Are you a tank guy or a mech guy? Just curious.

>>381923901
>Are you a tank guy, a mech guy or a faggot Gundam guy?
FTFY

i pick all of the above

metal gear is actually referred to as "a bipedal tank"

i want a tank that handles like a mario kart

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>B Snek
>C metul geer
>kry

>>381923901
faggot gundam guy

name a single game that does tanks well

>>381923901
Faggot Gundam guy.

>>381923901
I'm a girl (male).

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Tanks

>>381923901
Mechs is the only way for me.

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Why not both?

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this is a kodiak. it likes hugs and close ranged combat.

>>381924604
Fuck off Bane

>>381924303
Same, wanna share clothes and try to pick up boys together?

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>>381924604
>MWLL
Damn it.

Gundam > Battletech

>>381924981
Opinion>Opinion

>>381923901
The rex is the only decent mech, and mostly because it's just a metal dinosaur

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Mech guy, I fucking love mechs, specifically customizing them. Any recent or upcoming games where I can customize mechs? last one I played was Front Mission Evolved but I didn't really enjoy it, kept forcing you to use specific parts and do those shitty on foot sections plus all the bosses I fought were not fun at all

>>381923901
mechs are stupid.
tanks are far superior

>>381925459
I wanna see Miyazaki's new Armored Core.

Jap mech. If you're prepared to except the handwaves / technobabble that allows something like a gundam to exist then it's an obvious pick over a tank.

Western mecha a la battletech on the other hand have nothing over an equivalent tank.

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>>381923901
Mech

>>381926521
but why can't tanks use these handwaves / technobabble in Gundam?

>>381926759
Because the main handwave in Gundam specifically requires limbs

Tanks in Gundam do use the magical reactors and particle beams, but they don't have 'muh AMBAC'

>>381923901
More of a tank guy, I also like mechs, but not the Gundam style.

Also, WHO WHERE Z O I D S

tbqh I actually like tanks more, but mech games/series ALWAYS have a superior tone/setting

Hardly anyone gets creative with tanks. Where are the fantasy magitech tanks? Where are the hot-blooded tank superheroes? Where's the Ace Combat of tanks?

>>381926759

I'm going off of hazy memories here but the two handwaves in UC gundam that allow mobile suits to exist are A) The minovsky reactor that allows them the power they need and B) a special computer system that allows the suit a human range of motion without the need for ridiculously complex controls. The tanks could in theory gain the benefit of the first but not the latter. Not that it matters that much in Gundam in particular because there are units that blur the lines, eg. Guntank and Hildolfr.

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>Tanks or mechs

Space ships

>>381927358
Not to mention that mobile suits didn't exactly make tanks obsolete in UC

They use both

Variable fighter > tank and mech

>>381923901
Is this how Metal Gear Rex would be used in a warfield? Like, Tanks and choppers aren't used like that either.

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>>381926759
They probably can, but 90% of the fighting happens outside the atmosphere

>>381923901

Whichever one provides better gameplay.

Right now, despite it's early problems, MWO is leagues better than WoT or WT.

I'm actually having a lot of fun with it, and it isn't nearly as grindy as any of the current breed of tank games.

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>>381923901
A flyer guy.

>>381926947
Here.

>>381924604
Are people still playing? Last time i logged in it was just me and another anon taking turns on who's a mech and who's the elemental.

Why not both? War machines are best machines.

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>>381923901
Mecha guy.

>>381927690

it launches nukes with a rail gun, why the hell would it be on the front line

>>381923901
Mechs have the unfair advantage of being a fantasy of engineering. If an equal amount of money was spent on a tank, a tank could have smart missiles which could just lock onto a mech and destroy it instantly

>>381928714
If missile technology is that good, why have vehicles at all?

Tanks > Mechs
Mech games > Tank games

truth

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These bad 'bots right here are more fun to lay down hot death with than any tank. How many tanks mount a combination of lasers, missiles, and cannons?

>>381928714

True. And they all have the advantage of being virtual representations in a video game that aren't beholden to the limitations of real physics or economics.

Besides, in MWO at least you can mount anti-missile defense systems that shoot down incoming missiles with machine guns. Laser versions incoming with next months patch.

>>381928867
Cause humans still have a desire for rip and tear.

While Mechs look cool. Tanks are simply more practical weapons of war. Especially when you compared the resources required to make a good mech as opposed to what you could do with all that had you spent it on more and better tanks

>>381929156
>How many tanks mount a combination of lasers, missiles, and cannons?
In battletech? A lot more than mechs.

>>381929156
Bolos do

Bolo game when

>>381928867
Limited space for ammo. Plus some things just are not cost effective to use a missile on.

>>381929291

Sure, in battletech lots of tanks do.

As far as I know though, there is only one battletech game where you can actually use tanks and it's pretty ded.

>>381924604
that was a terrible webm that showed nothing, please refrain from posting it ever again.

>>381923901

They're both good.

>>381929293

A bolo isn't really a tank.

It's kind of like a Mary Sue war machine.

>>381923982
>Dissing Gundam

What the hell man, what did it do to you?

>>381929738
It went full animu.

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>>381930002

>>381930002
Not really

More like it released a full animu spinoff without affecting the main series

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>>381929738

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>>381926759
>>381927358
Don't forget that the Minovsky Reactor, used in both mobile suits and in battleships, disperses a fuckton of electromagnetic radiation. This radiation completely shuts down civilian-based electrical equipment, makes communication require a tonne of short range checkpoints and disables the ability for anything to track targets such as homing missiles. This is the reason the Gundam universe essentially reverted back to dogfighting and close range ship-to-ship warfare with boarding parties.

