One year ago, the ZTD 3DS cia leaked and people began playing

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In 3 days, it will have been 1 year since I payed full price for ZTD.

Captcha: Anger Avenue

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Time flies.

>>381789973
>3dsfags killed the series with piracy
Disgusting, I'm glad I bought the PC release.

>>381791636
Piracy literally never affected this franchise.

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>>381789973
I was one of them! I played through the game, eagerly expecting a twist or reveal--some mindfuck--that never came! I will never ever not be mad at the gargantuan pile of pure unadulterated SHIT that ZTD turned out to be. I sincerely wish Uchi's mother had aborted him and raised her placenta instead.

>>381791636
It deserved to die

>>381789973
Why always the same image for the op post without putting the spoiler filter over it?
I mean I already know about le meme man twist so that's not the issue but can't you just tick the thing?

>>381792468
I don't know, people just do it and usually a mod puts up the spoiler protection on it. They really shouldn't need to but there you go.

>>381792468
This shitty game doesn't deserve spoiler tags for discussion.

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I can't believe it's already been a year. I remember making this tie-dye shirt a week before the game came out I was so hyped.

>>381793145
the fuck is that even supposed to be?

>>381789973
One year ago the ZTD cia leaked and I began playing Fire Emblem Awakening because I was tricked by anon.

>>381793295
>>381793295
The X represents the Decision Game (X-Door and all that) while the the colors outside that represent each team. Sorry, I thought it was easy to pick that up.

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>>381791980
>I sincerely wish we never got 999 or VLR

>>381789973
I start playing this shit

How hard are the puzzles?

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>>381789973
>start playing games before ZTD comes out
>play 999 and get all the endings
>wow this is fucking amazing
>move on to ZLR and get most of them
>not as good as 999 but that was still breddy gud
>ZTD leaks
>mfw after

I feel like its better to just pretend it doesnt exist

>>381794063
much easier than VLR

>>381795209
Same level of 999 or easier?

>>381789973
>how fucking horrible it was
You're really blowing this out of proportion

>>381794191
>>move on to ZLR and get most of them

Zirtue's Last Reward?

>>381795328
It really was bad. The only good part of the game was really Carlos. Also, how they managed to make Eric likable by the end of the game.

>>381791636
After ZTD, it deserves death.

>>381795280
I had difficulty with a few of the puzzles in 999 but I don't remember getting stuck at any point in ZTD. I'd already played through two of the games in the series before starting ZTD though, so that probably has more to do with it, rather than the inherent difficulty of the game.

Does anyone know when, exactly, we found out about the Delta twist? I've been looking through the archives to no avail and need to see the reaction.

>>381795549
Eric's redemption was something with potential but they never quite touch that point.

Shame because I liked him.

>>381795280
Harder than 999.

>>381795549
Well, that's just your opinion
/v/ is so overly critical of everything it's not really surprising ZTD is made out to be shit I guess

I don't think it was anywhere near as good as 999 or VLR but that doesn't make it irredeemable shit. I think the only part of the game that was legitimately bad was the whole alien fax machine thing

It was still a decent game with a decent story at the end of the day, even if it had some problems and didn't resolve everything from the previous games (which we KNEW it wouldn't since they said they were making it accessible to newcomers)

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VLR > ZTD > 999

>>381796049
You know people say that Diana's route was the best one because it was written by Uchikoshi, but honestly it felt very weak. Personally, I liked Carlos' route the best simply because I think Carlos was the best character in the game (they ruined Phi and Sigma, some fucking how). Q route was only redeemed by Eric and Sean sort of having a weird brother dynamic. Mira didn't exist.

The pain could be much worse.

Be glad you aren't Homestuck fans

>>381796279
>which we KNEW it wouldn't since they said they were making it accessible to newcomers
Does that even excuse it? What the fuck was Uchikoshi thinking? Why the hell would you rewrite your entire story to accommodate newcomers when one of the reasons why the game got made was because of the hardcore fans. It's so ass backwards

>>381796279
>didn't resolve everything from the previous games (which we KNEW it wouldn't since they said they were making it accessible to newcomers)
More like, didn't answer anything, and even changed some things we though we knew. Especially anything to do with Brother.

