Is WH40K supposed to be a criticism of religion? Space Marines

>>381780192
No, it is a setting to sell expensive miniatures, not a philosophical critique. Space Marines being obsessed with destroying witchcraft and blasphemy is excusable in a dark and horrific world where witches and daemons are actually real and seeking your eternal soul.
Is there a specific game you were hoping to talk about here?

It's a post-modern critique of far right ideologies.

>>381780192
No, it's a setting where a bunch of nerds in the 80's mixed their grimdark/medieval OC fantasy game with every single popular/cool sci-fi concept at the time, then let it evolve over ~40 odd years.

>>381780192
It's a universe to sell expensive miniatures. That's it. If you're looking for some deep anti-religion themes you've come the wrong place.

>The god they pray to, the Emperor, regularly answers prayers
>The Emperor dedicates his existence to holding back the forces of Chaos and keeping the astronomicon lit while his physical shell rots on a golden throne.

Doesn't seem very anti-religion to me.

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Please do not look for philosophical meaning in a series that started off like this.

>>381780192
>Criticism of religion
>The religious fanatics are the last line of defense humanity has
>Witches are real and summon demons
>Demons actually exist and want to eat your should
>Blasphemy is just a door for demons to start shit

>>381780192
>Space Marines are obviously inspired by religious fanatics f
Nope

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>>381780192

>>381780192
>dark ages
Will you historical illiterate retards stop using this in the wrong context.

Dark ages was pre-crusades and was called that because there weren't many written texts to go back to right after the fall of the roman empire. Churches in this time period didn't have that much power and didn't have many of the modern doctrines.

In the 11th century you get the crusades and increase in wealth plus more power to the church.

The witch burning was more in the renaissance than in the the middle ages you are thinking of.

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/The_Last_Church

>>381780192
It USED to be a parody of fascism but these days it's completely unironic.

basically >>381781257.
It's outright stated that if the Imperium wasn't a giant authoritarian monster then humanity would have been exterminated/enslaved.

>>381781119
The god they pray to has no choice in the matter and was a committed atheist in life, the only reason his corpse adorns a throne and projects the Astronomicon is because his followers strapped him onto it while he was dying and forcefeed him the souls of thousands a day, to the point that it's more like shining a light through a prism than it is any conscious or deliberate action on his part

There's no real proof that faith in the Emperor is rewarded directly by him or if it's just some Warp fuckery that happens to tap into the part of the Warp where the Emperor's power is projected

Of all the other gods you've got two bickering football hooligans, four manifestations of mortal desires run rampant and a mostly dead pantheon of Ancient Greek style assholes

>>381782432
>There's no real proof that faith in the Emperor is rewarded directly by him or if it's just some Warp fuckery
You haven't read the New Lore™ I take it?

>>381782831
I've got no time for Rowboat Girlyman and his Super Space Marines

>>381780192
No, you need to stop looking at everything with your /pol/ nightmare goggles, you obtuse shit.

>>381781240
It's a prank, bro.

>>381782432
>mostly dead pantheon of Ancient Greek style assholes
Which ones are those? Space elves or notProtoss?

>>381782432
what about the C'tan? ;_;

>>381783117
It was all originally a prank/parody/pastiche of sci-fi troupes cranked up to 11 and edgy and then people wanted to take it seriously, which is all well and good, but you can't really ever get rid of how it started.

>>381783140
>notProtoss
Don't say another Goddamn word. Up until now, I've been polite. If you say anything else - word one - I will kill myself. And when my tainted spirit finds its destination, I will topple the master of that dark place. From my black throne, I will lash together a machine of bone and blood, and fueled by my hatred for you this fear engine will bore a hole between this world and that one. When it begins, you will hear the sound of children screaming - as though from a great distance. A smoking orb of nothing will grow above your bed, and from it will emerge a thousand starving crows. As I slip through the widening maw in my new form, you will catch only a glimpse of my radiance before you are incinerated. Then as tears of bubbling pitch stream down my face, my dark work will begin. I will open one of my six mouths, and I will sing the song that ends the Earth.

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>>381780192

It was originally criticism pointed towards the orwellian british society back when the game was first conceived. And it was not a unique form of criticism, W40K loans ideas heavily from 2000AD comics like Judge Dredd and most notably Nemesis The Warlock.

>>381783180
Hungry, Hungry Hippos that got turned into Pokemon

>>381783240
This.
You can only take bits of ot seriously in a vacuum. All semblance of a reeled in, somewhat serious Dark Heresy plot falls apart the minute a giant, green, cockney hooligan shows up.

>>381782019
>Will you historical illiterate retards stop using this in the wrong context.
He didn't use it in the wrong context at all, you just wanted to show off how much you know about the subject, you attention-deprived bitch.

>there will never be a video game implementation of the tabletop

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>>381780192
No, it's just a shameless ripoff of 2000AD and some other shit.

>>381783385
Nice pasta, what is that, Penny Arcade?
But answer the question though.
I forget their names.
Eldar and something. The blue ones that Protoss are a ripoff of.

>>381783539
Spotted the vidya fag.
You're a retard, anon. The game is horrible. The setting and the models is where its at, the actual game is beyond garbage.

>>381783567
>shameless
Warhammer fans should be ashamed of themselves, that's for sure.

>>381783539
actually why haven't the fa/tg/uys tried something in Tabletop Simulator by now? GW copyright instakills it?

>>381783630
The Tau, but I don't think they ripped off the Protoss from them. The tau codex was first released in 2002 or so, starcraft came out in 1998.
Bar the color scheme, they're not very similar.

