Will Obsidian get it right this time?

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>>381921803
They got it right the first time, they'll get it perfect now.

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they already got it right țb́ĥ

>a post-avellonian obshitian
>getting anything right
it's time to let go

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>>381921992
>mfw during his entire questline

fuck rpg codex

>>381921803
They have fanbois who will buy whatever hunk of crap they pump out.
They have no incentive to excel.

>>381921803
Depends. I think just tightening the script will do wonders for PoE2.

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>>381921893

The sub-par combat (at release was a total mess, haven't played since) and lack of combat xp made it feel like such a fucking slog.
There's just something so rewarding about playing RPGs on hard settings, taking on a monster way too tough for you, winning and getting a shower of loot and xp.
Every time combat would end in PoE it was just like "Well, I guess I can get to the next text box now."

>>381921992
>[Lie] "Yes."
?!

>>381922592
>lack of combat xp
I was going to give the game a try, but that sounds awful.

>>381922592
>The sub-par combat (at release was a total mess, haven't played since) and lack of combat xp made it feel like such a fucking slog.
Your opinion is very important to the RPG playerbase, please keep us informed.

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I refuse to touch this pile of shit because of the Vailian Republics. It's one thing to feature "diversity" in your game, I don't give a fuck about this usually, but just painting Italian city-states black disgusts me somehow.
I've never dropped a game because of this kind of issue before, but for the first time in my life a video game actually offended me. Fuck Sawyer.

>>381922814
You get combat XP but there's a limit on it. Basically you only earn XP on the first, say 75 beetles you kill. After that you don't earn XP anymore by killing them.

>>381921803
Just tell me Durance will return too, or FeelsSadMan.

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>>381921803
>When you raise the price of your game for the summer sale so that even on sale it's more expensive than it was regularly.

Why is Paradox trying so hard to pull EA down from the throne of being the most shitty publisher on earth? Will they succeed?

>>381922814
Its not as bad as it sounds as you get plenty of xp from quests and other stuff.
The real problem with pillars is that its just kinda bland all over.

>>381923917
They only raised the price in 3rd world countries.

>>381923938
>The real problem with pillars is that its just kinda bland all over.
Damn I wanted to try it too.

>>381921803
>>381921893
I've seen this thread with these two posts about 4 times already.

PoE is about the best playing cRPG i've played. I feel like they really nailed the pen and paper feel without having encounters get bogged down in garbage.

Wish it had better writing and less dull world though

>>381922184
Wait for the project from Tim Cain and the other guy with the slav name

>>381924110
Third world countries like the UK? Gotcha, senpai.

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>>381924875
You're just asking for a smug reply

>>381924523
What the fuck kind of pen and paper have you played that threw literally thousands of enemies at you? You should punch your GM in the dick and never let him GM ever again.

>>381921803
For the sake of my enjoyment, I hope they do!

>>381925093
Not sure how your comment applies to what I said

>>381925093
At least sawyer admitted encounter design sucked.

>>381923076
You rather them Italian city states were a bunch of fishmen then just like they did with the Maori/Polynesian culture?
Get a mod if it bothers you so much.

>>381925246
>I feel like they really nailed the pen and paper feel without having encounters get bogged down in garbage.

PoE is 95% combat, rest is pick a dialog option in a box. It couldn't be more different from pen and paper if it tried, and if your experience with pnp is anything similar to PoE then you should look for a new group. That is all.

>>381925253
>At least sawyer admitted encounter design sucked.
You are delusional, he admitted it was nto perfect, these is how sane people view their own work - with a healthy dose of self-criticism. The encounter design itself was great overall and PoE has some of the absolute best encounters in CRPGs ever like the twin dragon fight from White March Pt. 2. The only problem with it was that there were literally to many fights, so Sawyer removed some of the more trivial ones that were not as challenging most of the encounters in the game.

