Hello, I am the biggest scam in the videogame business.

Ignoring the consoles themselves.

It's free money and people are stupid enough to pay it

Pre-orders, early access, and crowdfunding are all bigger scams.
Then again who wants to compare a dried dog turd to liquid steaming shit that someone managed to get on the bathroom ceiling?

>>381834397
The two guys in charge of cleaning the floors and ceilings.

>>381833910
You must be fucking poor

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>>381834521

>>381833910
I don't care.

Caring about this issue probably costs you more than $60 a year. That's less than ten minimum wage hours.

>>381834521
Did your parents give you a bunch of money to compensate for how little love attention they gave you as a kid?

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I would be perfectly fine with paying for PS+ if it weren't for Sony's god awful download speeds

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>>381834672
>Caring about this issue probably costs you more than $60 a year.
How the fuck do you figure? You think people are going up to their bosses saying "yeah, I'd clock in, but there's this guy somewhere paying for his console subscription and I've got to go home to care about that instead of working."

People care about all sorts of shit and it doesn't cost them any time or money.

>>381834672
It should be free.

that's like paying $60 a year to breathe.

people need to understand that its the price of $60 games and sub $500 consoles.

video game development has been going up and up and up but the cost of games has not.

its getting ridicules when you get games like tomb raider sell 5 million copies and its considered a loss.

once you look at the business side of it you start to understand how things like DLC came to be.

>>381833910

You mean that gate that keeps hackers and cheaters out? I'd gladly pay valve 10$ a month in order to play games without cheaters. I can't even find a RUST server that isn't plagued by hackers, and they're starting to become a problem in PUBG as well.

>>381834956
>video game advertising has been going up and up and up but the cost of games has not
FTFY

>>381834521
yep. that's why I built a pc

>>381834956
Video game development budgets go hand in hand with improvements in technologies used to create those video games.

People aren't making modern AAA titles on Commodore 64 hardware you shit stick. They're putting in the same amount of man hours they used to and paying their employees the same wages they used to. Game fidelity increases as the tools improve. The budgets are out of fucking control because these retarded companies are so hell bent out of shape with making money the only way they can think of doing that is by throwing more money at an investment.

ps plus was god tier in its first few years.

It went to shit when the ps4 came out.

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>>381833910
>PS+
>$50 for 12 months

>>381835003
You're playing shitty games that don't protect their products. Also what you're begging for is intrusive DRM.

>>381834939
Time is money my man

>>381834950
no

>>381834397
Everything you said doesn't make someone pay to use something that's a common feature in some form or another in a good chunk of games worth playing these days.

>>381834950
Man that would be a great idea, we'd get rid of a lot of undesirables that way.

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>>381835484
>any moment spent not earning money is wasted money
People can care about all sorts of shit when they're not working. You're not getting paid to shitpost. Are you?

>>381834956
>video game development has been going up and up and up but the cost of games has not.

Nigga, did you take Economics 101?

Investment in games (and consequently the development costs of games) has been going up because it's a profitable business. When a business is turning profit (generating more revenue than costs), then you invest more in it. That's how every industry works.

Also, the cost of games has nothing to do with what it costs to make them. Consumers are uninterested with how much it costs to make a game; that doesn't affect them. The price of goods (including videogames) depends only on what people are willing to pay for them.

>>381835634
The price of sold goods*

Well, at least xbox gold compensates with a lot of good games, sunset overdrive assassins creed 2,3, revelations, 4, watch dogs, halo 3, tomb rider with all dlc's, dark souls, the witcher 2, both metro games, hitman absolution, sleeping dogs, every gears of war, dragon age origins, and a lot more.
Now switch and plus are actually shit.

Reminder that PlayStation plus is literally free if you do the 14 day trial trick like me. Never paid for plus in my life. No idea why /v/ keeps saying you have to pay for it, when there are ways to easily get around it.

You can blame Microshit for even starting it

>>381835835
How?

>>381835769
Plus is still better than xbox gold, all those heavy hitters have been given on ps plus years ago.

>>381835493
Yes, but all three involve tricking idiots into forking over money for a product that doesn't exist yet.

>>381834139
underrated

>>381835598
Nah. The logic works like this.

You ostensibly work and earn money in order to sustain yourself and enjoy your free time in a fun, engaging, or productive manner. Thus, time and money are mostly interchangeable.

If you have some free time, and use it doing something that is not fun, not engaging, and not productive (like bitching about something so small), then you're effectively wasting time (money).

