Best GTA EVER

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>not San Andreas

kek

>tfw GTAIII is the closet we'll ever get to a 3d cyberpunk GTA

>>381840731
Tfw I am 5'6

>>381840310
you start

rockstar will never set a GTA in your shitty little town

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here comes the rain again falling on my head like a memory
falling on my head like a new emotion

>>381840310
Atmospheric.

When the mobile version of GTA3 came out I played it on my 3GS, controlled like ass but it blew me away I was playing GTA on my phone.

>>381840310
just finished it for the first time yesterday, it was pretty shit desu, hope vice city is better
in the navy

>>381841123
I want another game with a lowkey psychopath protagonist. Bring in John Travolta or something, seriously.

>>381841850
>lowkey psychopath protagonist.
explain
Claude is lowkey?

>>381840310
I always found water droplets appearing on the camera to be distracting. I don't know why every game did it at the time, other to show that they could.

>>381841123
This has got to be a mod right? Or is PC version just that much better?

>>381842063
Of course it's a mod. The PC version is nearly the same as the PS2 version, but with an MP3 player and some other minor differences.

>>381841621
Vice City has better mechanics and controls, but 3 has a better map.

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>>381842063
It's originally a feature from the Xbox version but now somebody made a mod of it for the PC version.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW0RtIHiHzQ

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I'm ready for President Love in GTA6.

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>>381843190
too bad they fucking made him a cannibal in the prequel.

>>381841068
At least I have Postal 2, it's just like the shitty little town I grew up in just an hour or two south of RWS headquarters.

MSX FM DRUM TO THE BASE

>>381842221
Wait, it was Xbox exclusive? I love those raindrops so much and was heartbroken that it wasnt in the PC release until now.

>>381843372
Good thing that's a different timeline than they got going now and doesn't count.

AND WE GON GIVE THIS AAAAAALL THAT WE GOOOOOOOOOT

>>381843471
Yes there were a lot of things they added in the Xbox version, like more posable hands than just the ones the models are stuck with more reflection on the cars etc

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>TFW Darkel was taken out due to 9/11
9/11 ruined a lot of things media-wise

>>381843372
They mentioned his "morgue parties" in GTA3 though. They were just elaborating on that.

>>381841068
>he lives in a shitty town
satisfied in the knowledge they'll eventually do a Boston game

>>381844020
You're saying you wouldn't house a morgue party?

>>381841068
You should be thankful your town doesn't have a high enough crime rate to warrant that

>>381843453
bass

>>381840310
Nigga is that rain falling out of the muthafuckin sky?

>>381844157
massachusetts is fuckin garbage dude

>>381843638
risin' to da top

>>381840790
2 is far more cyberpunk and technically 3d

>>381844841
Bleh. 2 is almost still playable, but the shooting is absolute ass without any kind of lock on.

Close to beating Vice City (a few asset missions away from unlocking the final missions), anything I should know about San Andreas before heading in? Also what's the closest radio station there to anything on Vice City

>>381841981
Compared to Trevor, yeah.

I just mean I like Niko, John Marston, etc. But Claude and Tommy and CJ fit much better.

>>381840892
so what?

>>381845341
Remember to follow the damn train.

K-DST is the best station.

>>381843557
you sound like someone who reads clickbait articles unironically

>>381845341
Unfortunately none of the San Andreas radio stations can hold a candle to VCPR

>>381845341
Don't save in Mad Dog's mansion. It triggers a glitch that won't let you train in the gym anymore.

The game really kicks in when you get in Flint County.

>closest radio station there to anything on Vice City
Playback FM, SF-UR, K-DST and Bounce FM have mid-late 80s music, which in San Andreas would just be considered music from a few years ago.

Also, you just have to follow the damn train.

>>381840731
why does he feel sorry for his dad?

>>381846359
His son is a manlet.

>>381846480
even Caesar and Kendle were calling him a midget

>Following Ryder's death, Cesar tells Carl that Ryder once tried to have sex with Kendl.
explain

>>381848032
He wanted to foog

>>381848032
I feel like they hastily rewrote the game to make Ryder a villain.

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So why was he a grunting neanderthal? Was there even a reason?

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>>381840731
Reminder

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>>381849396
You don't even need such a clusterfuck to notice how small the map really is

>>381849396
All that empty forest space which looks cool and ripe for exploring but there's nothing to do there. Still, a great game and I like just cruising all around the map in a fast motorbike or car.

>>381849396
>>381849567
They still used the map space effectively. Playing through the game feels like a huge adventure going from place to place, unlike say GTA5's map which is huge but less exciting.

>>381840731
>kek
Get fucked, underage.

>>381849908
lel

>>381843841

GTA took out the twin towers, didnt it? MGS2 took them out too.

Late 2001 was not a fun time.

>>381849730
Did you ever think that it had that affect because you were 13? and GTAV didn't because you had to worry about going to work the day after, spending 60$ on it and what not?
I could be talking out of my ass here but a lot of the cynicism around new games these days feels like a bunch of people that failed to realize that this shit affects your day to day psyche and try to act like everything else is the problem.

>>381850170
>MGS2 took them out too
More importantly it took out the entire sequence of Arsenal Gear crashing into Manhattan, it just cuts to black and the next thing you see is Raiden and Solidus falling on their asses. As a kid that scene confused me a lot.

>>381850265
Nobody ever thinks that because they aren't giant faggots.

>>381850265
I played san andreas recently, the map does not feel small.

>>381844935
all it really needs is independent aiming and movement
they need to re-release it with mouse aim and/or twin stick controls

>>381840310

THREAD MUSIC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvM_Q30tSkE

>>381848032
Earlier in the Game, Officer Tenpenny mentions that Kendl was sucking one greaseball's dick, it's possible that he was referring to Ryder.

>>381849089
Not really, there were a few clues to Ryder being a villain. He's always hostile to CJ in every mission,or didn't say anything when CRASH showed up at his house. There's also the fact that all of his missions involved stockpiling on weapons and aren't related to Grove in anyway.

>>381852175
do you even know what greaseball means anon

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>tfw my gta Vc is version 1.1 so I can't put in skygfx and can't downgrade

>>381849396
That's what makes it good.
Any idiot can make a big map by adding more and more land, but it takes real genius to combine design with hardware limitations to make it feel big.

