How was i supposed to know to use a fish to get inside lord jabu jabu

no shit
big fish eat little fish

Didn't the sign tell you to leave an offering?

>>381791769
but how was i supposed to know that offering was to be a fish.

>>381791907
they tell you

>>381790935

>you literally get told Ruto disappeared after a routine Jabu Jabu fish feeding

bruh

You were supposed to read it in GamePro or EGM, or log into ign64.com

Where were you in the 90s

>>381792157
its easy to forget that plus on a first playthrough there is no sort of indication you could interact with the world in that way.

>>381790935
Is this the weekly " i am too dumb to play ocarina of time" thread?

>>381792362
Fuck off. If you couldn't get it when 1996 rolled about and in the lords year of 2017 you are still questioning it. I think you have serious problems op.

>>381790935
>>381792383
I quit after getting stuck inside this thing. I just lost interest completely by then.

>>381790935
getting inside jabu in ages was harder
took me forever to figure out the tornado seeds allowed me to warp

>>381790935
I was stuck on this for years as a child.

>>381792551
the game came out in 1998.
im just questioning obtuse game design that is clearly outdated. It is your problem if you are offended by it.

>>381792383
It's one of those threads where we pretend older games that are critically acclaimed are actually shit because they're unintuitive, but unintuitive in the sense that the game didn't hold your hand and explicitly guide you to do one thing or another.

The usual suspect is "how was i supposed to know to jump in the paintings?" in Super Mario 64.

>>381792803
I'm just saying, looking at cliff as a impassable barrier is an obtuse way of thinking like yours. Trying to find ways around it is what the game facilitates. You, are the problem. Design stands solid.

>>381792931
except this is legitimately obtuse and poorly communicated. It doesn't have to do with hand holding or whatever meme nonsense.

Hundreds of six year olds completed OoT OP. Are you saying that you couldn't solve a puzzle that hundreds of young children could?

>>381793425
> six year olds
> with guides

>There are people on /v/ so casual they actually needed a fish
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQ7E_u651Eo

>>381792606
literally what does that spoilered sentence mean? I'm a huge oot fan and that sounds like gibberish to me.

>>381793550
I obviously don't know if other kids used guides back in 1998, and I doubt they did, but my friends and I sure didn't. I remember almost begging a friend of mine at the time to tell me how he got the Fire Arrows.

>>381792931
this

>>381793425
my mom printed off a guide from gfaqs and we used that to get past that part

>>381793817
I was 9 when OoT came out
>older brother bought
>also bought the guide
>I used the guide quite extensively

Plus it was fun to read while takin a shit

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>>381793817
I didn't know how to get the fire arrows or that fire arrows were even in the game for years and I even had the whole supercheats dot com page practically memorized by the time I was 9, so maybe it was lesser known - is that even possible?

I remember in 2001 asking the neighbor boy's older brother at the front door of their house and he told me to shoot the sun when it comes up, I ran home and did that and my file was complete, 100%.

>Game literally hands you a bottle so there's no chance of you NOT having one at this point
>They pulled the same thing in Majora's Mask so you can handle the post-temple content

>>381793817
you were still getting outside help from communicating with friends

>>381793856
>My personal experience, is a valid, universal argument.

Why don't you just learn to think you piece of shit?

Most 6 years old figured it out, i am not just talking about ME, but the fact that the vast majority didn't bother, having/finding a guide, they just played the game on their own, until they figure it out.

Isn't what the pleasure of an adventure game is? Figure it out for yourself?

Obviously, you little child need everything written in big and big dots on your map, because your logical and intuitive ability are completely fried up between youtube bullshit and angry birds.

>>381794368
It was easy enough to figure out (they're even nice enough to make it morning the very moment you complete the Water Temple), but the major problem was that time between when you can first get them and when you fucking need them (there was one puzzle in Ganon's Castle that couldn't be solved with Din's Fire instead, dunno if remakes changed that) was huge. So if you walked away without realizing you skipped out on that, well, fuck... where are they.

