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Jiren seemed cool in the new episode.

post dream teams

Janemba
Launch
Piccolo
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>>381776191
GT/SSj4 Goku
Tien
Janemba
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>>381776191
17
Tien
Zarbon
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>>381776542
>GT

neck yourself
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>>381777323
At least it's not Super.
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>>381777359
Thats a shame actually
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>>381777323
Better than having a shitty SSj recolor
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>>381777359

super is amazing nostalgiafag
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>>381777465
You mean the Goku vs Frieza 3 frame shaky animation fight in episode 95 was amazing, and the DBS manga is pretty good. Other than that, no, Super is ass.
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>>381777465
>amazing
>when they still can't even muster an actual animation budget, as evident here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-f5JI1LFvN8 and have to rely on bringing Freeza back AGAIN
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>>381777584

super is amazing you're just jealous because GT sucked and its not canon

sour grapes nigga
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SSB Goku with Hakai instant kill
Freeza
Beerus
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>>381777693
Honestly Z would have been better if instead of Frieza Cell Buu it was Frieza Frieza and Frieza
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>>381777769
They're not going to give Blueku his own character slot when they can just make him a reskin and swap SSj3 out for Kaioken for his ultimate
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>>381776191

I want a Lunch or Bulma. Not only because of waifu factor, but I want original characters with unique fighting styles.
Make them feel like B.B Hood from DarkStarlkers. Make them fight with guns, bombs and so on. You could even give a transformation to Lunch. The gimmick where she sneezes turning her full rage mode for damage boost.

Don't feel the game with Sayians only too.
For me, Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Brolly and maybe a fusion (gotenks or vegito) It would enough.
They already have fat Buu, so I don't know if normal Buu or Kid Buu would add anything to the roster.

They are going to add Super characters, that is a given. Goku Black is guarantee considering how popular he is. If so, add Zamasu or fused Zamasu. He is different enough.
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>>381778648
Launch over Bulma, imo. I'd rather the guns over the mechs and capsules.

also Kid Buu could add a lot, he and fat buu fight drastically different.
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>>381777323

GT has some cool characters. Baby Vegeta, SS4 transformation and Omega Shenron. Hope to see any of those in the roster.
Even Pan
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>>381778802
Bulma could use guns too.
I wouldn't mind seeing Pilaf's trio being used as one character. A gimmick like the ice climbers from Smash Bros.
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Is the Super manga good? Because the anime itself is kinda ass tbqh
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>>381778814
Wtf at this gif.
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>>381779109

Official content from GT.
A deer sucking Pan's nipple. What's the problem?
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-Zamasu
-Goku Black
-Fusion Zamasu
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>>381779273
Why does Frieza have a bow and skirt?
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>>381779359

Are you being ironical?
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>>381779191
Top kek.
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Piccolo
Kami
Nail
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AND BRINGING WITH IT A BOTTOMLESS TERROR

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XebyKpo6A9s
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The combo potential in this game looks neat. Beta can't come any sooner.
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>>381779784

>terrorist music in my dragon ball z

Time to stop supporting this series
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>>381777693
> DON'T LIKE WHAT I DON'T LIKE AAAAAA
kys
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>>381776191
Janemba
Beerus
17
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>Super trash
Nope.
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>>381780834
Oh, so you have no argument to defend Super's complete lack of budget and general garbage quality in terms of animation and writing beyond saying kys? Thanks for admitting you have shit taste
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>>381782124
Super on average after the U6 saga looks better than Z tho
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>>381777323
To be honest GT might be shit but the corrupted Dragon balls were a good idea, far better that whatever we currently have in super.
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>>381782984
>far better that whatever we currently have in super
>tournament between universes
>worse than shenron turning evil and getting ocdounutsteel design with spikes

lel
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>>381783246
>it's a superfag shits up the thread, thread
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>>381779091
Yes, the manga is good, better than the shitty anime.
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Tapion
SSJ4 Goku or Vegeta
Teen bulma with guns
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>>381783246
We get it, you hate GT
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>>381783246
>tournament between universes
Because you think that what we are currently watching is good?
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Kiero
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>>381782505
Not even remotely
Even Vegetto vs Zamasu is poorly choreographed and animated
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>>381776191
>Launch
>doesn't teleport, but sneezing costs 1 bar
>seduce fighters while in blue hair
>pull out the guns while blonde

GOD DAMMIT I WANT HER
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>>381788934
>doesn't teleport
Not even that bad of a negative. Vanishing is punishable, and you can block it.

What would be bad though if she can't use the homing dash. Unless they give her like a jetpack or rocket jump.
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>>381777359
>>381777452
>>381782984
t. never watched Super
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Vegeta
Kid Buu
Frieza

r8 team
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Majuub
Tien
Bunny Bulma
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Janemba
Cooler
Freeza
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>>381792058
>pic
she probably has a disgusting face
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>>381776191
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wwt_Vh_a3M

Movelist in action my niggers. Also, turns out using the Heavy version of specials cost 1 full bar of meter.
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Frieza on point, gohan for that invulnerable assist, and in my dreams, tien or 16 as anchor but i don't think they're likely. if we get 24 characters then i could see them getting in though.
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Cooler
Vegeto
Cell
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>>381792965
Cellfags take note.
This is what true perfection looks like.
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>>381783246
lazy tournament arc ripped wholesale from a doujin and magic time ring bullshit from nowhere and celestial jesus youtube is somehow better than the wishes from across the whole series having a monkeys paw elements to them?
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>all the new characters in the latest episode will NEVER be in any DBZ game
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>pepe
>tripfag
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>>381792986
She aight
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>>381793915
good like 90% of them sucked
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As long we get more female characters than just 18, then i'm fine
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What is the appeal of Dragonball? Never watched it as a kid, my entire exposure to it is from playing Xenoverse which I didn't like. I'm interested in this game because it's ArcSys, but am not hyped about the Dragonball aspect.
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Real talk dragonball was always shit as a franchise. It thrives off of nostalgia more than anything I've ever seen

This game is gonna be great though

>>381794379
nostalgia cause kids grew up watching it
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>>381794379
It's an epic fighting adventure but isn't edgy tryhard stuff, for the most part it's pretty lighthearted.
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>>381794379
>What is the appeal of Dragonball?
Cool shit.
Simplicity.
Complexity at times?
The games.
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>>381776191
Monster Carrot
General Rildo
Ninja Murasaki
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>>381794247
Such as? That one girl from Bojack's gang? There aren't any female fighters in the series aside from 18. Pan might join if you count GT. The two Saiyan girls could join if you bring in Super but that's so recent they'll have to be DLC.
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So, which form is stronger?
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>>381795182
What about best girl?
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>>381795182
They can put Launch with her guns or bulma with her capsule mech. Chi-Chi was a fighter too at one point.
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Champa
Lavender
Liquer