>>381836023
Until you stop paying and then they hold all of those games you already paid for (aka got for "free") hostage.

>>381836019
Search on YouTube.

>>381834521
You don't get rich by throwing away money

>>381835003
In all my years of playing games the worst I've ever gotten from steam is a guy able to teamkill in KF1 on a server with no friendly fire and a guy aimbotting in Gmod. On console services I've seen my brother banned from playing multiplayer in WaW by another player on an account he bought dlc with, and in PSO on original Xbox (so that's the hunters license cost+subscription) by taking what I can only guess was an item somehow flagged as cheated (though at the time it just looked like this guy had really good shit he was just giving out) I ended up getting it only myself banned, but because the hunters license is shared my brother could no longer play online either. I'm not really sure what my point is other than I'd rather spend the minute it takes to find a new server instead of losing money or the ability to actually play multiplayer.

>>381833910
That's not Star Citizen

>>381836173
The rationale is faulty. You're assuming all of the things you value are the same things everyone else values. You assume all of the things you consider trivial are the things everyone else considers trivial. You assume that given the choice every person would logically choose to spend every waking moment doing precisely what they have already determined to be the most effective use of their mystical moneytime.

For instance: you're sitting here kicking the dirt under your feet at me for deigning to oppose your buzzword marketed concept of time = money in all instances. This is truly a waste of your time because it should be apparent to you that wasting my time is exactly what I want to be doing right now. Doing something trivial is very valuable to me at this moment because I already worked. I'm not going to get a second job even though I have a few moments to myself. That would burn me out and reduce my overall happiness and therefore my overall wealth.

Don't underestimate the value of nothing.

>>381833910
To be fair, you get your money's worth tenfold by the end of the year because of the (((free))) games they give you every month

>>381836665
see
>>381836189

>>381836352
paying for PS+ or XBL isn't throwing money away. It's paying for a service.

It doesn't matter if you think that service should be free or not. Because it's not free.

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>>381833910
>mfw I never pay for PS+
>just make a new console account every 14 days and continue to play normally on main PSN
Feels fucking good

>>381836792
Wut? I'm not paying for Xbox Gold atm and I can play a game I downloaded a few months ago for (((free)))

>>381836908
Spending $60 is about a hundred times more preferable than doing that 25+ times a year.

>>381836928
Not on xbox one though right? That's just 360.

>>381837217
Well, I'm playing it on Xbox One, but it's a 360 title. Beyond Good and Evil HD

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>>381833910
lol youre fucking poor dude, do you even have food to eat and plumbing

>>381835139
>>381835298
I miss when all of the good developers were making games on small budgets. Now they get this stupid technology they don't know what to do with and a bajillion bucks and make one mediocre game every couple years instead of four or five great ones in a year.

>>381837836
AAA games are developed on a similar budget, publishers feel the need to spend as much, if not more into marketing

>>381837836
they are, it's marketing teams (which in the current year are mostly redundant and relic of a bygone era) that are eating all the money
what, you think devs are actually getting paid all that money?
No, it's the useless braindead suits.

>lol youre fucking poor dude, do you even have food to eat and plumbing

>Mmmmmm, yes more corporate dick please

>>381834139
fpbp

>>381838238

AAA devs actually get paid really well

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>>381840176

>>381840362
Google it and tell me I'm wrong.

>>381840609
>Programmers earn the most cash, pulling down an average of $93,251 a year.
I am genuinely surprised
Marketers are still completely useless retards who eat up a shitload of budget for no reason other than a desperate attempt to keep their jobs in an era they're no longer needed though.

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>>381833910
people will defend this

>>381833910
The obvious solution is to get more friends so you can enjoy playing together offline.

>>381833910
https://www.playstation.com/en-au/explore/playstation-plus/join-ps-plus/

12 months
Get our best value subscription – just $69.95 for a full year.

xbl actually gives games though so it's worth, back then it was a scam

not sure about PSN but you can get XBL for free from Microsoft rewards not to mention they sell 12 months for $30 all the time

>>381840919
Marketers are very relevant actually, advertising is very important. The problem is the group's currently doing it are losing touch with how to do it well. You don't need huge budgets anymore. People will suck the dick of a company with a good Twitter account (read; Wendy's)
A few trailers and TV spots at peak times don't cost millions.
Few ads across digital platforms and preorder bonuses and you're set

>>381841351
>in an industry climate where local multiplayer has been abandoned by everyone except Nintendo
If you play on Nintendo that's fine but everyone else just cares about online multiplayer these days

>>381836832
I bet you're the kind of person who tips even when your waiter is shit.

