*Shoots at you*

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*shoots back*

*beep beep*

>>381891765
wh-WHO FUCK
*double jump backwards into a wall, take extra damage and back into the hallway*

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>>381891765
*absorbs your shots*

>>381892238
press Q to win games are not welcome in this thread sweetie

>>381891765
People unironically cry over this sentry.

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>>381891765
I´d hit that.

>>381892357
*eliminated team fortress 2 100*
lmao ez

>>381892357
Savage

>>381892357
*presses Q to win*
Better luck next time kiddo

>>381892357
Oh honey, you're trying to hard.

does anybody have that tf2 comic where there's a pyro main whining about reserve shooter being banned and then an engineer builds a mini sentry in front of him and he screams

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Rate my drunk Scotsman and post your own

>>381892615
Reserve shooter pyros don't get to whine about anything.

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>>381892514
Hard work pays off

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I'm happy that they nerfed mini-sentries sometime ago.

It means that I can play Scout a lot more since nobody uses mini-sentries anymore and Scout is the funnest class to play in the whole game. Back before the mini-sentry nerf, there were so many people using mini's that Scout was unplayable.

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*airblasts ur every rocket*

Gunboats don't seem like such a great idea now, do they?

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>>381893040
*Pulls out Shotgun*

gotcha faggot

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>Overshit beta was the biggest letdown since Fallout 3
>urge to reinstall TF2 rising
fug

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>>381892708

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am i the only fag still playing pass time

POST YOUR FAVOURITE GAME MODE OF ALL TIME AND YOU ENJOY NEARLY ALL MAPS OF IT
I'm a kothfag

>>381893426
I hop in from time to time, it's genuinely enjoyable, though its big core problem (like every TF2 game mode) is that once one team gets 4+ Engies the game just stops

engineer needs a rework to be less defensive and more offensive tbqh

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M2
M2
M2
M2
M2

Sunk cost: the game. Bravo to Valve for their piss poor attempts at balance as well

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>>381893615
Medieval Mode

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IT'S NOT FUCKING FAIR

>>381893260
I actually want to play Team Fortress 1 or some variant of it, but, you know, super dedgame

>>381893625
unless you open the bonus goal no one fucking understands that thing exists, kinda hard though if you play literally alone

>>381893686
I'm honestly totally fine with airblast as a mechanic. Even the brief movestun on the first puff isn't really a big deal to me. And Pyro is my least played class.

I MGE'd against a Pyro main recently, and while fighting against repeated puffing was annoying, I soon learned to rocket jump/S away from them, then hit them with hitscan or with rockets fired at weird intervals.

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>>381893821
Team Fortress 1 (Quake TF/Original) is dead, sure, but Team Fortress 1.5 (Half-Life TF/Classic) still has about 60 people playing it at any given time. It's worth a try.

>>381893885
Yeah I think Pass Time is designed for teams of people who understand its mechanics already, which is a shame since you're not going to find that in pubs and Valve weren't willing to sponsor tournaments for it or anything.

It seems to more get used as a DM map, especially in District's case. Still fun though.

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POST YOUR BEST MAP FMAGGOTS

I'LL START

>>381894245
>never played a different map then brickyard

>>381893947
A good way I found to blow the fuck out of casual m2 trigger-happy pyros is to just walk straight at them.
Some will wait for the rockets and literally do nothing until you're bumping into them, which is hilarious. But most will preemptively airblast when you get close enough and you can break their timing and rocket their face. Either way they look like retards and will stop trying to airblast every rocket you shoot.
Obviously this won't work with actual good players.

>>381894389
implying i won't just shotgun you in the face for trying shit like this like any remotely good pyro should

tfw non-stock scatterguns are all useless

tfw no mini sentry miniature for my desk

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>>381893040
>playing soldier
>meet enemy pyro
>watch as he sidesteps in place waiting for me to fire a rocket for a good 10 seconds
>pull out shotgun and kill him

alternatively just rocket jump away and go some other route

>>381894496
obviously you don't try this in a competitive game against a thousand hours player. try this in casual and I guarantee it'll work 90% of the time.

>>381892364
It used to be really scummy, but since they changed it in the Gun Mettle update back in July 2015, it's much more manageable.

>>381894346
Swiftwater
Borneo
CP Badlands
Snakewater
Snowplow

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>Played Pyro using stock flamethrower to reflect projectiles/push people and shotgun to kill
>Literally kill almost all of the entire team
Is Shotgun Pyro the true master race?

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>>381894346
Cactus Canyon

>>381895056
yes, yes it is.

>tfw TF2 is shit now because no autobalance and very fast map changes
I'm alright trying in a less than average skill team, but not having enough people as the enemy is just torture

>>381894346
cp_5gorge
pl_upward
ctf_doublecross
and tons I can't think of right now

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>>381892708
BOMB NIGGER

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>>381891765
I built that

>>381895545
You don't have the gunslinger equipped though

>>381893686
>reeeeee can't use my meme boots

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>>381895056
yes
you can shit on everyone except heavies and engineers with a brain if you just airblast well enough

>>381892357
overnerds btfo

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>>381895652
Didn't I?

