>Souls-like

What would you call it?

>Action/adventure with heavy emphasis on difficulty with a risk/reward system upon death
doesn't exactly roll off the tongue

>no one will ever make a dark souls waifu dating sim and call it 'souls-like'

why even live

Souls-like sounds retarded, but there isn't another short word to describe exactly what millions of people are looking for in a game.

>>381965676
Calling something "Souls-like" is saying "we tried to do exactly what Dark Souls did because people like Dark Souls!! :D" and it's fucking retarded. At this point it's almost as bad as an open-world crafting game.

>>381965843
>challenging

>>381965898
Well when you come up with a better name let us know.

I fucking hate how souls turned into a near yearly series
seriously it seems like every year there's a fucking souls-type game from From

>>381965992
Imagine if all platformers were marketed as "Mario-like"
Fuck off, Soulsfag.

>>381966002
Do a medical check for brain tumors anon

>>381966106
Well do you have a better name or are you just going to shipost? Because I've yet to see one.

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Like it or not, Souls has very much spawned its own genre.

people needed a label for games that punish you for performing badly

the depressing part is that so few are actually still around that they can fit under one umbrella like this. ninja gaiden would get called souls-like today

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>>381966106
>He's to young to remember when all FPSes were just called "Doom clones"

>>381966369
They're literally just action rpgs. The combat of the games is similar to zelda (except not on babby difficulty) and the mechanics have a lot more RPG to them than Zelda does, but it's still just an action game where you run through corridors and kill monsters with pretty blatant beginning-middle-end to levels.

>>381966289
Is it my job to come up with a better name? What's wrong with marketing a game as an action-rpg? Focus on difficulty has nothing to do with a game's genre.

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>>381965524
>"Its the X of Y games"
>Its great with friends!
>" its a good X game but not a good Y game"
>"its good X amount of hours in"

>>381966552
>It's basically X but with Y things different

yes, thats what makes something a genre.

>>381966376
>ninja gaiden would get called souls-like today

I don't think so. I think the requirements are slightly more stringent than that.

The risk/reward lose-all-your-currency-upon-death-with-a-chance-to-retrieve factor is pretty huge. As is the 3D. I haven't heard anyone call Shovel Knight a "Souls-Like" even though it fits the bill, and not being 3D is probably a big part of that.

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>>381966775
2D souls-likes exist

>>381966643
>Focus on difficulty has nothing to do with a game's genre.

Actually, real progression-interrupting difficulty and consequences for failure are so uncommon that they could have a genre all for themselves. They are designed fundamentally differently than most modern games where you can't really get stuck (corridor shooters like uncharted or games where nothing is required like BOTW)

>>381965913

Underrated post.

>>381966643
>Hey this thing sucks! I want it changed
>How; and to what? I don't know, but it sucks make it better
Be the change you want to see in the world anon.

>>381966437
This.

FPSes were just called Doom clones for a super long time. Like, almost straight into the 2000s.
Quake and Half-Life were Doom Clones.

Rogue-Like is still a thing

MOBAs were just called DOTA-Likes there for a while

It's the natural progression to branching off into its own genre.

>>381966775
>As is the 3D. I haven't heard anyone call Shovel Knight a "Souls-Like" even though it fits the bill, and not being 3D is probably a big part of that.

It being absolutely piss easy is a part of that. If the game's checkpoints were few and far between automatically (instead of something that the player can control) and you had to walk half the level to get your shit back, you bet your ass people would call it a soulslike.

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>>381965524
>>381965676
>>381965843
>>381965913
>>381965992
>>381966369


they mean "artificial difficulty"

that's all souls is. /v/ is just autistic and think they're god-like gamers because they can beat it and it frustrates people looking for a fun game.

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>Undervania

>>381965524
I bet you also hate the term "Metroidvania," you autistic fuck.

>>381967085
>Artificial difficulty

OH SHIT IS IT 2013 AGAIN?

IT'S NOT TOO LATE! I CAN STILL TELL HER HOW I FEEL

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>>381967085
I like your bait. The dsp argument, and the frogposting really puts the cherry on top.

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>>381967021
>Implying I have the ability to change how companies market things
>Implying I care enough to try
wew lad

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>>381967094

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What makes something a Souls Like:

>Check point based system
>You have to replay the full level from the last check point when you die.
>When you die, your resources are lost until you return and reclaim them.
>Attribute and leveling system that allows for much variety
>Slow weighty combat with a heavy emphasis on resource management.
>Emphasis on boss fights in which players are forced to learn a pattern
>player skill is always more important than character skill. You can get through the entire game without ever taking damage if you're good.
>Drop in/Drop out multiplayer and sometimes invasions

Dark Souls invented none of this but certainly popularized their use in the modern industry. But the phrase 'Souls-Like' neatly describes games that combine these features into one tidy little box.