>>381783567
I mean, Terminator, Dune, Starship Troopers, 2000 AD, Elric...

>>381783876
There are several tabletop simulators for free and people do play wargames online (Blood Bowl is the biggest one I think, see FUMBBL). But doing so will lack the miniature side of the hobby and the social gatherings. Also usually fucks 3D terrain rules up.

>>381783450
>W40K loans ideas heavily from 2000AD comics like Judge Dredd

Didn't they also share vehicle designs with one another?

>>381780192
No. Originally it was to be one giant sci-fi satire that took in stuff from a shitload of other settings. Space Marines even used to be space cops without the whole super soldier thing.

Then it changed and introduced a lot of things that were a thing before 4th ED changed it (Illiyan Nastase being a human-eldar hybrid within the Ultramarines, Squats being a playable faction, Chaos Eldar who were too OP, Chaos Genestealer Cults, Ork Genestealer Cults, Orkz looking like Nazis and more).

4th ED was the time when 40K's lore was still pretty good...and then later editions would see a drop in quality (see GK in Codex Daemonhunters and in 5th ED GK Codex...good thing it was fixed later).

40K lost itself.

>>381781240
Why is Obi so based?

>>381784067
And many more.

>>381783720
>the actual game is beyond garbage.
Just like models

>>381783720
>What is Dawn of War
>What is Space Marine
I'm not dropping $100+ for fucking dolls, /tg/.

>>381784869
Dead franchises.

>>381784415
Games Workshop also produced a Judge Dredd skirmish game complete with miniatures way back when - which means using Judge Dredd as a Commissar is 100% okay in GW stores by there own rules.

>>381784614
Rogue Trader was a complete mess, 2nd Edition created the setting, 3rd Edition changed a lot of it and made it darker and more serious, 4th mostly carried the torch on without doing anything and 5th edition onwards was complete spergout time.

>>381784954
He's exactly an adeptus arbites.

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>>381780192
>>381783450
the setting is a uniquely British setting that sets its self apart from American future optimism like star trek and star wars.It uses historic medieval aesthetic to illustrate that things are not any better indeed worse in the future.
This dark mocking future is a common troup in British sci fi like judge Dredd, sadly Doctor who has forgotten this for its new tumblr audience

>>381784954
Sounds like it would be hard as shit to get the miniature, though.

>>381780192
It's proof that strength, masculinity and survival of the fittest are key essentials to human life, rather than the nu-male pokemon gender feminist diversity bullshit of today.

>>381783921
Wasn't Bliz originally contracted to make Games Workshop video games?
Isn't that the reason why Warcraft and Starcraft exist and take so much from their counterparts?
It would make sense that GW showed them art of their new race to add them into the Starcraft prototype.

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I smell heresy in this thread.

>>381785212
They were, but their negotiations didn't come through, so blizzard decided to do their own fantasy thing and then their own space thing. As far as I know, those deals happened way before starcraft was even conceived, so it's very doubtful.
The tau vehicles take a lot of cues from the phantom menace and from >>>/m/ animus. The protoss are more like predators but with bling.

who /necrons/ here?

>>381785212
>Wasn't Bliz originally contracted to make Games Workshop video games?
That's just a fairy tale

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>I see that the Ultramarines are human, after all.
>More than you know, Lieutenant.

What did they mean by this?

Is this an accurate representation of a Space Marine?

>>381780192
It's supposed to be all the nerd stuff of the 80s turned up to 11.
That's it.

>>381785707
Not at all.

>>381785204
>are key essentials to human life
Not in 40k

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>>381781062
Right.

>>381785707
>main characters don't wear their helmets, even in the middle of a fucking WAAGH
>just shooting the shit with IG
>>381785797
The game makes Ultras out to be the Superman of the Space Marines, like the most boyscout they can get.

>>381786176
You're infinitely more likely to survive without a helmet. Plot armor stronk. Plus, Titus ends up with an Iron Halo, so it's not that big of a deal.

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>>381785690
finally
soi soi

>>381785146
They crop up on Ebay every so often.

>>381780192
It's neither criticism nor social commentary or any other bullshit, they though something was cool and they rolled with it, now fuck off.

>>381785707
The Space Marines are living weapons whose certains emotions are imposed (rage to the enemies of the Emperor and brotherhood) or nulled (fear and libido) on them to make them more dangerous in battle. They are not longer humans and sometimes it is a cause of bad blood between them and the Imperial Guard or becoming corrupted by Chaos.

>>381780192
I don't know how to feel about 40k. I've read some books but ultimately the only conclusion I've come to is that everyone aside from the Imperial Guards are faggots of varying degrees and that in the one book I properly remember Stanhope and Carson are the shit.

Not 40k related but is any one else upset they killed off Tomb Kings in AoS?

>>381786512
I'm upset with AoS in it's entirety.

>>381786264
Doesn't he get it in the last third of the game?
Also I hate how Titus looks. Dude has a tiny head and a full head of hair and the younger marine he's with is even worse.

I thought these guys were genetically engineered super Frankensteins with like three hearts and shit. They shouldn't be pretty.

>>381786614
Why does such a thing exist?

>>381785797
>>381786176
Ultramarines are much more humanitarian than most Chapters - remember that Guilliman was a statesman first and a fighter second, and always prioritised getting a conquered world's infrastructure up and running before moving on to the next battle. He drilled this attitude into his men, and it's stayed for the last 10,000 years.