>>381851873
ah yES

>>381852175
>There's also the fact that all of his missions involved stockpiling on weapons and aren't related to Grove in anyway.
I thought he was stockpiling weapons FOR the Grove. Y'know, homies gotta have more firepower.

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It really is amazing how different GTAIII feels compared to every other 3D GTA that came after it.

I guess it's the atmosphere.

>>381852362
Fine, disregard the first sentence. It's possible Tenpenny was referring to the time he and Pulaski watched Ceasar and Kendl fuck like rabbits.

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>>381844157
Or you could just play Fallout 4™, which is set in Boston!

>>381840731
>kek muh nigger simulator kek

You have to be 18 to post here.

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>>381852175
>>381852670
>Playing the game back then
>Start wondering why you can't use any of the weapons you steal for ryder
>Later i realize that he was giving them to the ballas

>>381849396
Clearly, they should've made Red County bigger.

Wait, no.

>>381851873
Ahem...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QaVzv5aR6U

>>381853295
YOUNG HEARTS
BE FREE
TONIGHT

>>381852670
Grove didn't need firepower. They technically needed to sell drugs like all the other gangs in LS to be powerful, but Sweet would rather run the Grove like an old school street gang than a modern 90s one. Besides, if he needed firepower, dude could've robbed an Ammunation.

>>381846143
What made VCPR much better than WCTR? Was it the host being one of the few normal talk show hosts in the game?

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Me on the right.

>>381844157
Don't hold your breath. They never deviate from the main three: San Andreas, Vice City, and Liberty City

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>>381854494
me on the left

>We will never find out what happened to Claude
>We will never be a freelance criminal working for whoever pays the most again
>We will never experience the calm and almost dreary atmosphere of GTA III again
>We are doomed to always get the most insane over the top kingpin story imagineable because of normies backlash against IV

>>381854494
Most of the fat Grove Members were voiced by OG Solo, aka Franklin from GTAV.

>>381854780
I'm more interested in if he shot Maria or not.

How can there actually be anyone so deluded to think that GTA SA isn't the best GTA ever? Seriously? honest question.

>>381854918
Different strokes for different folks. I love me some SA, but it's not my favorite. Does it have the most things to do in single player though? Probably.

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>>381854494
>tfw there never be another GTA game that lets me dual wield weapons
Rockstar, stop being lame. I wanna get on my John Woo shit and circle the city in flying tanks again.

>>381849908
>>381852906
I don't understand. It's a good game

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SHE'S ON FIRE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owWRPfieJxo

>>381849396
love this map. played it recently and it feels huge. the one thing after over a decade of playing that annoys me is the artificial speed. so many games are guilty of it, even today. in san andreas, it really does feel good to drive from city to cit, but if you look to the left or right things arent whizing by as fast as all the screen shaking would have you believe. i feel like gta v would have been better if it wasnt a giant egg. doing away with restricting the city from the start does feel like a good change. so many of my friends play 4 and never got past bohan it pissed me off
>>381850265
i feel like you might be on to something,considering how gta 5 was the first game i got before colege and really began my disappointment in new games but san andreas map still holds up and was even more incredible then since it was the first game to not need load screens between islands. even playing libery and vice city stories felt like an antique cause san andreas spoiled me so much.

>>381855218
My mind was blown when I learned that Tommy Pickles sings this song.

>>381854780
You technically play a freelance criminal working under whoever pays the most in V. It's just that Lester's heists and assassination missions always pay more than any crime boss in LS, usually enough to buy a nice house in the Rockford Hills area.

IV killed the idea of protagonist becoming a crime kingpin because the idea of a mob boss was dying out by the time the plot takes place.

>>381855708
Sorry, EG Daily didn't sing that song. It was Amy Holland. I know what song you're thinking of though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylZKZ0cAlCE

>>381849567
>>381849396
you fags play a cops and robbers server of 150+ people and tell me its small.

shit was kino. kino

>>381854861
Knowing how much of a complete fucking psychopath he is, he likely shot her.

I also doubt Claude trusts a single female ever again because of Catalina and just wanted that final loose end tied up after realizing he was going to have to hear her talk non-fuckin-stop if he kept her around.

GTA V's multiplayer suggests he married Misty and had at least one child as well.

>>381854918
Because niggers and nigger "culture" is shit.

White organized crime a best.

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>>381846480
I may be wrong, I'm pretty sure he was actually referring to pettiness/lack of self respect, considering he was robbing a pizza place.

>>381855167
Just not the best.

There's a lot of completely pointless shit in it and the stat system still annoys the fuck out of me. The stamina in particular.
And again. Niggers.

Goddamn, I love GTA3. I loved it enough to buy it when it was rereleased on the PS4. Hell, I even platinumed the fucking game, despite how obnoxious two of the requirements were. The aiming in the game is fucking terrible. One of the side missions requires you to snipe some naggers while you're in Staunton. I thought it wouldn't be a pain, but, damn, it was a grind. For a short period in time, I became a god with the sniper in GTA3.

Then the fucking paramedic missions in Portland. What a fucking mistake.

>>381856368
White Organized Crime consists of a petty crooks with grand delusions of being a mob boss. Once thing IV did right was show how petty and stupid they look outside of a movie.

>>381856668
What's the two achievements you had an issue with? Don't got a PS4, so I'm interested.

Also lol
>doing anything in Portland after killing Sal

I'd suggest anyone to finish all sidequests they need in Portland before moving on, especially doing El Diablo's missions. Like holy fuck.

>>381841068
Blueberry in SA was basically my town

>>381841621
I've been drinkin' again

>>381856731
That's why it's a good set up for a backdrop to trying to make money from crime.

Are you seriously implying niggers and gangbanging tribal retard monkeys are somehow better?
Even San Andreas had to start pulling James Bond shit out of their ass to prevent complete stagnation of the story and gameplay.

IM HAVING A HARD TIME REMEMBERING A CERTAIN MISSION
i think it was 3 or lcs, but you had to chase an ambulence and a guys body falls out in a full body cast amd you had to kill him. i remember using like 100 rockets to finally kill him.

>>381856967
My mothers my sister.
You can sail the seven seas.

>>381856368
>>381856501
The best part of San Andreas is that the player can purchase property away from South Los Santos and live a successful life. It's rather telling that CJ becomes a success after leaving the hood to rot.

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Vice City is the best GTA to be quite honest with you my family man

>>381857072
http://gta.wikia.com/wiki/Plaster_Blaster

Here you go, pal.