>>381796279
It is shit. It ruined previous characters by making them act in nonsensical ways, had completely useless characters in terms of the overall plot, added very little new music, had bad animations, had no narration to draw you in, had very simplistic puzzles without alternate solutions like those present in VLR or at least anything comparable, contradicted multiple plot points from VLR, and was riddled with plot holes. The story was not decent, it was bad. The characters were bad. Almost everything in the game was bad. If you have no standards, of course it's going to seem like a decent game, but anyone who understands what makes a good mystery game can look at ZTD and see the many, many areas where it utterly failed.

>>381789973
>it's been a year and we still have daily disappointment threads
it's a testament to how incredible the first two games were. I don't think even MGSV inspires so much salt

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>>381796340
999>ZTD>VLR
Just admit it /v/. ZTD was really good it just had terrible asspulls right at the end

>>381795364
yah

>>381796648
>It is shit. It ruined previous characters by making them act in nonsensical ways, had completely useless characters in terms of the overall plot, added very little new music, had bad animations, had no narration to draw you in

For a moment I thought you were describing VLR

ITT we post bald faced lies Uchikoshi told.

>"kyle is absolutely necessary"

>>381797342
VLR had Alice and Clover be relatively useless, but ZTD had Mira, Eric, Sigma, Phi, and Sean all be useless. Sigma and Phi were both there to put a stop to something that they barely even brought up or attempted to stop. VLR also added a lot of new music while reusing some of 999's, whereas ZTD reused VLR's music very heavily for puzzle rooms. VLR had bad animations, but ZTD's were far worse. VLR also had internal narration, something that ZTD completely skipped over because of the format.

>>381797175
What the fuck. ZTD was terrible in: narrative, character development, puzzles, atmosphere, continuity from VLR, and plot twists.

>>381797175
No, VLR was actually good but had an annoying cliffhanger.

ZTD is a worse game in almost every way.

>>381796648
I agree with almost everything you just said, I just think you're blowing them all out of proportion, as most of them could have been applied to the previous games as well

There are plenty of times in both 999 and VLR where characters act in nonsensical ways, useless characters that have no sense being there except to act as a catalyst, reused music, bad animations (or none at all). No narration is a sore point that I agree with, but it didn't kill the game

I mean, if you have standards, then you have double standards because the first two game aren't works of art either. You're just being extremely critical of ZTD because you had these enormous expectations and of course it didn't meet them

The games are these low budget Japanese VNs and you're holding them to the standards of a hollywood blockbuster, and they had to work within the constraints of making a story that's accessible to someone who's never played the previous games (just as VLR was made, I might add). Considering that, it's amazing they made something that felt part of same universe at all, let alone was mostly cohesive with what had happened so far

I could pick apart every single game ever made with these same complaints and it's not difficult. What's difficult is finding something to like about things when you're smart enough to realize that everything has shortcomings

>>381797721
999 and VLR absolutely have shortcomings but they're not steaming piles of shit like ZTD is. They were at least coherent and made with an effort. They had good stories, music, etc. ZTD lost almost everything that made them good and has next to no redeeming factors, which is honestly impressive, and I say this as someone who actually enjoyed Ever17 despite its numerous flaws. I can't look past the total nonsense that is ZTD's plot and in fact general existence. It's awful, and I'm not wrong for calling out as being awful while the previous two games were not awful.