>>381790935
I don't even remember how I got in when I was a kid.

>>381794883
my experience is the universal truth actually, sorry you weren't informed of this

>>381793763
Read the post again, he's talking about Oracle of Ages

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How was I supposed to know that play video games as a child would make me develop one of the worst fetishes?

>>381795489
I'm almost convinced late 80's and 90's culture peddled to children was made to birth degenerates.

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>>381795020
there's definitely not a single necessary puzzle that needs the fire arrows, I never got them until years after I beat the game

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>tfw mom got you prima official strategy guide

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>kids spent hours figuring stuff like this out, then shared it with classmates the next day at school
>they spoke to NPCs and used a base intuition to figure out these puzzles in a Zelda game
>20 years later, people on anonymous image boards are whining about the lack of handholding ina game that made you use your head once in a while
Please don't breed. Actually you probably won't

>>381790935
the game literally tells you
stop shitposting any time

>>381797591
I'm sorry anon...

>>381790935
because games didnt hand hold back then

I didn't know that I had to look up to activate Gohma. I was stuck 3 days wandering around the deku tree trying various things until a friend told me what to do. This was before I had the internet as well.

OoT was also one of my first full 3D games Everything else I played before that was usually a lot less open and didn't allow freely looking around.

If you talk around Zora's domain because you're too stupid to figure out that a big ol' aquatic creature probably eats fish and because Ruto disappeared during a feeding, one of the Zora will say the following line verbatim-

>According to the "Legend of Zora," the act of offering a fish to Lord Jabu-Jabu will make you happy.

Fuck you for making me have to find a line of dialogue I never read in the actual game because even my eight-year-old self was apparently smarter than your dumb ass.

>>381797910
unless navi says to drop the fish in front of lord jabu jabu, then it doesnt

>>381798292
Calling horseshit here, are you telling me if you don't look at the ceiling you can just run around the room doing whatever and the boss fight doesn't initiate?

Yeah, it's just that there's nowhere to go and the glowing eye of the boss in your peripheral vision is supposed to eventually grab your attention.

>>381798742
Yep, and that is pretty much what I did (As well as trying other shit in the Deku Tree to see if it activated Gohma). If you don't believe me, go try it.

>>381792803
>obtuse game design
>HURRR DURR I HAVE TO ACTUALLY READ TO LEARN WHAT I NEED TO BEAT THE GAME

>>381790935
you were told that Ruto disappeared while feeding lord Jabu Jabu.
the zoras tell you that Lord Jabu Jabu eats fish from the domain.
I did this shit as a kid and didn't have to look it up.

>>381799134
a good game should be able to communicate to the player with as little dialog as possible. If you cant figure out what to do because you didnt read, that is the games fault

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How were you supposed to know to light the stick on fire?

>>381799736
how else would you light the torches?

>>381792275
Yah but my mom was on the phone

>>381794883
>Most 6 year olds figured it out

Did they? Fucking retard.

>>381790935
How do people manage to not figure this shit out when me as a young kid could without being able to read fucking english?

>>381799736
Ace Attorney super power #3: Basic logic

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How was I supposed to know you had to crawl through here?

Not even memeing, my cousin literally had to show me how to progress.

>>381797481
wtf? wheres that gif from? i dont remember that in the original majora's

>>381792275
Kids these days will never know the joy of printing out an entire walkthrough, 6pt font, double columns, double sides just to have it handy at the TV.

>>381790935
I was a dopey kid with no internet and I managed to figure it out. Git gud

>>381800202
The A button indicator is context sensitive.

>>381800202
Too weak of bait, both the a button changes to let you know and the sign tells you so.

>>381800425
I didn't even get that close to the wall lads. Not bait at all.

YALL MOTHERFUCKERS ARE POSTING IN A TROLL THREAD

GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY /v/ YOU NEW SHITS

>>381799682
Is it? Is dialogue not a part of the game? If a game's dialogue is made unecessary, there's no reason to have it at all.
If dialogue is going to be present, is it really "bad game design" to have it be a part of the game?