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Fanatics are awesome in a universe where godlike entities actually exist that empower them.
whether your a paladin in some fantasy world or a space marine.
as an atheist i tend to gravitate towards playing Paladins and the like because fuck yeah

>>381786702
>Doesn't he get it in the last third of the game?

fluff wise all captains are equipped with a small talisman that protects their head with a force field, I would assume the veteran Sergent also had one based on his merits, as far as the recruit was concerned they showed his helmeted being greatly damaged.

>>381786726
Because they needed to relaunch fantasy but they did it in the worse way.

>>381785939
what the fuck am I looking at
what the fuck is that gun design

>>381786702
He does, but in reality I'm pretty sure all Captains would have some form of forcefield. You don't get to Captain without being some kind of monster that doesn't need a helmet.

>>381786702
Never heard about the Blood Angels and the pre-Heresy Emperor's Children?

>>381787175
Were they incredibly handsome or something?
All of my 40k knowledge is from second hand conversations, wiki articles and /tg/.

>>381785707
Is any of the DLC for this not for the dead multiplayer

Any more zany plot developments since the indominitus crusade and nuMarines?

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40K is the Western version of Gundam

It exists to sell models and toys to people with lots of money.

>>381787435
All but one, Exterminatus (coop horde mode)

>>381780192
I'm pretty sure Warhammer 40k takes after a lot of franchises, like Judge Dredd and Nemesis the Warlock originally and now from whatever sci-fi shit is popular.

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>>381783385
>Bone and blood
that's not gold and brass anon

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>>381780192
>mfw when americans talk about 40k

>>381787492
>It exists to sell models and toys to people with lots of money.

I disagree, Gundam actually has some decent management behind it and doesn't rape its customers over prices.
You can get pretty good models even for your kids at a reasonable price and the money scales with the details.
Wh40k is just full on customer abuse.

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>>381787395
They are space vampires who like doing art in their spare time and one of the few chapters who cares of the common man.

Fairly sure >>>/tg/ has the answers you're looking for

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>>381786794
Sisters aren't only servants to the emperor, but also a fashion statement.

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>>381786938
W40k Mk1 Terminator.

>>381782372
>It's outright stated that if the Imperium wasn't a giant authoritarian monster then humanity would have been exterminated/enslaved.
Girlyman seems to disagree.

>>381788231
>notice where the pic is not showing the full weapon
Kek.

"unofficial" chapter rankings

Deathwatch > Custodes > Greyknights

>>381788369
He didn't disagree when emps was in charge and he's not doing anything to change that right now either.

Actually he became the emperor-regent.

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>>381788116
Ye sbutt videa gamez
also leandros did nothin rong

>>381788456
What about the legion of the damned?

>>381788506
>He didn't disagree when emps was in charge
You mean the Emperor who was strictly anti-religious? Yeah.
>he's not doing anything to change that right now
Not a good time to start a civil war, yeah.

Thousand Sons is the best chapter.

>>381788369
Girlyman is being funded by an actual Heretek so I don't think he would've been able to be the emperor that Big E is/was.

>>381786938
You're looking at a mk1 terminator power armor that carries 2 shield generators on it's shoulders.

They forgot that the suit should be able to fucking move and was quickly replaced.

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>mankind gets primarch back
>galaxy gets bisected by massive warp storm

>>381788531
How in the ever loving fuck did he manage to get a Black Templar escort?

>>381788006
>meanwhile 40k is now in hands of people with totally american view on franchise

>>381788605

Above GK, below the others.

>>381788734
>You mean the Emperor who was strictly anti-religious? Yeah.
The emps is strictly anti-religious because he knows there are no gods outside the chaos gods.
>Not a good time to start a civil war, yeah.
So when was ever a good time? Because otherwise we agree that the imperium couldn't survive without an iron,merciless rule.

>>381788007
True, you can get Gundam models ranging from the 1/144 $15 for almost every mobile suit, to the 1/100 $50 models, all the way to the 1/60 $100 stuff.

>>381789153
A good thing would be actually having a competent ruler after Emps bit it, somebody who could've prevented the excesses of the Administratum.
>he knows there are no gods outside the chaos gods
I mean sure, he died before Necrons got a codex.

>>381789153
>Because otherwise we agree that the imperium couldn't survive without an iron,merciless rule.
But it survived with Guilliman democracy and tolerance

>>381789153

The chaos "gods" aren't actual gods. They just are fucking powerful deamons.

>>381788845
>Hey Sergeant I think Captain Titus is a corrupted psyker please can-
>FUCKING WITCHES WHERE LET'S GO RIGHT NOW

>>381788007
Tell that to P Bandai

>>381789450

What defines an actual god then?

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Remember Cadia

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Post yfw Cawl betrays Gorillaman.

>>381785939
Damn, the original models had a really nice look to them.

>>381783630
How are Tau and Protoss similar in anyway, aside from both being aliens?

For one, Tau have pretty much no psychic powers, aside from very rare Ethereals.

>>381790374

They are blue.

>>381788745
Legion.

Also Magnus had a hard life.

>>381788745
Raven Guards best loyalists.

>>381789787
It will get better. Thing is how many Cadian regiments are still out there?

>>381789809
Nah. He's too cool of a old guy to do this.

>>381790439
Nope. Gray-ish with blue thrown in. Protoss aren't blue by default.

>>381786416
Except the Salamanders are officially bro-tier and regularly spend time around normal humans with no problems

Childhood is siding with Chaos
Puberty is siding with the Imperium
Adulthood is siding with the Eldar

>>381788531
Proper Codex Asteres protocol would be reporting him to a Chaplain, not an external entity.

