How do we save it? I'll start: >no 3DS version

>>381948043
Good gameplay.

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No more new characters. Please. Just make the game more fun.

Why are you being racist against 3DS OP, there's literally nothing wrong with 3DS.

>>381948751
I can think of two hundred and forty reasons why the 3DS is bad.

>>381948043
>All previous characters
>Have clones as costumes instead of their own character or change them to make them more like Falco/Fox
>Bring back singleplayer
>Have a lot of unlockable characters
>Stop restricting gameplay : easy to learn hard to master
>Embrace the competitive scene by not actively trying to stop them
>Stop bringing in shit characters

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>>381948043
Put these in...

...Along with Inkling, Spring man, Ribbon girl, Bomberman, Snake, Ice climbers, Wolf and Pichu.

>>381948751
Lose sales to piracy.

>Update old characters movesets.
>This includes Samus, Ganon, Jigglypuff, Donkey Kong, Luigi and Wario.
Still can't believe Wario's grabs don't resemble his game at all.

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>How do we save it?
fucking what

>last entry outsold Brawl if you put together both versions of Smash 4
>Meleefags and autistic Ridleyfags assume next game will sell awful if they don't pander to their demographic
that said, i'm hoping next game will have a more decent roster and gameplay parring to what made Project M more fun than Memelee and Brawl.

also, squids 'n sylux

>>381948263
Nintendo is never going to re-make Melee HD.

>>381950802
Thank fuck. I want a game that improves on it not recites it. Project M is what Brawl should have been.

>>381950802
Call in retro studios, they could make Melee HD.

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>>381948043
Make it the 3DS version and add Wii U stages to it.

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>>381950802
>remake Melee
>nothing was removed aside stuff like Super Wavedash or Marth's shitty grab
>give it online
>balance it like SD Remix

>Melee nostalgiafags refuse to step away from their gaycube since Fox, Sheik, and Marth isn't the only good character in the game anymore or deal with deeper matchups

>>381950389
>loses sales to piracy
>literally sold more than the Wii U

>>381951342
Yuo i bought the game 6 different times match me /v/ros

>>381950389
>piratefags
>not getting another mysterious banwave Nintendo unleashed a month ago

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>>381948043
Save the switch? Make this game exist would be a good start.

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>>381951635
>implying a ban will keep me for pirating any game even if its online only

>>381948043
>Classic more akin to original (or 3DS)
>All-Star, Event, and Multi-Man back as they were in Wii U
>Adventure mode that combines the gameplay of Brawl's with the settings of Melee's
>release an adapter for GameCube controllers (or those Wii Pro Controllers that resembled GC controllers)
>Make Lucina, Dr Mario, and Dark Pit costumes for other characters, bring back everybody else
>Stage hazard switch

>>381951109
>Play melee with try hard friends
>Pick low tiered character
>Get laughed at for not choosing meta characters
>Win several times in the night because they don't know jack shit about the match up because no one plays it

>>381948263
do returning characters count as "new?"

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>>381948043
Make this beautiful creature playable.

>>381954242
I guess not. Why?
Only remaining returnee I want to see is the Ice Climbers. We don't need any more Pokemon, Wolf would require a lot of retooling,
and Snake is probably impossible now.

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Include all DLC
Add in all the 3DS + Wii U stages
Bring Ice Climbers back
Add unique Break the Targets for each character back
Add Inkling, Spring Man, Ridley or Sylux, and a Gen 7/8 Pokemon
Add Smash Run except let people actually interact with each other in the first phase

More comboing potential.

>>381948263
If ANY fighting game implements the kind of debug controls that Project M did, much less an official Smash game, I will eat my hat.

Seriously, those were the best thing to ever happen to the game from a lab perspective.

>>381955041
I fail to see the appeal for Ridley. isn't there anybody else they could add from metroid that wouldn't cause debates over the legitimacy of shrinking?

My biggest problem with the Melee air dodge is how bad it is as a defensive move.