>>381840310
why do all sounds in 3 have a weird echo?

>>381856870
Can't remember the exact trophies, but I know they were also covered in the 100% completion trophy. Again, it was one of the side missions in Staunton where you have to snipe the Yardies.near the casino, and then the paramedic mission in Portland. I did the paramedic mission after completing the game.

Also, Rise FM is undoubtedly the best station ever in a GTA game

>>381857080
Subtle suggestion that niggers shouldn't nig.
I like that perspective, anon.

But alas. They shall always nig.

>>381857170
That's not Flash FM

>>381856870
Oh, and the sniping side mission in Staunton was a rampage I'm pretty sure.

>>381857134
finally! thanks! ive been going crazy wondering if i made it up or not.

>>381857170
Was there some sort of stipulation where you had to do ambulance missions on every island or something?

To get the health bonus you just have to beat paramedic, doesn't matter what island (in the original game, I mean).
Or I could be wrong, it's been a minute since I went that deep into GTAIII to do all the side quests.

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3 had a fantastic selection of electronic music, chatterbox is also up there as one of the best radio stations in any GTA game

I just love 3 on so many levels, the dark color palette, soundtrack, interface sounds

>>381845341
You will lose your weapon twice in SA so don't stock up too much gun.

>>381857105
>Great Story
>Amazing Atmosphere
>Tiny little shit map with a fuckload of water and no swimming ability

Still doesn't beat 3, friendarooni. Whole thing feels like an expansion more than a proper installment.

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>>381840310
Is that the xbox version?

>>381857316
Yup, each island. Had to do the all specialty car missions on each island to get the platinum trophy. And I went from Shoreside Vale to Staunton to Portland, thinking I'd save the easiest for last. For some strange reason, I thought after being the game, I wouldn't have shotgun shells raining down on me in Portland.

>>381857146
I like to imagine it's because of Claude Psychotic mind.

>Just started playing 5
>Really like the rain effects
>Like the puddles in the street after raining
>Found out there was a mod to have it rain all the time
>Can't have that because TakeTwo will sue me

>>381857497
It has to be. I distinctly remember water drops on the screen being a new feature in Vice City, but the 3/VC ports to Xbox had enhanced graphics and better reflection maps, so maybe that's another thing they added.

Only played them on OG PS2 and PC, so thanks for actually reminding me those exist because I thought I was having a stroke.

>>381857490
I liked Vice City's small map, I just wish it had everglades.

>>381857349
>3 had a fantastic selection of electronic music
Although I said Rise FM is the best station ever in a GTA game, MSX is pretty damn good.

>>381857349
The atmosphere has not been recaptured by any other game in the series.
Such a shame.

>>381857503
Man, thats rough. The Import/Export was really fun though, although I remember some cars being fucking impossible.

God damn, I spent hours trying to get a fucking Mr. Whoopee back in the day. And you gotta deliver a Dodo somewhere too, don't you?

I want to revisit the old dark and gritty atmosphere of GTA 3. The kind of grimy unwashed, filthy, crime ridden place that produces scumbag people with an ulterior motives.

>>381852695
Plays more like an arcade game that a hyper realistic gangster simulation

>>381857819
Yeah, that's true too. You get money (which in 3 was basically just a point system) for blowing up cars and causing chaos, so you definitely have a point there.

>>381856228
>GTA V's multiplayer suggests he married Misty and had at least one child as well.
explain

>>381857624
I heard the everglades were planned but never finished and got cut before they could complete them.
Adding an area with a fuckload of water in a game where you can't swim turned out to be a bad idea.

The soundtrack alone almost makes it my favorite game though, don't confuse my dismissive tone for disdain.

>>381857892
He's refering to the character creation system in GTA Online, in which you pick two parents and it generates a character based on the parents' looks.

>>381857892
Claude and Misty can be your 'parents' in GTAO's character creator. Just like Niko and a character who doesn't even exist in the same universe John Marston. He's semi-talking out of his ass.

Claude and Misty don't exist in the HD universe either, and their inclusion was more of a nod to fans. Not to mention it's basically confirmed after Gunrunning that GTAO is in its own continuity since it takes place in 2017, or at the very least continues on in real time.

>>381843190
>>381840310
>>381841123
>>381840731
>>381854494
>>381857105
>tfw cockstar made GTA4 and 5 separate from all of the other games
>we'll never get to see claude, tommy or CJ or any of those characters again
what is even the point

>>381857723
>although I remember some cars being fucking impossible.
Thank God I never did that on the PS2, because for some vehicles I had to find a guide to find out when they might spawn and where. I don't know if people had all that information when the game first launched. And I think the Dodo was on the import/export list but I don't remember anything with the Dodo outside of the main story plus the import/export.

>>381857503
That's bullshit, got 100% on PS2, you only had to do paramedic once thank fucking God, Shoreside Vale and Paramedic missions simply don't go together.

>>381857892
The collectors edition allowed your multiplayer characters mother and father to be Misty and Claude.

Misty and Claude had a child who moved to Los Santos and lived a life of crime working for people like Lemar and Trevor.

>>381858161
I think I remember that you either had to spawn a Mr. Whoopee through Vigilante missions or El Diablo's one mission where they appear.

Other than that they had like a .001% chance of appearing on the street.

Gta IV: Ballad of Gay Tony was strangely my favorite

>>381858325
>using online as canon
You're not serious are you? How many weeks before GTA V does it take place again? Can anyone even answer that? the story is an excuse let alone the character creation, or are Marston and Jimmy GTA canon too then?

>>381858069
Once you stop dealing with Trevor in his heist is when it branches off and becomes its own story with Lemar stopping by and being Lemar once in a while.
The continuity is still within the main story of GTA V as you are off doing crazy shit while the main trio and friends deal with their shenanigans.

>>381856997
The story of San Andreas never really stagnated. It felt more like CJ didn't have the resources to take down CRASH and Big Smoke until he started making connections in San Fierro. The game's only flaw is that it didn't make Big Smoke go full Suge Knight.

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>>381857667
Agreed

with that said it's probably time for my annual playthrough

>>381852776
Fuck off todd, there's more to boston than the revolutionary war

>>381858503
Originally GTAO was supposed to be set "a few months before GTAV". Which is why, during the first heist, Lester will say
"Oh I know someone I've been working with recently, but .. they're a little too unpredictable"

With the recent update Gunrunning, one of the character (Agent 14) says the line:

"It's 2017, I know I can't believe it either."