>>381842145
Advertising is relevant, marketers themselves are not.
A five man team trained in psyops will do much better than a 100 man team training in traditional marketing.

Actually, from what I've heard the switch online isn't too expensive, just 20$ for a year. It still sucks we have to pay for online though.

>>381841436
$70 for a fucking year, are they crazy? What the fuck is wrong with Sony?

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>>381833910
I am still mad that Nintendo succumbed to it. I should've expected it because Sony and Microsoft have normalized this shit but it still hurts. I've dropped consoles one-by-one because of this shit, I guarantee Steam would pull some kind of paid online variant if PC gamers didn't have at least a tiny bit of backbone (relatively speaking, since they backlashed against paid mods while console fanboys do their damndest to drown out criticism of their respective console).

>>381834397
I don't understand what's wrong with preorders.
pre-order bonuses, sure. gay as hell, forcing you to pay full price if you want a complete experience. Preordering has no downside though. Decide you don't want the game? Cancel the preorder. No harm no foul. Only downside is if you're a retard who puts down a full $60 on a game and then decides to gamble if they'll enjoy it or not.

>>381842504
It's still a scam, it's just a slightly less scummy scam

>>381842591
Their other entertainment branches are crashing so they need to make up for it with vidya.

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>>381836832
>It doesn't matter if you think that service should be free or not. Because it's not free.

>>381842591
That's aussiebucks. It's $60 for the US and canada, but it goes on sale to it's original $50 price point more often than not.

>>381834956
The solution to that is to spend less money on making games and stop caring so much about being able to see every hair on Lara Croft's asscheeks.

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Someone explain to me why MMOs have monthly fees but hugely popular games in other genres don't. What makes their "server costs" or whatever more expensive than needing to host the millions who play something like League of Legends or Overwatch?

>>381843230
because MMOs are supposed to have a lot of content
league and overwatch is just the same shit over and over again

>>381843230
originally it was server costs. It cost a LOT of money to rent a server farm. But as time has gone on, any schmuck can buy a ton of servers and string them together and host it for the cost of electricity and internet/bandwidth if applicable.

companies continue doing it to scam people out of their money, and that's the ONLY excuse.

Neither cost ME, personally, anything because I ask for an annual subscription for Christmas/birthday from my parents. I'm 35 and they have zero idea what to give me so it works out great all round.

Probably opening a whole other can of worms now because rather than working the "are you poor?" Angle I'm going for a "what? No one in your life loves you?" One.

I hate video games

>>381834139
Upvoted my fellow redditor! PC all the way!

Isn't Nintendo's online going to be $20/year? I'm a poorfag who can't afford a Switch but 20/year is dirt cheap.

How do you propose these companies offer free online? How do you propose they pay for it?

You sound like a fucking bernibot whining for free college.

>>381843230
You're supposed to be paying for continually developing content, only Blizzard sticks by the server costs meme something that hasn't been the case since the 90's.

>use bing
>get rewards, spend on XBL
>literally free games (didn't use to be this way though)

The problem with everything technological being a scam is there's always another scam you can use to get around it. I really just want to know why Nintendo started doing it, what a gaffe.

>>381833910
>He's never seen FF XIV
That's the biggest scam.
>Pay for your internet
>Pay for the game
>Pay monthly to keep your account active on the game
>Pay for dlc
>Pay for mounts or potions to max your level.
Literally the most pricey popular MMO atm that /v/ loves to shill.

>>381834560
I tought kids werent allowed here

>>381843425
What games have dedicated servers? People are paying for these subscriptions and get shit that is still peer to peer the majority of the time. If this was the case anyways, why doesn't PC have similar shit? Oh right, MMOs tried that shit and look at the state of the MMO market right now. It crashed from the monthly fees almost entirely.

>>381843545
you don't actually get anything of value out of that subscription. i don't know why people get hung up on the cost, when the problem is that the company charges money for nothing.

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>>381843636
>continually developing content
>companies still make you pay for Expansions

Theae console services have imrovwd dramatically in the 14 whatever years they've been around. You actually to get a service out of them instead of solely tunneling p2p connections.

meanwhile Nintendo doesn't in any way shape or form match the features or content you get from xbox or playstation, yet have the audacity to charge money. Nintendos shit really is like the first iteration of xbox live, except it's fucking 2017 and nintendo is fucking retarded. Hell its even worse than xbox live cause at least that shit had voice chat and built-in services for leaving voice messages and establishing online friends. cant even plug a fucking mic headset into the switch cause it doesnt even have a mic or an appropriate jack.

