing the playing field from today is wrong.

>>381994324
But Ryzen perform on par with Intel CPUs at 4K.

>>381994364
Intel uses jew jizz instead of solder for the cpu heat spreader

>>381994417
this.

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I had a i5 7500 before I bought a Ryzen CPU. All stuttering stopped and my render times decreased by a lot. I would recommend this cpu if you do all kinds of work on your PC.

>>381994364
Intel doesn't solder there CPU's like AMD does. They put a cheap paste inside their CPUs

https://www.google.com/search?q=what%27s+inside+a+7700k&safe=off&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjKkPuh7d3UAhUl_4MKHWrCCq8Q_AUIDSgE&biw=1437&bih=970#safe=off&tbm=isch&q=delid+7700k&imgrc=3zr5LnXD1FqGjM:

>>381994417
They kinda do actually, I don't really know what made me say that.

>>381994417
That's because the GPU is the bottleneck at 4K right now. You can't max out the CPU at that resolution because as of now the GPU is the limiting factor.

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>>381994364
under the lid of the CPU itself they use thermal paste instead of solder.
this would actually be a reasonable design choice only they used garbage cheap thermal paste.
If they spent an extra cent or two on better thermal paste it would fix the issue, but instead now they're asking unlocked K CPU owners to NOT overclock their unlocked CPUs.

People who already own this crap are responding by cutting open their CPU with razor blades and pouring liquid metal in before reapplying the lid.

>>381994618
http://overclocking.guide/the-truth-about-cpu-soldering/
Educate yourself

>>381994947
I wonder how intel-shills are going to defend this.

>>381995138
t. a website running intel ads

>>381995138
>m-muh soldering shortens cpu lifespan

>>381995192
they can't
they all ran away and hid in their cuckshed

Why do AMD fanboys hate Trump?

>>381994947
You misunderstand what it's about - it's definitely NOT about saving 2c over better paste or even saving 10c over solder (which is, despite Intel's initial claims, possible at their die sizes)

What it IS about is preventing the 2600K of the future.
Only a few will delid a brand new CPU (and a few will break their new CPUs), so most of the rest will have subpar-overclocking either forever or until they can no longer bear it down the line (when the paste has hardened and it's far more likely the crack or chip the die) to delid.

By hurting the OC potential but competing right now, they're trying to sure up sales for the future.

>>381995392
>Calling der8auer, the guy who makes all the delidding vids on youtube and praizes AMD for how they made their Ryzen chips, an intel shill
Okay
>>381995469
But it does, and this is why der8auer also speculates in his recent videos that AMD will also start using TIM in their future chips because if they want to go beneath 130mm^2 die sizes they will have to let go of soldering because it will just damage the dies too much.
Could Intel have used better TIM? Yes, definitely. But the reason why they used TIM over soldering is not because they were lazy, the die size just doesnt allow for soldering anymore.

>>381989659
>buy ayymd
>get everything with one purchase
>buy shilltel
>have to buy DLC to unlock features on the hardware

>>381995746
We don't.
Based Keller is Making American Semiconductor Industry Great Again. MASIGA

Not only have AMD resurfaced, but Intel is competing and finally opening their new fab, they're also thinking of shrinking the packaging in Malaysia and moving it to USA
Most of the AMD dies are made in New York too.

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>amd has an asian CEO
i thought white people were the master race?

>>381995951
that's an interesting idea but considering the 7700k is still a 4 core chip I'm sceptical.
If they needed to sabotage lifespans of their products wouldn't that mean they really weren't planning on higher core count consumer processors until ryzen?

I mean it still makes sense but I've heard that it is unrealistic to accuse them of rushing out the X series' as a direct response to ryzen and that they were a long time coming.

>>381996109
Are you some sort of actual racist?
How do these people exist?

I goddamn hope you're illegal so Trump throws you out on your ass, no matter what race, creed or gender you are.

>>381996109
>amd has an actual female in a leading position
>intel spends their money on con artists like anita sarkesian

Really makes you think

>>381996163
SkylakeX and KabyLakeX also use paste now.
BroadwellEP/LGA2011-3 was the last to use solder.

>finally want to build my PC
>decided to go with 7600
>now have doubts about it thanks to AMD shills
m-maybe I should just wait for Coffee Lake, it's not like I can buy a VGA now anyway

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>built my first PC few weeks ago
>friend recommended Ryzen 1600
>see this thread

>>381996278
Wait for Coffee Lake

Don't listen to AMD shills

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>>381996202
>when you can't tell if this is a legitimate post or a shitpost
the utter STATE of the left

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>>381996109
this white guy single-handedly saved the desktop PC industry, he takes no prisoners, asks no thanks and only lives to plow ass and crucify the juden.

