Who was a better casual filter?

>>381980620
Matador. Nocturne was just a more obscure normie reppelant of a game than SMTIV was.

>III's casual filter is a bullfighter
>IV's casual filter is a bull

Pottery

>>381980620
I can't seriously believe people have trouble with Matador. Just use Fog Breath and he'll die before even managing to do his first physical attack. Even Thor is more brutal.

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>>381981382
>IV:A's is a mascot

>>381981586
The main problem is unlike many games debuffs don't usually work on bosses so most players just wail on them with impunity. Matador actually teaches you that debuffs are just as important as buffs and appropriately punished you for not utilizing it

Matador. If you understand how the Nocturne works, you will not die to Matador, and you need to understand what he'll teach you to beat the rest of the game. Minotaur is much more susceptible to RNG nonsense like Walter using Agi or one unlucky crit and only really teaches the player determination.

>>381982426
but matador has dekunda and he uses it often

Matador is a more fair fight.

You have far more control over the fight in that situation as opposed to HOY using Agi and getting you wiped potentially.

>>381981586
>having fog breath at around lvl 12-14 on regular ng
I'm sure it's possible, but with how little money and options you have in naraku, it's not unreasonable to have trouble and take a bunch of time to get the buffs on demons that can take more than one hit.

>>381984501
Fuck, now I'm getting confused between bull and bullfighter.

>>381984501
You are confusing the games. Naraku is in IV

In Nocturne you can actually grind money and Fog Breath is available early. Hell, there are several sources of Null/Dr/Rp Force before Matador to eat his turn