>>381925642
*not perfect,
*this is how sane people view their own work
*too many fights

>>381923076
Fucking special snowflake

>>381925625
More like PoE is 95% uninteractable dialogue that has no impact on the game

>>381925903
There is some SOLID impact to get around. Better than most games, thats for certain

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>>381925903
>More like PoE is 95% uninteractable dialogue that has no impact on the game
Kek, yet those 5% contain more roleplaying than pretty much any RPG out there apart from New Vegas.

>>381925350
They could have come up with different cultural elements, I have no problem with a black sea-faring merchant nation, it just bothers me when you basically duplicate a real historical culture, mix the language and clothing a bit up and then paint everyone black. I like my fantasy worlds plausible and convincing, Valians just look like cosplayers. It's distracting as fuck and feels cheap. I would feel the same if they included a nation which is clearly and obviously inspired by the Chinese Ming dynasty and made everyone look like Indios.

Doesn't help that the world-building in general is mediocre.

>>381925809
ok

>>381926190
Oh shit nigger, just look at all this roleplaying!!!!

http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Guard_Dialogue

>>381926924
>NPC reaction changes based on your character generation and advancement choices as well as in-game story and quest related decisions
>some of those character generation and advancement choices also open alternative quest solution paths
>not roleplaying
You're a special kind of retard, aren't you?

>>381927178
Well, see, if you consider this roleplaying then we have just established that Skyrim has more of it than PoE. Yet you keep acting like PoE is doing something special.

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>sawyer in charge of fun

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>>381927617
>Skyrim has more of it than PoE
Except it doesn't. It doesn't matter how you count the NPC dialogue reactions, PoE has more of them. You haven't posted a single thing in the thread that wasn't wrong yet.

Also, many retards badmouth Skyrim needlessly for the sake of appearing hip and cool. Skyrim is a RPG, it has multi-solution quests with alternative solution method availability being tied to your character skills, deal with it.

>>381928203
What you posted was PoE's total. What I posted was only one NPC type's reactions. While guards are the most reactive NPCs in Skyrim, they are not the only ones. Combined, Skyrim's reactivity far surpasses PoE's.

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>This time
Pillars of Eternity was flawed but still great, and the expansion was even better. As long as it doesn't get worse from here, Deadfire is gonna be a great waste of my time.

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>>381921803
Should I still play it? WTF happened?

>>381929268
Paradox increased the price for a few countries.

>>381929268
people finally played it after letting it fester in their backlog

>>381921803
Tyranny was a fucking mess. I have no faith left in Obshitian

>>381929268
Paradox increased the price of the game right before the Steam Sale. The backlash caused the prices to revert in the U.S. but I think other places still have to pay more.

>>381928978
>Combined, Skyrim's reactivity far surpasses PoE's.
Wrong, you've never played any of the games, but, then again, I didn't expect you to post anything right in the first place, so it's OK.

>>381929268
>WTF happened?
Same thing that happened with GTAV.

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>>381922230
Hit like a ton of bricks

>>381930042
You act like such an insufferable arrogant faggot I have to wonder if your master plan is making everyone hate you and the game by extension. If that's the case, keep it up, because it's working.

>>381923076
Christ. I hate /pol/tards.
Vailian Republics are great and I'm looking forward to more of their involvement in Deadfire.

Just learned the first one is coming to PS4 in August, nearly came all in my pants. My toaster laptop can barely run it.

>>381929851
CEO posted on their forums and claims it's steam's fault it's hard to undo their mistake without being pulled from the sale altogether

Imagine making a giant fucking mess and blaming the floor for not being receptive to your mess or attempts at cleaning it. And thinking any of that somehow constitutes an apology to your customers

>dropped poe twice
>hyped for deadfire

weird feel t b h

>>381930494
Yes, I'm acting "arrogant" because I have actually presented an objective, quantifiable metric that describes the scope of roleplaying in PoE - actual fucking numbers. Meanwhile, the only "argument" you have presented is: "Skyrim has more, I s-swear!"

If this is what it means to be "arrogant", so be it, but at least I'm not a retarded child like you.