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>>381891765
*Fulfills role as defender of team*

>>381891765
>no indestructible on construction
Only class that has to worry about this is a scout since by the time they locate it they are already too far around the corner

>>381894346
Steel is my favorite as well, too bad it's too complicated for new players and retards who can't follow signs.
Had to take it out of my list after a few games where half my team was lost on the map.
>when you're on BLU trying to cap A and an engie builds a tele going B that your whole team is trying to use
i-it's not like I actually wanted to cap a point or anything

>>381893040
>see pyro trying to air blast
>completely ignore him
>profit
Also I carry the airstrike so
>Pogo toward him
>shoot 5 rockets while strafing
>profit

>>381892357
Go fart on your dragon dildos kat.

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>>381892708
We wuz kangz. Demon pirate kangz. N shiet

>>381895696
You can shit on shitters with every class
Pyro is a joke for anyone not braindead

>>381894582
tfw no desk engineer

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>>381895812

just came to the realization that Ana's rifle is the fucking crusader from TF2 except that it's an over-time effect

>>381895858
>steals the focus of every single character in the game because it has perfect accuracy
that is pretty fucking big. if an engineer runs a shotgun which they will since rescue ranger isn't worth using for gunslinger, they can quickly kill most characters provided they don't use it as a simple distraction to get away. only heavies and combos really have a good (not great) chance of surviving against an aggro gunslinger engineer. watch out fat boi

>>381894869
good
good
good
good
eh

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>>381892708
cant beat this huh

>>381895056
absolutely
>50 more hp than scout
>only slightly slower
>resistant to afterburn
>airblast
>still have flamethrower for spies
shotgun pyro is underrated

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What's going on in this thread

>>381895812
Crossbow is probably the single most OP item in TF2 that people are fine with since it's a healer's gun.

Too bad honestly, I'm sick of the fact that Medic only has one viable loadout.

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>still no autocannon for the heavy

>>381896429
All the mediguns are viable for different situations

>>381896429
I mean I wouldn't say that, but it is limited.
You can replace the ubersaw with the amputator.
You can replace the medigun with any other one.
But that's as far as it goes.

>>381896429
people aren't fine with it, have you not seen the reception the recent update patch notes have gotten? people unanimously agree that both it and the rescue ranger are deserved nerfs. hopefully substantial enough to allow other players to use other primaries

>>381896441
>we will never get pure fun weapons again since everything has to be balanced around comp too now
feels bad man

>>381896367
>>only slightly slower
Don't say dumb shit like that anon.

>>381896838
if it isn't competitively fair it wont be a fun unlock. unless you actually believe weapons like crit a cola and reserve shooter are fun to play against. there is no reason fun weapons cannot be viable, such as loose cannon

>>381896838
I wish tf2 weapons were more like original weapons in their own right than just reskins of the original with a twist (that's also mostly stat-oriented)

more stuff like the flaregun please

>>381897263
We don't need to renvent the wheel every time, but unlocks should at least have an interesting side mechanic. Beggar's Bazooka and Air Strike do just that. Meanwhile, Direct Hit or Liberty Launcher are just stock with stat tweaks.

>>381896746
>You can replace the ubersaw with the amputator.
So how come no HL/6s Medics ever do?
>>381896838
Weapons can be balanced around comp and still be fun. See Holiday Punch, Cowfucker and Loose Cannon for three examples

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Valve will never make another game

>>381897576
They are making 2 games right now

I would kill for a tf3, I enjoy overwatch but I want that amateurish feeling of tf2 back again.
Playing overwatch is like everything is artificial, the personality of the characters is hamfisted too much.

>>381897473
Direct Hit isn't just a stat tweak to stock, you get minicrits for hitting airborne enemies also.
In general I'd call DH a great weapon design, it's fun as fuck to use and very balanced sidegrade to stock, not used more than stock either in comp or pubs

>>381896429
You know when I first saw the post that you replied to I genuinely thought
"Wow, you know I think this is the only weapon in the game that no one could get pissed at in any way shape or form."
Thanks for proving my wrong

>>381897552
Because HL/6s medics have less players to babysit. When healing a crowd of 11 or, god forbid, 15 people, AoE heal starts to sound a bit better.

>>381893615
dodgeball, smash fortress

>>381895812
>remove uber on heal
>increase ammo loss from -75% to -90% (15 spare bolts)
>add no random crits

>>381897131
>if it isn't competitively fair it wont be a fun unlock
I disagree. The Sandman (although unfun to play against, that I agree) is a fun weapon to play as and yet terribly competitively unbalanced while casually "balanced". Why is it balanced casually? In the original draft of TF2, you get to play in a 12v12 mishmash of explosions and bullets. In this state, the Sandman is more balanced than it is in either Highlander or Sixes due to more sources of damage the Scout can take, thus underlining the -10 HP reduction.

>>381897552
its banned in 6s ugc/united states whitelist

Why did *action* come back?

>>381897735
I'm pissed at Crossbow because it prevents me from having other options, as a Medic main.

If I pick any of the needleguns-- and I put a fair amount of time gitting gud at them in 2011, and enjoy using their unique aiming method-- then I am at a straight disadvantage to the enemy's Medics who use Crossbow.

Only TF2 weapon I've seen nobody be pissed at was The Classic.

>>381897263
>this so much of this
Imagine being new in the game and first getting the Soda Popper for the first time.
>has nothing to do with crits anymore
>still has crit-a-cola on it
Why the hell does it have the jumping ability when there could have been a new weapon to have the new attributes?

>>381897131
Why not just make the weapon attributes change during competitive anon?