All 3 of these characters have essentially a 0% chance of getting in.
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>>381795239
I don't know but SSJ4 is way cooler than color swap sayian
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>>381795239
The one that's canon
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>>381794379
It's mostly nostalgia. If you're not already into it then don't bother.
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>>381793583
>Goku has a Rekka, so YamchaFag can kill himself
>Death Saucer (Unblockable), but in the E3 gameplay of Gohan vs Frieza(when we all first saw it) it was blocked by Gohan
>Nova Strike turns Final Form Frieza into 100% Frieza, but Golden Frieza stays the same
>Some moves may have slightly different properties if you press the button again/hold it/ or press a different trigger button. Like Gohan's Dragon Flight.
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>>381776191
Vegeta
Cell
Raditz
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>>381795719
Both are canon though.
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>>381776191
Y'all niggas are acting like there's going to be a lot of characters. It's an ASW game, expect 12-15 characters composed of the following:

>Goku
>Vegeta
>Gohan
>Future Trunks
>Frieza
>Cell
>Majin Buu
>Piccolo
>Android 17
>Android 18
>Captain Ginyu
>Gotenks
>Adult Gohan
>Mr. Satan
>Goku Black

You can then expect updates where you pay $50 for 3 new characters instead of DLC.
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>>381795506
>some of Super's worst designs are anthro characters

hmmmm
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>>381796024
Better than Not!Cleopatra.
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I hope /ourgirl/ is in the game
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>>381793583
what is DR and SD ?
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>>381796005

It's a 3v3 game son. Single characters are not nearly as complex as they are in Guilty Gear.
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>>381796192
>"my shitty fetish character is better than this other shitty character design"

You don't have to tell me you have bottom of the barrel taste, I'm already well aware. Every design from the wolves' universe looked appalling from that single shot of them all together, this series is full of awful designs.
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>>381793915
The other GoD's are going to largely forgotten except maybe Geen and the one who looks like the Joker.
Jiren's the only regular guy I see having a chance at DB games. Hit made it in to XV2 on launch
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>>381796424
I'll give you one chance to convince me that their designs are bad.
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>>381796005
it'll get 20+ characters; it's a 3v3.
Don't expect anything from GT and Super will only have Beerus, SSJB Goku and Vegeta and maybe Hit but don't expect more.
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>>381796226
Dragon Rush and Super Rush. Dragon is the grab of the game and Super is the pursuit button
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>>381795239
Blue power up its lazy
Pink monkey it retarded
No one wins
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>>381796761
GT characters will make it in, at least the SS4 forms
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>>381796761
I think Goku Black, Merged Zamasu, and Vegito Blue are safe bets from Super.
The preview for the Episode with Vegito Blue crashed Crunchyroll. People love him, even if he was a total bait and switch.
The Saiyan girls can fuck right off
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>>381776191
Future Trunks
Future Gohan
Piccolo.

Boring, but that's what I want my team to be.
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>>381796780
I see thank you. Are those specific buttons like R2/L2 or Three Punches/Kicks ?
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>>381796923
The SSJ4 form should of been what a super sayian looked like from the start.
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>>381796924
you'll be disappointed.
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>>381776191

Arale
Kid Goku
Uub
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>>381795816
>goku has a rekka
If you're talking about the rapid spinning kick thing, those are just different strengths, no rekka inputs.
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>>381797048
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>>381796923
>Pink monkey it retarded
The irony.
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>>381797152
I doubt it
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>>381794115
she didnt use to be that fat?
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>>381797459
KEK
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>>381797375
thank you based anon
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>>381797480
You think that's fat?
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>>381796563
Your bias is clear and you cannot rationally argue why their designs are good, you're thinkin' with your willy instead of your brain. They have the same amount of thought they put into background characters, put into their designs. There's no convincing you but I'm not going to waste an opportunity to complain about my problems with the character designs in Super.

Color throughout this design is monotonous and not broken up well enough, they try with the lighter fur beard(? The profile on the right implies it's more of a chest tuft but the 3/4ths drawing makes it look like a beard) and bit on his body, but those end up looking unnatural. All visual interest is up top despite having a fighting style based all around kicks, you'd think they would take advantage of that with the design beyond just his up weirdo legs, but his entire bottom half, sans his gloves, is a single red mass. They could've remedied this with a different tail color, they could've colored his boots black like his gloves/cape or a third color to compliment the neutral black and red (Green, maybe?). There might be a reason for the poor color layout, maybe giving him any more colors would have given animators trouble, they can hardly keep things accurate at the breakneck pace they have to work to produce this shit.

And beyond the like of visual interest, his features aren't nearly as appealing as some of Toriyama's anthropomorphic designs, something he seems to enjoy enough to do it as much has he did with Dragon Ball/other personal works.
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>>381796306
Name an ASW game with a large roster right out of the gate? They don't exist. Not complicated by ASW standards will still mean pointlessly complicated. You'll get your 15 characters and like it. Have fun with the full price 3 character expansion 18 months from now so you can also play as Beerus, Yamcha and Cabba.
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>>381798431
Based Anon saying it like it is.
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>>381795239
My guess is SSB. We've seen that God Kai is stronger than the regular stuff, and that's what SS4 uses.
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>>381798431
For comparison, a wolf from Toriyama's art book "The World". A character with as much ornate detail as this likely wouldn't pass in Super, but overall has a much more solid design, albeit with illustration in mind as opposed to animation. His features are consistent. His colors are broken up very well. His outfit tells you who he his, and what he does. This is a good design.