>>381922230
what happens? never used him, I normally use the shark girl because her spin is insane

>>381923326
He better

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>not playing arcanum

fags

>>381929268
Paradox are jews and increased their prices for a bunch of countries. Basically all their games have mostly negative reviews now.

>>381931167
>actually playing Arcanum in 2017
>not having played it to hell and back a decade ago
Underage.

>>381930912
>objective, quantifiable metric
>you never played the games and everything you post is wrong

ok

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>>381929668
That was the Z team. Believe in Balanced Sawyer-Senpai-Sama.

>>381931276
if you're over 25 and still on /v/ you should get your life sorted out m8

I hate how the AI targets priests in this game. They will be getting destroyed by 3 guys in melee and still choose to ranged attack the priest. Even if there's only one left.

>>381931405
over 18 more like

>>381931360
So you still have no argument by virtue of not having an objective, quantifiable metric to describe the scope of Skyrim's roleplaying? It's OK, child, don't be upset, I never expected anything else from you in the first place.

>>381929543
haha this /thread absolute shit game no memorable characters or story plus everyone looks like a mongoloid with shit combat

>>381931405
shut up virgin
I'm 29 with a good job, girlfriend, and a nice car, I still come here for the bants and shitposting because it pleases me, what now white nigger?

>>381931364
i just realised he got scales on his breastplate

Sawyer is OUR AUTIST

>Obsidian: Hmm, animating gun reloading for NV is hard
>Sawyer: Say no more *proceed to buy a bunch of guns and bring them to the office*

>>381931405
I'm 27 and I'm doing a M.Sc. in a STEM discipline in a good university in an actual country. I also play over 50 hours of vidya per two weeks. What now.

>>381930981
Dude was supposed to be the next leader of his mayan tribe, but the old leader had to teach him a great power first, he was not deemed worthy year after year, until a rival tribe attacked and defeated them all, the elder died and Zahua never learned that skill, he traveled all his life to find that skill somewhere else, and at one moment he made it back to the tribe, he tried to release them, but it was too late. The males were weak and slaves already, and the women were carrying the babies of the conquerors, they told him it was useless.
During his Questline, you both get stoned while he tells you this story, and he finally reaches the conclusion that great skill or not, he could not save his tribe, and had to let go of it at the end. (well, depending how you talk to him, he either lets go, or becomes a machine of revenge)

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>>381931581
now I jack off to 2d traps

Every time I try to play this game again my computer freezes up after about 5 minutes. I don't understand why.

>>381921893
>perfect
>Uhh, gridning is bad lets remove most of combat XP!
>but obsidian, removing combat xp means you need a way to avoid combat, and maps should have careful level design to allow several ways of passing without fighting
>SORRY I CAN'T HEAR YOU I'M ADDING DOZENS OF GENERIC BEAR SWARM ENCOUNTER TO EVERY WILDERNESS MAP IN THE GAME

Maybe for the sequel they'll actually hire a level designer?
Or maybe they'll get their head out of their fucking asses and realize that their pretentious aversion to combat XP is retarded since they're fucking trying to emulate classic RPGs like baldurs gate?

>>381931405
I want to live until I'm a 100 and I want to post on /v/ on my last day in this beautiful planet

>>381931916
>Or maybe they'll get their head out of their fucking asses and realize that their pretentious aversion to combat XP is retarded since they're fucking trying to emulate classic RPGs like baldurs gate?
I suspect this is what will happen.

I liked Durance, the addition of firearms, and the exploration of BG1.

Combat worked.

Story was passable, with some bits great. I really liked the whole Godhammer thingy, which tied in with Durance.

The world was boring, really.

I'm a little optimistic about the setting of 2, as the coast and undersea area of BG2 appealed to me. Characters don't look all that interesting.

I'll buy it most likely.

>>381931916
>>381932036
I reckon they'll keep the no xp thing but tighten up encounter design significantly.