>>381791064
Ascending is embracing the ork life

>>381791064
Ehhh, the Eldar are quite a big fuck ups.

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>>381780192
Post YFW they pull a "primaris marines revived your chapter and the values you held" on the Lamenters.

>>381791173
>>381791064
>xenos
>ever
Please kill yourself

>>381791097
Hope they put him on latrine duty for the next hundred years.

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>>381780192
Of course. Everything is about politics. Everything is trying to say something to you. Everything is super serious.

>>381791064
Adulthood is realizing 'siding' with one variety of plastic spaceman in a fictional setting is stupid and appreciating each faction for what they are.

>>381791220
I can't wait for Cawl made Primaris Word Bearers

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>>381791267
papa smurf will probably be pretty mad when someone will tell him that a newfag reported the captain of the second company to the inquisition.

>>381791395
See, the problem is that you take the obviously ridiculous statement seriously somehow, as if you have some issues about proving your maturity or something.

40k is all about excess. This is why literally everyone can find something they enjoy in the setting. Facism is ultra facism, comedy is there and it's ultra comedy when it happens. Drama is ultra drama, etc etc. It's honestly one of the best sci fi settings out there.

Fuck Relic btw.

>>381788006
>silly americans think they can comprehend the wholly alien mindset of the englishman

>>381780192
probably just an aesthetic choice for the sake of "cool" more than anything else

>>381788093
>one of the few chapters who cares of the common man.
I would care about them too if I needed their blood to survive.

>>381790604
>Cawl
>cool
Nigga is stockpiling traitor geneseed and creating warp powered abominable Intelligence.

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>>381781240
>REEEEEEE
>NNNRRAAARRRGH GRRRRAGHH FFFUCK FUCKFUCK FUCK

>>381792067
That's actually some really good art.

>>381792031
It's okay today.

>>381792067
>KILL
>HATE

Who knew the Angry Marines were so canon?

>>381791531

Papa Smurf is no longer in command.

>>381792304
Your standard spess marine is tame compared to an Angry Marine

>>381791767
Fuck that. I would love to have the old Relic games instead of this newer bullshit.

>>381792514
Then Guilliman will be pissed that a newfag sent to the =]I[= one of the few 40K marines who interpreted the Codex the way he originally wanted.

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>Primarch lol wats that

>>381792189
The Rogue Trader rulebook had like 20 different people doing the artwork. The quality zig-zagged from "actually pretty good" to "what am I looking at"

>>381792514
he commands ultramar now while Papa Papa Smurf is unfucking the imperium
also the fact that the imperium has survived being split in fucking half is complete bullshit since the whole thing has supposedly been decaying for 10k years and seperatist movements pop up every 3 weeks or so

>>381792898
You kidding? If anything it makes sense because with it being split in half, it means that you are in control of half of what you were before while hoping to god the guys on the other half got things covered. But it makes you focus on your half first before the rest of it.

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>When yous in da middle of da WAAAAAGH but den yous remembas dat embarrasin fing dat 'appened fifteen years ago

>>381792898

Maybe the Imperium will finally do what it was suppose to do millenia ago, retreat and regroup.

Also, Leman Russ when?

>>381782432
I like to think this was emps master plan all along. I mean all he does is chill on his throne while while his genocidal zealot followers massacre a galaxy worth of souls in his name. Even Khorn must be jelous

>>381793509
>that beakie who just wants to hug orkbro

>>381793509
BEAKIES

>>381793662
Fuck beakies

>>381793758
FUCK YOU

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>zog off umie
>okay

>>381793559
Either the next Primarch release after Mortarian, or after The Lion (the other expected release to follow Morty) and another Traitor Primarch.

>>381793662
>Blood Beakies? Oh sod off!

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>>381780192
>Is WH40K supposed to be a criticism of religion?

Not really, it's not really a criticism of anything. Some people accuse the imperium of being fascistic but it's more of a tribalistic theocratic oligarchy since the emperor was put on the golden throne.

Different worlds can live however they want as long as they don't worship chaos, so there are ancap worlds, communist worlds primitivist world's, fortress worlds , etc.

40k doesn't really support any idealogy. Also Lorgar did nothing wrong.

8th edition recently dropped didn't it?
Any interesting new stuff from that? Does the Golden Throne get even more fucked like it was hinted at being?

>>381793943

Fuck that retarded furry. Rogal Dorn and/or Sanguinius when?

>>381793989
>Also Lorgar did nothing wrong
besides fucking the entire galaxy the hardest since the goddamn Old Ones created the chaos gods? Besides being wholly responsible for the current dark age the entire galaxy is plunged in?
yeah sure, besides that, he did nothing wrong.

>>381794062
Theres a [REDACTED] over a paragraph ending in "The Master of Mankind dead", though thats probably covering "Those who would see".

>>381780192
>religious fanatics from the dark ages

You mean the fanatics who kept civilization going after germanic niggers sacked rome, and the fanatics who cultivated and kept ancient knowledge until Europe rebuilt itself to the point it could even begin to use and understand it.

But they burned "witches" and killed people for blasphemy so none of that matters lmao

>>381794201
Sanguinius is ded forever

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>>381794062
Oh just Space Marines mkII, no big.

>>381792849
This old art looks far more interesting and compelling than what's around now, like AD&D's stuff.

>>381794515
Is that me, or current Space marines armor design starts moving closer to Halo, than to grotesque warrior monks and other shit?

>>381794413

SHUT UP! The Emperor will come back and he will personally bring our fabulous angel back! You just wait and see!