Which confirms at this point that the """story""" of GTAO is now moving along in real time.


Or maybe its just an excuse for them adding anachronistic cars.

Either way, I personally don't believe anything in GTAO to really be canon. There's way too much havoc that your special snowflake can cause that would change the course of how the rest of the series could go, or at least how things in Los Santos would be.

>>381858503
First of all, it takes place approximately three months before the game does and breaks off to lala land when you finish Trevors heist.

Marston is Canon. There is a book written by Jack about the events of his fathers life called "Red Dead" on Franklins shelf in his second house. The multiplayer character is intended to be a great grandson type of character.

Jimmy is in the main story, dumbass. Doesn't get more canon than that.

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hey guys

>>381858289
Nope, I'm pretty damn sure you gotta do each island for the platinum trophy on the PS4 port.

>>381858127
Better being separated than what 5 did to characters in 4.

>>381857506
deepest lore

>>381858356
Oh, God, that sounds about right. But I do remember that it worked. I don't think I've ever seen a Mr Whoopee on the street, actually. In fact I kind of forgot they were in the game

>>381859037
>taking a single book texture used on a few bookshelves, meant to be a easter egg for fans of Rockstar, to be confirmation canon that Red Dead takes place in GTA's universe
I'm sorry, but no. Red Dead is not in GTA's universe. They mention New York, California, and other such real world locations in Red Dead.
And don't tell me "oh well they say Cali/NY in songs!! That means they exist in GTA!!"
Yeah, okay, let's just get the band Hello back together so they can recreate their song to Liberty City Groove.

And I believe he's talking about Jimmy Hopkins, not Jimmy De Santa.

Why do you want so bad for GTAO to be canon, let alone have 3D universe era characters confirmed by Rockstar to not exist in HD to exist? Just let it go, man.

>>381851873
god tier taste, this was the definitive rise track

>>381859047
I'm so sorry your life was so hard, prijatelj.
You had such a strong heart and such passion for those you cared about. You did not deserve to be corrupted by the world around you.

I hope you find peace some day. Such a heartbreaking life you've had.

Želim ti screću.

>>381859347
NO!

>>381840310
Man, GTAIII Liberty City is so damn comfy

Chilly, wet weather

That pre 9/11 2000's pop-culture going on

I miss it

>>381843471
>>381843758
Boy they redid the car models with higher polys. It's already a step up.

>>381845425
CJ was a shitty protagonist

He had too much morality. He was not a hardcore gangsta thug at all or even a cut-throat. He seemed like a relatively decent guy at heart, but raised in a shitty environment. If anything the few times he did something fucked up or ruthless it just felt inconsistent

This of-course was worse with Niko in the next game

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>bought GTA Trilogy on PS2 to relive my childhood
>those fucking controls in 3
Should have just played the PC version

>>381849730
>They still used the map space effectively

No, not really. Most of the map feels like wasted space that you hardly ever interact with. The wilderness and small towns especially, but even the big cities suffer from this. Los Santos is okay, but San Fierro and Las Venturas are hardly explored properly during the plot.

I'd have rather just had Los Santos with the surrounding countryside. San Fierro and Las Venturas could be cut completely

>>381860143
Yeah the old school lock-on sucks dick, I wish I remembered that before I bought the remastered trilogy for ps4

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GTA 3 was fucking great, only complaint I had was that the cars were fucking weak.
Vice City was cool too but I never finished it because you have to grind real estate to finish the game, it's probably my fault for being terrible at the game
San Andreas was fantastic.
I personally feel like TBoGT is the best one.

>>381856997
See I never liked that shit. My favorite part of San Andreas is the first part or so where you are doing petty gang shit. I kind of like the 'counter espionage' in San Fierro. I'd rather the game had a shorter storyline that focused just on the gangbanging in Los Santos and CRASH,

>>381857105
I agree

Tons of style, perfect protagonist, 'become a crime boss' done right, map space was used effectively, and it had a pretty open mission structure

BEEN TO CENTRAL ROCKFORD LATELY
WHYYYYYY'S THE SUN GO DOWN?

>>381860697
On the off chances you're not terrible anymore you should finish Vice City

>>381860697
Just get a tank and you'll be rich in no time.

>>381860312
Hey, for the PS4 versions, can I use R2 to accelerate, or do I stil have to use X?

>sony got every gta of that era as a timed exclusive
>people still wonder why the ps2 moved so many units
lcs and vcs being sony exclusive probably helped too

Man, I love GTA 3. It might my favorite game of all time next to FNV. I still play it annually.

There something about it that is just not present on VC or SA. I think it's the gritty dark atmosphere of the urban environments. Among the first area you will explore is Red Light District and it reflects that very well.

>>381861205
The PS4 versions are literally just the PS2 versions being emulated, so no unless you can rebind buttons and I just don't know.

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>>381861056
>>381861087
I would love to but that would mean I'd have to replay the game and do the bomb dropping mission again on those cuban(??) boats again so I'll hold off on that.

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>>381841123
>here comes the rain again falling on my head like a memory
>falling on my head like a new emotion

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>>381840310

Which GTA has the best mods and replayability?

I'm feeling nostalgic

>>381859976
Nikos inconsistency was at least justified by the Yugoslav Wars and his corruption of innocence leading him to be a complete nihilist on every subject. He killed because it was easy and paid well.

He only cared about the people close to him, and to a psychotic extent. Killing for them without their consent. His trauma from the war and lack of proper father figure made him fucked in the head. The player's choices in "choose" segments being the manifestation of his psychosis.

It made sense in a narrative sense, and in the end he has to learn the hard way that a life of crime and murder leads to tradgedy for everyone, even the self. The easter egg in V is still one of the most heartwarming things I've ever seen in a video game.

What the player does inbetween missions is clearly not canon and not meant to be a part of his personality, however war veterans that survived atrocities and saw hard combat like Niko are famous for snapping and becoming animals like a player out for some fun shooty bang mass murder would behave.

CJ was just a retarded nigger with no thought put into his character because of how much customization there was and how much of a blank slate they needed him to be.

Niko is my prijatelj. He dindu nuffin.

>>381861432
Crud. I've gotten too cozy with the modern GTA control. I've been out of the game too long, using X to accelerate feels arcade-y to me.

>>381861559
SA and IV

>>381861707
I like you.