>>381924523
>without having encounters get bogged down in garbage

but getting bogged down in garbage is what literally 90% of combat encoutners boild down to.
The other 10% is braindead easy single monster encounters, like that one optional dragon fight that had to be the lamest dragon I've seen outside of skyrim.

>>381925642
>The encounter design itself was great
>lets just throw 10 identical enemies with no thought of tactics, level design, or anything

>>381931405

Along with shooting and hunting/fishing, games is my other hobby when I get home from changing batteries in fire alarms and wiring houses.

I have plenty of time to talk about games here.

>>381922727
>No

>>381932675
>like that one optional dragon fight
Which one?

>>381932906
the one in the volcano

>>381933027

oh

so not a real dragon, cail is just a drake.

Sky Dragon, Alpine Dragon, Adra Dragon - these will teach you.

>>381933027
I liked that fight. Also, technically, wasn't that a Wyvern? :^)

>>381931916
>gridning is bad
It is. XP is a valuable resource. Being able to accumulate limitless amount of a certain resource with no repercussions is bad.

>lets remove most of combat XP!
This is a good idea, because it potentially allows the devs to create a system where most quests and encounters can be completed in different ways, yet give the player the same or equivalent rewards, regardless of how many enemies they've killed. This is a good system, because it does not "force" the pragmatic players to kill every enemy in sight for maximum character advancement.

>Maybe for the sequel they'll actually hire a level designer?
It's not a question of level design. Certain rewards being locked behind combat encounters is fine, as long as those rewards are not mandatory for progress. It's also fine to lock certain rewards behind non-violent solutions. There's literally nothing wrong with this. If you don't want to fight that pack of bears in an optional, non-mandatory encounter, just don't fucking seek out that encounter.

PoE's real problem lies in the fact that the majority of encounters that are mandatory for progress do not have alternative non-violent ways of completing them.

What I really want from PoE2 is the ability to complete the game with minimal killing AND I want this method of progress being dependent on your character skills, stats and other character generation and advancement choices.

>>381933027
It's a drake, you dumb fuckign cunt.

Man i feel bad for you

>>381933027
When you see a real dragon you are gonna shit yourself, except for sky dragon, that girl is easy

>>381933301
Still hit like a ton of bricks, tho. She just doesn't have the massive fuck you stats

>>381931698
Nice

>>381932852
>lets just throw 10 identical enemies with no thought of tactics, level design, or anything

That's the worst part of it, encounter design was completely divorced from level/map design. I dunno how they fucked that up when they had the IE games to look back on.

>>381933106
>>381933231
>>381933301
I did all of them, I called out the lamest one.
None of them are as cool as the bg 2 ones anyway.

>It's a drake
and? It's a big lizard that breathes fire. You expect anyone outside of /tg/ to give a fuck about the proper name?

>>381933762
you are a dumb nigger.

>>381933645
meanwhile, on icewind dale
>first few encounters with orcs are all varied, with the orcs showing tactics, and using combined arms, sword and shield up front, archers on higher ground, shaman in the back summoning monsters and buffing

If you're gonna remove combat XP every combat should be put on the game for a reason, every single one should be well thought out and meaningful.

>>381931916
I never cared about this while playing. I'm pretty sure they were just removing being able to kill enemies over and over to boost your level.
On Baldur's Gate I used to farm Ankhegs for gold and levels and it was obscenely broken.

>>381933819
not an argument.

>>381933819

He's right about the dragons in BG2 being better.

They're way better.

>>381934043
>I never cared about this while playing.
That just shows you eat shit and don't care

>>381934043
>I have no self control

>>381934185
Whatever helps you sleep at night, anon. Maybe I just don't consider this even a flaw, or at the very most, a flaw that actually ruins the game.

better be good, i backed with the collectors edition

gotta get my space pig toy

why are there so many opinions about this game?

There are legitimate grievances with Pillars of Eternity, tons of them.

But quite a few of grievances on this board boil down to
>Waaah why can't I just press buttons to immediately win this game? It's not fun anymore ;_;

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>>381934313
there's always shit eaters in the world, that's just an inescapable fact.