Literally get free xbox games and playstation games wihh their services but nintendo gives you temporary access to a fucking 30 year old rom you probably already played multiple times and have archived.

Christ almight nintendo sucks the dankest of stank ass nigger dicks.

>>381843912
If people weren't retarded and didn't buy that shit, they would stop. It's infuriating to see how many people cave in and preorder/cancer DLC/early access/pay monthly fees and even argue they are good things

>>381844047
hardly any games actually have dedicated servers. they are cheap fucks and use p2p.

>>381844047
At least nintendo changed their games pass/ps+ knockoff from 2-3 games a month to a netflix style games library. Then again it's still all those same NES games everyone's played already...

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What does XBL actually do? Where does your money go?

Halo was fine before XBL existed. You could play 8 player matches using the LAN mode in game and a gamespy tunneler to reach servers outside your home network. And it was free. Microsoft doesn't host the game servers. Microsoft doesn't speed your connections. As far as I can tell it does nothing except absorb money.

>>381844047
the game's aren't free. when the subscription ends, the game access gets revoked. voip isn't worth $60/yr. most games don't use dedicated servers.

online subscription fees for consoles are solely for the company's benefit.

>>381842145
Hey man, business is whatever makes money. Don't knock it if it works.

>>381843514
pssht, yeah, what are redditors, poor? cant afford $500 every 4 years for inferior hardware?

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>>381833910
It costs currently 480$ or so to own a complete copy of super smash kerfuffles on disc content, not including game. What do we expect the switches version to cost all in all?

>>381843142
Oh okay

>>381844683
Not saying it's a good thing but the price hasn't really changed much at all, they just upped it to get retards who can't wait for a 12+3 months deal, or for a sale, to blow their money. Only thing that doesn't happen is the $20 per year shit anymore, and that only happened cause they really wanted to shill it on PS3.

>>381844169
>Where does your money go?
into the nose of the jewish execs

>>381844169
Xbox live connects you to their service. They host servers. They also host voice messages and chat data, voice chat rooms, player online status, a consolidated username database so multiple people dont have the same screenname, and a lot of good content on the marketplace servers.

Absolutely none of this is offered by nintendo. Why does nintendos service cost money.

>>381844169
>Where does your money go?

To MS's profit margin, duh.

You're not paying for online services. You're paying to have a software lock on your console's internet connection removed.

>>381842671
The hilarious thing is just how shitty Nintendos online service is. They expect you to pay them so you can use your phone to call your friends lmfao.

>>381842895
Yeah, I blame Microsoft because they were the first to do it.

>>381833910
Every time I think about buying a console, I change my mind when I remember there are service fees.

you can usually find XB Live 1 year for around $30-35, especially during Black Friday

>>381833910
are you implying that its worse than the competition, or just worse than PC, which I wouldnt say is in direct competition with consoles?

>>381843714
They aren't but people are bound to break the rules.

>>381844914
Steam does all of this without the retarded fee. And Valve actually does have dedicated servers, unlike most games on Xbox.

By the way, the only reason Microsoft uses any bandwidth on voice chat is because they are logging all of it for their own purposes.

>>381842895
>>381843815
While I'm pissed you need to pay for online multiplayer, classic games are included in the subscription.

>>381845629
classic games on a cartridge are potentially valuable
classic games on a hard drive are not

>>381845262
Steam has fucking retarded pricing schematics for all their scams what the fuck are you even in about dude. They get cuts of every sale, cuts for """"allowing"""" creative modders to provide effortless content like skins, and their chat service doesnt even properly archive messages sent to offline users.

Steam absolutely is not anywhere near as comfy as xbox live or psn. Gabe newell should fucking jump off a roof and land on his head, they don't even make games anymore.

>>381844914
>connects you to their service
>player online status
>username database
This is nothing. Anyone can setup a basic forum with this functionality.

>host servers
>voice chat rooms
The games are hosted on the players' consoles. And the more server intensive online games are hosted by the developer.

>voice messages
>chat data
A handful of gigabytes. That you could pay for monthly hosting at $5 a month.

>marketplace servers
This is their store front. Why would you pay a monthly subscription for upkeep of their storefront? Would you pay $5 a month so you could order pizza online?