>>381860743
Well I can't stand nigger culture. It physically repulses me.

I want a proper game about the east asian crime culture in the US. Honor through blood and all that shit.
Chinatown Wars was shit and had no effort put into the backdrop and story. I want a real installment with an east asian protagonist not chinese.

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>>381861463
I want to walk in the open wind
I want to talk like lovers do
I want to dive into your ocean
Is it raining with you

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>>381858127
Claude exists in the HD universe.
We just haven't heard from him.

But why the fauxhawk
Fucking cock*

>>381861935
I'm the same autist who considers John Marston as GTA canon.
I like you too, senpai.

>>381862259
>looks nothing like Claude
Fuck that

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>>381861707

>The easter egg in V is still one of the most heartwarming things I've ever seen in a video game.

What easter egg?

>>381862295
Well I hate that opinion, but anyone who understands the intricacies of Niko's character is ok in my book.

John still isn't canon though, god damnit.

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>>381862125
Drive was a pretty good GTA movie

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>>381862259
Yeesh. How the hell does a character for mod GTAIV look better than a rendition done by Rockstar themselves?

>>381861559
>Tommy, please get an actual cellphone.
>Fuck off, Ned.
>Ned--?!

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>>381862360
He became a cab driver after the events of IV and tries to live a normal life.

And Roman is on his friends list, and commented on his birthday.

Which proves that Revenge is canon ending.
If Kate didn't die Packie would have no reason to leave LC and travel to Los Santos.

>>381862259
High-slicked sides is a superior haircut for Claude.

>>381860697
I just beat Vice City 2 days ago and, although it was my second time playing it, finished it at around 15 hours. That's reasonable with not too much grind. The only businesses you need to finish are the malibu and print works so only finish up the other easy ones like the shipyard and car lot.

>>381862673
>>381862259
They just used one of the default hairs for online characters in GTAO.

I agree though, I don't use that hair for Claude.

>>381862360
Kate dying is the canon ending.
He gave up his life of crime and focused on helping Roman run his cab company.
He now lives a simple life as a driver for his cousin.

It makes me so happy to see he was able to find some form of peace. He truly found closure on the events of IV and no longer worries about someone trying to kill his loved ones and friends. He just makes an honest living working with his family. Just like he wanted in the first place.

Niko had a hard life. He deserves rest.

>>381860312
Didn't some of the songs get removed in that version too? iirc the pc versions have all the songs.

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>>381862259
It... It just isn't the same without his sideburns.

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>

>>381862992
I don't think 3 lost any songs, but VC and SA have been consistently losing songs with every re-release in recent years.

Literally we live in a world where you won't hear Billie Jean when you get in the Admiral at the start of VC anymore.

>>381862509
Then who is J. Marston the author who lives in the world of GTA V?
Chop liver?

>>381862547
I don’t like those jeans one bit.

>>381861559
why's there two Toni Cipirini's

>>381863102
>Literally we live in a world where you won't hear Billie Jean when you get in the Admiral at the start of VC anymore.

This is a fucking crime
Did they add songs or did they just take them out and leave space?

>>381861707
>The easter egg in V is still one of the most heartwarming things I've ever seen in a video game.
What easter egg?

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>>381863079

>>381863187
I can't tell if you're shitposting or being serious

>>381852695

You could say III had no real main character. Claude/Fido was just a generic character for you to do stuff with. No personality whatsoever and can't even speak. This makes the game feel more like an arcade-y shoot-em-up where you can do whatever you want.
Later games introduced a fleshed out main character and while you could still go on mayhems and do whatever, having the character you play with have a personality kind of ruins the atmosphere somewhat. This is especially true with Niko. The game made it seem like he didnt really want to do all that crime stuff but was only forced to.. only for the player to go ahead and start a killing spree. It created a sort of cognitive dissonance for the character. They kind of fixed this with Trevor, which seems like the kind of character who would go on killing sprees, but the rest of them not so much save for the character-less Claude.
I wish GTA would've just kept the personality-less playable character who just takes orders from NPCs. It fits this type of game better.

>>381863126
I will slap you until you understand what an easter egg is.
>>381863187
Left is Toni, right is Michael. This art was made at a point where GTAV just had its first trailer.

I wonder if Patrick had any idea that one of those characters would get their head stomped in by a protagonist that wasn't showcased yet.

>>381863217
No, sadly. They just took out songs they lost the rights to. Michael Jackson's estate wouldn't allow them to use his songs anymore after his death, so Wanna Be Startin' Something and Billie Jean are missing in action, among some other songs.

Hell, even Liberty City Stories re-release on iOS lost a few songs.

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>No Billie Jean
>As you drive to your hotel, soaking in the neon lights of Ocean Drive in your lawyers car to get a good nights sleep and dread calling your boss in the morning.

>>381863187
It's Michael and Toni, ya dingus.

>>381863332
If you are about to tell me Niko didn't find closure because muh easter eggs aren't real, I am about find and kill you.

Okay, so this thread has made me want to play GTAIII. Are there any problems with it on PC? I also wanna get Vice City, but I've heard that there are some problems with the PC version that you need to download a patch for or something.
If there is, is it only on newer computers? Cause my PC is old as shit and it usually handles older games pretty well.

Claude from GTA2 and Claude from 3/SA are not the same person.

>>381863079
cj uses his left hand, but nice

>>381863316
I really hate this argument.

"Niko sucks because he complains about killing people and then I go out and shoot a bunch of old women with an assault rifle and throw a handful of grenades into a hospital!"

This is entirely up to the player. It's not Rockstar's fault if you do this. You could play through all of GTAIV, and have a very low killing quota. Only killing shitty criminals, people who attack you first, or corrupt police officers in the missions. The fact theres a few junctions in the story where you have the option of killing someone, or letting them live, adds to this.

>>381863643
Since Lester straight up mentions Niko going quiet, and Packie saying he lost contact with Niko, I'd say that it's pretty much confirmed. There's multiple sources for that.

Not just one small blurry image that says "J. Marston"

>>381863508

>MFW I got the original PS2 version of VC which will always have the MJ songs
>MFW you remember the controls are fucking dogshit on PS2

You just cant win.

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>tfw vice city is your favorite for the soundtrack alone

Is Toni Cipriani GTA's Tony Soprano?

>>381863718
Clearly. However Rockstar confirmed they have the same last name.

It works the same way with the 3D to HD era. 2D is its own consistency.