>>381794515
Mark X Tacticus Armour and MkII Cawl Pattern Bolt Rifles.

>>381794282
Blame Kor Phaeron and Erebus , then of course blame Emps himself for being too much of a sperg to actually give his proto god like sons a lesson every now and then.

Lorgar only wanted the truth and was punished by the Emperor for it.Lorgar did noting wrong, and Athiesm a shit. The Emperor is a hypocrite. There is no way to have a phsyicalist interpretation of reality in 40k and not be a moron.

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>Scotti
>the
>Enginseer

I can't wait for 3d modeling to put this greedy fucking company on the ropes for the last time

>>381794287
>dark ages
>witch burnings
kill yourself you fucking nigger

>>381794945

>You wouldn't download a primarch, would you?

>>381794201
After Russ and The Lion. Im certain traitors will get 4 God Alligned Primarchs + Lorgar, so it stands to reason Loyalists will have 5. Russ is doubtless returning because Space Wolves are top sellers and he has the rivalry with Magnus to milk, DA similarly sell well and Cypher came back for Gathering Storm. Sanguinius could return as reports say when the HH books reach the end battle some things will be retconned and as above BA sell well, I expect he'll be the last Loyalist released. For Dorn either him, Corax or Vulkan could return. Though they could have 6 and bring in Peturbo, in which case Dorn is a shoe in.

>>381794201
literally both deader than dead
Russ can come back, Vulkan can come back, Ferrus Manus has the tiniest sliver of hope he can come back but probably dead as fuck, Khan can come back, Lion can come back as soon as he stops being a lazy nigger, and Corax can come back
everyone else is either ded as fuck or a traitor as fuck

>>381795007
read the op fedora nigger, and people been burning witches before Christianity was even a thing.

>>381794945
3d printers are years away from becoming easily affordable for most hobbyists. Even the best ones available right now are still muddy details compared to just making a simple mold and resin copy. Besides, GW got a new CEO and they are actually restructuring prices and LISTENING to fans for the first time in years.

Is Space Hulk Deathwing worth buying? Is there at least some enemy variety?

>>381794515
Primaris Marines really do look so much better, but it's been so long that like what the fuck.

>>381794729
It's the same armour with better proportions and different helmet, and the helmet faceplate still looks pretty medieval.

>>381795272
looks pretty, isnt worth it

>>381795143
>obssesed with rooting out witchcraft =/= burning people they thought were witches
How about you go suck a big fat nigger dick since you keep bring it up, faggot?

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>>381794604
You could tell that GW was starting to get lazy when 5th ed came round and the artwork of the Emperor was literally just the 3rd ed image with a shitty colouring job and a skull photoshopped on top.

>>381795107
How is Rogal Dorn more dead than Ferrus Manus?

Ferrus was explicitly decapitated by another Primarch in front of countless witnesses, while Rogal has like 3 canon deaths, none especially climactic. In one of them, they just find his fist.

>>381795469
>It's the same armour
That's what I've talked, 6th ed. SM and Guilmarines of 8th, both of them looks more like generic sci-fi muhreens.
>still looks pretty medieval.
Only if you are american and calls medieval any unknown aesthetic

>>381780192
These "fanatics" are the only thing still keeping the Imperium and Mankind somewhat intact.

>>381795469
> with better proportions
Nope

>>381795964
Thats because that pic has yet to be topped for a Golden Throne image.

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>>381780192
>tfw you set up a row of autocannon heavy weapons teams in DoW1 that completely annihilate anything that's in line of sight in seconds
man I probably shouldn't be playing through the old dawn of war games, it only amplifies the pain from DoW3 being shit

>>381780192
The whole cosmos is fighting each other
1 man saved humanity and rallied them against the enemy and he gets revered as the savior

Everything else is just foreplay

It's not a direct jab at religion it's literally just making up a religious cult and putting it into a puritanical mindset to reinforce the fact that armies cannot help each other.

>>381796168
Fulgrim kept trying to clone Ferrus and turn him traitor in the HH, but each stayed loyal and Fulgrim killed them. Its a slim possiblity that one could escape.

>>381783528
Not him but the point is that we don't know a ton about the dark ages like we do in the periods before and after. Islam was certainly blooming during the dark ages, but catholicism wasn't, which is why it's silly to compare space marines' fanaticism to dark age anything, unless you were implying the space marines are on jihad

>>381796168
Well Fulgrim has literally been cloning Ferrus non-stop since becoming a daemon prince, clones with all their memories intact, just so he could try to turn Ferrus to chaos, each clone got pissed and had to be beat to death by Fulgrim, but theoretically a Ferrus clone could get free or rescued by Roboute

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>real life religion and authoritarian politics
>"ehh, whatever, dude..."
>fantasy fascism and authoritarianism
>"LONG LIVE THE BROTHERHOOD! BLOOD OF THE ANCESTORS! GOD MADE THIS DAY FOR US TO PURGE THE UNCLEAN!"

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>Have you ever been shot in the face so hard you turned into a howler monkey

>>381796620
dang that's a cool sword

>>381794729
Intentional in setting. They were envisioned by Guilliman, who is more Roman-tactical than Gothic.

>>381796620
probably because
A: Being a loyalist means getting to RIP AND TEAR daemons and aliens like the motherfucking DOOMguy
B: Being a loyalist means being fuckhueg and getting pimp-ass armor
C: Being a loyalist is objectively the good guys because you're the last hope humanity has against alien locusts, the actual forces of hell, and all sorts of evil shit just waiting to rape humans and our dogs with their thorny alien cocks
basically there is no reason NOT to be a loyalist

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>>381783567
It's like warhammer has never gotten influence from things before.