>>381928676
if it's just a glorified cannon then why does it even need legs? Isnt the nuke launching railgun enough?

>>381923982
All 3, except without the insecurity that you drag alongside of it

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>>381930116
A reminder that Build Fighters is one of the best Gundam series ever made.

>>381923901
Ships and planes are better than both.

>>381923901
I like them all. I like Gundam. I like WW2 tanks. I like planes. I like mechwarrior/battletech. They're all awesome weapons of destruction.

>>381923901
do I really have to choose? it's like choosing between cake or pie

>>381930361
It's a shame they never made a second season.

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>>381929156
>How many tanks mount a combination of lasers, missiles, and cannons?

>>381923901
Tank.

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I'm more of a mobile infantry person.

>>381930819
Fuck that, fuck that thing very hard with 4 dozen rocket militias.

>>381923901
Tanks are superior, just shoot the mechs leg off and that's it lmao

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>differentiating Metal Gears from tanks
Fucking idiot.

A Metal Gear is literally an advanced walking battle tank, it doesn't have the same kind of maneuverability as a fucking Gundam, or Evangelion or whatever.

>>381931493
>Evangelion
>Mecha

>>381931493
>edgygelion
>mecha
yeah okay bub

>>381923982
>faggot Gundam guy?

This guy gets it.

Sieg Zeon, Zaku is life

>>381923901
Mech. Armored core is better than every tank game rolled together into one.

>>381931926
>not gouf

neither
it's cooler when the destructive forces are human-sized

>>381931646
>>381931784
What would you call it then?
I suppose it's a bit different than the mechs in the early Gundam series but it's still fairly in the vein of a traditional Japanese mecha.

>>381930105
went to this>>381930137
abandoned this>>381930232

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>>381923901
I'm the guy that blows both tanks and mechs the fuck up

>>381932087
gouf is cool too. Especially the custom. I just like the zeon aesthetic in general.

>>381930801
Its fine Red boy impregnated his waifu.

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tank guy.

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>>381931926
SIEG ZION, COMRADE.

>tfw all your first Gunpla were variants of the Zaku
>Zaku I
>Zaku II
>Zaku II Mine Layer
>Char's Commander
>Ramba Ral's Gouf

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>>381923901
>not having both at once
Run home to mommy.

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>>381932216
Mike?

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>>381923982
Tank guy sir

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>>381931493
No, pic related is a walking tank.

Even Metal Gear REX is anime as fuck by the time you could actually pilot it in MGS4, given that you go ahead and kick another giant mecha in the face with it. The other giant mecha in question looking and acting like an oversized dinosaur-chicken hybrid.

>>381932205
Gundam has had massive beam weaponry and general anime faggotry since as far back as the 1990s.

>>381923901
tank
I got realtech autism.

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>>381932216
Yeah, Choppers pretty much render mechs obsolete. What can a mech do that a tank and chopper couldn't?

>>381932612
yes it did. But Gundam today bleeds beams from all orifice in every color.

Too much glaze, not enough grit

>>381932803
Faster to start up from cold standby
Remain on active standby without wasting so much fuel
Larger assortment of weaponry, failing that it can rely on brute strength alone
Higher durability
Higher psychological impact on the enemy

>>381932559
>Even Metal Gear REX is anime as fuck
It still had a real clunky, tangible feel to it though.

Shit like the Qubeley and Hyaku Shiki in Zeta Gundam never felt like they'd exist in real life but I'd say Rex could be built today though it'd probably be useless.

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>>381932765
>blows your tank up with a guided missile from beyond the horizon

It's nothing personal kid

>>381930116
Ok not the dude your replying too, but god damn I love the UC Gundam, brutal as fuck. I mean fuck, that first episode has at least scores of children getting sent into a battle that they get mowed down in.

The Og series has a lot of themes that would strike a cord with post trump youth if they ever get around to a remake. Knowing people they would just remake it with too much pc bullshit and some one (probably earth leadership) would look like Trump.

Guess what color Char would be and if he gets redemtion or just plain badguy.

I really enjoy the gundam rx 78 2 mk 2. It's one of my favorite designs.

I also love the Baneblade battle tank.

I really love the Black Knight, Templar and Mad Cat mechs as well.

R8 my tastes

>>381926947
Fuck yeah dude. Zoids were the shit.

>>381932450
I was expecting a gif.
Anon, you had ONE FUCKING job.

>>381932881
Go watch Iron Blooded Orphans, the main Gundam is either using a long range projectile cannon or a sword/mace. Hell even when it starts becoming more and more OP by the end of the series it's still relying on physical weaponry over beam weapons.

>>381932216

This is Pequod! Arriving shortly at LZ

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best mech coming through, get outta the way

>>381930232
Crazy isnt it, neither side would give that shit up just in case the other side doesn't.

>>381933318
>roaches

>>381933108
>shoots down your missiles
Pssh, nothing personellé, chopper

>>381929467
It showed combined arms warfare, which was the point of the post.

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>>381933082
It'd only feel real if you'd play the footage in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wA02xxwaOH8 at something like half speed, because at the speed that shit is going it's completely beyond material capabilities.

>>381933063
>mech do what a chopper AND TANK couldn't
Tanks do everything mecha do, better.
You (do not) see pic related from a mile away, then it blows a hole through you. You shoot at it and your ammo bounces off of the obscene armor on that particular paneling pointed right at you like it was popcorn. Congratz, the mecha has no relevant armor and is a massive target.

>>381933318
I fail to see why this mech needs arms. With the weapons being built into the limb, it would be simpler and more cost effective to just mount the cannons on the shoulders.