>>381967085

t. quit at undead burg

>>381965524
well yeah, dark souls invented the genre

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>>381965524
tfw so far the beginning of Ever Oasis is literally Chibi Souls, but would be too negatively-kneejerk'd of a descriptor

>>381967280
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Implying
If you have no control over how things are marketed, and don't care enough to even try then why are you complaining? It's like saying "I hate that people call hamburgers cheeseburgers sometimes, but I'm never going to correct them or try to help people understand the difference. I'm just going to go on the internet, and complain to random people about how much it bugs me." What is even the purpose of doing it?

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>It's skyrim with guns!

So what are all the Soulslikes?

>Demon's Souls
>Dark Souls
>Dark Souls II
>Dark Souls III
>Bloodborne
>Nioh
>Let It Die
>Lords of the Fallen
>The Surge

Not counting 2D games like Salt & Sanctuary, is that all of them?

>>381967206
>>381967264
>>381967454
Guys, please do not reply to obvious and low quality bait. It is very embarrassing and greatly upsetting.

>>381967393
>Check point based system
>You have to replay the full level from the last check point when you die.
>Attribute and leveling system that allows for much variety
>Emphasis on boss fights in which players are forced to learn a pattern
>player skill is always more important than character skill. You can get through the entire game without ever taking damage if you're good.
>Dark Souls invented none of this but certainly popularized their use in the modern industry.

Nobody tell Devil May Cry or literally any other action game that Dark Souls traveled back in time and popularized all of these incredibly common things before they existed

Like, come on. Attributes and bosses with patterns didn't exist in modern games? You shitting me friendo?

>>381967393

I just think developers should pick about two or three of these features and say, "inspired by games like Dark Souls". As opposed to just rolling all of that shit up and making a game that's like "Dark souls in X setting" or "the dark souls of X genre".

>>381967719
What's the point in psychoanalyzing a 4chan post that's gonna get archived in a short amount of time? I felt like posting something so I posted it. Do you think people that complain about, I don't know, anything in a video game are gonna go out and make one of their own without the flaws they complained about?

The answer is no, anon.

"Darksouls" is a synonym for "dynamic" - both words mean absolutely jack shit. These words do the exact same amount of damage to every resume they appear on.

>>381967862
I'm sorry anon I'll be more careful about who I talk to on 4chan. You can count on me.

>>381967914
Precidence doesn't matter.

Wolfenstein came first, but all FPSes after Doom came out were Doom clones

>>381967856
There's also Necropolis.

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>>381966106
Imagine if all roguelikes were called "Rogue-like"

Oh motherfucking wait a fucking second

>>381968040
>Precidence doesn't matter.

You're claiming that Dark Souls popularized game mechanics that endured about 30 years. They never died off unless you're a fucking retard that only plays big budget console games.

YOU ARE CLAIMING DARK SOULS POPULARIZED BOSS FIGHTS AND CHECKPOINTS

MARIO HAS THOSE

>>381967856
EITR and Necropolis i think are considered souls-like

>>381967947
>I just do things I want to do at random times, and don't expect any repercussions or reactions from other people
Is this what being a neet is like? It sounds very sad, and pointless.

>>381968006
Thank you, anon.

>>381968159
>Necropolis
god that looks shit

>>381968236
>Triggered by the most basic of /v/ posts
Is this what being autistic is like? It sounds very sad, and pointless.

>>381966856
It's difficult to play a game if you absolutely hate the artstyle

>>381968204
EITR?

>>381968373
It absolutely is.

>>381968202
You are unreasonably upset.

No one's said any of that. No one's claiming Dark Souls is the reason boss battles or player-based skill are a popular. That's retarded.

We're saying Dark Souls popularized those elements in that exact configuration.

>>381967914
Finish reading the post champ. I never said Dark Souls invented any of that but using it all in the same package makes it a souls-like

DMC has no rpg elements and has weightless combat, so it does not match the description

>>381968450
i believe its not yet released, but looking at the trailers and such its clearly a souls-like. i think even that Vaati guy covered it.

>>381967947
>someone explains their own motivations for pressing you on a subject
>"omg why are you psychoanalyzing me"

>>381968384
>Triggered by getting called out online
Is this what being autistic is like? It sounds very sad, and pointless.
See I can post non sequitur's too. What do you think of that?

>Touhousque

>>381968696
>Called out
wew
Imagine going onto one of those >Boss does x threads and commenting "Yeah okay so what the fuck are you gonna do about it, anon??"

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>>381965524
Whether you like it or not souls games are the most difficult on a enemy to enemy basis.
Even trash hollows can kill you really easy if you don't remember the timing for their attacks and respond correctly.