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>>381780192
>dark ages
>obsessed with destroying witchcraft, blasphemy, etc.

>>381796918
Being a loyalist means living on a hive world or being drafted into the guard and then getting murked within minutes of combat or an xenos invasion.

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>we da orgs
>wuuuuurgh

>>381796874
I didn't see any roman in them, more like bigger stormtroopers.

>>381797219
okay this one is not very good

>>381797262
Gorillamong himself wear laurels. Ultramarines are pretty Roman all things considered in their superfluous designs.

>>381797204
that's only if you're a weak nigga
if you're a hardcore badass you become a living engine of war, possibly even a chapter master or one of the various sub-engines of war that serve the chapter masters as those who rip and tear things too small for the Chapter Master to be worried about while he RIP AND TEARs hive tyrants and necron monoliths

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I miss when Eldar were into Glam Metal

>>381796918
>Objective good guys
>40k

"Less shit than the alternative" is not equal to "Not Shit". Its all just a justification for your cool dudes fighting your friends cool dudes anyway.

>>381797380
Or you most likely die during the initiation because surgery is hard and something like 9/10 candidates who make it even that far reject the extra organs and die. Genetics are a bitch.

>>381797439
Nigga they still are. Their current designs are still all about that, not to mention the Harlequins.

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>>381797538
You call this shit Glam Metal?

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>what kind of of golden throne u want most beneficent 1
>just fuck my shit up
>i got u

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>>381797405
>on my way to fuck your heresy

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>>381797204
Being a loyalist means being anything your imagination desires so long as it's not heretical.

You could be a loyalist living on a modern world exactly like Earth and shitposting on a vox-board dedicated to talking mad shit about the Emperor.

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>>381791260
gue'la pls
for the greater good
pls

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Remember when 40k art wasn't deviantart-tier? Why is GW so insistent on hiring shit artists these days?

>>381797262
>more like bigger stormtroopers
If you want to see stormtroopers, look here: >>381797405

>>381791531
someone did cato sicarius what

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>>381797754
Being a Necron Phaeron is where it's at. You get to lead your tomb world and troops around the galaxy not dying and doing whatever you want while everyone else gets pissy about flesh and stuff and we just go back to sleep if shit's too wack.

>>381797718
I really like it, very Giger. Some of those older artworks stink but they really do have a pretty unique style.

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>>381797906
>these days

>>381780653
>post-modern
This game is older than you are

>>381798116
man I'd be mad too if I had to wear pajama pants on duty

any space marine chapters use keyblades? asking for a friend.

>>381797754
At most 1% of Imperial Worlds are decent places to live for the average citizen, and most of those are in the Ultramar system, which is currently a warzone. Everwhere else ranges from constant labour to the environment actively trying to kill you.

And shit-talkihg Big E will get the Inquisition on your ass in no time.

>>381798116
Even the early art that wasn't technically impressive has more character than the bland shit nowadays like >>381797872

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>>381798076
>very Giger
You are like a little baby
Watch this

>>381796918
>getting pimp-ass armor
more like pimped-ass cardboard and a flashlight.

>>381798296
Very good, very good. I like this a lot.

>>381797906
Cost. Sub par artists are always cheaper. Plus everything has to be model accurate now, seriously stifling creativity.

>>381798296
Fuck I love the Cult Mechanicus

>>381797906
It has never been devian tart tier, let's not get melodramatic here.

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And then some bright spark decided that what the Rogue Trader book REALLY needed was a second picture of the Emperor and ohhhh no

>>381798296
Goddamn, that dude with chainsaw on his mouth
How the fuck does he activate it, it will rip his head off

>>381780192
That's cool, OP.

Where do I start if I want to get into Warhammer 40K? The lore and world and all that, not the wargame. I always hear people talking about how cool the Warhammer 40K universe is, and I am interested, but I have no idea where to start. Gimme some pro tips, pls.

>>381798494
Finally putting out plastic kits for them was the best move GW made in a very long time.

>>381798643
http://pre00.deviantart.net/6c8e/th/pre/f/2016/023/f/7/f70e0129c7520e23ea3ce6ec21965a81-d9ozcc9.jpg

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>>381785707
Spess muhreens go through so many surgical, cybernetic, chemical and whatnot alteration that they're not considered human anymore. The inquisition would burn them to the ground if they weren't the Emprah's children. They got 2 hearts, spit acid, their skulls are bulletproof and they can survive in freaking space for a short time, among other bullshit

>>381798730
basically go to 1d4chan or lexicanum and let the warp guide you
after that, go pirate some of the books
and what little porn there is is pretty fucking good

>>381780192
It's more a parody of extremism rather then criticism of religion. The emperor himself was a ultra atheist that wanted to forbid religion and by doing so ultimately created his greatest enemy and own downfall. Sound more like a fedora getting what is coming to him.
If anything it's kinda pro religion because it knows that religion is an important part of society that can't be ignored or outlawed.

>>381798653
Hilarious. That cartoonish blood bag!

>>381798834
That's a terrible picture and you ought to be ashamed

>>381798730
https://mega.nz/#F!pFgm0RKR!J06C1gVYcjzNGsF8YNLsjQ!xMJTxCyD
Read the rulebooks, read the codexes. Possibly in release order if you want to see just how much shit has been retconned over the years.