Why the fuck is there this defense of going "Oh well if you thought ZTD was bad you have to think the same about VLR"

>>381798459
well to be fair VLR does have issues, like the main twist at the end relying on some completely illogical things and two of the characters kind of just being there, it's not like it's without flaws

but it is still really good compared to ZTD

>>381797568
>narrative
It was just a diferentes format
Reading internal monologues was neat and imagine the scenarios as you would like is a plus. But I would call it a bad narrative because it was all animated.
>character development
What do you mean by this. In VLR and ZTD it's exactly the god damn same. What example are you thinking off
>puzzles,
I find them same-ish
>atmosphere
How so? If any thing, of the 3 games ZTL had the least atmosphere
>continuity from VLR and plot twists
Yes the asspulls were horrible

>>381798459
They're probably referring to the twists, and I agree that the twists on both games is so unbelievably fucking stupid.

>>381797712
Not really

>>381799042
not an argument

>>381798839
>diferentes

Spic retard detected.

>>381799130
Saying:
No VLR is better ZTD is bad
Is the most "Not an argument" you can give

>>381799743
I don't care, I'm not him and I've already presented multiple reasons why ZTD is far worse than VLR but you seem intent on not backing up what you're saying at all

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>>381799670
I am learning Spanish and I have my phone on both laguages.
Sue me or 1v1 me bro.

>>381799827
>I don't care, I'm not him
Why do you even bother to reply then. I just literally wrote not really and your argument is not an argument.
Also another anons are giving you fair counterpoints go discuss with them

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>>381800229
Because people who defend ZTD are perhaps some of the most incorrect people on the entire planet, people who have no grasp of what makes a story good and never comprehended why exactly they liked 999 or VLR in the first place. Even worse, they might not have even played those games, so they have no frame of reference. I want ZTD apologists out of here forever. It's okay to like something, but it's not okay to just smooth over its flaws and pretend they're not present.

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What if the game was bad on purpose?

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>>381800473
>Because people who defend ZTD are perhaps some of the most incorrect people on the entire planet, people who have no grasp of what makes a story good and never comprehended why exactly they liked 999 or VLR in the first place.
Thanks for throwing any sort of credibility you wish you had off the window then.
You are basically saying anyone that likes something that I don't are wrong because I have the objective form of judging Visual Novels. Also as a bonus I am going to make assumptions of people so in my mind they are super duper wrong.
You just typed autism

I saw this theory on how the terrorist was a lie (from fanatic bio r being an anagram for fabrication) that delta made him up to trick you, because his real plan was to get the player to fuck off from the story so the characters can have their own agency and be free from your input in making decisions (like how you couldn't choose whether carlos shot delta or not in the end)
What do you think of this?

>>381802739
Delta could have achieved this by not doing anything. Don't give the player any reason to be interested. By having a terrorist the player is more interested in the story than without one.

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>>381789973
Okay, you fags keep whining about how horrible the game is. Explain why it's awful to a person who's only played 999 and VLR.

>>381804761
Pirate it and play it.
Don't listen to nerds, it's fun.

>>381804761
VLR epilogue is not canon.

A year later and I still can't believe how shit the animations were, nor how people kept saying that the animations were placeholders in a goddamn trailer.

>>381805747
im done plyanig the akshun figur

>>381804761
Puzzles are worse, a lot of things are brought up but not really explained, and the ending isn't a good resolution. The new characters also aren't very good, except for Carlos.

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>>381805450
>>381805526
I play these games mostly for story, so if it's complete ass I don't want to waste my time.
For reference I really disliked the VLR ending and it made me like the game a lot less.

>>381806243
Dumb frogposter

>>381806243
It's short. Play it. Don't be a pussy.
Soundtrack is great and it has its moments.

>>381806243
You know how VLR was training to take down a terrorist whose motivations are explained before he kills six million people?
ZTD is training to take down a terrorist who is completely unexplained before he can kill 8 million people. That's the real ending.

>>381806419
What is MIND HACC ?

>>381806419
Billion anon

>>381806636
Mind reading and ~2 seconds of mind control

Who's worse character, Mira or Eric?

>>381789973
I only played 999, should I play the other 2?

>>381808590
No. 40+ hours of plot that was made retroactively useless by the lack of payoff