I wouldnt mind it coming back if we got air Shields and that was the dodge mechanic in the air.

>>381955614
I'd like to see a platform fighter implement a universal anime air dash. The entire subgenre is about maneuverability, so why not?

>>381953830
that's why i rarely care about the meta. not like there's that many good foxes out there.

>>381955735
Smash Crusade kind of has that.

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>>381955041
wrong image

>>381951342
The systems are bought, but the games aren't.

>>381948043
If we're talking about a port of the Wii U version:
>All current DLC characters included
>New DLC developed in future
>"Simple" versions of stages instead of just final destination versions
>All stages from both the 3DS and Wii U versions included

If we're talking about an entirely different game:

>If possible, all characters from Wii U/3DS, potentially more as DLC later on
>Faster gameplay (attacks are faster, recoveries from doing aerial moves is severely reduced, et cetera)
>Heavier, tighter physics
>Fuck L-Cancelling, fuck wavedashing, don't bother with any of that shit, just make the game tight and fast on it's own

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>>381955449
>isn't there anybody else they could add from metroid that wouldn't cause debates over the legitimacy of shrinking?
Sylux and his has enough time and reasons to join in for Metroid's share in Smash

>>381955998
So brawl+ then.

>>381956059
Gonna be honest, I haven't played Brawl+, but if that's what it is, then sure.

>>381948043
Don't fill 90% of the roster with fucking Fire Emblem.

>>381955143
where i'm coming from is something like roy's inclusion in melee vs wiiu/3ds
he went from being a straight up clone to the lucas and falco to marth's ness and fox
same deal with mewtwo, sorta

i.e., thanks to the new engine the character would more or less have to be remade in order to cooperate and balance with said engine and the other fighters therein, so it's basically a new yet familiar character in both composition and feel; same moveset, but not the same values for everything

i know i might be nitpicky but its still worth thinking about imo

>>381948043
No more straight clones; all previous clone characters are now simply skins. Only clones that significantly different enough like Falco and arguably Ganondorf can stay
Pig Ganon added
Subspace Emissary
Update old characters entirely who were never that great to be better (Jigglypuff, Donkey Kong, Ganondorf)
DLC Characters are returned for free
Snake returns
Ice Climbers returns
Ms. Pacman skin for Pacman

>>381956063
https://youtu.be/t08icOlqzGA?t=663

>>381956395
>tfw i initially thought it was isaac from tboi

>>381956173
https://youtu.be/G8dlQmAe4N8

This was the precursor to Project M, and was built by the same team. The philosophy was to make Brawl a more competitive game without making it like Melee.

>>381948043
Make it play 100% like melee.

>>381956063
that square handle and hand guard(?) look bad

I want better crowd chants; 4's were abysmal.

>>381955981
and? again, 3DS version sold more than Wii U

>>381950271
>more fire emblem
How boring. A fucking Call of Duty character would be more interesting in comparison.

>>381956546
People will just find one thing wrong with the game and will say it's just an inferior version of Melee.

>>381948043
>Redesign a some of the clones. There is absolutely no reason for Ganondorf, the company's second most iconic villain behind Bowser, to be a clone of a character from a totally different franchise.
>More single player stuff, including a story. "You'll just look up all the cutscenes on youtube!" was a lazy ass excuse.
>Simon Belmont.
>Shantae
>Bomberman
>Another Donkey Kong character. You have a dozen possible candidates, use one.
>More stage variety. Smash Bros U canned a lot of the fun stages in favor of "Three-four platforms with a stage hazard or two"
>More indepth stage creator. Mario Maker tier at least.

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>>381948043
GET RID OF SMASH TOUR. NO ONE WANTED IT. IT'S NOT FUN. Me and a friend played it once, and afterwards we had no desire to come back to it. It seems like it's the case for most people, even casuals, who try it out; it's a "neat" gimmick before it's completely ignored.