>>381897854
>remove uber on heal
can't we just reduce it?
>>increase ammo loss from -75% to -90% (15 spare bolts)
Isn't really going to matter, Medic isn't going to fire 15 shots inbetween being in reach of ammo pickups
>>add no random crits
it's better in comp than it is in pubs

here's how to fix it
>reload time increased from 1.6s to 2s
>damage decreased from 38-75 to 25-75
>uber building changed from 1% per 16 healing to 1% per 25 healing

>>381898161
That's not Valve's goal currently. They want casual and comp players to play the same game.

>>381897927
No, that's factually wrong, go look it up
>>381897904
>although fun to play against, that I agree
Then why are you arguing with him?

>>381897904
>I disagree
>although unfun to play against, that I agree
i am actually confused anon

>>381897696
I don't know what you mean by amateurish since the character design and writing is just plain good, but I miss the pure chaos and the individuality that it brought

you can't go off to the side in an underpopulated area to have a whole epic struggle for 10 minutes with an enemy who had the same idea, everything in overwatch is basically a giant teamfight

>>381898276
https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Competitive_item_restrictions

>>381897696
I hate that overwatch tries to shove stupid fucking lore down everyone's throats when the core gameplay doesn't even have any story to it

>>381898276
>>381898296
It's unfun to play against, but it's fun to play with. Especially paired with the Cleaver.
Me personally never really got mad with getting stunned by the Sandman, I just think it's karma for all the times I stun others.

>>381898161
Because that's kind of stupid.

>Make yourself twice the amount of balancing work by having to balance every single weapon in 2 different ways
>Players spend 300 or so hours learning pub balance, then get into comp and have to learn entirely new comp balance in addition to all the other stuff they have to learn

No other game Valve manages has separate balance for comp and pubs, it's all just universal. Look at CS:GO and Dota to see what I mean.

How hard is it to master rocket airblast jumping? I tried to do it but I never get the rocket to go where I want it to go.

>>381896838
What people dont understand about balancing around comp is that valve is clearly going in the direction of ending the current meta 6s meta of 2 scouts, 2 soliders (roamer and pocket), one medic, and one demo, maybe sniper depending on the point. The only things they can do to stop that are to make 5cp not the main competetive gamemode, because its way too stall heavy and benefits classes with high mobility more, and rework classes to be better in more gamemodes/maps.

Im glad they nerfed most of the banned comp weapons in the proposed changes, but that wont really fix the fact that most of the core class interactions are designed around 12s rathet than 6s

>>381893615
>I'm a kothfag
good taste
I'm an arena mode fag myself, though

>>381897964
*grabs you by the throat* BACK THE FUCK OFF!?!?!!

>>381892357
B-but it requires skill and coordination I swear!

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>>381898529
Didn't they remove arena from valve servers as well as it becoming really rare in dedicated servers too?

>>381898385
That wiki page is VERY outdated. Here, look at this instead.

http://comp.tf/wiki/6v6_Global_Whitelist

Amputator is not banned in 6v6 and has not been for quite some time now.

>>381898361
Amateurish in the good sense, in the sense of a team of guys doing a game that they will personally enjoy, not a AAA game marketed towards everyone.

>>381898628
Got a link to a banlist that has reasons why certain items are banned?

>>381898626
Hi Arena anon. Im sorry ur fav mode is ded

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>>381898626
Yes. Pretty much every time it's run on community servers, it's some custom mode.

>>381898626
They removed it because of CSGO

>>381898759
>>381898797
>you will never relive those arena summers from so many years ago
sawmill best girl
>>381898883
dude what

>>381898726
The players and administrators at the Invite level who actually decide why weapons are banned are notorious for being very vague as to why, so most of the list won't have detailed explanations, but here's the closest you'll get:

>http://www.teamfortress.tv/41213/may-global-whitelist-changes

Since last year, all competitive 6s leagues use the same whitelist, which bans ~20 weapons out of the 170 present in TF2.

>>381898626
Arena is gone?

Fuck. I used to play it all the time back in like 2009-2011.

>>381898726
Not him, but generally they are vanned because they give a large advantage to the point where the only way the other team can match them is to also run the weapon.

>>381896361
How much for a stout shako?

>>381898951
If you want to play it now it's either vs. bots, or playing in Versus Saxton Hale servers with a bunch of (usually) cancerous morons and ugly custom characters.
Most of the people who enjoy waiting to respawn have moved over to CS:GO.

>>381899102
>Most of the people who enjoy waiting to respawn have moved over to CS:GO.

But Counter Strike is shit. At least TF2 had the capacity to let people play as a team.

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>That one total scrublord who STILL complains about minisentries past gun mettle

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>>381898220
Made me think about something anon.
According to Robin Walker himself all of the silhouettes of the characters were made to know what sorts of attributes that character had and how to take care of it.

So I wanted to know your TF2 main and tell me just by this silhouette how to take it out, you can also not do anything if you're stumped.

>>381899020
i dont care if its 1.33 i sell it for 2 refined

>>381898726
Certain items are banned because:
>They cause stalemates, by making teams defending last so good that nobody can ever capture last to actually end the game.
>They make a certain class so OP that both teams are forced to run it.
>They change the established 6s metagame so much that it forces a large number of players to re-learn all their skills.
>They are bugged.

>>381898883
Source?