BUT CLAUDE IS STILL REAL TO ME, DAMMIT!

>>381863761
>This is entirely up to the player. It's not Rockstar's fault if you do this. You could play through all of GTAIV, and have a very low killing quota. Only killing shitty criminals, people who attack you first, or corrupt police officers in the missions.

But WHY would you do this? GTA is about going on killing sprees and doing mayhem.. hell III had those little rampage icons where you had to kill a certain amount of people in a certain amount of time. The game encouraged that.
So yes it is Rockstar's fault. They made the main character have a conscience, so when the player goes on a rampage like the game encourages you to do, the character's morality looks really hypocritical.

>>381863102
>>381863217
>>381863332
>>381863508
According to the wiki, the 10th anniversary version of VC is missing a fuckload of songs, which is a goddamn shame. The PC version on the other hand only seems to be missing this: https://youtu.be/e0mU-q0DA34

I own the pc version and can confirm this song isn't in there, while Michael Jackson thankfully is intact.

>>381863761
STOP USING YOUR FANCY LOGIC TO MAKE SENSE OF THINGS AND LET ME HAVE THIS REEEEEE

>>381863851
In my personal opinion Vice City Stories is superior.
>>381863957
>Rockstar however states that Claude is: "Definitely a drifter, probably from the west coast, new to Liberty City " (and his) "surname may or may not be Speed".

I wouldn't say that's really a confirmation that his last name is Speed. He's only referred to as Claude in all the art and materials that R* has released since SA and the GTAIII 10 year anniversary.

>>381863718
Claude is an abstract entity that exists across multiple universes.
That is why it never speaks and holds no real loyalty to anything.

>>381864073
>I own the pc version and can confirm this song isn't in there, while Michael Jackson thankfully is intact.

Really? I remember /v/ going apeshit when Steam made an update for VC that removed the MJ songs..

>>381864073
Actually, only v1.0 of VC has the Lionel Richie song. A few months after VC's release they made a 1.1 version of PS2 VC that removed that song, and changed the names of all the weapons to be generic names.
>>381864296
Yeah, I'm pretty sure they removed songs in the Steam versions recently.

>>381863667
I didn't have any problems with GTA 3 on either my new or old laptops. VC has a problem with the aspect ratio on my new laptop, and if I put it into widescreen, it fixes the aspect ratio but it messes up the aiming. The bullet goes to the upper right of the reticle instead of the center. Also, on both my old and new laptop, you can't adjust the sensitivity of the mouse's y axis, only the x axis. So the mouse will always be crazy sensitive when looking up and down. There's a patch for the former issue, not sure about the latter.

>>381864049
I already explained this in an earlier post to the only possible extent it would take to explain.

Stop being purposely retarded and blaming your own nonsense actions on a preset narrative and atmosphere.

You're also not remembering how much Niko talks about the negativity of his killing. He simply outlines that he doesn't care anymore because of the Yugoslav Wars he was in back in Serbia in the 90s. It's killing he did in that conflict that bothers him the most.
He also fucking crazy because of that war.

Just fucking read the thread and stop being a blithering moron, you colossal faggot.

I don't get the love for Claude
is it because of the silent protagonist thing and that he either whines and just do his job?

>>381864443
>you can't adjust the sensitivity of the mouse's y axis
Just get some mod to fix it.

>>381864442
Really? I have the steam version and was playing it today, I know for a fact I heard MJ. Although I bought my copy years ago, so maybe I got it before they removed the songs or something? But I did just buy a new laptop and had to transfer my games, do they not update the game when it transfers?

>>381864168
>Interdimensional criminal deity

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>>381863079

>>381864443
The PC version of GTA 3 has a glitch where all the cars are really dark for some reason. There's a fix you can download that gives them their proper textures.

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Hello I am the best GTA protagonist

>>381864623
Because he's cool.

>>381864854
HMMMM NICE BIKE.

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>>381864854
have you worn hawaiian shirts this summer

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i like gta

>>381842221
everytime i played GTA Vice or San Andreas i always put the cheat code of cloudy/rainy day, it makes everything comfy

>>381864946
NOOO MY BIKE

>>381864946
NOO MY BIKE!

>>381864623
He's a cold blooded fucking badass. He is the alpha that alphas wish they could be.
He got a woman to fall in love with him without saying a word.
He made the crime underbelly of liberty city tear itself apart without even trying.
He killed several of the most powerful people on the east coast.

And he did most of it, just because he could.

who had the highest body count?

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>>381864049
Ate you normally this stupid or are you trying extra hard right now?

>>381864854
NICE ASS BABY

>>381864995
>"I PLAY SAINTS ROW"

>>381865196
Canonically? Tommy. Its like 15 I think.

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>tfw can't get skygfx so have to compensate with shitty trails

>>381846143
Los santos my dude

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>>381865196
>There are many hit missions in Grand Theft Auto IV, and Niko Bellic has accrued the greatest body count of any GTA protagonist thus far, with over 80 possible murders.
http://gta.wikia.com/wiki/Murders_Committed_by_Niko_Bellic

>>381865259
THREWN
THWOWM

>>381865314
Nah, it's Niko, with around 80 or so kills

>>381865401
Named characters. Goons and mooks do not apply.

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>>381865237
Is this me?

>>381857213
>replay it a few years ago
>live successfully for so long
>come home to help my brother then get the fuck out of there
>he gives me the traditional bullshit about "you done forgot where you came from"

I always hated that, the dream is to get out of the hood then when given the chance some people act like leaving is a betrayal. If their mom could have afforded it she would have moved out years ago.

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>>381865462
Again, It's Niko.
>Niko has the most murders in the entire series, with a body count of 47 (not counting optional murders).

>>381864854
Dumb
Florida
Moron.

>>381865538
Sweet sees the hood and the gang like a family. To him, leaving the hood is like abandoning them. Something that CJ has a clear problem with in his eyes. It doesn't matter if the hood is shit, that's where your brothers are.

>>381865196
Niko. Also the only one that actually scares another Protagonist

>>381865196
Claude or Trevor.

There was a lot of folks on that tanker Claude blew up and he kills a shitload of people in scripted missions.

Trevor also kills a shitload of people in scripted events.

>>381864854
I did your wife, ya POOR BASTARD.

>>381865751
I was trying to remember what you're talking about, then I remembered Johnny's comments during Collector's Item.