Smash Run was far more interesting, and it would be significantly better on a main console and being able to interact with other players/choose the events you want to go for. If the map and the events afterwards were more fleshed out, it'd be far more enjoyable to come back to.

>>381956536
Oh yeah, I knew about Brawl+, I just never got around to playing it sadly.

I loved Project M, though, maybe it's worth seeing how well Dolphin runs to try this as well.

>>381955981
>outsold shitlee

>>381956063
This is probably the worst render Smashified has ever made.

>>381956664
PM and SD Remix are proof of this

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My boy Wario needs his partner. Replace Waluigi's assist trophy with Nabbit.

All content in one game.

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Hi.

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>>381956750
>not this

>>381957005
get a new game first

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>>381948043
Balance for the game should be buffing the weakest/weaker characters in the game rather than just nerfing the top tiers (the exception being if there's a mechanic that does actually break the game). I'm talking looking at the characters that don't perform as well and providing buffs, whether that's more damage, giving them less end lag to their moves, making them faster, what have you. Stop going to the Blizzard philosophy of "nerf the best class/character/whatever to the ground to the point of it being useless so no one complains about it."

>>381957028
That one is shit, but atleast it doesn't looks like FF7 prerendered cutscenes.

>>381955143
>Wolf would require a lot of retooling,

wut?

>>381948263
4 is much more fun than Melee when it comes to mechanics and gameplay. Melee does have it beat when it comes to modes, though.

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>>381956905
>>381957028
>He thinks these literally whos are getting in before Nintendo's next big mascot

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My beautiful, lovely wife can save Smash!

>>381949589
>Keep custom moves in
>Make it easier to unlock them IE through a shop or even as a cash purchase
>Put more effort into them than "goes higher but no damage"
I actually really liked that garbage for fucking around with.

>>381957179
>but atleast it doesn't looks like FF7 prerendered cutscenes.
sounds pretty faithful and "nostalgic" to Golden Sun's pre-rendered shit

>>381957237
Splatoon came out a few months before Smash 4 and yet the Inklings never made it in on launch.

>>381957263
this but with equipment as well
bundle everything with the trophy shop

>>381957237
but i wanted Sylux and both of those characters got a shot in Smash 5 as well.

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>>381948263
LITERALLY the only thing 4 needs is to take away ledge stealing and bring back Melee airdodges being an emergency oh shit button, that leaves you plumetting to your death if you blow it wrong. Also momentum carrying when you jump.

>There are people in this thread who still think Smash 4 isn't the most technically complex title in its series

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fa9T94DCQ4Q

>>381955895>>381956010

fuck this meme

>>381957250

How do you retool Peach? She should be more aggressive with worse recovery I think.

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>>381957250
>>381956905
delusional tastes

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>>381956868

>>381957467
>not pacman's 0-death shieldbreak punish

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>>381957608
>Ridleyfag already throwing a tantrum over Sylux
your days are soon to be numbered

>>381957651

Gen would be the ultimate glass cannon in my mind

He'd fire huge beams and float stationary in the air. But he'd be the lightest character (he's literally a doll)

>>381948043
They need to bring back some of the old mechanics from the melee era. I played some Smash4 today and it was immediately apparent why I got tired of playing that game. It devolves quickly into the old Brawl chessmatch of everyone tossing out their safest possible move and then waiting for someone to fuck up. There's plenty of strategy but the lack of combos and punishment makes every match this attrition-based nightmare. Melee has so much more fun stuff to do and combat that rewards skilled players with satisfying combos.

>>381957657
SD Remix literal fixes the balance of shitty Melee and even made all the low-tiers good and decent as Fox

yet no one prefers it over Melee because muh mod

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>>381956703
Am I the only one who thinks smash run is fun?

>>381957250
This.

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>>381948189
This.

>>381948263
This.

You're not a gamer if you want anything else.

>>381957993
you're not alone. it really need online co-op

>>381950271
Goku. Forgot Goku.

And Ridley.

>>381957215
So he's more distinct.

>>381950802
This, Melee elitists are a bunch of faggots.

