What are your thoughts about piracy? http://www.strawpoll.me/13287131

>>381854797
If you defend your thievery with anything other than "I don't want to spend money" you're a huge faggot.

bump for votes

Fuck society, do what you want.

>>381854996
My favorite meme ;)

>>381854885
>I don't want to spend money.
That's my reason for piracy. Also,
>thievery
This isn't thievery. It's piracy.

I pirate games knowing its wrong and i dont care, im not all "haha these faggots bought that game?!?! What idiots" i just torrent it, play it, and talk about it with others who like it. also im poor as fuck, i torrent music way more than i torrent games or movies combined, ive probably only bought like 3-4 albums

>>381855089
Piracy and theft is the same thing.

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LMAO

>>381855117
Thievery would be taking a physcal copy of the game

>>381855089
This is the same as saying fapping to traps isn't gay. Enjoy your time with your cognitive dissonance. It won't last forever.

>>381854797
YAR HAR FIDDLE DEE DEE

I only pirate games I have a very hard time acquiring legally (Touhou, VNs, etc.) or already own on other platforms with some exceptions (I almost never pirate console ports for games I really enjoyed and want success on PC)

>>381855117
Copying is not theft.

>>381855224
>>381855323

"The action of taking (another person's property) without permission or legal right and without intending to return it."

??

It's the mark of a poorfag, a stain on society.

>>381854797
I've done it before but I buy the majority of my games. As long as you don't try to defend it like a faggot I don't care

>>381854797
I used to pirate everything but now I just buy stuff on steam when they go on sale since it's a lot more convenient, with auto-updating and all that
never gave a fuck about morals

>>381855323
Copying isn't piracy, wish people would stop identifying as pirates out of solidarity. It's what the copyright freaks want.

>>381854797
If there is an unlimited supply of a good then the value of it = zero.

there is nothing morally wrong with piracy. You can pay for things if you want, but that makes you retarded.

>>381855368
Perhaps this helpful educational video can explain to you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeTybKL1pM4

>>381855368
>taking
See thats the difference

>>381855368
How does one take or return a non-physical product of unlimited quantity?

>>381855027
It's not a meme, in the grand scheme of a millions years of planetary activity, nothing you do, say or accomplish has any real impact on the universe. Enjoy breathe, fuck everyone else around you, get yours.

>>381855465
bandwidth isnt unlimited

>>381855497
Nihilism and moral relativism is also a meme.

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>>381855368
>falling for the property meme in 2017

>>381855592
>being a property-destroying commie

>>381855590
Fuck nietzsche, just act on urges and don't question the particulars until you're about to croak.

I pay for games that i actually love amd want to see more of

Rimworld, Dragons Dogma, Crusader Kings, cosmetic stuff in Warthunder etc

>pirate 7 wiiu games I never got around to buying
>$80 CAD+tax each to buy
>all of them are shit that I don't play for more than 30min-1hour
>saved almost $700
>this is why I pirate

>>381855675
What if my urge is to better myself and society, and leave behind a legacy that makes people think positively of me?

>>381854797
>paying for games and movies
No, thanks.

>>381855803
This. If you need some kind of ideology to make you have this urge than you are not mentally human

>>381854797
I pirate big games and buy more niche games that are more in need of the support. Nier, Hollow Knight and Trails I bought, Tomb Raider, Mass Effect and Assassin's Creed games I pirate.

Don't even care.

>>381855550
You pay the ISP for the bandwidth. Thats has nothing to do with the unlimited supply of the data.

>>381855803
Based on that, I'd assume you live an extremely comfortable and cushy life. You lucked out, props.

>>381855465
Not really, cause you forget the effort to make it. Also, the point of intellectual property rights is to create a system that fosters the sciences and arts. Under your system, we'd all die of polio.

>>381856062
I do live comfortably. I started from the bottom, worked hard, and made it happen. And I empathize with the videogame developers who bust their asses every day making amazing content for YOU to enjoy, and you thank them by taking a dump on their hard work.

Do anti-pirates seriously buy all their music, tv shows, and movies too?

>>381854797
I should not care but piracy hurt paying costumers more than it hurts BIG publishers

>>381856213
idgaf about other forms of media, personally. I don't respect or like the people who run that show. So I have no problem pirating their work. I do respect game developers though, and want to do my part in advancing game development and gaming as a mainstream hobby.

>>381854797
I never pirate but I don't care that people do.

However, I think if you pirate a lot, then you're probably an unreliable person. You obviously prioritize maintaining your lazy lifestyle over getting a job and other hobbies that aren't about endless entertainment consumption. I don't pirate because I don't even have time to play all the games I can afford to buy.