>>381798878
Now that's a retarded post

>>381798834
>not considered human anymore
that's some grade-a bullshit anon
for the space marines, their DNA remains the same, they just get implanted with a fuckload of hormones and extra organs.
The AdMech on the other hand are about 20 thousand times worse than the space marines, and no one bats an eye at them

>>381798730
Sine this is /v/, I recommend playing the first Dawn of War.

>>381798643
m8 have you seen any of the new Space Wolves art? Literally looks like a Hasbro playset.

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>>381798983
So find me a better one

>>381799059
AdMech are mostly humans with metal bits

>>381798878
Chaos exists just fine without humanity. He knew the Primarchs weren't ready to hear about Chaos because of how disheartening it would be to learn how they really exist and stuff, and that was his downfall. Exact knowledge of Chaos would cause shit to go out of control if it spread among the common people.

>>381795171
>they are actually restructuring prices and LISTENING to fans for the first time in years
>restructuring prices
what the fuck am I reading
No really what the fuck do you mean I don't understand are they making it less than a kidney for a pack of ten marines now

>>381799158
and space marines are mostly humans with some extra squishy bits shoved in

>>381799305
You are oversimplying this so hard that i question your mental state

>>381799171
If he had just let his son continue to worship him instead of getting triggered and blowing up all the nice temple they build for him none of this would have happened

>>381796620
>loyalist
>DA's
anon I think you're mistaken, the dark angels aren't all tha

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Emps ain't ever coming back is he?

>>381797361
>Gorillamong himself wear laurels.
So what? His armor design is nothing like roman thing.
>>381797935
So what? RT was different setting

>>381799565
It would be another AoS if he did, so probably not.

>>381798878
This anon's right, but stating the Emperor was in the wrong will ignite an argument that will soon leave his original point forgotten.

Expanding on him to be more than a piece of background fluff/plot device was a mistake.

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>I couldn't remember if we were going to a renaissance festival or a wild west re-enactment so I dressed for both
>I also brought my lizard along I hope you guys don't mind

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>>381798878
Holy shit. Religiousfags really can twist anything so that is supports their own worldview. That is some skilled, well practiced delusion right there.

>>381798834
>Average Human
>5'9"

>>381799158
>nigga gets two extra arms and legs
>never shown in official art
>never mentioned in game
>can't quad wield bolters

>>381794201
>two best loyalist primarchs are ded
>girlyman gets resurrected and basically runs the imperium now
fugg, at least the khan and vulcan might return.

>>381780192
>Is WH40K supposed to be a criticism of religion?
No

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>>381798858
>>381798992
>>381799086
Thank you for the pro tips, anons.

>>381800006
t. manlet

>>381800129
Don't forget Corvus and Lion too

>>381780192
It's rock and roll nerd-dom from 1980s England.

/v/ 40k threads are better when we discuss lore and don't talk about the games

>>381800210
I'm saying that 5'9" is short, fuckwit

>>381796571
>Dark Ages

No one who actually studies history properly calls them the Dark Ages. It's the Early Medieval Period/Early Middle Ages and it was a lot more literate and enlightened than the popular image of it presents it.

>>381800449
Well almost all 40k games are shit.
>tfw I fell to the Eternal Crusade scam

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>I'm going to put in an actual decent picture while the editor isn't looking
>Tee hee
>Tee hee hee

>>381785146
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Judges-Dredd-Anderson-Citadel-1980s-Judge-Dredd-2000AD-Miniatures-/302352001239?hash=item46659568d7:g:yVkAAOSw-29ZRDJN

Currently cheaper than the modern stuff.

>>381800471
No need to get so aggressive, shorty

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>>381799960
YOU ARE WRONG, THERE IS NO SQUAT LOOKING FELLOW IN THAT IMAGE OF YOURS

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The coolest?

>>381796918
being a loyalist doesn't necessarily mean being a marine. you might just be a grunt who doesn't get to do any of that. even if you are a marine the only things you'll feel any more is "I hate Xenos Heretics and Mutants" and "I love the empire" They're super powered husks of their former selves

Plus the empire is pretty shit. Most citizens live in squalor on a hive, are forced to praise the emperor or die, there's no freedom of expression or speech, and while you won't be raped to death by an alien, you probably will by another human in the dark alley at the bottom of a spire on a hiveworld. Don't worry, your ass will keep the mutie pleasured for weeks to come.

Being a Tau is the best possible outcome in the 40k verse.

>>381792514
>Papa Smurf is no longer in command.
he's the goddamn lord commander of the imperium
he's in charge of fucking everything

>>381800817
I wonder who could be behind this tidewall

>>381798164
what do you think is the origin of post modernism?

>>381800891
Papa Smurf refers to Marneus Calgar, the chapter master of the ultramarines

>>381780192
The Emperor hated religion and tried to drive out religious beliefs from humanity, it's supposed to be ironic that now he's a cripple on a throne he's become worshipped as a god.

>>381800817
While your write about imperial life, the best possiblity is to be an Ork. You absolutely love fighting, and since there is only war life is a blast. Even if you die you get to keep fighting in Ork Valhalla.

>>381798296
>think this is some crazy ass chaos shit
>nope its admech
fuck

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why and how did DOW 3 turn out so fucking shit

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>40k rulebooks and fiction constantly mention Grox for three decades
>The only actual canon description and image of one ever published was way back in Rogue Trader

>>381801223
really?

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>>381799565
Who knows.

>>381798653
this is what berniebros imagined the future would be

>>381801420
well, up until Roboute started walking around again, yeah.
People still call Marneus papa smurf out of habit mostly

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>>381780192
>criticism of religion

DIE CHAOSFAG!