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>>381958082
>wanting to be a "gamer"

>>381948043
Add Simon Belmont.

Literally just this.

honestly just bring back jump momentum. The games feel clunky and slow without it. I could handle no wavedashing but not having jump momentum is simply game ruining

>>381948263
>Autists still not understanding why Wave Dashing got removed

>>381958221
He's the most distinct clone in the entire series.

>>381958339
They need to take out the current airdodge system too, unless you're at 0% there's very little chance you'll land a combo followup with a significant portion of the roster.

>>381958491
That's not the airdodge, that's hitstun canceling.

>>381955449
space pirate
The ones from Prime 1 had a badass electro sythe with a variety of attacks, blasters, jetpacks, glowing eyes that leave a particle/light trail, they're perfect for Smash Bros

>>381958221
He's more distinct from Fox than fucking Falco is.

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>>381957608
fuck your overgrowned lizard

Let me use the D-Pad for movement. That's all.
I just vastly prefer digital to analog, it's not like we need 360 degrees of control to move in 8 directions. Some people might not like it, fine, but there's no reason not to have it as an option. We know it works because that's how wiimotes work, but god damn is the dpad on the wiimote/gamecube controller awful. The switch actually has some really good tactile buttons, so It'd be stupid if they're relegated to taunting again.

>>381958882
Smash is all about the analog stick though.

>>381958882
how will you roll the dpad though? Good luck doing anything remotely precise

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>>381948263
melee fag

>>381959237
At least he isn't pushing for L-Canceling.

>>381959329
melee was a mistake

>>381957993
>mix speed and strength
>level 3 spinning blades
Good times. goood times

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honestly Wolf's Up+B or Side Special needs to be changed or upgraded

Zero had him using a new wolfen/lone wolf technique called Lightining Tornado so would be cool if he had that as a rush move in Smash Bros.

>>381959237
You know that pic has adv brawl/ early3ds Sm4sh tech in it right?

>>381948043

>Single player mode akin to Adventure mode from Melee
>Inkling, Spring Man, Ice Climbers

That's all I want

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>>381959451
>honestly Wolf's Up+B or Side Special needs to be changed or upgraded

he needs to actually be in the fucking game before that

>>381959616
>>he needs to actually be in the fucking game before that
and?

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>>381959441
>final event is footrace
>my speed is ass but my special is fucking nuts
>playing Bowser Jr and everyone just takes off in front of me
>use side special and take off like a rocket on wheels
>run everyone's ass over
>opponents catch up and pass me during platforming course
>use side special again on that last stretch and run their asses over again
>1st place

>>381948043
Do the opposite to whatever meleefags say.

>>381959451
I unironically find wolf flash's sweet spot deeply satisfying to land so no touchie

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>>381959434
>Melee invented L-cancelling

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>>381948043
Well you don't need to release it for a few more years. You're leading a console launch with a Zelda, 3D Mario, and Splatoon in the first year, with Metroid, Yoshi, Kirby, and Pokemon in the second year. Holy fuck, hold your horses. Smash 4 stopped getting content last year and it ended with 58 fucking characters.

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this pic will never not be wrong for Zelda in Smash

L-Canceling is the only bad mechanic in Melee.

It's not happening. They wait any longer, and they'll be pushing smash 5 too far back, and every smash game from now on will be right at the end of the console cycle, and its life will be cut short by the new console. This E3 made or broke it

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>>381959237
>wanting DACUS back makes you a Meleefag
i really wished Wi-Fi and PM didn't kill off any trace of the Brawl competitive scene.

it was really starting to get good after this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQsivruSEEE

>>381959962
>wanting to be stuck in long landing animations ruining combo and pressure

The only thing wrong with L-canceling is it's not as effective as Z-calnceling.

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>>381955326
This

>>381959886
The zelda team can easily make botw look for dorf and sheik. Heck BOTW sheik's design already exists in game

>>381960126
PM kept DACUS didn't it?