>>381899285
Not him but that's a Demoman.
Besides, it's not like characters will ever actually be completely blacked out like that, otherwise you wouldn't be able to identify their team and visual clarity would thus be a rort anyway.
All TF2 official maps are well-lit.

>>381899285
Scout
Just dance around in his direction, Demos can't touch me

>>381899102
>ugly custom characters.
Slippery Slope: The Custom Game Mode, man.
It was fun as fuck in small doses on this custom gamemode server I played on, but then they kept wanting to play that very same mode and add retarded meme characters.
>>381899285
Not that Anon, but is that a Demo? I had to look kinda hard, but the shoes gave it away.

>>381899372
>>They change the established 6s metagame so much that it forces a large number of players to re-learn all their skills.
this is the dumbest shit I've read today

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>There are anons who play TF2 with only 6 players

>>381899556
Yeah I know it displays some serious complacency on their part, but apart from that, it sort of has a point. If Valve releases a balance change to, say, Quickiebomb Launcher just before competitive players are about to play the finals game of a tournament, they'll ban it so it doesn't interfere with the outcome of the tournament for dropping something unexpected on the players that they won't have time to retrain for.

>>381899729
If you want to play TF2 seriously, 12v12 is much less manageable for the purposes of communication and teamwork than 6v6.

Imagine 12 people all talking into their mic at once, are you really gonna be able to make anything out?

>>381899857
tournaments shouldn't run on new patches anyway, especially not one released right in the middle of one

early bans of new weapons should be standard anyway, like how new/reworked characters in dota are banned in the tryhard gamemodes for the first few months

>>381899981
TF2 was never meant to be played seriously

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>>381892708

>>381895096
I enjoyed what I played of this map. Too bad they're focusing on the jungle maps now instead of finishing it

>>381894346
ctf_well
cp_gorge
cp_mountainlab
koth_rainbow

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>>381900118
Does it matter what they "meant"? Originally they "meant" for random crits to be undisableable, too.

TF2 works damn well as a seriously played game, it's one of the most skilled ones out there. Don't you enjoy skilled games?

>>381899981
Why would I want to inhibit my fun if there's no profit to be made? I bet you don't play with micspammers too.

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>>381893040
It should not upset me that much, but usually when i encounter a pyro, they either run straight at me like a retard or start dancing like a crab until i shoot a rocket. The worst thing is that even after taking 1-2 shots, they charge instead of retreating.

>>381900175
>no Splendid Screen
>no Wee Booties
Shit nigger, what are you doing?

>>381901104
>namefagging
A highly co-ordinated team with good co-ordination doesn't inhibit fun, it engenders it.

>>381896429
Having never played TF2 for years I can't believe this

>>381901348
with good communication*

>>381900932
Better than those edgy edited bad replays

>>381899401
No, not Counter-Strike Source.

>>381901395
What would you rather have? A weapon that will maybe let you kill someone in a very specific situation in which you're screwed anyway, or a weapon that makes you better at your primary job 100% of the time?

>>381899729
16 players master race

>>381900175
Nice terrorist loadout.

>>381901690
Augh, ignorant!

>>381901395
Valve buffed it in 2012-- when it was a syringe gun sidegrade at the time-- and haven't stopped buffing it since only recently, now they've proposed a small nerf.
It's currently Medic's most used primary, picked by 60% of pub players and 99% of comp players.
It does everything: snipes enemies at long distance, heals at long distance, heals faster than Medigun, builds uber faster than Medigun, has faster moving projectiles than Syringe Gun, and passively reloads when you're not firing.

>>381901764
Yeah, it's a pirate terrorist

>>381901663
He's saying he doesn't understand because he wasn't around to see the buffs.

>>381893686

been a while since I played but wasn't there an update where valve basically made airblasts useless?

Like it costs less but basically does shitall

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>>381892357
Yeah, this is right click to win territory.

>>381895096
Will it ever be finished? It was my favorite too.

>>381902091
no
what valve did was make airblasts after the first one surfable, but still knock back players.
and they changed the airblast cost of the Degreaser only, so that it has 8 airblasts instead of 10.

>>381901348
Stressing out and focusing way too hard on what's going on in a virtual world sounds like the exact opposite of fun, especially if you gain absolutely nothing from trying as hard as you can.

It's not worth puting a cap on the incredibly chaotic nature of the game so 6 people can akwardly avoid talking over each other. I could understand if it was something that's RNG based like crits or OP like a weapon, but it gets to a point where you're taking things seriously and start to detract from the game.

>>381892708
I wonder if the anon with the Megumin set is here

>>381902446
>Stressing out
just because you find competitive stressful and antifun doesn't mean others do, namefig

>>381902629
Stop replaying to people with special names.

Christ, half this websites problems would be solved if you disregarded these special snowflakes opinions.

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Guys, how is my loadout? I got some cheap stranges and was told to use the dead ringer.

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Why does everyone say pyro needed a rework more than heavy again? At least pyro has airblast and weapons to help the engi against sappers, and can still cause havoc between enemies if he gets them by suprise. Meanwhile heavy gets shit on by every other class aside from pyro unless you have a medic on your ass 24/7.
>mfw it's gonna take at least another year after the Pyro update before I see the Heavy update

>>381902837
Heavy is actually picked every once and awhile in competitive 6's

in 4v4 heavy is extremely powerful

in highlander heavy is the core of the team along with medic and demoman.

Pyro, even in highlander is literally fucking unplayable. In 4v4 Pyro sees some play.