>>381799682
So for you all point'n'click adventure games aren't good games ?
Well fuck you too

>>381800576
Signs tho.

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>>381794883

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>>381799898
I'm not old

>>381800632
fuck you, this is not a troll thread. Get the fuck off this board. Fucking autistic fuckers like you ruin this board for actual people who want to intelligently discuss videogames for the benefit of society

>>381800272
Guess you never got to the end then

>>381798742

That's exactly what happens yeah.

>>381790935
I figured that shit out as a kid when I barely knew any english, without a guide.

You just need to pay more attention.

>>381800795
nigga who the fuck reads signs. To this day I just press the A button to skip it.

>>381800734
Dialogue is used to flesh out the world, especially in zelda. When the game that relies on its level design, mise en scene, and diagetic sound designs to, doing the exact throwing a curve ball that is using a line of easily missed dialogue to be the key to progress is bad design. The game would be better if it was more clear in communicating the requirements for progression.

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>>381800202
There's literally a sign right fucking next to it

>>381793763
>I'm a huge oot fan and
so you've never played any of the good zeldas?

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How was I supposed to know there was a jump button?

These threads always make me wonder what will happen if we show Gen Z how to solve some of the most obtuse, moon logic based, old puzzles from Sierra games.

The Zora say that his favorite food is fish.

>tfw I never played any of the 3d zelda
are the GC versions okay? I hate the n64 emulators

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Zelda is a game for non-autistic children if you cant even pass the game then you're confirmed to have a low iq

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>>381793817

I used a guide I bought from a store back in 1998. People still used them, they just weren't online.

>>381790935
i beat this game when I was 6, and I was, and am, a favela monkey

>>381801482
>Dialogue is used to flesh out the world
Who says? In a game like Phoenix Wright, dialogue is necessary to play the game. You could make the same argument for adventure games. If there's going to be dialogue in a game, it makes sense to justify it's existence. Dialogue itself is a mechanic in your toolbox, it doesn't have to be purely cosmetic.
>doing the exact throwing a curve ball that is using a line of easily missed dialogue to be the key to progress is bad design. The game would be better if it was more clear in communicating the requirements for progression.
So what separates Kass' riddles in BOTW, then? Would you know to get struck by lightning standing on a rock without dialogue? Is that bad game design that should've been cut?

>>381802257
yeah absolutely. enjoy anon

>>381800814
Great response low IQ man.

>>381797802
This indeed.

>>381793425
Six year olds have a lot of time. If you get stuck, you don't really have anything better to do than cluelessly run around until you get it. Only being able to afford a video game every other month makes you really patient.

>>381802257
Sure, GC controller is better.

>>381802257
Play the 3DS versions.

>>381802628
I havent played BOTW so cant comment
Phoenix Wright isnt a videogame its a glorified visual novel.

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>>381790935

I know that feel op.

>spent two hours playing ocarina songs trying to get the retarded fish to open
>finally just started crying and threw my N64 out the window and was grounded for a month

>>381799736
knew how to light sticks but this got me when you have to burn the first spiderweb at the bottom of the deku tree

>>381803125
It's illegal to talk shit about Ace Attorney here. I'm sorry but you're going to the gulag.

>>381801451
Enjoy Atlus countersuing you into oblivion, phil.

>>381802951
>have to resort to emulators
>thinks I have a 3ds

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>>381803808
>Not owning a 3DS and hacking the shit out of it
Get with the times, slowpoke.

I got stuck in that part for a while, felt glorious when I finally did it I think it was an accident

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How was I supposed to know when to change the water level

>>381792803
>it's THE GAME'S fault I'm retarded

>>381802903
/v/ is too young to get this

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>>381805936

delet this, it triggers my stress epilepsy

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>>381790935
post >yfw you found out that the thing on the bottom of the lake was a bottle after ignoring it for 3 weeks!

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>>381790935

I love when retards like you come out of the woodworks and try to shit on popular games due to having no life offline and needing to derive attention from us.

http://zelda.gamepedia.com/Legend_of_Zora

Here's your (you) faggot.