>>381960137
It should be automatic, even the PM team didn't have a hard stance on this issue and made it an option.

>>381951109
>nerfing samus for no reason

>>381948043
It's already in the works.
It's just a port of the Wii U version with DLC, and the 3DS stages and Smash Run carried over. Wolf and Ice Climbers return, but no new-newcomers. At least not at the moment.

>>381960256
>PM kept DACUS didn't it?
yeah and it heavily utilized in that more so than wavedashing

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>>381948751
I play on 3ds and am good

watcha gonna do about it? :^)

>>381957250
Why did they add Cloud when she exists

>>381960256
>It should be automatic

Nah, what needs to happen is landing lag is cut across the board for easy Bnb's, but the more complex and optimal combo's require L-canceling

>>381960343
>look ma, i can LARP too.

>>381948043
Fix the characters that were neutered due to the 3DS version

Can teleport rolls and doges be kill?

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>>381960368
>dat flip

>>381948043
No port is the only way.

>>381948263
Fuck off meleefag

>>381960793
see >>381960126 >>381959768

>>381959768
It's the first game that implemented. 64 has Z-cancelling, and before you >one letter makes it different, Z-cancelling removes ALL lag from aerials instead of halving it.

>>381948751
We know for a fact that the 3DS version gimped the Wii U version of Sm4sh. Soccereye confirmed that Ice Climbers were cut because muh 3ds.
And let's be real, they wasted resources making a 3ds port that could have been spent making the Wii U version feel less lackluster. As it is now, we have a two games who's singleplayer feels half assed at best.

>>381960126
Who the fuck would want DACUS back in?

>>381961065
who doesn't? you got a problem with it?

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>>381956063
no

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>3DS took away resources from the Wii U version
>3DS version was far better

>>381948043
>5 fire emblem characters that play similar

It can't be saved

>>381961065
>i wasn't around since Smash 4 3DS was launched
ever since Sakurai patched out DACUS, a shitton of people started to get angry the fact Brawl's equivalent to wavedash was out of the game for no fucking reason.

if you didn't want it in, why put it in the first place? fucking hack

>>381948043
Remove Wii Shit Trainer, Villager, Corrin, Lucina, the Doc, Dark Pit Bayonetta, and Cloud. Make the pseudo-clones actual characters of their own and balance the game next. If there's a lot of budget and time left over, go back and rebalance the game again you gook faggot.

>>381961291
>3DS Smash cucked PiiU Smash
good, Smash Tour was shitty.

>>381961336
>5 FE characters that play similar
kek what? The FE characters play nothing alike, aside from Marth and Male Marth. What a scrub.

>>381961065
>C-STICKS ARE CHEATING GUYS! NO C-STICKERS ALLOWED
2003 called, they want their arguments back

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>>381961408
>cutfags

>>381961291
3DS version has all the stages I want in the WiiU version. Half the stages on the WiiU have a bunch of hazards that go far and beyond annoying to play with. Give me something like Corneria or Jungle Japes where the map mechanics aren't intrusive.

>>381961561
Fine, keep them all in but make them so bad nobody will ever want to play them :^)

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>>381957993
>Max out attack while playing as Ganondorf
>Glorious Smash

>>381961651
>remove dr mario again for literally no reason
fuck you

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>>381961658
>catastrophic thinking

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>>381948043
The inevitable newcomers.

Also to not buff defensive-gameplay so much.

>>381960967
Its the same thing it was just nerfed in Melee, are you going to call Fox's Shine a different move because it was nerfed in brawl?

>>381957993
>Am I the only one who thinks that this beloved mode, cited as one of the advantages of having the 3ds versions, is good?
You fucking idiot.

>>381950930
>>381959441
>Just playing as sonic with max speed and praying for the race.

>>381961065
Greninja mains.