It's a shame that while a lot of character designs in Super borrow stock Toriyama character features, they don't implement them well.

anyways this isn't video games

>Gotenks
>Krillin
>Arale

is the dream team. Third character could be any number of others since I like a lot of the DB/DBZ characters, but Gotenks and Krillin are gonna be in there if they both get in. Krillin is guaranteed, and Gotenks seems high enough priority when it comes to saiyans/buu saga representation.
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>>381798431
Not that anon you replied to, but keep in mind that the anime and the manga are two different entities. Maybe, just maybe those points of yours will be addressed in the manga. You're definitely right about them, and this is coming from someone who loves Super.
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>>381798970
I dont know man, Frieza doesnt hav bod ki and he was giving SSB a run for its money
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>>381798565
Extreme Butoden has 24 playable characters + one added later, Great Pirate Colloseum has 23.
Both numbers are plenty for a 3vs3 fighter initial roster, Bamco being involved is not a factor that should be ignored.
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>>381796563
I want the Trio to do well, but they will just job sadly
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>All it takes is some flashy animations to cover the shit tier smash combat to get autists exited
Typical casuals
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>>381799759
>smash combat
3/10 b8 try again m8
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>>381796923
Prefer pink monkey to Super Saiyan, period. Ties back to the Oozaru stuff better as well as the Sun Wukong inspiration too. GT was bad in most respects but SSJ4 was a good design.
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>>381798431
They're not new gen Pokemon kid. They don't need to be overly complicated designs to be pleasing. What the fuck do you want, rainbow fur?
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>>381800094
>misses the point
>le "new pokemon all look like shit"
Found the autist.
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so how fucked is goku?
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>>381800204
The point? You basically stretched out "Not enough colors." to 3 paragraphs.
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>>381776191
Bardock
Long haired future trunks
Super 17
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>>381800256
he's not wrong, changing the color of the boots to black would be a good idea
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>>381796005
>Android 17
>Mr Satan
nop
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>>381800094
No, I want competency in my character design. You can do a lot with a few colors if you're smart. Again, it's okay to admit you just want to fuck them, that's clearly all there is to it. That's fine anon.

Also the artist of that picture has a better design sense than whoever came up with the models for the anime characters, his boots are a darker shade than his legs, they've broken the colors up more. If you could squeeze the semen clogging up your brain you'd understand that it's not just more colors, you could use the colors there better to break color up.
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>>381795239
SSG is stronger than fucking Gogeta SS4.
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>>381796761
>20+
No, 20 is safe, 20~25 maybe but more than that is stupid.
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>>381776191

Friendly reminder that the game will have less than 20 characters, the dream IS 20, maybe less, so keep your expectations realistic. The way they do the fighters is more time consuming than a 2D game.

Also, no alt costumes AT ALL (see GG) you just can't replace polygons. Each frame is made by hand.
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>>381800748
I guess, but it's not like bad boot color is such offensively bad design that I'd need to write an essay about it like he did.
Also, he completely ignored Lavender (the one I actually wanted in the game in the first place) and Bergamo.

>>381800936
You're taking a simple design too seriously. You are way too caught up on the "It's related to your fetish so it's bad." shtick.
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>>381779043
Bulma only using guns is a waste imo because she is too tech savvy unlike Launch.
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>>381800936
The same staff is probably making all the universe warrior's designs so don't expect much from them, and Toriyama is already tired of DB, i'm pretty damn sure that he was going to make all the GoD cats like Beerus until Toei said no.
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xenoverse 2 is the patrician choice, this pos is dead on arrival.
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>>381801065
>>381776191

Forgot to add: devs said there won't be any grapplers on the game since they don't fit the kind of fights you see on the series. Their words, not mine.
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>>381777421
I mean I wouldn't want SSJ4 lumped in with fan recolors and uninteresting characters.
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>>381801059
No it's not faggot
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>>381801059
SSB Goku couldn't even beat Android 17.
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>>381779043
>gun/shotgun/rifle attacks
>her bike for rush attack
>capsules throw (Time Machine, Car, fridge,...) for keeping space
>She call Shenron for a devastating super attack
>she turn into a bunny girl for her winpose
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>>381801598
really? source? that's so ridiculous
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>>381801598
I'm sure at least 2 of those people are male
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>>381779854
What is this, a combo for ants?
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>>381801858

It was on an interview, read it on neogaf. You'll have to lurk to find it.

>>381801898

One is a grill (male) one is a lesbian. You'll never guess the later.
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>>381796761
Beerus and SSB, just like Golden Freeza, are Z material. They debuted in BotG and RoF, which are Z movies
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>>381801598
That was in relation to your standard throw that everyone has in other fighting games, which was replaced with the Dragon Rush (which functions as a throw with startup anyway, besides being able to Snap Back people with it). Cell has an unblockable grab already so there will very likely be a grappler.
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>>381802219

No dedicated grappler, it was explicit.
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>>381801137
I'm taking a design in a series attached to one of the most revered and beloved pieces of fiction as seriously as it should be, despite how silly the material may be. A bad design is a bad design no matter how you slice it, and a failure to acknowledge poor design decisions and let things slide results in more garbage like that getting pushed. You're free to come back with "but they don't listen to us/they don't take fan feedback", I'm just making a general statement on complacency with art pertaining to popular media.

Lavender and Bergamo are less egregious than Basil, but are still boring. Bergamo has the most solid design of the three, but doesn't feel like a Dragon Ball universe character, but that's asking for too much when Toriyama isn't handling the bulk of the design work himself.

>>381801485
Yeah, I'm keeping that in mind. I'm expecting more from the staff, but they don't have the same design sense as Toriyama and they've got 5 minutes to make each episode. Most of the god designs aren't offensive, but a few of them are real stinkers (the mouse, the strange lizard/fish thing with the lips, the mouse, the robot). At least Beerus looks good.
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>>381802142
tall ones male, the ugly one is a dyke
>lurk neogaf
no
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To Janembafags alike:
GO TO THE BAMCO SITE IT INCREASES OUR CHANCES BY AT LEAST TENFOLD
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>>381776191
Never played a team fighter, is there 1v1 modes in these?
Also could you do 6 people online in 3v3 or do you have to control everyone?
>Meme team
>Goku black
>Hit
>Beerus
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>>381802358
>but doesn't feel like a Dragon Ball universe character
Have you ever played Dragon Quest?
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>>381802358
>at least Beerus looks good

Because Beerus was actually designed by Toriyama himself. Fuck, he based it on his bloody cat.
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>>381802358
>I'm taking a design in a series attached to one of the most revered and beloved pieces of fiction as seriously as it should be,

Which should be "not seriously at all" you autist
Yes, you managed to nitpick Basil into being the worst of the bunch. That's nice, but I still want Lavender in the game.
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>>381802523
>Dragon Quest
they aren't set in the same universe just because toriyama did design work
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>>381801858

He is fixing up the quote.

They said no throws, not no grapples.