>>381844047

They don't provide nearly the same services but also don't charge nearly the same amount of money. At least they're starting low.

>tfw can't access any of my FUCKING BOUGHT XBLA GAMES because I don't have an XBL account

Fuck you too. Motherfuckers

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>>381845998
Nintendo does none of these things and stull charges money.

seriously what is your autistic bone to pick here? Point the finger at someone else, nigger.
>MUH XBOX LIVE SO BAD LEL

>>381846281
I believe he's saying both are scams and that anyone who defends this in any way shape or form is retarded.

>Buy shit on PS3
>PS4 comes out
>Not backwards compatible because fuck you
>PS3 breaks
>Can't use any of the shit I bought
>Buy stuff on PS4
>PS5 comes out
>Probably not BC because they need to sell it back to me again


yeah, no, I'm just gonna stay on PC

>>381846281
why do you keep bringing up nintendo? haven't you realized that you're the only one who has even mentioned nintendo?

Tanks Microsoft Tanks

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The irony of the paid online multiplayer is that games that use it use a peer-to-peer networking system, basically meaning that there aren't any real reasons to require paying for it
On the flip side, most F2P games that don't require a XBLG/PS+ subscription use servers on their own networks to host the multiplayer

>>381846713
>Buy Xbone x
>Play all old games in upscaled 4k cuz xbone has no exclusives.

>>381846713
Kill yourself fucking PCock. It's not BC because of the cell architecture.

>>381847272

>muh power of the cell

PS3 was so powerful it couldn't even handle PS2 discs, what an amazing system

>>381834560
>2013
>the kid is likely an adult or close to it by now

>>381833910
having to pay to use online component of your game is the most fucking jewish thing

>>381845956
Nigger you don't think the consoles have licensing fees? Guess what they do, and they take more than Valve. Why do you think companies were willing to sell consoles at a loss? When you purchase third party software, you are still lining their pockets.

>But they charge for other stuff
And yet they don't charge you to get online in your game. This you cannot refute.

>>381834950
I spend around $300 per month to breathe via food

>>381843714
/v/ is like 70% underage

>>381847327
That was a built in emulator. And even the PS2 had a fuck weird CPU design which is why some PS2 games emulate like shit.

>>381847765
>70%

i found the person born after 1970

>>381847990
Are you seriously denying that a ton of kids are on /v/?

>>381847990
i've been on 4chan since 1956

That is some bullshit. PS4 might as well cost $500. $250 for the system and $250 for 5 years of online. Same deal with the Switch, $400.

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>>381846764
>when you literally dont even know what thread you're posting in
lay off the drugs.

>>381848298
You do realize how long console's life cycles have been right? Granted now that we're going back to full computer standards for CPUs and GPUs, they could easily fuck everyone over and have life cycles that go back to how long the PS2 was active for. You forget how long the PS3/360 life cycle lasted since at least the PS3 was still getting some games until last year if you don't include P5 to that.

>>381848938
I think everyone just wants this generation to end, even though the next one can only be worse

>>381848938
I realize that, I'm talking if you bought those two consoles right now. If you bought a PS4 on launch I'd imagine online alone would cost $500 for the PS4's lifetime.

>>381837068
Are you fuckin retarded ??

Literally free ps plus and games you can rush each month VS paying money. Are you that lazy ??

>>381846713
>PS3 breaks
>Can't use any of the shit I bought
Well shit breaks you know
Even PCs break

>>381849352
You don't HAVE to have online capabilities, it's just that the inclusion of Day 1 patches has basically made it that games can be unplayable when you buy them. But you don't need PSN to play, I've played plenty of games without network connections. The only bullshit is the removal of LAN play from most console multiplayer games.

>>381849436

My PC breaks, I log back into my steam account

My steam account gets locked, which is highly unlikely, I just pirate it back

>>381849535
>My PC breaks, I log back into my steam account
My PS3 breaks, I log back into my PS3 account

>>381833910
It boggles me that there isn't dedicated servers for all the online games

>>381843230
blizzdrones

>>381849682

so you're gonna buy an obselete PS3 to play your PS3 games when you've already wasted your money getting a PS4?

Instead of just getting another PC which nets you your shit right back plus you can emulate older gens as well?

Net profit swings highly towards PC

>>381833910
I literally see no problem with paying for online but then again I was paying for a WoW sub for 8 years

>>381849509
It depends on the kinds of games you want to play. I like playing fighting games though, and it's not as if you can just pop into a tournament every single day. It's a reason I'm glad a lot of them are coming to PC right now since there's no extra cost to playing online.