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reminder

Xenoblade will get 3 characters before DK thanks to its recent releases
Metroid will get 3 characters before DK thanks to the build up for Sylux and Metroid Prime 4 (his game)

not a single complaint will be said since everyone will be busy laughing at kuckfags and ridleycucks and bitching about Fire Emblem 15/Switch's protagonist joining Smash

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>>381961861
>K Roolfags still think that he will ever be in the game when Sakurai is involved

>>381948043
>rayman playable

Just make it so every character cant recover from anywhere offstage and decrease the time to kill. Im fucking tired of needing to get people up to atleast 130% just to be able to attempt to secure a stock in sm4sh

fuck of op and all other fags.

maybe they could just make smash 5.

>>381962137
So half a person maybe?

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>>381961479
And 3DS kept your control scheme as the default instead of needing you to change it back every time you turn the console on like in USmash.
Also the trophy shop in U kept selling trophies you already had and having two of the same trophy for sale at the same time while the 3DS trophy shop worked fine.

>>381961896
that's probably a good idea considering the move has a real name, when I think of shine I think 'attack that always has exact same knockback with zero startup time', which is NOT what Brawl/4s Reflector attack is

>>381961861
>wonder red
I fucking wish.
At this point I just wish for this series to die so we can get a real fighting game going.

>>381962137
>beaten in the anime
>narutoad will never be good in Smash again
>already cucked out of Pokken DX
RIP Greninja

>>381962234
>And 3DS kept your control scheme as the default instead of needing you to change it back every time you turn the console on like in USmash.
Are you telling me you didn't save a control scheme to a nickname?

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>>381948263
Wavedashing is a glitch not a feature. It's goofy-looking and is too much of a rite of passage for competitive play. Sakurai shut it down for this good reason.
Momentum would be a welcome return though.

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>>381962356
>Capcom vs Nintendo happens
>it's shit like Infinite, not good as MvC2 or TvC

>>381962548
>being able to move backwards without turning around is too much of a "rite of passage"
literally what are you even talking about?

>>381948043
With glitches to make it more hardcore.

>>381961861
>>381962356

Come on m8s, you know that Blunder Red has the same problem as Ridley, his attacks are several times bigger than his body.

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>>381962150
Guess it's a good thing Sakurai quit Smash for good.

Jap devs still hate western shit showing them up though.

>>381948263
New characters are the fun part

>>381962548
>>381962683
also
>it has it's own unique animation name in the game files
not a glitch in the slightest, some cheeky guy probably snuck it in without hackurai even noticing

>>381962750
>Blunder Red
You delete this right now.
If you really want to save Smash kill all the meleebabies

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>>381962548
>ima pull shit out of my ass just to teach dem evil meleefags, that oughta show em!
quite funny a "glitch" is something you could even turn on and off in the debug menu. right faggot?

>>381962507
I did, I can see I phrased that post badly. I meant the 3DS version kept the last nickname you played as the default control scheme, so if you played as "Anon" then it stays set to that until you select differently. While the Wii U always reverts to the default controls every time you turn the game off, so you often end up going into a match with the controls different to how you like them.

>>381962548
>Sakurai shut it down for this good reason.

Because he's a hack, all he had to do was make WD easier to do if he wanted to appeal to casuals.

>>381962845
So it's not a glitch, it just wasn't supposed to be in the game at all, that's better.

>>381962805
I would prefer Dixie Kong honestly.

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>>381962137
>>381962426
Personally I've had no troubles maining him still, even if Sheik still beats out most characters.

Also cancelling hydro-pump into water-balls to throw off enemy recoveries for easy f-aerials are still satisfying.

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>>381962750
can't be anymore bullshit than Palutena's Upper Smash

>>381962586
Don't scare me like that.

>>381962750
I wonder if Sakurai genuinely thinks that he couldn't make a playable fighter out of Wonder Red.

>>381963192
Shit like this makes me wonder.