>>381996321
>wait

>>381993760
AMD never made x486 clones, they were making official x486 CPUs.
What AMD was cloning was Intel 8080 and was making more profits out of it than actual Intel.

>>381996305
you have a good friend.
I went to my local PC store to get some cables the other day and I saw 2 kids and a fat guy all buying 4 core intel CPUs.
The fat guy was especially pathetic, he nervously said no to a bag when asked so he had to shove his SSDs, case fans and RAM into his pockets.
He even tried shoving his GPU down his elastic wasteband but gave up and shuffled away.

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>>381989659
the absolut state of Intlel's """""""CPU's""""""

>delid this
>void warranty

>>381996685
dude it's not even hard all you have to do is cut open the lid and pour liquid metal inside it's no big deal.
Razor blades are cheap as fuck, if you can afford a good intel processor you can certainly afford to manually fix it yourself with a few supplies.
Personally I'm glad I had to delid my CPU because it gives me the satisfaction of knowing I not only built my PC but my CPU as well.

>>381996321
Yeah but how long? I only have a 6 years old notebook with half-dead Nvidia card. I get sub-20 FPS on CS:GO and sound cracking problems. I have like $1500 or maybe even $2000 to build a PC but I also need a good display that will last me a long time. And now is like the worst time to build a PC, between miners and all those exciting new stuff like new and affordable 6-8 core CPUs.

>>381996802
also RAM prices have gone up because of scarcity and the phone industry getting first dibs.

Buying a 1600 and a 1060/480 in the brief period before the mining boom would have been a good time.
Right now you're kind of fucked.

>>381996305
Here's truth about 1600 no bullshit added.

7700k is faster CPU in single threaded applications, games are mostly written to have one dominant thread and support threads.

Games also don't care about your CPU as much as they care about your GPU, you can take first generation i5 and have FPS in the ballpark as Kabylake i7.

Why pick 1600 over 7700k? Because it's better/exactly the same and has higher potential.

>>381996934
Hell I even of wanted to get a 1080Ti, I can afford it. Well, COULD afford it before the VGA prices skyrocketed. Shit, now I might as well wait for Volta and Vega but that's more waiting and not playing video games.

>>381997076
Buy second hand, there are people who will sell you 980Ti at reasonable prices.

>>381996935
definitely this.
a 7700k is a single thread heavyweight but has no real potential and now that intel is going for higher core counts it's only a matter of time before it starts losing ground.
Chances are most modern mid-range CPUs will not bottleneck you in games at all.

Intel's best use case right now in terms of gaming would be 144hz or emulation.
Pretty much every tech outlet is recommending against buying them now though, they just don't make sense.
If Coffee lake is good that'll change things.

>>381997132
I'm wary of buying second hand, I'm not smart enough to figure out if somebody sells me damaged junk, and I'd still need to buy the rest of PC to stick that 980Ti in, which means waiting for Coffee Lake anyway to at least see what kind of price and stats it has and if it's better for me than 1600 or worse.

>>381997167
>If Coffee lake is good
That s a big if, if anything Kaby Lake shows that this Arch in on the end if it;s legs and Intel can't get nodes smaller

>people who can't understand not everybody wants / can afford the best hardware

I bought an RX 470 for cheap as fuck with an echelon asus mouse as a gift. It's perfectly good for what it cost. Just because someone plays games doesn't mean it's their only hobby or they are willing to pump as much money into it as others.

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>intel shills out in full force after getting BTFO by amd

Don't you people have some delidding to do?

>>381997372
>RX 470 for cheap as fuck
Sell it for profit and buy a better card.

>>381996067
Also, hardware modifications to make overclocking sustainable on shittel

DELID THIS

>>381997445

I live in eastern europe, searched it up out of curiosity and there is literally non avalible in stock since around 2 months ago. It costs around 30 dollar more now at the couple places that have it, funny shit.

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Ryzen is the best thing that happend to PC gaming recently.

Thanks to instead of buying a 4 core intel that will be obsolete in 2 years + an ofc overpriced as fuck motherboard +a custom cooler because the intels one are either garbage or not even included and a gtx 1060 i bought a R7 1700 + a cheap AM4 motherboard and a GTX 1080.

Based AMD.

How much of an upgrade would it be coming from an AMD FX-8320 if I got Ryzen. I always imagined going to Intel after dealing with AMD's shit CPUs, but Ryzen actually seems good enough to warrant a new build.