>>381933108
>wut re anti-air missiles
Guess who's getting a slap from beyong the horizon first.

>>381930801
No anon it happened and you can't unwatch it, if you don't acknowledge it exists they'll never fix what they did wrong.

>>381923901
>tfw will never get a full-fledged Metal Gear War game

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>>381933063
>Faster to start up from cold standby
There is no way a fucking giant mecha is going to spin up any faster than a well drilled ground crew spinning up a pre-fueled attack chopper
>Remain on active standby without wasting so much fuel
A chopper can land basically anywhere a mech could operate.
>Larger assortment of weaponry, failing that it can rely on brute strength alone
I think I chopper has a mech outclassed. It stocks guided and unguided missiles and a head tracking autocannon capable of punching through basically any armor
>Higher durability
One hit to a mech's leg and it's going down. A chopper can still operate with only half it's rotors
>Higher psychological impact on the enemy
If I saw a giant mech I'd more more inclined to pull an ESB and trip it up. Small arms fire is basically ineffective against an attack chopper. You need specially guided munitions that are FAR harder to get ahold of. I'd be far more scared of a fleet of choppers than a squad of battle mechs.

>>381932159
They're not even robots nigga.

>>381930801
OVA soon.

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>>381933268

>>381933580
>Congratz, the mecha has no relevant armor and is a massive target

The thickness of armor plating on a mech is going to be significantly more than that of a tank. We're talking about a machine that at a minimum would have dozens upon dozens of nano-carbon plating, the only currently known material that would survive that sort of mass shifting. The stuff they originally planned to use in the space elevator before finding out it had only 66% of the strength required for a structure that massive.

>>381933648
Mechs are a stupid concept when you look at it from functionality standpoint.

There isn't any reason for making giant robots unless you want them to look like that. Mechs are strictly a fucking fantasy for tech nerds. People would look at Gundam and say "Hey, look at that fucking robot fighting the other robot with fucking beam swords like fucking star wars."

That's how I sell it to my anime fans who never saw it and they always buy it, and love it.

>>381933790
I hate mecha but you're an absolute dipshit. I'll give you the first point but even if a chopper could land anywhere, it fucking WON'T, because command would obliterate you for landing a chopper anywhere outside of the FOB unless your engines were flaming out. I'll give you the missiles too but the cannon on choppers is at best to be used against light or unarmored targets like infantry or trucks. Even a proper IFV or APC can shrug that ammo off. A chopper is also fragile as all hell, bullshit half its rotors. If a single one of those blades falls off, the rotor becomes unbalanced and tears itself to pieces. Psychological impact is a meme on all sides.

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>>381933790
The RX-78 series are made of Luna titanium and have beam weapons. Your chopper is invalid.

>>381934217
Made a tank from that, tank wins again.

>>381923901
I love it when mechs fight tanks.
Also a big armored core fan.

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>MechAssault 2 will never be ported to PC with functioning online.
It's not fair.

>>381923901

>dick

>>381934465
>Mech has the larger armament and still has the thicker armor, the tank has to work harder and is outgunned

Nope.

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>>381934217
Fuck no. When the mech can have that plating, the tank can have it too. It's just a plate, after all. The DESIGN of the mecha, all other things being equal in tech level, will make it inferior against the tank every time because there is no point to making the thing stand up tall when it can hide miles away behind a hill crest and nuke you with APFSDS uranium darts while being completely untouchable.

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>>381923901
I'm more of a Mech guy myself

>>381934804
The only good Battletech 'mechs are King Crab and Atlas

>>381934698
>When the mech can have that plating, the tank can have it too

The mech can have more, this is simple math. The mech is larger, ergo it can have more carbon plating.

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>>381932540
To be honest i dont even know why i have this game installed anymore.

World of tanks is turning into a pay to win shitfest and there is no real competition anymore so WG does not have to change.

As one of the few that have done the work and research to get a whole nation added to the game, it really sucks to see 3 years of work go to waste.

I loved Wot once but the game i wanted to support died long ago, and i can barely get any enjoyment out of playing it anymore.

sorry for the blogpost

>>381923901
I like more realistic mechs, but i do realize that mechs arent tactically useful so they'll nevel be adopted by any army

I never got the "just shoot the leg" argument.

Just shoot the treads.

Just shoot the rotors/wings.

It's harder said than done. Can you imagine trying to shoot a giant running robot if its speed wasn't pitiful?

>>381935094
At least Power Armor could happen, and Tankfuckers can't take that away from us.

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>>381934983
No, it in fact can't have more armor than the tank about its entire frame without weighing about a thousand tons. Modern tanks have brought that to an absolute peak of science. It will always have weakspots from the front. The tank turret has none.

>>381935406
Real powered armor won't be anything like in Halo or Ironman tho.

>>381923982
Do not disrespect me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqMhzcT2eO0

>>381935510
Mechs like gundam would only really make sense in space where weight means less.

But then you have to ask the question why not make fighters that are just that size?

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>>381935375
Oh yeah, shoot the treads.

You see pic related, anywhere from 250 to 1500 yards away.

Go ahead. Shoot the treads. This is the standard engagement type for tanks. Try doing that in a mech.

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Mechs

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>>381935753
Just shoot the leg.

>>381935406
exo skello teens are already at the peak performance for what tech allows, basically. They serve to reduce the strain of heavy loads being carried, and assist in lifting and long strides by reducing strain and lactic acid buildup. Other than that though, full on power armor is unlikely.

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>>381935616
Well good thing I don't want Halo or Ironman armor then.

