Is this better than New Vegas?

If you can stand isometric RPGs with turn based combat then it's not worse by any means.

>>381812157
1>New Vegas>2>3>Tactics>4

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>>381812157
a better RPG, yes, but imo new vegas is more interesting as a whole

>>381812712
put the elder scrolls on an even dumber person

>>381812553
2>1>NV>4>3

>people who unironically put 1 over 2
You hipsters are worse than 3wasn'tthatbad faggots

Fucking 3 was better than New Vegas, so of course 1 is too

>>381813424
There's always that one guy.

>>381812712
New Vegas> Fallout 4 > Fallout 1 and 2 > Fallout 3 > Tactics

Fight me

>>381813542
LMAO i don't fight retards

tactics > 3 > 2 > new vegas > brotherhood of steal > 1 > 4

>>381813542
>>381812712
>Not realizing that tactics is the best
Hello brainlets

>>381813117
but 1 had way better atmosphere and story then 2, the master was a more interesting villain, and 2 was full of the annoying pop culture references and wacky shit that brought down the overall tone of the game

>>381813542
Its against the law it hit a bitch

Yes, In terms of atmosphere. I didn't like the gameplay that much because I hate turn-based combat. It has good characters though. It has more RPG elements to it

>>381812157
Easily

>>381812157
Maybe but its to damn hard

>>381814823
>to
Holy shit learn to spell and it's not that hard you pleb

>>381813657
>>381813846
>>>>/NMA/

>>381812712
I agree, but 1>2

>>381813117
While 2 is overall mechanical improvment, story wise it's much pointlessly convoluted. Also old memes.

>>381812157
How hard would it be to get into the first two Fallout games if I've never played any of those 90's cRPGs before?
Thinking about picking them up on Steam since they're cheap and I've heard good things about them.

>>381812157
In my opinion

NV > 1 > 2 > 3 >>>>>>> 4

>>381813117
The whole concept of tribals is retarded. Humans don't degrade that fast.

>>381816264
They might take getting used to, and I have a hard time really enjoying myself playing it, but you could do a lot worse.

>>381816264
Very, but the story (in 1 anyways) is very worth it. Just keep in mind the first half of 1 has a time limit as well.

>>381812712
Tactics was a terrible game, switch it and 3 and this is a good list

>>381812157
out of 1, 2, and NV, 1 was the only one I played to completion
2 was interesting to start but I felt it kinda ran outta steam halfway through as it delved into this mobster nonsense and the story was lost, also had like 3-4 towns around that point that seemed like they should have just been merged into 1-2 iirc

NV actually bored me to tears, I don't care who develops it you can't make anything fun with that disgusting gamebyro engine

>>381816726
It really wasn't, it wasn't on par with Fallout 1/2 but it was still a fun game, rolling around in my car firing fucking rockets at supermutants, man that's something else.

>>381816264
1. it's okay to try and re-roll if you see your build ain't working
2. don't buy old games on steam - they often have compatibility issues w/ modern Windows no one has bothered to fix

>>381813542
you bring a basket full of used condoms to a gunfight. seriously?

>>381813117

I liked the tighter story, and like >>381816589
says people going tribal in two generations is kind of stupid.

>>381812157
master is best... BEST... best... "villain"

Every Fallout game was terrible. It amazes me that they managed to make an entire series without a single good title. They are all horrendously buggy, the gameplay is tedious and the story is either primitive or idiotic. The only ones that I hold some respect for are Tactics and New Vegas. Tactics was the only one with barely passable gameplay, and Vegas was the only game with decent sidequests.

>>381816802
The mobster stuff was my favorite part of the game. I completely lost interest in the actual main story.by the time you hit san fran.

>>381813117
The memelord writing and goofy easter eggs got boring after an hour or two
Also >>381816589 this

>>381817196
(You)

How do feel about bethesda's original plan for 3 where the villain would have been president Richardson's mind uploaded to a computer instead of President eden? Would that have even been better, I'm not really sure.

>>381813542

I'm trying to play through 4 now and every time I have to look at that dumbed-down Mass Effect dialogue wheel I die a little bit inside.

>>381817007
You have to go back to No Mutants Allowed

>>381817512
source?