>>381934607
What games do you like, anon?

>>381934419
>>Waaah why can't I just press buttons to immediately win this game?
not a single complaint on this thread was about difficulty anon, are you okay?

>>381934043
Ankhegs were infinitely respawning, like most random enemies in BG. PoE has no respawning whatsoever, meaning you can only kill as many as they provided to you. Yet it expects you to kill most of the shit it covers its maps with, but doesn't even have the decency to reward you for it.

>>381934419
the main complaints have to do with balance and the high amount of trash mobs combined with no experience from combat

that and the typical crying about diversity stuff

>>381934667
baldurs gate 2, KotOR 2, fallout new vegas, neverwinter nights 2 mask of betrayer

>>381933458
I hate you. You are like my ex

>>381934419
this t b h, i hate when people shit on poe for the completely wrong reasons.

>>381934713
It's when people say shit like "Classes all feel the same and are boring" (which is blatantly false) that you can easily see what they really mean is "Why can't I just win the game with my Mage?"

>>381934852
FNV is one of my favourite games of all time, and I love the other CRPGs.
But yet I'm a "shit eater"

>>381927772
Wasn't one of the stretch goals for 2 something like this?

Something like companions will react to the player and each other and develop relationships, like if Eder sees Aloth being a dick to animals all the time he's gonna want to knock his fucking teeth out, and the same for the player. It'll also let you potentially romance companions.

Combat was shit. Core abilities tied to rest, wildly uneven encounters (especially at the beginning), No XP from combat, making you resent every fight as a waste of time. Progression consisted of pushing from one text box to the next, where brevity died as a sacrifice to the Kickstarter gods.

So much clutter from all the backer messages. OCD RPG player who checks everything? Be prepared for pure banality for hours.

Reactivity was minimal. Grimdark everything. Somehow I managed to miss Durance, making my NPC party a bunch of fucking whiners. No whimsy in the game whatsoever.

Graphics were great. Soundtrack was decent. The fundamentals were decent, but everything else felt disjointed.

Lots of talent have left Obsidian in recent years. No faith in the next title.

>>381934827
Would you rather have them respawn infinitely then?

>>381934875
you realize vidya is not tabletop, right?
The issue of mages being overpowered was a tabletop RPG thing
even back in the D&D 3.5 vidya like neverwinter nights, there was never an issue of wizards being OP.

Maybe you should try to actually read what people say.

>>381927772
>the NPCs you pick have no influence at all on the story
how the fuck does he think this is a good thing
god the more I read what sawyer says the more I realize hes an idiot who lucked out on having a good team on some games.

>>381935092
No. The entire point was that by not having respawns, the game already has an anti-grinding solution. You set XP rewards in a way that matches your level ceiling, the difficulty of combat, and the amount of mobs in the game.

Not rewarding combat is simply retarded, and the game itself doesn't justify it.

>>381935006
>So much clutter from all the backer messages. OCD RPG player who checks everything? Be prepared for pure banality for hours.
I mean you didn't have to read them. Pretty sure that's just for the backers to ogle at.

>>381935337
>go to 5 stars kebab
>they put some shit everywhere on your plate
>"well you can just eat around the shit"
This is how you sound right now

>>381935506
Why does it bother you so much?

>>381935006
alot of those are you problems, not problems with the game

Pool of Radiance: Ruins of Myth Dranor remake when?

No. New Obsidishit is now full of 20 something liberal turds and affirmative action hires and are now just coasting on the company's name while everyone who made your favorite Obsidian games has either left or taken managerial positions.

>>381934996
>Romance

STAY AWAY FROM MY VIDEOGAMES YOU FUCKING PERSONA SHITTER REEEEEEEEEE

>>381935935
they never said outright romance, just a relationship system

can't wait to become true bff's with eder

>>381934419
LEGIT REASONS PILLARS SUCKED
Fix this shit and deadfire will be aces.
>encounter design
>trash mobs
>lore dumps
>inconsistent pacing of main quest
>companion interactions
>inter party drama non existent
>itemization (fixed now?)
>badly managed stretch goals and backer rewards
>fucking load times

what i miss?