A command grab is not a throw, characters in the demo already have some.>>381802101
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>>381802794
oh alright
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>>381802371

Of course you didn't find the dyke, her powerlvl is hidden; the girl (male) was easy. She is goddarn cute btw.
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>>381802760
That's not the point I'm making.
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>>381802358
The strange lizard/fish thing with the lips actually didn't look so bad in motion in the most recent episode, I thought.
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>>381802960
dyke is the one on the far left then
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>>381797370
What do you mean? Different strengths have different number of kicks?
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>>381779273
jesus, these artist are fast. is this an old image that just happened to be an exact scene from yesterday's episode? or was he just super quick with completing it?
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>>381802960
I'd fuck all of the regardless of whats between their legs
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>>381802523
Is Dragon Quest suddenly Dragon Ball? You gonna ask me if I played Blue Dragon next? If I read Sand Land? Nigga get your head on straight, his trademark design quirks are all over Dragon Quest, but Toriyama's work on Dragon Quest has nothing to do with this argument. I could drone on and on about how much I love his original designs for the monsters in that series, though.

>>381802656
I know. I'm happy that at least one of the god designs look great, after Beerus the others just seem like an afterthought (almost as if they were). I will say I love the woolly guy who looks like a Kuriboh, he's precious.
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>>381801598
Dyke is the big-titted one with the exposed midriff
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>>381802394
where? link!
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>>381802960
Dyke is the middle one, because the prettiest girl is always the unobtainable one.
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>>381794115
How long ago was this taken? She's disgustingly larger now
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>>381802523
>but doesn't feel like a Dragon Ball universe character
Dude, Dragon Ball designs have always been all over the place, no matter how simple or complicated, or do you really think some character like these are somehow more akin to others like Cell or Frieza compared to the wolves?
And even then, they have all the right to not "feel" from the same universe, because in story they are not.
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>>381779273
why does this kinda look like the Mob Psycho guy drew this?
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>>381803684

>>381803053
Once again, not the point I was making. Everything you see in Super was done at least once in the past.
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The game will have 24 characters because it that is the number of slots on the E3 build. This makes sense for a 3v3 game since you'll have 8 teams of 3. Anyone who tells you otherwise is a contrarian moron. The previous DBZ games ASW were involved in had a roster around this size.
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>>381779043

Another anon said this but I would love for the ginyu force to play the same way pokemon trainer played but I guess that would be a bit much with 3 v 3
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YAMCHA MOVELIST:
3 shot Kamehameha that he used against the saibamen.
WFFand its variations:
Blinding WFF
Tiger Jackhammer First
WWBlowingWind
Whirlwind Claw
Spirit Punch
Spirit and Extra Ball
WFF Gale
WolfSliceFist,
Wolf Fang Blast
Puar Summon.
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>>381803984
I'm assuming you were replying to the guy I replied to, because my post is agreeing with yours.
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>>381802691
>furfag calling anyone else an autist
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>>381804221
>YAMCHA MOVELIST:
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>>381802358
Here's who designed the Gods
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>>381804238
I was, bad habit of mine.
But the point stands.
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>>381804410
>arguing about how a character design isn't even worth liking at all because muh red boots
>not an autist
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Hypothetical:

Roster is near finalized, but 1 slot left. It's either Launch using her weapons, or Bulma using a mech suit and capsules. Who do you pick?
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>>381777769
I'm so glad edgy goku and his green butt buddy were just low-IQ filler that got completely erased.
That shit was a mistake.
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/ourguy/ is on his way
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>>381804456
Why the fuck is one universe's god a clown?
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>>381804786
/ourguy/ was confirmed not in the game.
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>>381803926
"Deliciously larger"
FTFY
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>>381804853
With 11 universes, they all can't be winners
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>>381804853
Because Clowns are awesome.
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>>381792058
>>381794115
>>381797480
>>381797865
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>>381804680
Bulma everytime
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>>381805029
why does the best angel have to be stuck with him?
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>>381804627
Shoo, go to a pokemon thread or something and insist Zangoose is an amazing design.

>>381804680
Bulma.

Launch if she has a mechanic like Eyedol in 2013 KI where she has two play styles that switch randomly, with a special dedicated to trying to provoke a stance switch. That shit's interesting. I want that kind of craziness with this roster, everyone beyond the original 6 revealed should have some crazy gimmick to them.
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>>381804680
Launch, how is that even a question?
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>>381777421
>>381777465
>>381789224

Yes, but i saw both recent movies. They were dogshit, and probably Super is more of the same.
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>>381805439
>everyone beyond the original 6 revealed should have some crazy gimmick to them.
>It's a gimmickfag
We'll see in the beta.

(beta won't even have all 6 demo characters, it will have 4 of them, plus trunks, and 4 other characters yet to be revealed.
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>>381805038

I agree with Nigri, and i would tap her ass. Fuck /cgl/ fags.
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I haven't watched anything after battle of gods. I assume Goku Vegeta Beerus is still the only option in terms of power levels.

In terms of abilities and shit. Kid Buu Perfect Cell and Goku. They're so stupid broken with abilities and pull out of my ass shit.
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>>381805038
Her body turns me on regardless
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>>381805038
Why does she have asses on the back of her knees?
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>>381805963
there's quite a few characters that are up there with them one of them is Freiza now
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>>381776542

Already with the clones

STOP
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Pui Pui
Yakon
Dabura

The dream, the meme, makin' ladies scream'n'cream.
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>>381805038
Still would
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>>381802358
Why do all of these look like fucking garbage save for Beerus and the Fox?
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Dream team
Tapion
GT kid Goku
Ran fan
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Who's learning GG here?

I'm hoping the DB hype helps boost the player base
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>>381776191
Besides from the obvious ones like Krilin, 18 and Piccolo, I'd love:
Master Roshi
Videl
Gotenks
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>>381805038
>Skeletals trying to body shame thinking I don't absolutely love fat asses
LMAO
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>>381806872
Plan to later on in the year.
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>>381805439
You don't even like Zangoose?
What is wrong with you?
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>>381776191

Future Trunks

Yamcha

Fasha
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Can we stop using extreme butouden as a comparison, because it's not that good of a reference.
>Mechanics are bare bone as fuck, you have like 2 dial-a-combos with slight variations and a signature move on ground and in the air
>Game uses sprite work, DBFZ quite obviously does not.
>Clone characters out the ass. Goku, Super Saiyan Goku, Strawberry and Blueberry Goku.
>Not made for competitive play at all.
>There must be 50 assist characters at least. There's no way they would be able to do this in DBFZ.
The games and their development are too different to say "You'll get the roster from extreme butouden" or "Look at how many characters there are in extreme butouden, expect the same amount".
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Was he really the fastest in the universe?
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>>381777693
That entire fight scene had terrible animation. It was often the same 2 key animation frames of Goku or Frieza launching at eachother being played back and firth, while an energy trail that's digitally animated is inserted with more frames in the background to give some cheap illusion that there's a lot of work being put in there. The stills look nice enough, but the _animation_ isn't there. Animation, by definition, is art in motion, and the motion just isn't there in super.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJG5gaNQKH4

The reason why DBZ has the better animation is because of Toei's old god-like key animators. These guys drew the key animation frames which were then colored in by other cel colorists. The key animators on work in Super today don't have shit on the ones who worked in this industry in the past.