>>381856186
I think not, That's more of a upper middle class thing to say. Even the masters quote, and when you go from shit to 'something', you don't change fight tactics.

>>381855231
Fapping to traps is straight, nigga.

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>>381854797

I pirate because I'm not loaded, but I also don't like that I have to pirate because I'm an adult and not a teenage edgelord.

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>>381854797

I barely even play modern games, and for the ones that I do I just pirate them and mostly regret it every fucking time.

I hope this industry burns, I don't give a shit how much money these greedy cocksuckers make. If I knew how to pirate back in the early 2000s I still wouldn't have done it because I genuinely loved some studios that made games. Now I hate everything.

>>381856330
so its okay for people who don't respect game developers to pirate their shit?

I pirate games and still end up feeling like I got ripped off for the time investment fairly often.

>>381856161
Counterpoints:
1) Effort doesnt imply something is valuable, if i dig a hole and then fill it, im not entitled to money for said work. The market decides if my effort has a value and that value can easily be = zero.
2) You are using outdated arguments defending IP laws. Nowadays you can easily eliminate every single IP law and replace it with a system similar to kickstarter. If there is demand for a good then people will fund its development, of course in this new system the good will be free after its development. There will always be people willing to invest in those innovations and people willing to work for the money of said people.

>>381856606
You don't like getting something for free over paying for it?
You don't have to pirate at all. If you truly cared, you wouldn't steal stuff.

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>>381856760

Piracy is not stealing.

Piracy is Just Making a Copy™.

>>381856725
You are deciding it has value by playing it.
Your analogy assumes nobody uses the hole at all.

Then you literally defend kickstarter. You are delusional.

>15% sales tax
>Currency in a free fall leads retailers to raise prices in an attempt to cope
>100 dollars for a digital download of a video game with performance hampering denuvo
>atrocious season pass/dlc schemes mean up to 200 dollars of extra content on top of the initial purchase

I'll probably never buy a video game again.

The thing is, the law does not protect the people. The people protect the law. And digital piracy is a petty crime in a gray area where people don't care because it's a hassle to prove.
In my country, digital piracy is only considered a crime if you distribute copyrighted material for monetary gain. If you use it for your own recreational purposes, they couldn't care less.

>>381856186
Note that pirates are rarely potential customers.

>>381856837
It still works, the hole is 2 miles back in the woods, by the river at the entrance to a cave.

No one notices, may as well spit in the ocean.

>>381856234
https://torrentfreak.com/new-control-denuvo-piracy-protection-cracked-170602/

“Protection now calls about 10-30 triggers every second during actual gameplay, slowing game down. In previous games like Sniper: Ghost Warrior 3, NieR Automata, Prey there were only about 1-2 ‘triggers’ called every several minutes during gameplay, so do the math.”

What's the difference between pirating a game and listening to an illegal upload of a song on Youtube?

>>381856959
How does this relate to me making a game and people deciding they don't like it enough to pay for it, but like it enough to steal it and play it?

>>381856654
Do you still play old games?
I went back and started playing games i liked when i was younger. Guess what? I still like them

why do people change their minds about piracy once they have a stable "job"?

>>381857195
No idea at least I didn't.

>>381857195
I've got a stable, well-paid job and me and the lads in the lab pirate the ever living shit out of modern games

>>381857195

Because most humans are not psychopath objectivists and are generally inclined to care about the well-being of others in their community.

>>381856837
Using something doesnt mean it has value, it just mean you have a use for it. Value is how much you are willing to pay for it. If i can get something for free and use it, then its value is zero, even though it might be the most useful thing ever.

The idea behind kickstarter is at least coherent with the free market, it makes sense for a videogame/movie/song to have a value if it doesnt exist yet since it might have a high demand but the supply is nonexistant (since it doesnt exist yet), therefore it makes sense to pay for that. It also disappears all of the marketing costs since you dont care how many more people download it after its release; but you do care about keeping the consumer happy since in a kickstarter environment the only thing bringing people back to you is your reputation.

>>381857065
You're going to come to my show, you're going to hit like on my facebook page and maybe even buy a nice screen print from me. Piracy is the best thing to happen to music. Only the old and the greedy think otherwise.

>>381857195
I didnt, i still dont waste money on games, why would i?

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>Income of $544 AUD a fortnight
>Rent is $400 a fortnight
>Do I feel justified in torrenting games
Yes, definitely

Then again even if I had the money and I could get it for free, I would.