>>381923326

Durance was Chris'

He ain't coming back IMO.

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>>381925642
>PoE has some of the absolute best encounters in CRPGs eve

>>381921803
I thought they got it right with Tyranny.

>>381935618
It doesn't bother me but I don't think one of the flaw should be ignored because it's optional

>>381936639
Maybe if they finished the other half of the game.

>>381936316
>release patch with literally 3 small bugfixes
>it's 1.5 GB
>Obsidian blames it on Unity and swears optimizing that shit is impossible
>even though this is a blatant lie since several previous PoE patches were only a couple of MBs

In what world is this acceptable?

>>381936316
Vancian magic, RTwP

>>381936316
>if they fix literally everything it will become a good game
Hmm you don't say

>>381935006
>Somehow I managed to miss Durance, making my NPC party a bunch of fucking whiners
lmao

>>381935506
S H I T T Y
F O O D
A N A L O G Y

Every damn time

>>381936316
They promised to fix all of these in the sequel. Still a good game, though.
>>381937040
>Vancian magic
It's out, unfortunately
>RTwP
Fuck you

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>>381937830
>They promised

>>381936316
lore dumps are unavoidable in a new ip anon

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>>381937912
it's a binding oath !
surely they would not l-lie to us, right?

>>381937912
I'm not saying I believe them. Just stating the promises.

>>381937709
Food analogies are the pinnacle of argumentation.

>>381935506
>go to 5 stars kebab
>they give you a bit of shit in a sealed container
>instead of realizing it's shit you smear it all over your food and complain it's shitty

>>381938142
>they give you a bit of shit in a sealed container
>it's okay somehow

>>381937951
Keep that shit in book you find around, not every npc should give you a history lesson

>>381938241
i don't know what kind of crazy stuff those kebabs eat

>>381931405
4chan is a relic of the internet

any "young" person that willingly chooses to visit here in 2017 is 10x worse

>>381925809

its so funny watching liberals trying to reappropriate whats already been appropriated to make fun of them

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>>381935935
They said it'll only happen if it makes sense for it to happen based on your relationship with that companion. Plus I imagine certain companions will just not be interested whatsoever.

There's only about 3 women in the party anyway, Kana's ranger sister Maia, Pallegina and a priestess called Xoti.

>>381936316
what did they do right?

Who the fuck asked for a sequel to this?

The first one put me to sleep, so fucking verbose.

>>381938980
The game has pretty graphics and vanity pets.

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Stop spamming rest.

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>>381939139
Make me

Still waiting for the streamlined sequel before I get into the series. Don't have time to learn and read all the shit in the first one.

>>381939139
>Implying
Alot of classes have per encounter abilities, healing is something that has so many different way to do that resting only happens when you run out if ways to heal.

>>381935006
>Somehow I managed to miss Durance, making my NPC party a bunch of fucking whiners.

No one whines as much as Durance.

>>381937586
I pushed ahead exploring before sleeping in the first town, which is a trigger event for Durance but ALSO opens up another exploratory path. I did the next exploratory path, then that triggers Durance to despawn (apparently).

I somehow found a way to avoid the most interesting PC in the game, and didn't realize it for 50+ hours as I went in playing blind. Only after I started to get extremely bored, did i hit the forums and wonder "WTF is this Durance guy?"

>>381941948
>most interesting
Much of PoE can be summarized in "words words words words words" but nothing in the game fits that description more than Durance. Fucking nothing he says is interesting and he seems to have the most text dumps of all companions. Not only that but all he ever does is grump and complain. Out of the 5 companions I had through the game he's the only one I never bothered learning the backstory of, outside of the basics of the godhammer stuff. Only kept him around because he's a Priest.

>>381939139
Design it so I can't