What little (((animation))) DB Super had before was traded away for better still quality; it's no better than it was before.
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Nail
16
Jaco
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>>381807278
With that giant wall of meat body? Fuck no.
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>>381807278
Goku disproved that as soon as he faced him
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>>381807278

He died the fastest
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>>381807303
to support this gu nice guy who understands
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfHBrhMM5bk
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>>381807467
>Look Burter, we need to talk about this whole fastest in the universe thing. The Captain has a high power level right?
>Yeah
>So that makes him faster yeah?
>Well technically yeah but...
>And Lord Freeza has a higher power level than all of us
>Okay that's not fair
>And when you really think about it, Guldo can stop time. So...
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>>381807278
Did he really think he was faster than Frieza?
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>>381776191
Videl
18
Bulma

Arksys knows how to make cute female fighters
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>>381795853
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>>381807728
>And when you really think about it, Guldo can stop time. So...
but only as long as he can hold his breath

still would love to play Guldo in DBFZ though
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>>381800249

How fucked is Vegeta?
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>>381795853
ofcourse
toriyama can only influence a lil bit on toei animation

>toriyama is literally a slave
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>>381807980
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>>381795618

Exactly this. Shame that GT was just as gay garbage as Super is.
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>>381776191
Teen Gohan
Krillin
Kid Buu
Team Smol
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>>381808081
>>381800249
as fucked as their U6 equivalents Cabba and Caulifla
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Team Green.
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>>381800249
0% fucked. like I said in the dbs thread, this is goku show. jiren will shine and burn for the majority of their battle, until goku john cenas and puts alien nigga in his place.
>>381808081
vegeta is likely close to equal in power with goku, since they made a point to show him actually training before the tournament. he'll stomp tumblr tina with ease.

without sounding like a gohanfag, I believe he will be the sleeping dragon to watch for. i'm actually wondering if they'll have him go at jiren first, before goku jumps in.
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I can't wait for the Lesbians to die
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>>381808596
>U6 equivalents Cabba and Caulifla
Caulfila isn't the U6 version of Goku, and Cabba is not the U6 version of Vegeta. That doesn't even make sense. Not only are the characters completely different, they also share no roles. Caulifla isn't the main focus of her team, Cabba isn't an important man who had people praising him, Caulifla isn't some special fighting prodigy who's the strongest on her team, Cabba isn't some special fighting prodigy who's nearing the strongest on his team.

Cabba is the U6 version of Tarble, Kale for Broly, and Frost for Frieza. Goku doesn't have a counterpart, and Caulisuefla isn't relevant enough in the story to call her Goku's counterpart.

And no, the recent episode Goku was not saying Caulifla is similar to him, he was saying they both have the same goal of proving who the strongest in the tournament was.
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>>381808920
>not liking lesbians
The fuck is wrong with you?
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>>381808702
team Doc
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>>381776191
>Chi-Chi
>Launch
>Android 18
Only.
The baddest.
Mommies.
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>>381809109
I don't like the characters.
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>>381809158
>Launch
>mom
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>>381808970
Do people really say that? What makes Caulifla and Cabba the U6 versions of Goku and Vegeta? They have nothing in common.
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>>381805019
Eh.
You do you nigga
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>>381809518
I think it's a gross oversimplification where Caulifla pulls victory out of her ass while Cabba is woefully behind. The biggest difference is their personalities are switched.
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>>381809481
She's a Christmas cake, it counts.
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>>381809109
real life lesbians are disgusting, ugly and mentally ill
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>>381809756
>Caulifla pulls victory out of her ass while Cabba is woefully behind
So it's just a shitty fantheory? That's like grapsing at straws to draw a connection. Goten being Black is probably more likely than this counterpart nonsense.
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>>381779273
That was quick
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>>381805038
I love my body! Fucky you!
Every shot after is shopped
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>>381810025
Pretty much.
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>>381810024
>real life
You're the only mentally ill one here. Fuck off.
>>
If Caulifla suddenly turns into SSB in this tournament I am dropping Super. Sick of the stupid shit they keep pulling.
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>>381809109
Lesbians are disgusting an fucking retarded.
Huge difference between the dog you see on TV winning awards vs the fat ugly one that barks at you from behind a fence.

Shits fucking fake, an you're fucking retarded.
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>>381809675
All I can do senpai
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>>381810278
What the fuck are you even talking about?

>an fucking retarded.
Oh, the irony.
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>>381810278
This sounds like someone who was cucked by lesbianism one too many times.
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>>381810260
Get ready to drop it bruh. It's plain as day to see where this is going
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>>381810260
>Frieza is going to turn into Blue Frieza
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>>381800249
not. aliens are stupid
>>
Confirmed
>Goku
>Vegeta
>Teen Gohan
>Frieza
>Cell
>Majin Boo
>Future Trunks

High chance
>Krillin
>Android 18
>Gotenks
>Piccolo
>Kid Boo

Good chance
>Beerus
>Broly
>Ultimative Gohan
>Tien
>Janemba
>Ginyu

Others
>Goku Black
>Hit
>Bardock
>Super Boo
>Videl
>Yamcha
>Mr. Satan
>Roshi
>Android 17
>Radditz

Fusions (If they decide to add them)
>Gogeta
>Vegito

GT (If they decide to add them)
>Omega Shenron
>Ssj4 Goku/Vegeta/Gogeta

Never ever
>Tao Pai Pai
>>
Basic gameplay breakdown. Explains some blocking and deflecting ki blasts. Shortly explains controls, and jump canceling normals.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17OTLo--9W4
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>>381801663
Yeah, he's way bellow that level.
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>thread doesn't really kick off before GT vs Super shit started again
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>>381785563
We get it, you hate Super.
>>
Jiren is supposedly more powerful than Beerus.
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>>381810721
>28 characters base
>30-32 if they include fusions and GT
Shit fucking rooster, totally unrealistic.