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Nobody uses this.

>>381902732
>implying Tripfags and Namefags even exist anymore

>>381902446
>Stressing out and focusing way too hard on what's going on in a virtual world
Maybe you do. What counts as "too hard", exactly? At what point does trying to actually win in a pub game become "stressing out"?

Any challenging game involves stress. That's why Dark Souls is so popular on /v/ for example. The stress makes the payoff of victory so much more sweet and rewarding.
>It's not worth puting a cap on the incredibly chaotic nature of the game so 6 people can akwardly avoid talking over each other
That's not the sole reason, just a single example of how a smaller team size can be more cohesive and have better teamwork than a large 12 man team.

100,000s of players think it's worth putting a cap on it. Who are you to tell them different? Next are you going to say 6s players are having "artificial fun"?

>>381903049
Onso is the only one i see around that has been around for a long time. Boco too i guess.

It would be really fun if they halved heavy's damage and doubled his fire rate so that your game goes "ding ding" more often.

>>381902270
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gmgvrl8x9JU
lol yeah same thing

>>381903171
>Not changing the hitsound to be autistic screeching

Fucking normies.

>>381902837
Heavy is a powerful and mostly bug-free class that most people don't mind fighting.
Pyro is the most broken, buggy, and underpowered class in TF2, which both newbies and comp players absolutely hate to fight.
That's why.
Stop bitching that you lost, just accept it like an adult.

>>381893730
Fucking T H I S

>>381903286
It'd sound like "ree-ree-ree" instead of "reeeeeee" though

>>381903286
>not to tourettes guy

>>381903274
whoahhhhh.... so.. this......... is.... the........ power......... of... overwatch............

>>381903326
>Stop bitching that you lost, just accept it like an adult.
???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDICaSDMjXY&t=0s
Thoughts?

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>>381900175
nice

>>381903689
You heard me.

>>381900932
I say it does matter what they meant, because unlike random crits, most of the maps and weapon balance come from the mindset of keeping it balanced for 12v12.

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>>381903714
He's wrong on the Pomson uber drain/cloak mechanic, on the suggestion that cooperative engineering be removed, and for saying that Short Circuit isn't OP.

He's 10000% right on everything else. Engineer as turtle is very bad for the game, it's like if soccer could have a full team of goalies.

Engineer should be less defensive, and more offensive/supportive.

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>>381901570
Anon I think he meant have you got any evidence

>>381903951
Quote the part in my post where I bitched that heavy lost

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>>381904327
Um the tone of your entire fucking post? You're wrong in saying that Pyro didn't need it more, and if you weren't bitching your post wouldn't exist.

This will be your last (you) since I'm pretty sure you're baiting.

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>>381901570

>>381904234
>>381904621
>what are jokes

>>381903274
tfw you kill the whole enemy team and it's not even exciting

>>381903078
>Calls someone out for being not liking difficulty
>At the same time he is making the game easier for himself because he can't manage more than 6 players
>Wanting to play with less shit going on because you can't handle the rugged chaotic nature of 12v12
You and 100,000s of players are having fun, but just have shit taste. Go back to counterstrike.

>>381904594
No, I just asked a question based on my experience with the game but because I said that I'm gonna have to wait a year or more to see the Heavy update (which is extremely likely and everyone knows how long this shit takes when it comes to Valve), you got the idea I was bitching or butthurt because you're a jaded faggot that browses /v/ too much so every post that doesn't agree with you must be bait

>>381894346
Powerhouse
Upward

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anons you all have it unlocked right?

>>381905241
I never even tried PASS time, is it fun?

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>>381904917
>I'm elitist for being bad at the game
Opinion discarded.

>>381905419
Yes.
>>381905241
That hat is an ugly sack of shit that doesn't belong in the artstyle. Fun mode though.

>>381905419
with a skilled friend you can win an entire match in less then 2 mins but alone it can be boring when you have an entire f2p team and enemy team rushes everything dead with 5 scouts all in a line, try it out its fun imo

jesus

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When is the caber being put back to its original state? Who gives a fuck what tryhard snipers on 2fort and Hightower think?

>>381906379
Valve sure as hell does if we look at them gutting the Pyro even further by preventing it from harassing them with flares.

>>381906629
>even further
I mean, they didn't release the pyro changes as far as I know, so for all we know that was a reasonable change due to pyro's new incredible powers of destruction

>>381906921
I hope you're right anon I really do. That they linked stuff like that frompyrowithlove site a while ago gives me some hope.

>>381906921

The problem is that Valve has made it extremely clear with the last few balance changes that they dont actually play this game. Hoping Valve has some great balance changes in mind is unrealistically optimistic.

The proposed change to the Ambassador alone shows they literally do not play the game. Introducing random chance to a weapon that is solely skill based. Also a straight buff to snipers since the Ambassador's main strength was vs. snipers.

>>381895545
That's the reason why he always wears the glove on his right hand.

>>381907454
Meant for
>>381895652

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>Friendly reminder that if you are upset about the DR or the amby being nerfed you are nothing but a childish spy game who doesn't give a shit about anything but "spy being da best" and doesn't give two shits about overall game balance.
Although you could argue they could've done the rebalancing a bit better.