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>>381812157
2 > 1=NV > Tactics > 3 > 4

As much as I love Fallout 1 and New Vegas, the sheer amount of content in 2 makes it so fucking replayable and fun I have to make it #1. Gameplay wise it's better than 1, even though the plot isn't as cohesive. The stuff to do in all the towns is always fun as fuck to go through. As much as I love New Vegas it's still built on Fallout 3's ass engine. If somebody did a TC for 2 and transplant everything from NV into it it'd be #1 fallout game forever.

>>381812157

No, the originals are hipster trash for people trying to fit in. When you ignore the story, 3 and 4 are the only ones worth playing.

>>381812982
Objectively right_

>>381817684
>when you ignore the story

you mean the only interesting and worthwhile part of the fallout series?

>>381817596
To be honest, that was just something I read on the wiki a long time ago. So there's a decent chance it's not true.

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I cant tell who is shitposting on this thread and who is not.

>>381817905
>worthwhile part of the fallout series?
Fallout 4 has some of the best shooting mechanics in an open world game.

>>381817905

>game based on capacitors and vacuum tubes working in electronics and pre-war food being edible 250 years after full nuclear war
>story is any good

>>381817621
Classic Fallout's turn based system is terrible. All you do is click one button and roll dice; there's nothing else to it.

Still a good game, but the combat is not fun.

>>381817684
Bethesda's game engine isn't really built for shooting. It feels very clunky. So if you ignore the writing and rpg elements (like in 4) then what's left?

>>381817969
>something I read on the wiki a long time ago
Most stuff on the wiki is made up by autistic kids
What's true however, is that they wanted you to find your dad mutating in Vault 87 and begging you to kill him, but they had to rewrite that part for some reason

>>381817986
Not really. Any automatic gun is completely worthless. Firing a gatling gun takes forever to kill anything worth a damn.

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>>381817986
You must be baiting. Far Cry 4's shooting is miles ahead of Fallout 4's, and that's just an example. F4's shooting is generic at most, and let's not talk about poor weapon balance and abundance of bullet sponges.

>>381818162
That actually sounds interesting. Stuff like that, the pitt and even point lookout show that bethesda can make some interesting ideas. So why is the main game of 3 so bland?

>>381812157
I'm not really into that style of RPG, so for me New Vegas is better, but I can say without a doubt it's better than the Bethesda games.

>>381817512
Not really considering the Enclave lost all its threat between 2 and 3. Compare the Oil Rig and Frank Horrigan to Autumn, to say nothing of how deadly the regular Enclave soldier in 2 was compared to 3. Richardson is hardly why the Enclave is remembered.

>>381818116
There's nothing wrong with turn-based games. I prefer them in RPG's. I also like roguelikes and those are turn-based.

>>381816874
My biggest complaint about Tactics (aside from most Small Guns suddenly becoming useless after that one level) is that they don't let you bring vehicles into missions. What's the point of giving the player a fucking tank if you can't do anything with it?

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>>381818314
Because they make games to appeal to the masses, and some super emotional story where you play as daddy's boy/girl working with him to help the people only to find him killed in front of you by generic villains appeals a lot more to normies. Then they make DLCs with better design than the base game (see: Far Harbor) to convince people to buy it. It's all down to business.

1 is kind of small, it's pretty easy to do everything there is to do, and the order and outcomes are not that varied over playthroughs. I don't mind the humor in 2 and it was much larger, and had much more memorable locations and quests and sequences.

NV was huge and great but suffered under the Bethesda/Gamebryo garbage and I didn't like the endgame much and also no nostalgia.

2 > NV > 1

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>>381818116
Funnily enough I have the opposite problem with Fallout 3 onward as I feel the combat is just point at health sponge and hold/tap rapidly the LMB. At least with 1 & 2 using stimpacks required the action points to open up your bag.

>>381818457
Yeah I agree even tho I didn't really like the tank, I much preferred the fast buggies

>>381812982
2>NV>1>3>4

>>381812553
the only right answer desu

Odds on obsidian getting to make another fallout? Is it even possible? Even if they could would bethesda let them being back perks and normal leveling?

>>381818119

While I completely agree that the amount of times Bethesda has resuscitated their Gamebryo engine is unreasonable and their studio is known for making vapid fetch quests, exploring an open world and having random encounters is often fun.