>Radditz, 17, Yamcha, Super Boo, Goku Black AND Bardock, Ultimate Gohan
lmao, if only, right?
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>>381810884
It's almost like everyone in this board is only here to argue.
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>>381810260
I love how Caulifla triggers so many fans just by existing. Shes set to fall so Kale gets triggered anyway, chill.
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>>381810965
No he's not. They said the guy who's stronger than his GoD is in one of the non-contesting universes.
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>>381810829
telling a deviantart recolor artist to tone down their fan character doesn't usually work I'd imagine. their character has to be the best no matter what
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>>381801756
And Gogeta couldn't beat a shitty Shenron, something Piccolo managed to do back in original xD
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Not only Caulifla will go blue but she will also fuse with Kale and Cabba turning into Super Duper Saiyan Red 3. The STRONGEST saiyan in the WHOLE HISTORY OF DRAGON BALL EVER.

~Akira Toriyama

Please follow my deviant art. Gotta go now mom is angry at me.
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>>381810965
This is why Goku and Vegeta were so shocked at his Ki. Goku and Vegeta can't feel God ki, they know how hard it punches but they never actually "felt" the amount of power it is. Jiren doesn't have God Ki, he just has normal ki at the level of Gods, and apparently it's frightening.
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>>381777465

>Like 4 arcs
>Literally have reused Frieza in 2 of them
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>>381801756
That's an instance of everyone getting a horseshit power buff just so there can be a relevant cast. Kinda like how if Mystic Gohan was strong enough to fight SSB he should have one-shot Super Buu in Z.
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>>381811281
desu this isn't far off from Super standards
>>
Why are there no black Saiyans?
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>>381811842
they're already monkeys, anon
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>>381776191
what are their chances?
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>>381811047
If you count the ones with a good chance you have around 18, Im not saying that all the others will make it.
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>>381811842
I can imagine Toriyama would do something like this again, and there's no way that'd fly today
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>>381812161
I would buy a Toriyama one-shot DLC special in an instant
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>>381812268
>implying Toriyama even has his hands on Dragon Ball anymore
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>>381811842
saiyan is a white race, similar to how namek is a green race. there is no skin color diversity like humans.

there might be a few slightly darker or lighter, but they remain a race of white space monkeys.
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>>381811842
Why should there be?
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>>381811047
>Radditz, 17, Yamcha, Super Boo, Goku Black AND Bardock, Ultimate Gohan
All of them have a unique moveset that would warrant a place in the game.
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>>381812268
Mr popo isn't a nog. He isn't even human. He's a fucking genie. Even when I was a kid I never thought he was black. I thought he was ain indian genie or something.
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>>381812581
>White

They're actually all pretty brown-ish. At least they were, before becoming indistinguishable from the other, clearly asian characters.

You don't actually think that Saiyans are supposed to be white, do you?
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>>381776191
Goku
Goku Black
Turles
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>>381777359

>At least it's not Super.

>>381777421

>Thats a shame actually

It indeed is a shame. A BIG shame. Pic related, it's how well Super is doing in Japan. It surpassed One Piece two weeks ago.
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>>381810605
truly a symbol of the times we live in
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>>381810260
You can read this entire arc like a pamphlet. Nobody is getting erased since they like Goku and Goku asks them not to. Goku is gonna throw when there's like 5 people left even though he reached a new level of SSJ God a fusion of SSJB + KK. Gohan is gonna be 1 of the 2 left and jobs hard. Mr Freezer is gonna be a god of destruction of another universe. U6 saiyans are going blue. Some Goku/Krillin flash backs with Roshi for nostalgia. Gogeta is going to appear for nostalgia. Piccolo will save Gohan for nostalgia. 17/18 combo will appear for nostalgia. Krillin blowing up for nostalgia. Only thing missing is Cell.
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>>381813057
>Shin-chan and Conan still that popular
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>>381812964
saiyans are white. I know pedros are fighting hard to make them space vatos, but saiyans are white.
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>>381812268
They hinted that Mr Popo was something special. His eyes were the same as Zen chan's. What did Toriyama mean by this?
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if and when chi chi is in the game and they give her this model, do you think they will model her underwear?
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>>381813406
Super is truly worse than GT
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>>381813601
>Sun Wukong
>White

Anon, I...
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>when
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Is Dragonball Z: Extreme Butoden worth picking up?
Tried the demo and while I don't like the fact there's no command moves and it's just mashing, combining with assists seems like an interesting way to combo extend.
Can't figure out how to do the 100%+ energy supers though.
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>>381812964
>>381812964
>They're actually all pretty brown-ish
What? No they aren't. The darkest Saiyan is Turles and he isn't even that dark, he's just a slightly tanned Goku. Most saiyans are ghost pale in comparison to him.
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>>381776191
My dream is to remove all shitty fanfic tier super crap and just have DB/Z/GT. Even gt was better than super for christs sake
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>>381813406
>U6 saiyans are going blue
doubtful. you people will keep pushing this, with the hopes that it will become true, but there's no way in hell they'll get such a hard push.

cabba will probably reach ssj2, kale will get stronger as the fighting goes on(muh unlimited power), and cauli might get so pissed she goes.. even further.. beyond... AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH
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>>381810721
reminder that they confirmed the roster will only "be around 20"
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>>381813653
>do you think they will model her underwear?
I hope they forget
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>>381814163
Source?
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>>381801756
Android 17 is stronger than Freeza, and if Freeza was able to reach SSB status then the Android should be able to surpass that.
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>>381813995
Zamasu was pretty good besides friendship sword and ToP is shaping up to be pretty fucking cool.
Everything before that except baseball was shit though.

Ep95 was hype
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7U1iOq2JqZ0
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>>381782984

>To be honest GT might be shit but the corrupted Dragon balls were a good idea, far better that whatever we currently have in super.

Really? So the idea of Evil Dragons who are vastly more powerful then Majin Buu because they're a byproduct of overusing Namekian magic is a better idea then the idea of the original dragon balls being created by an unknown dragon god which the Namekians used to carve one of this power and create their own inferior versions?