>>381893040
*walks towards*

>>381907660
>Saying the ambassador nerf was a good idea

Hows it feel being mentally disabled. If Ambassador was too strong then why add more randomness to the game, you know, the one thing people want out of the fucking game? Why not make it only do minicrits on headshot at really far ranges instead of full crits? Wouldn't that be a more logical nerf to the weapon since they were clearly concerned with long range ambassador shots primarily, not close range?

Valve is fucking awful at balance changes because they don't know what they are doing. Their shitty interns are the only people who do anything with this game any more.

The Dead Ringer nerf was good though.

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>>381893615
Payload
I guess I'm just autistic.

>>381903274
>clip from beta

lmao

>>381907973
>Although you could argue they could've done the rebalancing a bit better.
Chill, dude. I agree with you. They should've capped the damage instead of adding randomness to a weapon that is supposed to reward accuracy.
Doesn't change the fack it needed a nerf though.

>>381892357
Uhmmm, yeah, honey bunch, could you just, uhm, idk, like, shut the fudge up pretty please? K thanx sugar pie C:

>>381895056
>stock flamethrower

lmao

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Every time I join a game in casual I am still consistently shocked and amazed at the levels of stupidity that I see from f2ps

Seriously, how hard are simple game concepts this hard to understand, that I see people constantly running into walls, uncloak directly infront of people, and run in with SMGs?`

>>381899285
soldier
rocket jump around so he can't pipe me

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>>381893615
CTF.

I like defending things, but usually the only person defending. In CP/KOTH you will get shit upon by 5 people grouping together, but in CTF it's usually just 1 scout or a Soldier/Medic pair.

I just like to defend things successfully.

>>381893615
I unironically enjoy playing on Koth Turbine

>>381908389
I used stock since it's the only flamethrower that only wastes 20 of its ammo when using airblast. I use the degreaser for its faster weapon switch too.

>>381908413
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUk4RIv97MQ

>>381908413
I hate when people defend them saying "y-y-you were also bad at the game when you first played it!" and ignore there's a big button in the menu called TRAINING

>>381907406

Nah man, I have to agree with that change. The only one that should be allowed long range headshots is the sniper. The spy can't have a weapon that essentially does his job without needing a zoom. His job is to get in there himself. Playing it safe from a distance completely ruins the point of his class.

>>381909569
With Valve's brilliant UI design, you now actually have to scroll down to see it.

>>381909897
Then cap his goddamn range, don't just introduce RNG where there was none before.

>>381910028
Technically they did that, and you can still score a perfect headshot from a closer range. You just can't shoot from a distance anymore.

>>381909929
Why did they even have to change it again? It was completely fine before. If it was just for the sake of the removal of quickmode, then they're just fucking stupid.

>>381901796
>passively reloads when you're not firing
Don't all guns do this?

>>381892772
>Engineer's level 1 turret actually has practical use
>Torjorn's level 1 is just a shit heap

>>381908413
You should take a look at this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFNI-3Q8JgQ&t=68s

>>381910813
That guy didn't word it quite right. It's like flare gun, it reloads by itself when holstered.

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How do we make this less of a defensive powerhouse without unfairly nerfing it to the ground?

>>381911435
Triple ammo consumption

>>381911435
mark the Engie for death

>>381911435
Make the sentries be disabled for 6 seconds after it's been used.

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>>381910824
Yeah i did the numbers a while ago and comparatively, his level 2 sentry does less damage than engineer's mini sentry.

The average lowest hp for tf2 is 125, where 4/9 classes has 125hp

The mini sentry does 48 DPS, taking three seconds to kill the average class.

Toblerone's level 2 turret does 56 damage a second, and a fair amount of heroes have health in the 200-300 range, taking 4 seconds to kill most classes, not counting armor which is a slight damage reduction, and the fact some classes have 500-600 health, shields which block damage entirely as well.

He just feels so pitifully weak. No to mention most characters do solid damage at range, and can easily take out his turret if they focus on it, since he repairs it for 50 health per swing, and every projectile I can think of in ow from what I can remember has no falloff. Though it is a 6v6 situation, and his turret is meant to be a deterrent to flankers, so it shouldn't be that powerful, and it has a much quicker setup.

>>381908209
>implying ults have changed significantly since the beta

>>381911435
I dunno, a couple second delay for the damage reduction to kick in.

>>381912432
Considering he can heal himself with armor and his gun makes him a mini pre-nerf hog

>>381900175
Use caber and booties for full terroristcore fashion

>>381902808
fuck you

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>>381895056
>always used degreaser, stock and rake
>always one steap ahead of everything that isn't heavy+med or really well hidden sticky trap
It's so good
Deg to immediately switch to it to reflect in an emergency, fire has been a joke all the way since they added jarate. Shotgun shits on everything. Rake because
>medics
>healing spies or pyros
Even snipers get more of that.
I always feel good when I catch a faggot using flarepunches, axetinguisher or reserve shooter. It's even better when I find a soldier or scout that think they're hot shit. And it's absolutely fantastic when I find a soldier that thinks he's even hotter shit and pulls his own shotgun on me. Though I have a lot of respect for people that carry the ol' shotty.

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>>381892708

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POST CONSTRUCTION WORKERS AND RATE

>>381902808
gay

>>381913552
That's a pretty stylish demo

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>>381913743
6/10 looks pretty common imo

i have mastered the edge loadout cant beat that

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>>381913743
Hola amigo/10

>>381903714
I like Uncle Dane's commentary on the game, but removing cooperative engineering and boosting engi's healing capabilities are both terrible ideas. If you can win by spamming lvl3 sentries than that's a problem with the map, not the class.