>>381935510
The average mech in books/anime/video games weighs anywhere from 500 tons to 1000+

A single foot of a Ragnarok from Battletech or a Gundam is the size of a tank.

>>381935743
In Gundam, it's because having limbs supposedly lets them turn faster and using less fuel

This is considered more important than combat range because they launch them from carriers

>>381935753
>M-particle beam rifle
Done, and the whole rest of the tank is slag, too.

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>>381934394
What your CO says you can do and what actually happens in a theater of war are 2 entirely different things. You would read TALES HELICOPTER PILOT. During a mission the dude had most of a blade shredded. He landed the chopper in a field, removed the broken blade and the one across from it and flew back to base, albit with far less power. No military attack chopper is going to going to shake itself apart with just a single blade down. They are built for war, you know. And are you going to sit there and tell me that there is a single tank in existence right now that could take 10 rounds of 30mm APDU directly to the top?

It is you are are blinded by your own cynicism.

>>381935780
>the retarded new talent system killed the 2x lbx10 SHD-2P build I loved so much to use

It was a fucking machinegun shotgun. Was the final straw that made me at last drop MWO completely.

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>>381936248
> TALES OF A HELICOPTER PILOT

Derp

>>381935743
It doesn't make any fucking sense in space either unless you totally forget that f=m*a. In space, relativisitc kill vehicles make armor irrelevant, and since space is so empty, visual recon of your vheicle is enough to geot obliterated. Space warfare is such an utter clusterfuck that not even Minovsky particles can stop me from rolling my eyes at how little it makes sense.

>>381935963
As you can see, the entire vehicle is out of cover and the crew foolishly thinks that strapping a few trees as concealment to the thing is enough to save it. Tanks have thermal sights and see right through the foliage, to see the giant vehicle underneath. Especially easy to see are the legs, since they contain a lot of movement-relevant motors and actuators that love warming up as they are in use and therefore practically glow on the thermal vision. They then shoot the completely visible leg. GG.

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>>381935753
ez pz
t. ManLove
t. Javelin
t. any launcher/missile ever with top attack modes.

>>381936253
2-H* I don't own premiums because I'm not a faggot.

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>>381923901
I like both, because I'm not a faggot.

>>381935753

Mech could have long-range missiles or some form of artillery and hit the tank from above. Also why does everyone assume the mechs are standing still and their legs are made of paper? I think it's safe to assume the mech would have armor and be able to take several shots, and a mech on the run would be pretty hard to hit square in the legs.

>>381923901
tonks

>>381923901
I like medium sized mechs.
A bit smaller than a tank, usually but not much. They actually make sense.

>>381933790
>>381932216
>>381932803


If we're talking about Gundam style mechs you're screwed.
>Can jump (yeah it can jump to a heli) and slice in in half
>Minovsky particles screw over any lock on systems
>Melee and Ranged weapons
>n e w t y p e

>>381936563
But it's easier to hit a mech's legs, compared to a tank's treads at the same speed

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>>381935743
Why not both?

>>381936685
Well if we're at Gundam levels of retardedly overpowered, I'm just going to nuke it from across the world.

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>>381936421
>Tanks have thermal sights

Too bad the Minovsky generator would just disable it as soon as you even got anywhere within a couple of miles of the mobile suit because of the radiation they output. Literally the only way to detect a Zaku or any MB is "their generators are fucking up our electronics, it's somewhere around here."

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>>381936521
I like you, anon.

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>>381934969
>not loving the glorious underdog trash can

>>381936917
This shitcan is a liability no matter who pilots it.

>>381936825
I mean technically if that's true then we can just respond to it with another nuke/colony drop. There's a reason that 50% of deaths happened in the first part of the one year war until a treaty was signed.

>>381936825
What kinda Gundam are you watching

The whole gimmick is that there's no combat beyond visual range

>>381935616
It would be more like Alien or Avatar, sort of.

>>381935753
In the space battle they would do this sort of thing, and they would use cities that have been abandoned as cover and hide. They have tanks and they use them, its just military fantasy crap.

Like if Tolkien wrote star wars.

>>381936146
I honestly forgot that. I also only watch the Og series and Wing. I keep meaning to go back and watch the extended universe, but shit I got life and other shit to do instead of binge watch a anime series that is depressing as fuck for 90% of it.

>>381936421
You must be a blast at parties, you forgot the most important part of science fiction the fiction part. Science fiction is at its core the belief that in the undefined "future" that anything is possible. It has NEVER been in its history been rooted in anything else, The Time Machine isn't possible, isn't real, and if it has or has not happened could never be proven since any thing that could disprove it could be love to the future.

Lighten the fuck up.

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>>381937090
So it's agreed. Mutually assured destruction?

>>381936248
>Tales: Helicopter pilot
I would play the fuck out of that.
firing demon fangs

>>381923901
Mech

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TITAN

Char's Counterattack is the best Gundam Movie

it also has the best music (Main Title, Sally, Swan, Aurora, Sacrifice, Quess Paraya) no other can even compete

>>381936750

Think of trying to shoot someone in the legs as they are running versus shooting a moving oval.

>>381937440
YOU BELONG TO ME

>>381934448
>muh mech magic
You're retarded, there's no reason why you couldn't make a chopper out of those materials and equip it with those weapons

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>>381937397

>>381937519
I CAN'T SAY GOOD BYE

Mecha, just because there isn't a single worthwhile tank game that isn't overpriced or horribly outdated.

Stop making these threads.

>>381937397
Someone is gonna come in and say it's not a mecha because of that one stupid interview for the first game with that guy that had no idea what he was talking about.