I'd post a mfw, but I don't seem to have that old .gif of a closeup of some ugly British guy slowly smiling, if any anons have it, please post.

what is the best in original fallouts is the phiolosophy of progressing in quests. most of the "important" quests were designated so you can a) use persuasion b) use stealth c) resolve problems with violence. and bethesdas fallouts dont really care about it (at least the forth one, the third one tried, but there were some unskipable fights sequences as far as i remember etc.)

well for me it will be 1 > 2 - I just prefer less wackiness

>>381812157
1 > Tactics > 2 > New Vegas >>> 3 > 4

>>381819091
2 is honestly too silly. Like I know all of them have weird and goofy stuff but there's just so much of it in 2. Being in a porno, being a mobster, so many more random encounters that aren't even jokes they're just references, etc. I like that in NV, the references are less abundant and require using wild wasteland.

>>381813542
>nvbabby also likes 4
>doesn't like Tactics
Shit taste desu.

>>381818905
They probably won't. Even a lot of NV is just stuff that was supposed to be in the original fallout 3.

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>>381812157
It's got faults, but as someone who's played 3 and NV a great deal, long before playing through 1, I actually want to go back and play 1 again, unlike my desire for the 3D ones.

It's just got more polish in the actual rpg side imo. Yeah not every npc has voiced lines, but the ones that do have seemingly painstakingly animated and emotive faces that were literally handcrafted with clay, along with their own va most of the time. Where as fallout just has puppets churned out of there character creator, with 6 or 7 va's spread across countless npcs with maybe a celebrity or two along with a few other higher quality va's.

Don't even get me started on the music, not counting the obligatory 50's hits. The ambient tracks just compliment the tragic mad max/hokuto no Ken world beautifully.

https://youtu.be/EaRiY7WkMhw

https://youtu.be/Uf7l_em3nrs

https://youtu.be/dn3UDyLf9-A

The only thing that might rub you the wrong way could be the lack of conveniences provided by modern gaming ( like fast travel, or a truly open world to be honest ), and the combat system, which relies a bit on rng. Otherwise, it's atmospheric af, has a lot of freedom with how you play the game, and does so many other things better then 3D fallouts, not that they aren't still worth playing.

>Le Fallout 3 is bad meme

How the fuck is this ever a thing? my first FO game and it was amazing simple design with karma system. like what? lol

>NV
what's so great about it?, I feel like you faggots whining are PEESEEfags who had fallout3.exe crashing or something

>>381819747
The whole point of Fallout 2 is "you can be anything", including hookers and mobsters. Fallout 1 is narrative-driven and doesn't have neither time nor space to fuck around. And lets not pretend like special encounters and pop-cultures references didn't exist in Fallout 1, it's pretty much Mad Max with sleeveless vests and crazy raiders, you first companion is a doggo (I seriously hope nobody picked Ian)

>>381820447
I like the writing in NV more, mostly. Characters are more believable. Also NV connects more to 1 and 2 making it feel more like a continued series. 3 just feels so different and 4 especially does. Also bethesda repeats stuff to much. Like why are there now three different sources of super mutants (mariposa, vault 87 and the institute)?

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>>381820592
Why do we hate Ian again?

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>>381820447
solid b8 i'll give you that

>>381820447
neogaf tier post

>>381820447
0/10
That is one pathetic attempt at baiting, anon. Step up your game.

>>381820904
*shoots you in the back*
*gets one-shot by any enemy*

>>381820951
Even NeoGaf knows FO3 is garbage.

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>>381820447

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>>381820447
Fallout 3 was my first Fallout game as well, doesn't mean it's not shit compared to the originals.

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>>381820848
>>381820935
>>381820935
>>381820951
>>381821050

So that's the reason why bitch about the game being bad?
>It's not Le Canon game

Who gives a shit if the gameplay is good? It's not even the same game anymore made with even the people who worked on the first 2 games all those years ago

The fuck? You sound like the faggot whining about DMC reboot not being the same as other DMCs when you could do your own FUCKING research and learn if it'll be the same type of game

Lazy people shit on the game turning to go a new direction because they're too lazy to look it up. that's some dumb nigger tier thinking right there

Thanks to FO3 I went back and loved the fuck out of first 2 games even thought it wasn't even the same you guys are fucking females holy shit

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>>381820904
He seems like a groovy guy

Don't reply to the b8poster thx

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>>381821301
> Who gives a shit if the gameplay is good

nice, admitting you're baiting.

>>381821301
Hey I gave an actual reason why I prefer NV to 3. None of which were even related to whatever you're talking about now. Though if we're talking about gameplay, that's worse in 3 as well. As seen in >>381821243

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>Lmao dude who plays videogames for the gameplay anymore

Amazing trolling friend(lol) still nothing to show the game is "shit" you're just exaggerating like a female

>>381821778
>Surivival is even the one not high leveled
It's too accurate

>>381812157

Yes

It's the best one by far, with 2 and NV coming in 2nd

>>381818457
>Small Guns becoming useless ever in tactics
What? Did you miss the gauss weapons?