I like the latter a lot. I never really liked the idea of the Namekians being the sole creators of the dragon balls because it never fit with how these Dragons came to be. The Dragons are powerful enough that they can make someone immortal or revive people from the dead thus having powers more akin to that beyond the gods of creation and destruction. They obviously come from another realm it seems like and I do hope Super dives more into this as time goes on.
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>>381814376
>Android 17 is stronger than Freeza
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>>381814384
Baseball comes after Goku Black.
The Zamasu arc all in all was pretty shitty. The only good thing it had going for it was Goku Black, and they threw him away to power up Zamasu.
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>>381810721
Literally 0% chance
>Kid Boo
>Super Boo
>Ultimative Gohan
>Gogeta
>Vegito
>Ssj4 Goku/Vegeta/Gogeta

You're absolutely delusional to think otherwise.
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>>381814647
Absolutely.
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>>381813504

The top 5 animes have been running for 20-40 years.
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>>381811260
You'r saying that like Omega shenron is weak, and Gogeta was winning, he just got cocky
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>>381813698
>>381813995
just stop. Go back to making retarded FB posts about dokkan.
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You are now back in middle school

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDonsoD50AI
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>>381814837
Ofc he is weak compared to majority of things in Super. And idc if he was cocky or cucky, he still lost.
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>>381813601
>Sayians
>White
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What's the #1 unbeatable 3s team in all of DBZ universe?

1. Zeno01
2. Zeno02
3. Whis dad
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Yamcha
Yajirobe
Tien
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>>381793752
Literally one of the worst movie villains. Lord Slug deserves a spot over that.
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>>381814151
I hate the designs of U6 saiyans so I don't really give a shit, but Caulifla already went SSJ2 and I expect them to skip SSJ3 for them. Would be hilarious to see them without eyebrows. It's pretty obvious she'll for blue. I don't expect Cabba to though.

6 saiyans are present.
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>>381815023
>Ofc he is weak compared to majority of things in Super
Look, I don't like GT either, but they said that once Omega blew up the planet, he'd set off a chain reaction that would wipe out the whole universe.
The only characters that can do that in Super are GoD's and Zeno. I wouldn't call him "weak compared to the majority of things in Super"
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>>381814632
Yes, before Frieza went on to train, the androids were stronger.
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>>381815365
who's the STRONGEST tho
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>>381815427
You don't have to do the ritual to go blue. It's all about the tingles.
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>>381814997
Why do people dislike Brolly again? He is Dragon Balls Hulk and everyone likes Hulk.
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>>381815704
His power is maximum
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>>381815704
Because he's big dumb muscle with nothing going for him beyond smashy smashy and he's in EVERYTHING.
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>>381815704
It's because so many people really liked Broly, so the people that didn't like him hated him even more as a result.
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>>381810884

To be honest we don't have much to talk about until they show more characters and gameplay.
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So will SSJ3 Goku be a transformation or just part of a super attack?
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>>381816078
Part of an attack. It's his equivalent to Gohan extending his ult with more meter.
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>>381816078
attack, unless the transformation was disabled or not implemented, in the e3 demo
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>>381814672
>Kid Boo
>Super Boo
>Ultimative Gohan

>0% chance
lmao who is here delusional
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>>381815704

Hulk has a David Banner behind him.

Belly had NOTHING.
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>>381814672
>Ultimate Gohan
>Vegito
>0% chance
kek
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>>381776191
Team 1:
Yamcha
Raditz
Dr. Gero

Team 2 (aka the one that can happen):
Freeza
Beerus
Yamcha (or Tien or Krillen. Whoever actually gets added)
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>>381816390
>David Banner
Now that you mention it, i'd like to see David Banner hulking up
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>>381776191
Gotenks
Gohan
Cell or Future Trunks
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>>381814672

If there's no Kid Buu I'm not sure who will fill out the 3rd spot in my villain team.
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>>381815704
Hulk has the Banner stuff with adds interesting things to a character that would otherwise be smashing and bashing.

Brolly's fucking origin is being driven mad by baby Goku crying in his crib nearby. Also, repeating Kakarot twelve trillions times.

The only reason people are Brolly fans are because of his power. If he was weaker than other DB character no one would care about him.
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>>381811047
>He thinks 17 and Goku Black won't be in the game

I bet 2 dollars.
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>>381817535
Wen Broly
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>>381817535
>Brolly's fucking origin is being driven mad by baby Goku crying in his crib nearby. Also, repeating Kakarot twelve trillions times.
>autistic monkey screeching in his ear
>stabbed and left for dead
>mind controlled and had his emotions and thoughts suppressed
>driven mad
Oh gee, I wonder why.
>repeating Kakarot twelve trillions times
LSSJ Broly doesn't do this, aka the popular one everyone cares about.

He's still a better villain than Vegeta. Saiyan Saga Vegeta vs Movie 8 Broly, prove me wrong.
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>It's a Broly hate thread
>anti-brolyfags either didn't see or didn't understand the first movie
>they can only reply with KAKROT and crying memes.
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>>381817282

My favorite thing about Def Jam FFNY was that David Banner actually looked extremely Hulk-like. I miss when Ea was a decent dev.
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>>381819131

Your head Canon doesn't trump the actual substance of the movie.
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No Belmod no buy.
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>>381819349
>I'm too stupid to understand what was painfully obvious in a children's movie
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>>381819382
I'm actually surprised, there were quite a few decent designs.
I want that Dr. Wily looking mother fucker with the pimp cane so bad
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>>381819605
Please explain then
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>>381819605

Autism.
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>>381793915

>all the new characters in the latest episode will NEVER be in any DBZ game

And how do you know this?
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>>381814646
The only bad part about the arc was the dark ending
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>>381815365
100% BASED
t. YamchaFag
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>>381776191
Tao Pai Pai
Ginyu
Trunks
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>>381814646
Could have swore it was filler between the U7 vs U7 arc and Black
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>>381811047
There won't be fusions, but GT, and any other transformations cycles will be model swaps.
SS4 Goku, SSB Goku, etc. Will just be a model swap with the same moves. Black and Gohan are inevitable
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>>381820898
>SS4 Goku, SSB Goku, etc. Will just be a model swap with the same moves.
That's not how this works. The amount of time it would take to make a 'costume' would be the exact same amount of time to make an entirely new character. This isn't slapping a model on a skeleton here.
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>>381807303
Are you stupid my guy

The guy who animated that Super scene you're criticizing worked on Z. Plenty of Super animators worked on Z.

The reason DBZ had better animation on average was due to the better schedule. Super was green-lit on short notice to fill in for Kai ending. The schedule has gotten better and that's why the animation now is better than it was at the start.
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>>381821339
They would still have to make more unique animations otherwise
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>>381819784
Nothing to explain unless you detail your confusion. Watch the movie.