The actual reason mechs are impractical is less their form factor and more the fact that the form factor is incredibly expensive to produce. This might change with 3D printer like technologies because complicated shapes will have less to do with the production time and more the amount of material deposited.

For now, the intricate work required means you have to hire prohibitively expensive workers and use prohibitively expensive manufacturing processes.

Of course, mechs will always be completely stupid in truly open terrain and certain sizes of mechs will always be stupid. But in urban combat scenarios, where cover is abundant mechs could certainly outperform tanks.

>>381937440
>best music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytHjdArnPJQ

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>>381934969

Depends on the artist. The Battletech card game makes some mechs look awesome while in other artwork they look like shit. Hell even within the CCG they do that.

I like both

>>381937689
>Dropped this game for a few months
How much has it changed? I didn't drop it because it was bad but I kinda just moved onto different, new games.

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>>381937075
But it's a dirt-cheap liability that mounts jump jets and the same gun as most superheavies.

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*fires PPCs in your general direction*

Why do people shit on the new gundam series? I thought it was pretty good for what it was. It sure handled better the child soldier gimmick than 00.

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>>381937934
Frontier defence is coming back tomorow, (coop)
3 weapons will be alowed (anti titan, side arm, primary)
A new titan has been aded
A new secondary to
And like 8 maps I think

>>381937892
that shit was awesome but it pales in comparison to the best piece of music the gundam franchise has ever produced:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHdz19aB2W0&t=58s

>>381938138
It was boring, mostly

And Mika is a shit character

Also because /a/ and /m/ shit on anything written by Mari Okada regardless of quality

>>381937440
>Sally
>Swan
>motherfucking MAIN TITLE

it's not the best movie but at least you have good music taste

>>381937934
New titan (monarch), a few new maps and guns, update tomorrow.
It's still pretty fun, Monarch has a similar loadout to BT from singleplayer and an upgrade system rather than the core attacks that the other Titans have.

>>381923982
Iunno, where does Gen V Armored Core fall?

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>>381938316
I disagree, it's been a while since a Gundam series has had characters on the opposing side that made me want them dead almost immediately.

>>381933063
>Higher psychological impact
>than a pair of attack choppers
kekeke

>>381938672
In the trashcan

>>381938786
I'm pretty certain a giant unstoppable mech stomping its way through my territory is scarier than a helicopter that would go down with one heatseeking STA missile

>>381937620
Choppers don't get M-particle reactors until UC0153.

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>>381923901
I remember playing a mech game a couple years back for the Xbox but I can't remember the name. All I remember is you could customise your mech and you had to pick some sort of animal AI for it. Mechs by the way.

Tanks are consistently cool. Mecha ranges from really fucking gay to extremely cool

>>381938908
>unstoppable mech
A mech is even easier to kill then a tank would be. Whatever armor a mech is going to use a tank could use, but a mech can go down simply by doing enough damage to one leg and it is out of the fight. A tank can still fight if you detrack it.

>>381938908
Look man. If a mech can have magic plot armor and defences, so can a chopper. Sure a modern day attack chopper would have trouble with a Gundam. But Gundam tech would be far more useful in a fast VTOL attack craft instead of a giant walking death trap.

I really like when mechas fuck shit up by just being there. Like some gundam series or the kojima particles shield in AC4 that gives space cancer to everyone in the area.

>>381939128
I don't think I'd say tanks are "consistently cool", most designs I come across are just serviceable and don't really standout much.
You're right about mecha though.

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>>381939171
>Whatever armor a mech is going to use a tank could use
To a smaller degree, and its armament is weaker too.
>A tank can still fight if you detrack it.
And a bipedal mech can't?
>>381939181
>If a mech can have magic plot armor and defences, so can a chopper
A mech's size requires it be using the strongest materials known to man at the time of its construction. These materials are likely going to be incredibly heavy, beyond the maximum capacity of a helicopter which typically lines the cockpit with kevlar and not much else to protect from stray groundfire. Helicopters do not engage in close range combat, they're long distance.

>>381939542
You're thinking about Vietnam era choppers.

>The Apache is heavily armored on all sides. Some areas are also surrounded by Kevlar soft armor for extra protection. The cockpit is protected by layers of reinforced armor and bulletproof glass. According to Boeing, every part of the helicopter can survive 12.7-mm rounds, and vital engine and rotor components can withstand 23-mm fire.

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>>381923901
I'm a mech guy myself, you can't love and get love back from a piece of shit tank.

Mechs are cool as hell, but given similar tech, a tank can carry thicker armor, a larger armament and reach higher top speeds.
You can put a turret with a long ass barrel (something that directly affect a weapon's performance if we're talking about conventional firearms and railguns) on a tank without affecting its performance, but it'd seriously hamper a mech's mobility.
I imagine mechs would be an abolute menace in urban combat and especially in a support role coupled with infantry, but they'd get absolutely BTFO by tanks. Also they'd probably have a better survivability against ground attack craft due to their mobility.

tl;dr mechs are the Bradley of armor

>>381939181
You'd need something as large as a Chinook to mount an early-UC Minovsky fusion reactor.
And those aren't powerful enough to generate protective I-fields (which only block beam weapons anyway, so one guy with a rocket launcher = You, dead) for any length of time.

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>>381939938
Than you make a VTOL the size of a fucking Gundam with similar armor.

>>381939725
again if a mech can have a bro tier AI, why couldn't a tank?

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>>381939918
What if you made a smaller, rocket mounted mech with Jetpacks and a railgun sniper?

>>381940109
They do. In UC0153.
They even have beam rotors.