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>>381913743

>>381913743
Do people really like the rainbow colored weapons
Seriously, we have red and blu, obviously because of the artstyle, then we have a few sets, you can mix and match, like your's looks nice, but then you go and fuck it up with piss/vomit looking shotgun.
And the ~expensive~ pistol that does not match fucking anything. Why?
And please take off the book.

>>381892357
lmao look at how many assblasted blizzdrones got triggered by this post

>>381914373
good point

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>can fly
>fastest rollout
>second largest natural HP
>hitscan
>shits on every class in one on one combat
>best class to pocket
>multiple viable unlocks
>great in every mode of play
>no noticeable weakness
>high skill ceiling

When will they fix this class?

>>381914387
Holy fuck, I just realized I'm using a rescue ranger and gunslinger, going to fix that right now

>>381895056
I still prefer regular flaregun to shotty. I got gut with it and can really be an annoying piece of shit. The combo pretty much guarantees a kill on any low hp classes

>>381914551
>fastest rollout

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>>381894346
10/10 map

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>>381913743
What does /v/ think of my grease monkey?

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>>381915096
kek

>>381915096
Underage/10

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I wouldn't call myself a soldier main, but it is my most played class. When in doubt, pick soldier etc.

>>381915286
Are you the one who made this vid?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frBfj7RV7uU

>arena will never come back
>arena maps will never be converted to koth
fuck this shit

>>381915423
no, i just named my shotgun like that after i saw this video

>>381893040
When I encounter a pyro in a big enough space I like to try to be fancy by rocket jumping to his left or right and then pelting him with multiple rockets so it's hard/impossible for him to deflect them back into me.

I think a good player would be able to handle that though.

>>381903274
this is sad because shadowburn is actually a really good player, but this clip is just him literally pressing Q, looking in the general direction of the enemy, pressing shift and holding left click. until everything is dead. extremely unexciting and skillless.
sad to see those great players moving to mobawatch just because that's where the blizzard money is

>>381893615
I love Payload. It's the only gamemode I really play.

I occasionally try control points in casual to get a taste of what competitive "feels" like but I never really enjoy it. I'm sure it's better when it's 6s though.

>>381900175
>not ali baba's wee booties
what are you doing?

>>381895056
backburner + reserve shooter can absolutely destroy teams on a flank. I've done it multiple times.

it's only an issue when the enemy engi sets up a sentry to cover their flank.

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>>381913743

>>381917097
>backburner

causes such rage. love that weapon.

>>381902989
I used to. Used to.

>>381915423
>Heavy's Nigger Knockers

>>381907660
Spy is literally the worst class in the game. Nerfing him in any way is a terrible idea. Nerfing him in a way that marginalizes skilled play is an ever worse idea.

>>381917952
>retard mulligan
>skilled play

>>381917952
I never had a problem with the amby. Never played spy. I liked that he had an option like that. they are too easily countered by aware players.

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>>381892708

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>>381911435
remove the shield from the sentry
give the engie 50% damage reduction while it's deployed with an active sentry
there, fixed. it now fulfills its purpose of letting the engie respond to long-range harassers without getting headshotted to oblivion but doesn't make the sentry indestructible when the enemy team actually wants to push

>>381903714
This is the kind of person you idiots listen? No wonder the community sucks.

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>>381893040
real nigga hours

>>381896397
Is she the final boss of TF2?

>>381919927
nope, the administrator can fuck reality itself apparently.

>>381900175
Nigger, where's the Caber?

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rate my medick

>>381918513
nobody would give up the pistol to stop long range harassment.

>>381908357
lmao look how autistic and assblasted you are, re-read that fucking post you made

>>381920443
the damage reduction also helps engie sentry jump

>>381920569
and what use is that. you would jump and get instantly shit on.

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>>381892708
Uncle Krampus gonna fuck you up.
Festive Bottle when Volvo

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>>381892123
It hurts

>>381891765
I love Minis, it gives me a reason to run Direct Hit and Huntsman full time.

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>>381894346
cp_orange

>>381905419
yeah, i recomend going demoknight,the maps have lots of corridors where you can drop on someone going alone

>>381908167
Payload is great for being an absolute dick spy in f2p groups

>>381892357
Most ults are very easy to avoid or counter by themselves.

>>381913239
I don't understand the fascination Soldiers have with carrying the memeboats or the backpacks when they know there is a Pyro that actually knows his shit. Yet they still decide to take that fight thinking it's just a Pyro. I am a super soldier main. Airblast was specifically designed to deal with projectile spam and stacking.

>>381920283
Where'd you hear about that? I don't recall the Administrator ever using supernatural powers.

>>381900175
bombinomicon?

>>381922791
in the comics ms pauling literally opens a door in the middle of nowhere and end up in a room with the administrator

>>381922782
I'm so used to shitty pyros that sometimes I keep shooting thinking the first airblast was just luck. Most of the time I kill them with the shotgun though, the versatility is just too big to swap it for the gunboats.

>>381922882
Isn't that just her hallucinating after she lost a ton of blood?