>>381846713
why not just buy a PS3 if you want to play your PS3 stuff
Like digital stuff not being carried over is ultra gay, but everyone always cites how great it is that 360 bc works with the discs, but... why? If you're hanging on to the discs, surely you still have the physical hardware. If it breaks down, 360s and PS3s both are dirt cheap nowadays, ~$100 USD in most cases.

>>381833910
Paid mods

>>381833910
PS Plus is still a scam but I managed to save more money by buying a 1 month sub with Steins Gate 0 and Witcher 3 instead of buying them without PS Plus

>>381850085
"Paid mods" was a huge red herring. Millions of Steam users were gladly paying for mods in TF2, CSGO, and DOTA 2, but once other companies tried it there was a huge uproar because people are stupid.

>>381833910
>tfw I pay monthly for PS Plus, Xbox Live, FFXIV and soon Nintendo Switch Online.

>>381834521
Haha, yeah.
>smokes a $100 bill
Fucking poorfags.
>shits in a $2000 bag and throws it away after one use
I pay for PS+ for an alt account I never use, just in case I ever want to. When the mailman drops off my electricity bill, I tip him $20.

>>381850358
>I pay for PS+ for an alt account I never use

Kek I unironically do this, I pay for PS+ on a jap PSN account because they get better games every month

so is there actually any reason to get PS+ (outside of the ""free"" games I guess)? I've had one for a few weeks now and all of the base "online" shit I've had has been free

is it if you want to play a multiplayer FPS on a console or something?

>>381850506
>all of the base "online" shit I've had has been free
What did you do? Fucking Tetris asks me to sign up for PS+.

>>381850506
Sometimes(like right now), PS Plus gets huge discounts on certain games you may want to play over the regular discount. It may be cheaper to buy a 1 month sub with the PS Plus discount than buying it on its own.

Back when PS Plus wasn't essential for online they actually put good games for free since the consumers weren't total suckers yet

>plus ran out this month
>my free games are now held hostage
>can't even buy furi to finish it since it's in my library already
Fuck plus.

>>381850685
I made a PSN account is all, I think.
The challenges and shit like the photo hunts in GR2 went through fine and whatever the fuck the thieves' guild was in P5.

>>381850864
JUST MAKE A NEW FUCKIN ACCOUNT , free ps plus , you nerd

>>381850997
What if I want to keep my account?

It's not a question of "can you afford it", but "why the fuck would you want to you". I can't believe you corporate cocksuckers are defending a practice like this. Why do consoles still exist.

>>381850864
>can't buy furi
that's wrong though, retard. You can buy a game that you got through PS+ if your PS+ lapses.
It's retarded you can't buy it during PS+ though, but whatever.

>>381851075
Yes because monthly subscriptions to play multiplayer don't exist on PC....

>>381851161
Name 5 that aren't mmos

>>381851161
Only on MMOs. Which has the same thing on consoles so it's a completely seperate thing to paid online.
Most people don't even play MMOs.

PSN and Xbox Live are VASTLY superior ecosystems than what PC offers. I'd glady pay $5 a month for that

>>381851161
no, they don't

>>381833910
literally the reason I upgraded my PC instead of getting a PS4 back when the gen first started

I ain't paying them money to let me use my net

>>381851421
They aren't different.

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>seeing consolefags dutifully defend paying subscription fees full of ads and having their data stolen

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>>381834521
>Paid online suddenly introduced after not having it for years.
>Its not totally fine Y-YOU MUST BE POOR
Like clockwork.

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>>381847986
mad af weeb made this kek.
>The few japanese games it had wouldn't even qualify in a list of top 100 ps2/gc/dc games
you're right. they would qualify for the greatest of all time. this is the best Japanese game ever made.
>all western dogshit multiplats from PC
hows lost odyssey on your nogames station sonygro

>servers are free
OP is a faggo

>>381852976
>servers cost $60 per person per year

That isn't Star Citizen.

>>381834560
Stop stalking children, /v/
Stop.

>>381833910
How much is Nintendo's?

>>381855541

$20 USD/year

>>381836908
I remember people always doing this shit on XBL because at least back on the 360 you got a 30 day trial for new accounts.

>>381843714
kids aren't allowed on porn sites either, but that didn't stop you from visiting those sites, right?

right?

>>381856026
That doesn't sound too bad.