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>>381939426
I have yet to see any sort of fictional or general vidya tank that tops anything from BF2142. Everything just looks or comes off as complete fucking garbage when you compare to real tanks.

>>381939938
Then you get to late UC where Minovsky fusion reactors become smaller and efficient to the point where MSs become smaller and vulnerable to 60mm guns.

>>381939542
>And a bipedal mech can't?
Well maybe if it is a gundam style mech with arms. Most mechs that are being talked about dont have arms to correct themselves after they fall. Likely a mech will see one leg collapse under them and they fall down with their weapon systems being fixed completely unable to move even the slightest at best, face down or up highly likely.

>A mech's size requires it be using the strongest materials known to man at the time of its construction.
I know you are debating mech vs heli but this is still applies to things. Any advance armor that is given to a mech needs to be given to tanks also as logically the tank in said universe would ALSO be upgraded with the strongest material known to man, and potentially more of it.

Which brings me back to "unstoppable mech" when a tank would be far harder to kill and at the end of they day, you can only kill a helicopter with a specialized AA piece while a mech you can take out with a dumb fired rocket, or if someone is insane, run up and throw a sticky bomb in its leg joints.

>>381940152
Because we're on /v/ so this question is being asked through the lens of video games. Almost all tank games are just historical self fellation with no real creativity or customization. Mech games are imaginative and involve lots of cool ideas and customization.

I don't want to play a fucking panzer for the 1 millionth time.

>>381925459

>posting THE ABOMINATION

jesus fuck, 0/10 obvious bait is obvious.

>>381940152
Why the fuck would anyone put an OS on a tank?

>>381940232
i'd say it would be excellent at blasting space hajis in space Fallujah

>>381926521

japan makes Mecha

the WEST makes mechs

if you're going to tard out, at least use the right terms

>>381940365
Or maybe you can read his post where he says he didn't like it dumbass.

>>381940109
that already happens in gundam

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>>381940481
How can you expect retarded Weebs to know the difference? Anyway I like the wests actual mechs like in Titanfall, not those shit tanks with legs and guns on the side. Jap mechs are too stupid looking and cartoony it makes me cringe.

>>381940591
>>381940260

Than what are we arguing about? A chopper built with modern day tech would absolutly destroy a mech made with modern day tech.

A VTOL built with magic gundam tech would absolutely trounce a mech made with the same tech. I don't give 2 shits about your faggy dates and canon.

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>>381938014
*fires 12 lasers in your face

>>381940895
Your VTOL jobs hard against the protagonist, who then goes on to have the highest killcount in the franchise.

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>>381940434
uh, so they can do all the shit they normally do, but without a driver?

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>>381930819
>stealth bombers teleport behind you
>pssshh nothing personel opressor

>>381940895
But the VTOL doesn't do that at all, it's fairly mediocre in terms of performance.

>>381940481
>>381940802
No one sane gives a fuck, fuck off.

>>381932159
Anon, evangelions are not...they are the death mothers of every pilot turned into a giant husk for the sole purpose of building some kind of energy field to protect themselves, also Rei eva is a fake one and thats the reason is shit.

>>381941118
And eventually wars will just be masses of automated tanks blowing each other up until one side wins. Why stop there? Instead of wasting all that energy and material, we could just let the AI fight it out in a simulated battle and just agree to execute a predetermined number of civilians neat and cleanly?

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>>381938908
>Unstoppable
>Shoot the knee cap and it falls down
You mech advocates are fucking delusional.

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>>381941443
>t. Booty blasted weeb
Would it make you feel better if I post some weeb Titan wifes?

>>381941543
how is that an argument in favor of mechs?

>>381941446
Its still a mecha anime even if the mecha are actually weird human fleshy thingies.

>>381934501
One can only hope.

>>381932060
armored core is a mecha series. dumbass

>>381931784
>>381931646
eva's are superpowered ninja deathbots, just like every other mecha.

so they're mecha, especially sine the eva series is a codifier for the genre 'mecha' and helped form the expectations of what a 'mecha' show would / could / should be.

>>381931493

Metal gear is a tricky subject, things like gekkos and dwalker are mecha because of the aforementioned super ninja deathbot dom.

but shagohod etc are mechs for being ungainly unwieldy stompy death bots.

>>381929429
that's due to there being like, two battletech games. and a third one coming out soon from HBS. the rest are either MECHWARRIOR or MECH ASSUALT or MECH COMMANDER. all of which ( even mc 1 and 2) make non-mechs weak as piss

MWLL is the only video game we even have were non mechs are as strong / tough as they are in the battletech setting supposed to be.

because it's a mod.

for crysis.

>>381934501
>All those xbox exclusives stuck on a console that probably will never be emulable
Fuck, i really want to play this game again, and kingdom under fire.

>>381941986
I don't bother differentiating mecha and mech. Armored core is great and that's what matters.

>>381941986
He never said that AC isnt mecha what the fuck.

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>>381941683
It's an argument in favor of how silly making giant walking robots is. A giant anything is generally a bad idea in war. It just becomes a target if it can even get around.

You wanna know the real reason the Nazis never built their massive supertank? It would not have been capable of driving on basically any terrain. It would shred roadways and just sink into grass and dirt.

A mech that weighs several thousand tons, with feet that small, would just sink right into whatever it was walking on. Walking on normal dirt and grass would be equivalent to a human trying to walk through quicksand.

>>381942191
It's some fag going full autist on the usage of mech and mecha.
The best solution is to ignore this type of person.