>>381923108
Pyro, Sniper and Spy are in the unholy trinity of so commonly shit that the one in a million good player will straight up rape half the team before anyone takes them seriously

>>381923397
Pyros that can airblast sentry rockets back at a sentry are a surprise. But since every engineer uses the rescue ranger now. It does nothing. If the Engineer is turtling behind a wall there is nothing a Pyro can do outside an uber. Unless the engineer is dumb with a Wrangler and just firing rockets like he doesn't care.

a lot of tf2 shilling threads lately. is it because of the update coming out soon?

>>381923923
>threads about a 10 year old f2p game are shilling

and yet another word has lost all its meaning

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>>381923923
>shilling

>>381924226
Considering how much they make off of boxes in that 10 year old game yeah people can still shill for it

When is the update coming?

>>381924847
sometime in July most likely, given that every other update in the past few years has

>>381923923
Maybe. At least is not hots shilling anymore

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>>381924968
>Update
Need to fix my machine, but my body is ready. Time to blow up noobs again.

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>>381924250
>Implying mods do this
>What is inspect element

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>>381903714
>>381904208
>>381914143
Did anybody see the proposed changes to the Panic Attack? I've been running a total Assault Engineer loadout (pic related) and I've been a massive backstop for the team; any push the power classes make, I fortify with dispenser, mini-sentry and four-shot bursts from my shotgun that I got gud enough with to one-burst heavies at short range.

But now they want to completely take the burst-fire mechanic away! I'm extremely asshurt about it because it'll force me to go Widowmaker if I want to keep up the burst fire capacity, but that endangers my metal supply!

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>>381903714
>prevent engineers from interacting with other engineers
dropped

>>381925214
>implying there's anything wrong with the image
What part of "talking about video games on a video game board is not viral marketing, you dumbass" do you disagree with?

>>381925251
>but that endangers my metal supply!
Land your shots then, as it is the Panic Attack is too gimmicky and makes no sense from a conceptual level.

Maybe they could go the Equalizer route and make another weapon that keeps the spirit of the original.

>>381925571
I genuinely think that there are shills on this board from time to time.

I don't agree with that sperg who thought TF2 discussion was equivalent to shilling. Oddly "advertising" that a game is on sale that nobody's ever heard of is usually what I consider to be shilling. Less discussion of the game and more about whether or not you should buy it.

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>>381925684
It makes all of the sense on a class that uses it as its main gun, but not as a secondary. Engineer uses it as the main gun. I always run around wth four shots loaded and use it to obliterate fags who think an Engineer can't fight, but I know that it's barely useful on Soldier, Heavy and Pyro. Unless you're being a Heavy and are totally Fatscouting it.

>>381907660
>he actually thinks that the spy would ever outclass the sniper in effectiveness or damage because the ambassador rewards accuracy
>he actually thinks that everyone who thinks the ambassador change is retarded is a spy main
I hate to tell you, anon, but you're actually a fucking retard

>>381921556
t.sniper main

>>381897854
>>381898195
are you guys retarded
I know >>381896429 is because he baits every thread, but there's an actual nerf that's better and more elegant than what either of you suggested http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=30147

>>381926550
The problem is that the crossbow is still incredibly good for healing. Hell, they could flatout remove Uber build on hit and it would still be the best medic primary.

LOOK AT ME! I AM AUTISTIC

>>381893260
>reinstall

I just updated last night after over 2years. New server browser is shit and a lot of maps/game modes are gone but was still fun.

>god I miss arena

>>381896397
Olivia is much too cute for the lewd thoughts I have of her

>>381927014
Ok.

>>381893424
i giggle

>>381927247
Yellow eyes are a sign of demonic posession. She is already a succubutt.

>>381927518
More like she might be juicing on Australium.

>>381927672
That's even sexier

>>381908357
/v/ is prison gay do not mock the gays

>>381927221
what the fuck, arena is gone? i havent played tf2 in almost 10 years, why would they remove that? i was actually thinking of reinstalling just to dick around even though i know tf2 has become beyond garbage. is there a website or something where i can see a list of changed/removed features without scrolling through patch notes of every single fucking update they have released?

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>bought poker night at the inventory 1 and 2
>got sweet hats

n i c e

now all I need to do is beat max so i can get that lugermorph

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>>381927672
Just like the administrator. really makes you think.

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What's a good medic misc to go with Modest Pile of Hat and Nine-Pipe Problem?

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>>381904208
>He's wrong on the Pomson uber drain/cloak mechanic
Both of those mechanics are fucking stupid and need to go. It would be just fine if they changed it to a longer range shotgun with penetration at the cost of some damage.

>on the suggestion that cooperative engineering be removed
While I don't like removing teamwork from TF2 I can't think of any other way to nerf engie stacking and I don't think anyone in this thread has a better alternative either.

>and for saying that Short Circuit isn't OP.
Agreed on this

>>381914143
What's wrong with boosting engie's healing? Medic is way too powerful right now he needs to get taken down a peg. AoE heal is also a niche that hasn't been filled yet in TF2 and engie could fit that role with a dispenser backpack or something.

>>381916763
Cool, so you should have no problem playing at this level then! What are you waiting for? Go get them esports bux

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>>381902808
HELLO

>after they take out penetrating shots, I never hear a single complaint about the ambassador
>almost a literal decade later, now people are calling it op because it infringes on sniper and his roll
>but it's ok for sniper to have something like the buff banner and fire extinguishing in the form of jarate, and still be the safer bet for a pick class

????

>>381929191
People don't like the ambassador's range on spy because he can get to anywhere on the map unlike sniper and if you try to punish he just cloaks and hides until you get bored.