>>381802903
>>381806179

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHjkjhlV5Xg

>>381792362
>its easy to forget that
Maybe for you LOL

>>381806363

>implying anyone actually went around and talked to LITERALLY EVERY NPC in the game

kys

>>381790935
Back then, if you were too daft to figure it out you could buy guides from your video game stores that told you what to do.

>>381803186
You need to explore more.

"According to the "Legend of Zora," the act of offering a fish to Lord Jabu-Jabu will make you happy." — Zora

The game practically tells you.

>>381806502
>He didn't

kys and your whole family

>>381792803
>obtuse game design
So "Obtuse" now means "They didn't hold my hand through the entire game"?

>>381806502
>I-I-I have to move the goalposts to avoid looking like a lazy retard

There aren't even that many Zora in Zora's Fountain. None of them are hidden unlike some Gorons in Goron City.

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>>381806907
AAUUUHHH OOUGHHHH

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Anyone else too scared to play the game further because of this?

>>381803125
>Phoenix Wright isnt a videogame its a glorified visual novel.
So you'd disagree with dialogue being a mechanic? I don't think any experienced game designers would agree with you.

Looking at this thread no wonder Zelda will never be hardcore or made significantly more difficult.

>>381807261

The atmosphere at the Bottom of the Well is amazing.

>>381806502
>implying anyone actually went around and played the game
this is how retarded you sound

i love the "6 year old me figured it out, if you can't you're dumb" comments.

you don't remember how many hours and hours 6 year old you wandered around doing nothing valuable at all. you'd shut the game off in a second if you experienced anything like that as an adult.

>>381793817
There's literally a fucking sign that basically says "shoot the sun with an arrow"

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>>381792803
>>381799682
>>381801482
>>381803125
this smells like egoraptor

>>381790935
Games didn't spoon-feed you constantly so you would try things.

>>381807945
An adult wouldn't do that though, they'd read the text and know what to do instantly, not in hours. Also just because you have ADD doesn't mean everyone else does too.

>>381807945
>you don't remember how many hours and hours 6 year old you wandered around doing nothing valuable at all
and you do? did you have cameras in my house when I was 6 anon? I'm pretty sure that's illegal

>>381800007
yes, they did

>>381799736
Absolutely stuck me as well, I was completely amazed when the web was burned. Generally I was stuck all the time. But, being a nine year old non native English speaker that's to be expected, it took my friends and me more than 1.5 year to beat the game. Hookshot was a bitch.

>>381790935
>me as a kid
>beaner
>0 english skills
>still figure it out
You are a retard

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How the fuck was I supposed to know I had to shoot this switch in the Deku tree? It doesn't even move.

The one that really stumped me was this one web in the final area that was Ganon taken over Hyrule castle.

I tried to bomb it, throw fire sticks at it, chuchu mob it, but nothing worked.

I had to look online and discovered I specifically needed the fire arrow that I didn't even know how to get.

It was a real stupid moment. I was stuck on it for like 3 days.

>was seven years old
>ended up writing a guide to this game and shared it with my friends at school that were stuck
>had locations of all the heart pieces and gold skulltulas included as well
>my biggest breakthrough was all the fourth bottle which took me forever to find since I kept trying to get off of Epona to kill the large poes for some reason

Kids games are too hard for adults with brain problems.

>>381807261
I literally pissed my pants out of fear the first time one catched me in the forest temple. I had to ask a kid 2 years younger than me to beat that part.

>>381811112
literally this

how was i supposed to know that a rainbow bridge would appear out of nowhere

>>381807261
>>381807353
>>381811897

The forest temple, shadow temple and well always made me skip everything extra due to the jump scares and freaky shit. I was terrified as a kid. Still beat them all, but it was one of those lean-forward-while-gaming times.

>>381790935

How am I supposed to not get bored of OoT once I get to Jabu Jabu? Seriously the game grows tedious every time I get to about this part and I can't be bothered to maintain interest.