>>381815253
>>>>>
We already know you're retarded, you don't have to spell it out.

>>381818434
There's nothing wrong with turn-based; it's just that classic Fallout is the most barebones version of it. The classic combat is mostly brainless, and there's nothing to it.

>>381817621
2 is "it's pretty shit, but there's a lot of shit"
1 is "it's not too shit, but there isn't much of it"
It'll be eternally debated by quantity vs quality fags.

With each bethesda game being more casual than the last, I honestly can't even imagine what elder scrolls 6 will be like.

>>381820379
Those inhuman sounds at ~1:55 in Flame of the Ancient World spook me something good. It should be illegal to have atmosphere this strong.

>>381813542
How mich attention did you harvest over the years in here ?

Is daddy not at home or is mommy a single mother ? Either way kys

>>381822170
That's why I said "most". But that shit's rare, so by the end of the game the only party members I keep on Small Guns are the sniper (with gauss) and maybe someone else using a Jackhammer with slug/EMP rounds.

>I've beaten Fallout 1 half a dozen times
>I still can't figure out how to get the Doctor in Junktown arrested for selling human meat
It HAS to be possible, what the heck am I doing wrong??

Ahem we all know the order is

2 > NV > 1 > 3 > 4
Who the fuck plays the spin offs?

>>381822170
you get a single gauss rifle(the pistol is legit worthless) two missions before the end of the game, and another at the very end of the game. It doesn't even deal that much damage for how rare the ammo is.

Every single plasma rifle you can find(the hundreds of them) is superior to a gauss rifle in anything but range. It's sad.

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>>381821778
>[Intelligence] The baby is drowning
everytime

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>it's a "Super Mutant with a Browning M2 and infinite Depleted Uranium .50 rounds" episode

>>381812712
you're supposed to use that ironically anon

>>381826047
*corrects your path*
3, you can buy one from Dagger Squad and there's a robot sniper on the atom carrier segment.

>>381826263
After clearing the mission with the trenches and APC, I was really hoping your debriefing would've mentioned your having taken out the mutants within the mutant base you lacked authority to enter.

>>381826756
yeah, the second one I mentioned was the robot sniper one.

And yeah, you do get another 20 minutes before the end of the game. But by then I had two guys with pulse rifles, one with a plasma. I drugged the everloving fuck out of them and set them to aggressive sentry. Just walked through the level and erased everything, everyone else was just carrying worthless loot.

almost as good as getting the Pancor 10 minutes into the game

>>381826968
the APC was so buggy, jesus christ

I'm not sure if it was supposed to be able to go over the trenches and the toxic moat, but I sure as fuck did

I even used it as a bridge to get one stealthy guy into the fortress to steal some shit. He only got gibbed once.

>>381825390
Tell the copppers

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>Pitch Black random encounter

1>2>4>NV>3>Tactics
FO1 and 2 manage to have astoundingly shit combat, movement, and UI but the story choices, quests, characters, and exploration are all great.
Tactics is the a combat focused game running on the 1/2 engine so I didn't bother to touch it.
3/NV have mediocre combat and weaker quests than 1/2. They're literally the same game except NV has ironsights, mildly better quests, and a primitive faction system.
4 has the worst choices in the series but has great gunplay and some really fun quests, along with settlement building which can be fun if you enjoy that sort of thing. There might as well not be a dialog system though.

>>381826975
>Just walked through the level and erased everything, everyone else was just carrying worthless loot.
Me except 3 .brownings

I feel like the Flamethrower never got a chance to be useful.
I had it in my head that I'd get power armor and chase down mid-tier baddies with it, but by the time I got PA, enemies were equipped to pass my defenses.

I was hoping for a modest stretch of gameplay where I got that Fallout 1/2 "I am invincible with this armor" time.

>>381812553
>3 over tactics
kys

>>381827576
I had a guy with a browning, but fucking friendly fire stopped me from using it on real time with aggressive sentry.

>>381827506
>great gunplay
Can someone explain this meme to me? Gunplay seems to be the go to argument for 4 defenders in the same vein "muh atmosphere" was for 3.

The animations are far worse and the weapon variety is subpar.