I just want to say it's nice that the war between AMD and Intel is back.

That said Ryzen is far superior and innovative and the only justification for buying Intel is if you have or are willing to spend the money to buy a new cpu frequently as 4 cores is a joke in 2017

just built a PC in the NZXT s340 case. I regret it. Its pretty loud...
Should've gotten a silent case

>>381998480
+- 50% across the board

>>381998480
Depends what OS you're running.

GNU/Linux based OSes are fully up to date with support for Ryzen and will give you the best performance.
Windows 7 doesn't have proper support for Ryzen and never will which tends to reduce performance, but then 7 doesn't really support AMD's FX chips either.

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Ok, I fucking need a new CPU.
What do I get? I just can't fucking decide anymore.
Nothing high-end, please. I still have a fucking FX-4300 because I hate myself.

>>382000887
R5 1600

>AMD Indians thinking they're relevant again
Jesus christ

>>382000973
What's the difference between 1600 and 1600X, is the X version less powerful? Because it costs less here.

>>382000973
X

>>382001184
Fug sorry, I'm blind it said 1500X not 1600X.

>>382001184
X is clocked higher.

Intel CPUs have integrated graphics which are actually pretty good. Does 1600 have integrated graphics? Do motherboards designed for it?

>>382001184
1500 = 2+2 / 8 thread, low clockspeed
1500X = 2+2 / 8 thread, higher clockspeed
1600 = 3+3 / 12 thread, low clockspeed
1600X = 3+3 / 12 thread, higher clockspeed

All are overclockable, so the non-x versions are preferable if you're on a budget and willing to overclock. The 1600 series parts are better performers for gaming, especially if you restrict the game to a single set of cores.

AMD's upcoming Ryzen/Vega SOC parts should be single CCX and much better for gaming, especially if you plan to run Windows games virtualized as it will give you the second GPU you'll need.

> have a i5 2500k with a gtx 970
> most intensive thing done is gaming

Would I see any reasonable performance increase by going to Ryzen? Probably not.

>>382001514
Much appreciated, going for the 1600 because it seems the best out of all in terms of reliability and performance combined.

>tfw i3 6100

reeeeeeee i want ryzen

>>381996790
You paid $300 for a processor and you're happy you had to delid it? Wtf do you think you're paying for? Stop shilling and get ANGRY, you should not be okay with having to delid.

>>382001847
If all you do is play games then no. Just overclock.

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So I do a lot of emulating, nearly as much as playing actual PC games and usually the conventional wisdom is you want the fastest single thread/core performance you can get which according to everything I've looked it is the 7700k, can anyone attest to this?

Has anyone done tests with Ryzen vs 7700k on things like PCSX2, Dolphin, Cemu and RPCS3? I'm thinking about upgrading from my i7 930 soon and was planning on getting a 7700k but I'm not really opposed to Ryzen the CPU I had before this one was some socket AM2 chip and I do kinda hate giving Intel money.

>>382001938
you can OC 1600 to 3.6 on stock cooler no problems, no idea why 1600x doesn't come with the same cooler.

>>382002760
X has worse cooler?

>>382002959
It doesn't include a cooler at all. Not a problem for most since if you're into ocing, you probably already have a very good cooler.

>>382002959
X has no cooler in the package.

>>382003112
Oh I have a good cooler, problem is, it's LGA1155 and AM2, and AM4 is not supported.

>>382003112
>>382003123
I see. Are be quiet! coolers fine? Are they actually, well, quiet?

>>381990738
>Jewripper
>not Kikeripper
anon, please

>>381989659
If only my CPU were shittier than a i53570k, then I'd get a Ryzen. I wish it wouldn't be a miniscule upgrade.

>>382003258
they are ok, but most of the cooler are about 30-40db, just find cooler you want to buy and check a review on it, easiest way of doing it.

Test

>>382003545
>just find cooler you want to buy
>easiest way
Like what, do I just look at designs? I don't know shit about coolers. Logical Increments recommends be quiet! and I kind of thought the name was funny enough, sure they're kind of expensive but if I get a good cooler for that price I can deal.

>>382003751
So posting is shitty not just for me, then?

>>381990629
>not knowing how bottlenecks work

Since it seems a tech thread, what are your thoughts on this setup?

AMD 970/SB950
AMD FX X8 8300 (3.3GHz)
8 GB DDR3, 1600MHz
AMD Radeon RX460 2GB
1000.0 GB, SATA 7200 o/min
Antec GX505
600W 80+
LC Power Cosmo Cool

>>382004060
2/10
Get the fuck out of here.