RIP

>>381864049
How did you miss the central theme of the game so hard? Niko's SUPPOSED to be hypocritical; it's at the very core of his character. Darko Brevic, who is basically Niko's direct parallel right down to the appearance, even points this out in what is probably the most important interaction of GTA IV
>You killed my friends for one thousand dollars?!
>How much do you charge to kill someone?
and later REITERATES that theme with
>Kill me then! You fucking hypocrite.
This theme directly connects to Niko's ultimate failure to escape his past; it is BECAUSE of his hypocrisy and his belief that he can't survive and provide for his family any other way that he can't escape his past and his loved ones die. If you kill people in the overworld, and especially if you take their money, it only fleshes out the hypocritical image of Niko that Darko lampshades in "That Special Someone." That's why he works as a GTA protagonist.

>>381865751
Which protagonist does he scare?
I don’t recall him specifically scaring anyone besides the people he chases.

>>381865891
Read what I said here
>>381865853
When you play the Museum mission as Johnny during TLAD he will say some stuff like "Damn, that Slav is one ice cold killer. I'd hate to get on his bad side." among some other lines like that.

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>>381865538
>CJ made cashbankmomey by helping out Woozie and his bros, Caeser the broest of his bros, gained respect amongst a varied cast of peers, built a successful garage from the ground up, robbed a fucking casino, helped Mad Dogg recover, and became a semi disciple for his mentor/slash agent handler black ops man of mystery James Woods.
>Sweet gets out of jail
>"You forgot the hoouuuuhd, cj."
>CJ lays down like a bitch and cleans up the hood of drugs like an episode straight outta McGruff

>>381865891
This
>>381865853
"Collector's Item" is the museum mission from Johnny's perspective during TLAD.

>>381840790
what about the CDprojekt game?

>>381865953
>NIGGA WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS BULLSHIT

>>381865951
If I'm not mistaken, the comment triggers when you go through where Niko would have gone. And there's just a bunch of dead bodyguards.

>>381865953
The moral of the story is "niggers".

>Carl Johnson: I'm alright, man. Hey, man - we off to our new spot! We got a mansion, Sweet! We been putting in work, and shit is going well. We got a stake in a casino, we got some insane shit in Fierro, we're getting into the rap game! Hey man, let me get you some new clothes, c'mon!
>Sweet: New clothes? Nigga, what the fuck is this bullshit?
>Carl Johnson: What you mean, man? What's mine is yours, and you know that.
>Sweet: You never did get it, did you, Carl? I need to check on things in the hood. Man, that's the problem. You always a perpetrator, runing from what's real.
>Carl Johnson: Hey man, shit's fucked up there. You don't want to be in the hood.
>Sweet: No. That's exactly where I want to be. What you done for our hood?
>Carl Johnson: Man, what the hood done for me? Always dragging me down. Ever since I got out of the hood shit been cracking. That's everybody's dream, to get out of the hood...
>Sweet: Man, you sound just like Smoke right now.
Who waasss in theee wrooong here?

>>381866156
Nah, he'll say it regardless as you come down the main stairs to go out the back entrance. There's a few different lines for if you fail the mission, per most lines and convos during IV.

>>381865998
Cyberpunk 2077?
Hard to tell at the moment. No details.

>>381854752
London?

Reminder that Big Smoke did nothing wrong. Sweet was an idiot and the reason the Grove was falling behind, as all the other gangs were getting interconnected with the drug trade. You can see in game he tries to talk Sweet into it a few times but the idiot refuses to listen. At that point there's no other choice but to change or just outright leave the fucking crumbling hood like CJ did.

CJ shouldn't have gone back in the first place. Everyone was in a shit situation, and Sweet while good intentioned is a fucking idiot who constantly gives you shit.

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>Tommy kills 11 dudes that sent to ambush him and survives before Vice City
>in game any goon with an above average gun can rape your health in a second

>>381866329
London was an outlier. They've said in recent years that it will always be in the US.

But I don't think, as that other anon said, that it will ONLY be in LC/VC/SA. San Andreas introduced San Fierro and Las Venturas into the canon, and V introduced North Yankton.

They could always make a new town, or even just focus on SF/VC like the focused on Los Santos (which again, was a brand new thing into the canon during SA)

In GTA1 "San Andreas" was the name of the city, not the state.

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>>381866179
Sweet was being a whiny asshole who couldn't let go of the shitty hood and prosper with his brother who did countless tasks for torino just to get his bitch ASS outta prison.

>>381866179
Sweet, obviously.
CJ wanted to leave the gangbanger life behind.
Stretch in V is what Sweets end life is gonna be. A banger stuck in the past who can't see the future, obsessed with "real" problems like respect, and holding up joints for a buck.

Seriously, what the fuck was Sweet's life? Senseless fucking gang wars over turf. Tenpenny did him a favor by dumping his ass in backwoods San Fierro.

There's a good reason the CJ on that billboard in IV looks so extravagant.

>>381866370
nah, you're thinking of 3, with that m16 that fired 1000 rounds a second.

>>381866534
>There's a good reason the CJ on that billboard in IV looks so extravagant.
You don't even have to have a name for me to know which anon you are, god damnit.

>>381866517
>>381866534
yeah but NEW CLOTHES? Nigga please.

>HD GTA comes out that no longer has a Slav protagonist
>Squat button is removed

KAKVA JEBENA, ROCKZVEZDA

>>381866534
Sweet cared about the hood, he was just too incompetent to actually manage it or help any of the retards stuck there.

nah

>>381866370
They probably just had pistols or shotguns. Mobsters don't really carry bigger or automatic guns save for special occasions.
Tommy was underestimated.

>>381866636
Removing crouching in V is one of the biggest fucking issues I have with the controls. Not to mention NOT having a dedicated shoulder switch button when the two shooting games they made right before it (RDR/MP3) had that ability.

Fucking went full retard with the combat in V.

why they was Lous so fucking slick?
Like Johhny and Niko's story was grim and this guy was jumping trains, shooting people on the plane and parachuting and shit

>>381866690
I think I miss the melee attacks the most.

>>381866787
Yeah, melee is atrocious as well and it sucks because of how many awesome melee weapons are in the game.

>>381866739
>why they was Lous so fucking slick?

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>>381866669
>or shotguns
*knocks you onto your ass*

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What's funny about GTA is that it's so controversial for being a murder sim yet it's one of the only series to have good LGBT characters, like Bernie. I loved that there was so much more to him than just flamboyance.