>>381942194
>A giant anything is generally a bad idea in war.
There is a lot of truth to this statement. There is a reason why all MBTs trace their design to medium tanks and not Heavy tanks of WW2. Medium tanks had numbers and could actually make it to the front line.

Heavy tanks either broke down, failed to cross the terrain (pontoon bridges would break) or be taht much easier to kill by air. And it is much easier to build a better gun then enough armor to stop the better gun

>>381940356
Okay nice but how does that answer te question in the OP, or my question, if we're at it?
If mechs and tanks exist in the same universe, then everything you can put on a mech you can put on a tank too, only you're less constrained by shit like carry weight or center of mass so you can build them tougher.
And who says a game with an AI-equipped tank would be more boring than a game with an AI-equipped mech?

>>381942194

This argument always get brought up and it never accounts for newer, lighter materials being invented. You wouldn't have expected metal aircraft before the invention of Aluminium, but it was invented anyway.

>>381940507
doesn't matter.

that THING is the
>unmentioned never happened ever doesn't exist
for a reason.

it's tantamount to ponyposting / gayporn posting / donkey show posting

>>381940802
the titanfall devs went full REEE IT R NOT A MECH though... so it's a 'totally not a mech at all' instead.

mecha are fine, mechs are fine.

>>381941443
actually most sane fans do care. since YOU are effectively holding a banana and saying
>GEE THESE ORANGES SUCK, They taste NOTHING like a good orange should! they're not even ROUND for fucks sakes!

>>381942821
I've always liked the idea of Starship Troopers style power armor. Each soldier is essentially a highly mobile tank, capable of jumping several km at a time while carrying an entire army's worth of musicians. The suites were small and light enough to walk around comfortably indoors but heavy enough to hold up to the rigours of space.

>>381943040
Aluminium wasn't invented as it is a fucking metal, but you are right on the advancement of metallurgy which allowed to create lighter yet stronger alloys.

>play Brigador, a game primarily about big stompy mechs
>spend way more time playing as a three wheeled bike with the piddliest guns

>>381943395
>the titanfall devs went full REEE IT R NOT A MECH though... so it's a 'totally not a mech at all' instead.
>>381937812
Called it

>>381943412
If you are into that you should read all you need is kill, if you havent. The movie is ok too but americans can't into cool power armor

I am a fat guy

>>381923901
Just came here to let yall know MWO is shit

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Both

>>381923901
Both.

Started as a mech guy until I realized it made no sense tactically. Then I really got in to tanks and realized those are also obsolete tactically.

>>381943040
Yeah well it's all gradual.
Suppose you invent a lighter armor type or a more efficient form of propulsion. You could either make a new, retard huge weapon class that would've been inviable perviously, or you can keep an existing weapon class and make it faster / tougher.
Which approach proves better is up to circumstance.

>>381942174


i don't care, if you're going to shitpost, at least call an egg an egg and a fish a fish

>>381942191
actually, yes, he did, he called a video game series about ninja deathbots, the hallmark of mecha, a mech game.

>>381942623
yes, because fuck calling things by the correct terms that are widely understood to mean a specific genre / group. let's just throw word fucking salad around and then get triggered at people calling out the retardation!

>>381943395
Actually the correct word is メカ, get it right you fucking secondary.

>>381943864
>widely understood
Two people on 4chan is not "widely understood," now put on a trip so we can filter you.

>>381943593
i'm just saying that the obvious mech is obvious is technically NOT a mech because retard devs wanted their MECH game to NOT be thought of as a MECH game.

because they're retarded.

i thought my post was fairly explicit in pointing out just how retarded the devs are.

do i need to have a flashing neon sign and beat people over the fucking head with it before they can grasp the meaning of a post?

Lrn2ReadingComprehension FFS

>>381944178
stop

posting

like

this

fag

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>people discussing robots on /v/

>>381944073

>t. i'm a casualfag and know nothing about the two different genres so i'll just pretend there isn't a divide down the middle of the genre and it's all one unified whole with only ONE type of bipedal robot fiction ever made in the entire world!

how about you have a nice cup of shut the fuck up, retard.

just because you're a fucking idiot, doesn't mean the rest of the planet has to be.

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>>381923901
Mecha.

>>381944440
It's usually much nicer than this, atleast until tanks are brought up.
Since tanks were brought up in the OP this thread was doomed.

>>381944538
>When the autist shits up the thread

>>381944339
i would, if i was posting a single item as seperate ones.

you can hate on basic text formatting that's been around ever since fucking darpanet as much as you want, that isn't going to make it go away.

it just makes you retarded.

>>381944618
This was a tank vs mech thread in the first place, like many before it. Its always like this, half the threads argues about the plausibility of giant magic powered robots and the other half talks about gundam. But this time we have the mech/meka autist.

>>381944724

>t. i got caught out being stupid! quick, i better break out the 'autism lol' to show how i'm not actually stupid like a brick, but the other guy is obviously totally wrong! because i said so!

until you can actually post HOW mech and mecha are NOT two very different, only slightly related things, you need to STFU and GTFO

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>>381944614
Why do Japs make their mechs all look the same and incredibly ugly?

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Has anyone played the Battletech beta? It's good. Can see a lot of potential here, but unfortunately it's only like 5 maps and no multiplayer yet. Should be getting all of that soon though.
>has melee
>getting a crit punch on the cockpit and seeing the gigantic blood puff erupting from the mech
>my dick when

>>381944618
tankfags are bitter because nobody makes fun tank games.
I can't blame them world of tanks would make anybody frustrated.

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>>381945050
>ll look the same and incredibly ugly?
You take that back fucker!