>>381963049
no. he only took out wavedash and l(and)-cancel because "muh newblood need to explore NEW things" and shit

see >>381962994

>>381963192
I dont have a problem with Ridley being in smash, but I think sakurai is honestally right when he says Ridley is too big. I feel like he would just look goofy if he was shrunk down from his actual size, even if he was the biggest character

>>381962750
>ARMS character in Smash
>all his/her attack are much longer than Corrin's Dragon Fang or some shrunken down Ridley's tail stab

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Add these niggas and it's saved

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I chose the impossible.

>>381963458

Maybe do something like with Bayonetta, and make it so that the fists have retarded reach but after a certain distance it loses knockback.

Did anyone ever actually ask Sakurai why Snake was cut?

>>381963458
at this point, i hope Smash 5 have bigger stages so projectile-only characters, fighters with long reaches, and colossal fighters can have a shot for once

>>381963719
Snake is jewish.

>>381963173
is it bad that you really wanna fuck a giant frog girl,

>>381963719
Konami was being a bag of dicks.

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>>381963461
>Add Crono
>make alternate palettes and costumes Goku and DQ Protags

>>381963719
Kojima said in a MGSV stream he wanted Sakurai to re-add him at any cost
>"Prease add Snake."

>>381960126
This was fucking dumb.

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>>381948043
Why bother speculating? We all know the next Smash will much worse than the last one. Sakurai has lost his touch.

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>>381961861
>Deshitueye
He's already in Pokken, i.e. the game no one cares about. Smash is reserved for the real hero of gen 7.

>>381963338
that's a halfassed non explanation.

The real reason is that wavedashing was never an intended mechanic and sakurai would have had to go out of his way to preserve it. it doesn't help that it's ugly because people are nonsensically sliding around without proper animations

>>381964119
Weird to think Frank appeared in two different games on a Nintendo console.

>>381960126
back then when hacked builds of Brawl was allowed in tourneys

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>>381963962
I gave up on sanity a long time ago.

>>381964171
>Not even a popular UB.
Nihilego has more of a chance.

>>381962750
Please nigger, it's not gonna be 100 heroes uniting up. It'll be like Wonder Red vs Blue.

>>381964232
>that's a halfassed non explanation.
>proceeds to give out an even more half-ass explanation
another reason why not to listen to the Smash fanbase.

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>Meter management with Supers (with power on the level of Mac's KO Punch/Wario Waft/Finishing Touch/Bayo's Witch Time)
>Air dodges like Melee, except a pinch faster and you can act out of them
>Wavedashing is just a dash, like how dashes function in MvC. Actually, "officially" integrated into the gameplay with just one button instead of an engine exploit

please

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I don't expect this to happen and I don't think my idea is realistic.

Bring back all the cut characters, Ice Climbers, Squirtle, Ivysaur, Wolf, Pichu, and if legally possible, Snake. Outside of that, the game only needs a handful of actual newcomers. ARMS guy and Inkling are obvious, but outside of that only bring in like 2-3 more people (trying to keep my desires reasonable).

This is 10-11 more characters, one of them a clone in Pichu and half of them have previously established movesets. That isn't asking for too much.

After that, make a lot more tournament legal stages. I'd ask for the ability to turn off hazards but Sakurai has specifically said he didn't want exactly that before. So okay, if you don't want exactly that, then make more stages with the competitive scene in mind. It doesn't hurt anyone to have a larger amount of neutral stages so I don't think it's pandering, casualfags either won't notice or won't mind.

Lastly, implement custom moves better and it's perfect.

>>381964472
This. Smash balls are such a fucking waste of a super mechanic.

>>381964463
how is the game engine being entirely different a half assed explanation? The physics aren't the same between games. Why would a physics based engine quirk be kept?

>>381964537
Smash Balls are fun, faggot. If you want supers then you can play a real fighter.

>>381948043
By releasing smash 5 made with the switch in mind instead of a port of the wii u version

Instead of adding alot more fighters rework alot of the old ones so they are more unique/interesting/viable.