>>381801430
Damn...that is cold as fuck.

>>381801650
interesting. I always taught it referred to girlyman

>>381801064

post modern means after right now. How can a game be from the future, you idiot.

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>aaa aaaaand dat is
>uhh
>dat
>uuhhh
>dat is a flag
>That's right, General. Well done!
>He's doing so well after his treatment
>nuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrr

>>381800129
Girlyman is actually what the imperium needs. He's a super administrator and reformer. He fucking pushes reformer and advancement. In the novel he forbade mechanicus and navy trying to salvage defeated chaos ships and saod build new fucking ships .

>>381802014
>hey let's reuse these daemon-corrupted, flesh encrusted, insanity causing ships!
>How about you dont, you goddamn toaster worshipping retards
>wow what an asshole he wont let us play around in the tentacle infested ballpit

>>381801859
nonono, he's OUR SPRITUAL LIEGE

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Space Marines actually aren't the ones going around spouting "BURN THE HERETIC" though, that's the Inquisition. Some Space Marines do, but not all or even most of them. A lot of Space Marines either personally met the Emperor or have met someone who has, so they know the Emperor didn't tell them to go around burning Aliens and anyone who gets labelled "heretic" by a bunch of crazy people on Terra.

That Space Marines are the ones doing this shit is just a misconception which became habit and stereotype, mainly by people who don't actually read the source material and probably who just played the video games and thus assume Space Marines going around shouting "HERETIC!" constantly.

>>381801430
>rawbutt is retarded
What next, orks are orky?

>>381801974
>>381802154
40k art gave me a fit girl fetish
i wanna be held down and raped by a Sororitas

>>381802201
Well admech loves old tech shit, they'll fucking stick their dicks in tainted toasters if it had manufacturing date of 20k

>>381802363
NIPPLE
NIPPLE
NIPPLE
MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODS

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>>381801430
>Read the Gathering Storm fluff expecting Girlyman to be an insufferable mary sue
>Almost everything from the revival onwards is him getting shit on and hating his fucking life

>>381802381
Sororitas are fat!
Fat!

>>381802201
The hulls are still in great shape. They don't reuse the demonically possessed ones and often they were better than what they had been producing.

I can understand the Rowboat's logic, but I'd at least keep the hulls safe if not properly refitted.

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>wanted to start collecting toys
>figured new starter set would be a good place to begin
>half of the box are too complex for me to even understand how to paint them properly
Why are they doing this? I guess I will wait for next codex

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>>381802502

>>381802352
>Emperor didn't tell them to go around burning Aliens and anyone who gets labelled "heretic"
well he did want every alien dead because 100% of them betrayed the fuck out of humanity the second the AoS started, and he'd probably be a-ok with burning chaos worshippers

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>>381802502

>>381802352
>A lot of Space Marines either personally met the Emperor or have met someone who has

Nope. Practically no one actually sees the Emperor. There's one or two marines who have actually seen Big E, like bjorn the fell handed.

>>381802489
honestly I like Girlyman now

he's just a guy who wants to make things right but everything is stacked against him

>>381802435
I love the admech, i really do.
But goddamn they do the stupidest shit

>>381802352
Im pretty sure all the posters who seem to unironically hate Xenos and Chaos have never played the tabletop. I've yet to encounter any player who only has interest in one 'side'.

>>381782432
Emps told adorn to put him on the throne. He isn't some battery they strapped onto the throne against his will. And I take it you haven't read the new stories have you? Because it's confirmed that the emperor DOES answer prayers.

Also yeah he was a huge atheist in life who tried desperately to stop people from worshiping him.

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time to go to church everyone

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Early 40k art was really bad tbqh.

>>381802489
>>381802698
honestly all the loyalist primarchs were decent guys who just wanted to do right by people, because every single one of them conquered their homeworld and tried to fix shit. It's just they were all a bit tistic about how they dealt with people and couldnt understand why people ave wants, needs, and feelings of their own.
Except Khan, he's a bit of an asshole.
The traitors had some good guys, but they were also autistic dipshits.

>>381802672
This high marshall guy sounds pretty heretical.
Probably time for a purgin'.

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>>381803058
>i 'az never been so insulted in all me zoggin' life

>>381792031

Yeah but he's already done the impossible and made a new and improved legion of space marines, without fucking it up.

He's pretty much puts Fabius bile to shame and is approaching Emperor levels of maguyver

>>381803024
this has always been one of my favorite pieces of art
goddamn it's so fucking baroque

>>381802556
Nurgle is one of the easiest factions to make look good. Paint armour, flesh, metal and horns one colour each, then apply a couple layers of shade paints, typically Agrax Earthshade.

>>381803058
But most old pictures ITT are bretty good.

>>381803098
Huh? I thought Khan was okay despite being based on Genghis Khan? Also Leman fucked up big time and then fucked off, that's kind of bad of him.

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>>381803269

>>381803213
That pic is exactly what I'm talking about.
Jesus Christ, what where they thinking?

>>381803289
I don't know man. They look too complex

>>381789430
>Guilliman democracy

WTF? Ultramar was never a democracy.

>>381802981
Ita not that Emps isn't an ass, it's just that chaos has 0 likeable attributes to it.

>B-but don't you want to murder fuck whole planets to death and bath in rivers of blood and molten copper?

No, and I also don't want to become an eternal rape toy for Slaaneshi demons or pray to Papa Nurgle to give me every disease imagineable. As for xenos, they do tend to be chaos prone.

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>>381803268
Counterpoint:

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mmm

>>381803534
me on the left