>>381945045
Mech and mecha are just two different way of shortening the word mechanized you turbo autist. The first one is the english way and the latter is the japanese way because they never split syllables. If you were to talk to a 日本人 about mechwarrior he would still call those robots メカ. Its just giant robots.

Tanks and Mechwarrior mechs are great. Anything Japanese of the latter is fucking garbage.

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>>381945050
Cool story bro.

>>381923982
gundam is fun nerd.

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>>381945412
>>381945495
That looks incredibly bad holy shit, like something a 5 year old Sonic autist would play with.

>>381945050
heh......this shitpost........is weak.....

>>381945460
bet you're one of those people who say Sudeki is a WRPG and Dark Souls is a JRPG

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>>381938719
>implying
>>381938138
I'm just here for the designs. And the OST.

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>>381945695
If you want more, just ask. You don't have to keep hiding behind shitposts.

>>381945460
this just shows you as an animu weeb shitter.


i'll fucking spoonfeed you retards FFS.

it is commonly accepted that MECHA are usually super agile and far superior to everything except another mecha ( hence the gendam shows etc with mecha carving through roughly eleventy billion shitters per scratch of paint on their paintjob)

MECH are commonly of the walking tank variety and are usually just as vulnerable to combined arms as anything else, hence the Battletech setting

>>381945695
>He posts something that isn't a mech
Hue

>>381945126
Ooo, so it's kinda like those Mechwarrior Tactics games from way back when but with all the fun Battletech tabletop stuff put in?

>what if we gave tanks legs, LOL
-t. mech guy

Why not give it tits and ass while you are at it?

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>>381945695
>Hating on the Aquatic MS
Now you're really grinding my gears

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>>381945953
Been there, done that.

>>381945953
>implying we haven't already done that
>>381946098
These things look so retarded that I Iove them

>>381945857
Literally only you care about using those ridiculously similar terms to describe that difference.

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>>381946254
>These things look so retarded that I Iove them
Pretty sure that's the official motto of Zeon's aquatic design department.

>>381945126
I still can't find a straight answer on whether or not it uses actual Battletech rules.

Other than pretty graphics, I don't see anything that would pull current Battletech fans away from just playing Megamek, and the 3025 setting means no Mechwarrior nostalgia because there isn't a Mad Cat on the cover.

>>381945801
Im one of those people who says that it doesnt fucking matter what people call something as long as everyone can understand what he is talking about and if you sperg out about it you are a fucking autist. And dark souls is clearly an action rpg.

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>>381945904
>Titans
>not mechs
>?????
Why do you weebs move the goalpost like this?
>>381945839
>>381946098
These things really look like shit, straight out of an autists imagination.

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>>381946281
Just ignore him and talk about your favorite vidya robots

>>381945802
The battle ost in the first season was godlike indeed.

>>381946434
Cute robot.

>>381946601
It doesnt follow TT rules

Building the unicorn Gelgoog right now so take a guess what i am.

>>381946434
Really, tanks can't be that bad, right?

>>381946434
We need more spider/multi-leg bots in games.
Depth Crawler in EDF 4.1 was so fun.

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I love fat robots. Why are fat robots so cool? He even has little hidden arms.

>>381946645
>titanfall
>mech
>>381946739
There was some shit from the second season like the Dainsleif theme or "All Out".

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>>381933063
>Higher psychological impact on the enemy

>>381946281

http://wikidiff.com/mecha/mech

https://www.giantbomb.com/mech/3055-21/forums/mech-v-mecha-3628/

http://www.valvetime.net/threads/western-mechs-vs-eastern-mecha.178605/

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/mecha-vs-mech.42591/

http://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/12/364042262882094873/

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Mecha

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RealRobotGenre?from=Main.RealRobot

well, i'm obviously 'literally' a giant fucktonne of people shoved into a single person then.

according to lord retard can'tbefuckeditis, ruler of the internet and all reality.

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>>381946645
What's that? "Post more"? Okay.

>>381946915
>little tiny baby skirt arms with beam saber built to fuck up any cocky pilot that gets too close.
Shame we didn't get to see more of The O

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>>381946818
it's attempted to adapt the TT rules for a video game.

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>>381923901
I'm a megadeus guy

>>381947420
Last time that happend it was called Blood Bowl and it was great

>>381923901
I like some realism, so I'm mostly a tank guy, but I do like me some gritty mechs once in a while. I actually prefer games where both exist and are used but are still outclassed by the superior forces of artillery and tactically used infantry.

>>381947420
Not really. It's a whoe new set of rules. I don't mind it, but saying it's an adaptation of the TT rules is just lying

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>>381947641
>Bounces after hitting the ground
Cute.

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>>381946645
>These things really look like shit, straight out of an autists imagination.
Say that to my face in the Gundam Ring fucker

>>381947285
According to half of those sources chromehounds would be considered mecha though.

>>381947568
which is why we're hyped for a BATTLETECH game.

>>381947619
that's because a straight swap of TT rules would be crap for a video game. do you enoy playing chess against a computer set to randmaster level etc.?

the reason the bt game works differently is so it can't be either perfect cheating ai unbeatable, nor dumb as rocks beaten by a potato stabbing themselves in the face with a plastic spork.

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>>381923901
>like mechs
>realize there horribly impractical in a world with tracked vehicles

>>381947893
it doesn't HAVE to be western to be MECH and it doesn't HAVE to be eastern to be MECHA. they're simply two defining terms denoting the general capabilities of the 'walking robot' fictional fighting machines.

hell, half the time a gundam is carving through gratuitous enemy forces is because they're fighting slow ponderous stompy robots, i.e mechs.