Who /mad/ here?

>tfw only buy multiplayer games and I only ever will
feels good man

>you are why developers are making bad games
lol
it's my fault that dev studies are becoming insanely incompetent?

And you're telling me I should buy games ;-)

>>381857430
Same thing happens with games. I pirated the PS2 SMT games and then bought a shitton of SMT games on the 3DS

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>>381854797
Where is the "I pirate digital games but always buy physical games" option?

>>381857598
>always buy physical games
as opposed to what, shoplifting them?

>>381857682
avoiding them, which is a valid third option.

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I've pirated sicne the fall of demos. Demos for video games are rare nowadays and most fucking video games that come out are complete shit and aren't worth the price tag. so yes pirate is fine and theirs nothing wrong with it. Think about it, since the mainstream of the internet has there been any cases where an artist or producer has gone bankrupt due to piracy? no so fuck off.

>>381857598
And where is option "I pirate only on PC, but then I buy console version of the game I pirated"?

There should be an option for "Yes, I pirate games but I know that it's dishonest."

>>381857856
Not bankrupt, you got rich. In the early to mid thousands, before the internet got all super gay and stringent those who floated the free downloads on the constant got the plays in the club.

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>>381854797
james bond pirated the goldeneye key
if England is ok with piracy, so is America

>old ass files not available for sale to actually give money to developer/publisher
perfectly acceptable

>newly released titles with trillions of copies in existence
at least wait a few months for the inevitable director's cut with 37 seconds of alternate ending

>>381854797
Moralcucks btfo

>>381854797
I don't do it personally, but I see why people pirate from huge companies like EA. As for one or two man teams making a game from the ground up over years of labor, a part of me is like "give them a fucking break"

>>381854797
I'm a smart individual who don't buy games that can be easily obtained for free. Only games I buy are online ones that can't be pirated.

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>>381860727
>"smart individual"
>doesn't know how to play pirated games online

keeps shit game developers in check

>>381854797
Is the game good? i buy it.

Is the dev shit and/or the game shit? i pirate it.

I personally do it for older games that are on a dead system/hard to find, but I am not a big fan of pirating recent or newly released stuff. I don't care if others do, but it is something I am not a fan of.

I don't pirate anymore except for TV shows that don't air until much later in my country after the US.
I subscribe to the idea that if someone pirates your game, the chances are they were probably never going to pay for it anyway. I also believe that pirates have no right to complain about anti-piracy measures companies take to prevent it.
Remember, the product you are stealing would not exist if people weren't paying for it.

>>381855368
Making a copy is not taking

>>381854797
the only way to save dead games

>>381854885
what if someone """"steals"""" something that's not available at the stores anymore

>>381855368
you are stealing somebody's quotes, thief!!!!!!!

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I don't give a shit. I'm not about to play the internet used lottery or shell out a bunch of cash (not mutually exclusive) for underprinted or old games. Who is it hurting if I pirate, say Fire Emblem Path of Radiance for the gamecube? The people asking ~100 dollars for a used copy? Fuck them.

This actually makes me sad

>>381854797
I AM THE PIRACY

>>381865864
HE IS THE ONE WHO KNOCKS

>>381855738
>all of them are shit that I don't play for more than 30min-1hour
>What is the sunken cost fallacy?
I don't know about anyone else, but when I load up on 5+ games on a system from piracy I just bounce back to games I bought within the day. It happened with my 3DS, Vita, and Wii U

>>381854797
If a company's fan base doesn't love them enough to pay for their game, then the game wasn't worth it to begin with.
Piracy keeps shitty games from being published.
I buy all the games I like because I want to support the developers and I want to get all the patches.

I used to do it a fair bit.

I did it to mostly get things I

a) Couldn't buy anymore

or

b) Did not think were worth the price they were going for.

Now I don't do it much, I can afford games all I want, but I still don't buy things unless they drop to a price I find acceptable.

I for sure would not have bought most the games I pirated by far, and the ones I did really really enjoy I bought copies of.

>Pirate game
>Enjoy it
>Pay for it

Boom not fucking hard.

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>>381854797
>>381854885
This is a PAL region game, I live in a PAL region country, my legally bought 3DS is of the PAL region, however this game didn't come out in my country, it's not on the eShop, and out of stock everywhere. Nintendo doesn't even want my money in this case.

>>381866289
>expecting 4chan to use an honor system

Anyone who comes on here and condemns piracy is nothing more than a virtue signaling moralfag, and there is no excuse for doing or being either.

>>381866451
Kinda like condoms, you could use one, but you won't.