>>381966154
>das 2011
>pc release 2012
>das 2 2013
>remaster 2014
>bloodborne 2015
>das 3 2016
how am I wrong you fucking nigger

>>381967393
>Emphasis on boss fights in which players are forced to learn a pattern
This seems to be the one that "Soul-Like Combat" is attached to the most, which is embarrassing because it used to be just common boss design.

>>381967856
Adding to this list
>Necropolis
>Ashen
>Deep Down

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>>381968840
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wew
You sure do like using that word. To bad it doesn't mean anything you desperate little newfag.
Also your "defense" doesn't discredit that you've made no valid points, just random little character attacks that amount to nothing.

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>>381968995
>Deep Down

>>381968942
>counting re-releases
that's cheating

>>381967856
Let It Die is like halfway between "soulslike" and "roguelite"

>>381968474
Idiot

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>>381969231
>just random character attacks
lol
>"Is this what being a neet is like"
LOL

>>381968517
>DMC has no rpg elements
Does dark souls?
>Weightless combat
Lmao

>>381965524
It's become it's own genre. Soulsborne is just like metroidvania

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>>381969408

>>381968202
Not just those, but the combination of all of those elements, madfriend

The amount of posters that don't know that games like Salt and Sanctuary exist is too damn high. If you played it you would have no qualms about Souls-like.

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>>381969454
>I use one
>You use fifty
>U do it too you frickin' jerk
Keep proving my point anon. You can have some shit talk in an argument, but not if that's all you rely on.

>>381966002
>>381966154
Don't forget
>Counting a separate intellectual property

>>381967085
this is true for dark souls 2 and 3
ds1 has actual difficulty on top of artificial difficulty, and bloodborne doesn't have difficulty

>>381969339
I know, but I figured it was still worth mentioning.

Really enjoyed that game, hope if they ever do a sequel they fix some of the flaws though.

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>>381969734
>We both used one
hm

>>381969250
Don't worry anon, they renewed the trademark this year! There's still hope!

;_;

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>>381969907
One equals fifty?
>emoji posting
You're not even trying anymore. All you've done to defend your point is "yeah well you're autistic" that's not how this works. That's not how any of this works

>>381969834
I'm still enjoying that game because the formula was basically hand-tailored for me. I've nearly maxed my storage space with free death metals, and I love how the hooks that are meant to make whales spend realbux make the game feel really tense at times for someone planning on suffering the consequences instead of buying their way out.

But yes, there are several flaws. Maybe they will be fixed for the second tower/next 40 floors?

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>>381970134
>"One equal fifty"
>References the one and only time I did
My neurons are working double-time

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>>381966552
>We'll never get a Zelda Dark Souls spinoff for switch

>>381968953
And then the common boss design became shoot the red spot or press X to win so Souls brought back the OG design and it was a breath of fresh air

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>soulsbourne
say it one more time and I slit your fucking throat

>>381970189
I actually bought a DM pack (the cheapest one) just because I wanted to support the devs. It's such an addictive game.

>>381970373
It's just a name for the series made by Fromsoft

Bloodborne isn't called Beast Souls, so you can't just call it "Souls" anymore. Besides, it's not like it sounds any more retarded than "Metroidvania".

>>381967047
>MOBAs were just called DOTA-Likes there for a while
because faggots were offended by the real name assfaggots

>>381970540
anyone who uses "metroidvania" is almost as bad and if they are truly disconnected you shouldn't connect them by arbitration like a fucking dickhead

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>>381970260
>Fuck off, Soulsfag.
>Implying
>Implying
>wew lad
>What's the point in psychoanalyzing a 4chan post
>Is this what being autistic is like? It sounds very sad, and pointless.
>wew
>lol
>LOL
>double emoji posting
>My neurons are working double-time
These are all very good and well thought out rebuttals? Keep telling yourself that buddy.

>>381965524
Except it's correct. Same reason Metroidvania, Rogue-like, Diablo-clones and Doom-clones are a thing. The only real annoyance here is people who want "X but with Souls-combat" and people saying hard things are "the Dark Souls of X". That's pretty dumb, but I doubt those people even play video games so who cares?

>>381965898
Do you feel the same way towards the term "Metroidvania"?

>>381970778
>you shouldn't connect all the games made by Fromsoft that are very clearly in the same series because some of them are unconnected and have a different title
'no'

>>381967393
>>Attribute and leveling system that allows for much variety
you forgot
>and that the fanbase immediately chooses as few builds as the one true way to play and then says everything else is too easy and thus not allowed

>using shields + heavy armor in dark souls? casual
>using magic/ninja tricks in nioh? casual
>using two-handed weapons? casual
>the only way to play is light armor no shield and no two-handed weapon and no magic

>>381971013
Do you also believe that Yoshi/DK games are part of the Mario franchise just because they're similar and developed by the same company?

>>381969818
lol

>>381967741
Fucking hated that they plastered that over Farcry 3.
Skyrim with guns is essentially fallout3/NV