>>381825390
I don't think you can in the base game, maybe with a cut content patch you can

>>381827105
>I'm not sure if it was supposed to be able to go over the trenches and the toxic moat, but I sure as fuck did
Nope. I'd considered trying it, but didn't want the APC to get stuck.

Over the course of the entire game, the APC behaved rather well, personally. Lucky me.

>>381827506
Wrongbad opinion
1>NV>2>3>Tactics>Fallout Shelter>4

>>381827673
Brownies lead the way.
You send your your M2 guy in on active and leave your squad a short distance away.

If trying to work with more than one, you set them into a wide /v/ shape and keep a mental overlay of fighting cones/drop their fire threshold as they pass each other, but enemies are present.

>>381827787
>The animations are far worse
no?
>the weapon variety is subpar
theres less total guns, but in terms of guns that feel unique to use, theres far more
>Gunplay seems to be the go to argument for 4 defenders in the same vein "muh atmosphere" was for 3.
4's guns aren't amazing but they're not bullet hoses like the guns in 3/NV
>>381827896
>Wrongbad opinion
good post

>>381812553
correct

>>381813117
1>3>2

>>381812157
No. Isometric games are SHIT.

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>>381828465
This man is right. The 3D titles breathed life into a series whose original stewards weren't worthy of it. Thankfully Bethesda was around to save and reinvent the franchise.

>>381828605
I can agree with that.
Thanks to Bethesda I know fallout.

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>>381828239
>no?
This is fine is it?
>guns feel unique to use
In what way? I know damn well gunplay isn't great in 3 or NV (a little better in NV what with ironsights being added) but it doesn't need to be good. Praising the gunplay for an RPG is like praising the paper quality of a book.

>>381829275
>He doesn't load 4 phantom rounds before loading a real round

>>381827506
>great gunplay
>mattering in an rpg
It was a huge improvement but doesn't come close to making up for all the shit they took out of FO4

>>381829275
Don't worry anon, you can now experience that same reloading experience in VR now!

>>381830540
modern gaymurs can't possibly understand that combat isn't the only type of gameplay

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>>381826415

its great

>>381829275
>This is fine is it?
I love cherrypicking too anon.
It doesn't even matter if its cherrypicked tho, its still a better animation than anything in 3 or NV. Only /k/ browsers get triggered by this shit.

>>381829275
>Praising the gunplay for an RPG is like praising the paper quality of a book.
Almost didn't reply to this part, but gunplay in your RPG where the main mode of combat is fighting with guns (I know melee and unarmed are options but they're even worse) is pretty fucking important.

>>381832306
No, I'm sorry this doesn't make sense. You can't praise the games combat and then say "hurr only nerds would find fault with my guns"

I bet you think the story is fine too even though it's riddled with inconsistencies. Or worse yet, I bet you don't even play RPGs for the story.

Ah no, you decided to put 1 and 2 first because you didn't want to look like a total tool in front of /v/.

>>381832910
>You can't praise the games combat and then say "hurr only nerds would find fault with my guns"
N-no? Having the guns be unrealistic doesn't mean bad gunplay.
>I bet you think the story is fine too even though it's riddled with inconsistencies.
I didn't say anything like that anywhere
>I bet you don't even play RPGs for the story.
I don't play them just for the story, no.
>you decided to put 1 and 2 first because you didn't want to look like a total tool in front of /v/.
I don't know why you think I care about what anonymous shitposters think of me, but I put 1 and 2 first because they have good characters and a lot of choices. FO4 doesn't, but it has good gunplay and some fun quests, so its not bad. They're two completely different types of games though.

>>381833257

I'm not really seeing what about 4's gunplay is so improved over 3 or New Vegas.

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>>381812712
It's missing the prequel to Fallout 3.

>>381833992
Then you didn't play 4, I guess? It's much better, more responsive, more recoil, better sounds, better animations, much more smooth, its pretty much just better in every way.

>>381834601

No, I'm playing it alongside New Vegas and it doesn't seem all that much better.

>>381834750
I'm pretty sure you're either lying or just have bad taste? I don't know. Its pretty much objective that 4 has better gun fights.

>>381834601
If I want a shooter, I can play basically any other big AAA game. I'd really rather fallout be an rpg again.

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Is this better than Fallout 1

>>381834987

I mean it looks a little prettier but the actual combat seems to be exactly the same thing with melee enemies brainlessly swarming me and raiders with guns mostly milling around out in the open to shoot at me.