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Easy

Reboot.
No clones.
Cut Roster down to ~25
Only Mario gets more than 3 characters
Add Inklings and Spring Man
Cut almost all of the guest characters
Hidden Characters: rebuilt Luigi, Lucas, Little Mac, G&W, Captain Falcon

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>>381948043
Buff Zelda
>Make here Phantom storable
>Make Din's Fire faster and more reliable
>Increase her weight
>Reduce frame data for most of her attacks
>Increase hitboxes of Nayru's Love
>Autocancel lightning kicks

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>>381959886
>my boy Ganondorf will never not be low-tier
>he will always be a character that survives on the shittiness of his opponents

>>381964696
Not an argument.

>>381965203
Or just rework her altogether, she feels like a complete mishmash of a character in smash 4

Like, I can think of a character in smash 4 and define what their playstyle is, whats good about them, how their moveset fits together, ect.

But with zelda it just feels like they have no idea what kind of character she actually is. None of her specials are good at all, and lightning kicks are dumb because most other characters have kill moves that are way easier to land.

>>381965162

>cut the roster by more than half
>remove all the guest characters
>cutting most people's mains

You trying to come up with ideas to make everyone hate the game or something?

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>>381964359
maybe the pokemon that carried gen 7 by itself?

>>381948189
fpbp

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>never

>>381948043

Here is my idealized prediction:

A new, possibly temporary director is brought on board because Sakurai has made his peace with the series. The game will possess all of the DLC of the original, as well as minor new stuff such as new music/trophies/modes/etc. New fighters will be Ice Climbers, Inkling, Wolf, Bomberman (moveset will be a slight callback to Solid Snake), and some other character nobody was expecting.

Aside from that there will be minor bugfixes and graphical updates, as well as a large balance update that will make the game slightly more fluid and geared towards quick execution.

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>>381958491
Sakurai made it where most characters have no combos unless they use his preferred throw to X flowchart or several u-tilts at low.

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>>381967403
>idealized
>port of smash 4

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>>381965461
Ganondorf relies on exploiting flowcharts and earning his wins by severely outplaying his opponents with difficult exchanges in neutral Jim Jam.

>>381967585

It's going to be an updated port, just like every other definitive Wii U game. Making a completely new Smash would take too long and Nintendo wants the Switch to have a strong library as fast a possible.

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Balance changes and additional content are great, but as somebody who's played Smash 4 continually since it came out, I think I can attest to more than a few quality of life improvements that really ought to be made.

>let the players customize controls on the character select screen
>change the "READY TO FIGHT" banner on the CSS so that it doesn't block the bottom row of characters
>organize characters on CSS according to game they come from
>organize stage select screen so that all stages appear on one page (if possible)
>pressing Y on stage select screen not only allows you to edit your music settings for stages, but also allows you to override those music setting to choose which song is going to play in the upcoming match
>CPU AI improved to DI out of combos
>give the player more controls over CPU behavior in training mode
>have training mode use the same knockback formula as the rest of the game
>random stage select applies to training mode as well as smash mode
>replace For Glory with actual ranked matches
>make online tournaments play 6 minute matches instead of 3 minute matches
>option to turn off sudden death in the rules menu (this is always set to "off" when playing ranked)
>"Alpha Stages" option to remove stage hazards from most if not all stages

That's just a few I can roll off the top of my head. Any other ideas would be welcome.

>>381968562
>mario odyssey is a port

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>>381967825
>tfw you get 4-stocked out of your second round in pools but remember that your opponent was playing a dishonest character

>>381970375
How about
>clicking on player name in the CSS doesn't turn you into a CPU
Also, let me footstool sandbag

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Fuck the Pokémon themselves. We need this character as a newcomer.

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>>381971730
those eyes looks wrong to me for some reason

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Have this character finally be playable.

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Either him or Ray 01 as full fledged characters. Justify the fact they're the same size as most of the humanoid cast by revisiting the whole "Smash Bros characters are all toys" thing from the first game.

The series could use some exposure again after the flop that was Arena. I'd definitely like a new Custom Robo game. LBX just hasn't quite been able to scratch that itch for me.