Bernie was interesting because he is essentially Niko's foil: both have the same eyebrow scar, and both endured the same atrocities and betrayals in their home countries. But unlike Niko, who only sank deeper into his self-hatred and depression and chased something that still would have never made him happy because he would still have been the same husk of a man afterwards, as he later finds out, Bernie was actually able to move on and make a better life for himself by moving to America, becoming a fitness trainer, and starting a relationship with Bryce Harper, the mayor of all people. He's not "Florian Cravic" anymore, he's "Bernie," because he was able to put his past behind him, optimistically look to the future, and ultimately, be happy with who he is. He made it. Acceptance of his latent homosexuality, taking place off-screen, is another device that shows the malleability of character and self esteem. Despite this, during Niko's first interaction with him, the player sees that Florian is still deep inside Bernie. When Niko accuses Bernie of betraying their unit, Bernie's voice loses the flamboyant edge and reverts to the raspy Serbian accent we've come to associate with Niko as he yells "I wouldn't do that!" Furthermore, when Niko asks Bernie where Darko is, Florian's voice comes out again, in order to say the decidely hostile-toned "Dead, I hope!" Bernie pauses for a second here, as if he's struggling with himself, before his flamboyant accent returns and he voices out a more cordial "I'm not sure," complete with exaggerated hand movements. As Niko's foil, we see the changes in Niko's character through Bernie as the story progresses.

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>>381866690
The lack of crouch is the most disgusting thing in the game.

If they do it again with VI, I will not be buying it.
The lack of Benzies and most of the dev team from III, IV, and V are already enough to shake my faith in the series. I am not taking any more shit from the greedy fucks that now pollute Rockstar.

>>381867015
Niko is so resistant to change that he's rendered in disbelief when he finds that Roman has forgotten their original language and opted to speak English instead, and insists on calling Bernie "Florian" even after Bernie asked him multiple times to do otherwise. It's only after Niko spares Darko Brevic, and is finally able to put at least some of his past behind him, when he calls Bernie "Bernie" in the phone call that follows, and makes a promise to hang out and have fun, something which he never wanted to do with Bernie prior. Bernie, barring the homosexuality, is what Roman wanted Niko to be all along, and tried to foster in Niko by staying by his side and getting him to have fun with family and friends in America.

It's this kind of subtlety and really well-written character interaction across all the characters that really made me love IV and its Episodes.

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FIST

>>381867015
Shut up, faggot. Nobody cares about smegma thiefs.

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>>381866179
>Man, you sound just like Smoke right now
Sweet for pulling this bullshit line and equating his brother wanting him to have a better life to a man that will betray his best friends and not hesitate to kill them for drug money.

>>381867183
Can I go on a date with you first?

>>381867371
Do you put out?

>>381867015
>What's funny about GTA is that it's so controversial for being a murder sim yet it's one of the only series to have good LGBT characters, like Bernie.
GTA is unironically the most progressive game series of all time.

>>381867407
Only if we both put in the work.

>>381867354
But is he not wrong? That sounds exactly like the kind of life Smoke wanted to (and is) live.
>I'm a motherfuckin' celebrity, CJ!
>I MADE IT CJ, I'M A SUCCESS! I CAN'T BE TOUCHED!

Just wanna say it's been a great thread, if this happens to die soon.

GTA thread always seem to have a good set of posters, especially during this time of the day.

>>381866669
>Mobsters don't really carry bigger or automatic guns
>What is the chicago typewriter

>>381867552
I only top, faggot.

ACCESS DENIED

>>381843841
Darkel was cut before 9/11. He originally gave you the rampages as missions

>>381861559
>coolest mother fucker out of the bunch is still claude

>>381867650

[Bowling Intensifies]

>>381867806
I'll access you whether you like it or not, my faggot.

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>>381843190
>Hello. I'm Donald Love, and you're listening to a Love Media station. Enjoy.

>>381856420
It was really just a reference to the movie "Menace to Society" where the korean store clerk tells the fellas robbing him " I feel sorry for your momma" and then they shoot him

>>381867629
Yes because Sweet is a lazy faggot that has no ground to talk down to CJ about not helping out

>>381867629
Yes because Sweet is a lazy that faggot who has no ground to talk down to CJ about not helping out

>>381867952
I'm not saying I'll dislike it but I don’t do enemas so there's gunna be a lot of poop in there.
I also eat a lot of rice and red meat so you're pretty guaranteed some shitty penis.

Enjoy your poopy weiner, faggot. I bet you can't even make me cum handsfree, queer.

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>>381854861
>that gunshot was the last chronological event in the 3D universe

>>381868182
My presence can be transmitted via the carbon dioxide molecules I breathe and end up at any location of my choosing. I am superhuman, and you cannot escape me. You're mine now.

Captcha: Penistone venta

>>381845341
>not playing these as a kid
are you underaged?

>>381857146
there's like buildings everywhere so the sound probably bounces off of them
I think it's very comfy

>>381868460
Damn, you're right.

>>381868020
>Oh man, that was deep
Remember when Lazlow was the straight man?

>>381868790
Yeah, they kinda went full retard with his character in V. He became wayyy too much a caricature of himself.

>>381857585
Not anymore.

>>381857349
>interface sounds
Those are from Manhunt though

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>when the radio stations make small references to each other like with "Gardening with Maurice" between GTA 3 and San Andreas or "in the future there will be robots/modern dance" between Vice City and Liberty City Stories

>>381869268
GTA 3 came out years before Manhunt

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>>381864854
>so badass his gang dresses like him

>>381840310
Can anybody explain why there was a subway you could drown in randomly?

>>381869268
>Manhunt came out after GTA3

u wot m8

>>381864854
Why doesn't rockstar sell that shirt on their store? It's like they hate money.

>>381870004
Vice City is too old for the teens that play GTA V.

>>381869586
better question is why pedestrians always try to get on the train and die

>>381870004
I feel like they sold it at one point. Or maybe I'm getting it mixed up with Max Payne's alola shirt.

Which I regret not buying. At least I got that Red Dead flannel.

>>381865764
Go shower with the guys

MY MOTHER MY SISTER

>>381861559
>no mike
gba gta was a mistake

>>381861707
you're a good guy coming from a guy who enjoys his liberty city games

Yep, I've been drinking again.

DID YOU BUY YOUR LICENSE?

>>381862547
his pants are green