>Broly gets traumatized as a baby
>The only noteworthy thing during that time was Goku's screeching
>Seeing Goku triggers the subconscious nam flashbacks
>Broly also has Legendary columbine mode
>to keep him from going insane over and over again, Paragus keeps him under mind control
>what's the one thing that fucked him up the most?
>getting stabbed
>what's the one thing associated with the worst time of his life?
>goku
>Seeing goku sets off that chain reaction and his anger explodes
Do note that after going LSSJ Broly doesn't even care about Goku anymore, aside from calling him the first sacrifice, Broly goes after everyone equally. The movie had less to do with Broly's hatred for Goku, and more to do with Goku being the trigger that sets Broly wild.

Now if you still hate the story and plot, it's fine, just know that he isn't -just- KAKROT MAXIMUM memes.
Broly 2/3 were ass tho, made negative 5 sense
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>>381821653
I completely misread what you were saying. Please disregard my stupidity.
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>>381821675

>traumatized
>as a baby

Do you not understand how stupid this is.
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>>381819382
so universe 9 and 10 confirmed for the worst
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Put the Trio de Dangers in (Red, Blue, Yellow wolves)
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>>381822161
https://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/health/healthyliving/trauma-and-children-newborns-to-two-years
>"Trauma can have a serious effect on babies and toddlers. Many people wrongly believe that babies do not notice or remember traumatic events."
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>>381823168

And what fucking trauma did he experience?

Crying a lot?
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>>381823405
Yeah, he definitely did not get fucking stabbed or anything.
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Vegeta
Krillin
Cell
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>>381822263
If you mean 4 and 9, I'd agree.
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>>381822325
All 3 isn't necessary. Just 1 is fine.

Preferably Lavender.
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>>381812161
Whats this about?
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>>381794379
screaming to power up is hype
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>>381825481
this. im actually shocked that GT fans exist.
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>>381825481
Honestly Super and GT are both shit. I give GT the slight edge because of SSJ4
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>>381825759
My sister is a GT fan. It's probably because I bought some GT DVDs back then and she watched those before DBZ.

I think GT is okay but I haven't watched it in years.
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>>381825481
Switch Super with DB, and add another retard with the Super label.

GT fans don't sperg out and complain like Superfags do.
>m-muh caulflower
>m-muh black
>m-muh leave [character] to me
>m-muh gay Beerus x Shin porn
>m-muh gay Zamasu cuck porn
Superfags are the worst.

Fanbase:
DB >> DBGT > DBZ >>>>>>>>>> DBS.
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>>381826630
>GT > DBZ
Leave
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>>381812161
I can dream.
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>Ultimate Tenkaichi
>Battle of Z

What the fuck? I forgot these even existed.
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>>381827089
He said fanbase. He's not wrong, SB and GTfags are relatively chill and not in your face all the time
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>>381827089
>typical Z-baby mentality.
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>>381827589
>GTfags are relatively chill
So the past threads full of GT vs Super fags haven't shown they're both equally bad as each other.
>>381827592
Nice ad hominem
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>>381828038
>So the past threads full of GT vs Super fags haven't shown they're both equally bad as each other.
I have to disagree.
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>>381827563
UT broke my heart
>>
18
Goku
Tien
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>>381826630
>GT fans don't sperg out
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>>381779273
cute af
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Reminder GT isn't canon and you're an idiot for liking it.
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He better be in this game.
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So where does dragonball go after this universes tourney. I mean, once goku becomes the strongest between universes where does he even go from there?
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>>381830587
This is a Superfag, everyone. Now you can ignore, bait, or seriously reply. Stopping my post right here would be bait, but let's go for the reply route:

GT may not be canon, but it still had a better art direction than Super. Super is off-model a lot more than GT was and fails to present itself in an appealing way.
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>>381831326
Probably something about Frieza wanting to take over all universes, then some filler and then a gate to the where DB ended in the first place.
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>>381823405
Spotted the retard
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>>381830587
But it is and it was in tv
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im going to get into this fighting game but im not that familiar with Dragonball outside of watching episodes when i was a little kid that i don't remember


where do i start with Dragonball?
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>>381831784
king piccolo is when it starts paving the way towards z


starting from the beginning is great as well
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>>381831784
dragon ball episode 1
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>>381806382
>GT Goku
>a clone
Not by sheer virtue of him being a kid
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>>381776191
posting dream team
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>>381831784
If you can read Japanese, then start with the manga. It's available in it's entirety online in like 4 different versions.

Also if you want, get Budokai 1, Budokai 3, and Tenkaichi 3. Those games would cover the story in a good way. Especially Budokai 1. I assume you have PCSX2.
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>>381832036
>Beerus
Damn, and you almost had a solid roster.
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>>381831396

>but it still had a better art direction than Super.

Yes because the dark saturation of colors and Broom haired Vegeta is definitely a lot better then Super's.
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Hey, I'm a faggot normie who knows what DBZ is, but has never gotten into it. I want to watch DBZ because one of my favorite fighting game character (pic related) was apparently inspired by Trunks. I'd love to catch up as much as I can before this game releases, but I know there's multiple Dragon Ball series. What order do I watch them in? Is there a canon order, or does it not matter really?
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>>381832413
>not liking beerusama

eat shit, faggot
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>>381832489
>kid Goku was stronger than Goten and Gohan SSJ

fuck I remember being pissed at GT. Super is just as bad though.
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>>381832516
>I'm a normie
>Kaede as favorite character
Now that's weird. For you I suggest to just watch Dragon Ball Kai.
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>>381831943

>starting from the beginning is great as well

You should be starting from the beginning in the first place. Skipping that shit means you know nothing about Dragon Ball.
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>>381830834
This
Just put Gotenks in and you save potentially 2 slots although they probably weren't going to add kid Trunks or Goten anyways
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>>381776191
Just give me shota Goku with Power Pole and Nimbus
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>>381832413
do not bully kusoneko
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>>381832558
>liking a shitty meme of a character who hasn't fought since his introduction and is just furfag bait
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>>381826630

>GT fans don't sperg out and complain like Superfags do.
>>
can anybody post the gif of DB fighthers Z dancing on the grave of Capcom VS Marvel?
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>>381832934

>liking a shitty meme of a character

Every character in Dragon Ball is a 'meme' character if you want to go that route anon. This is a Toriyama universe ffs...
>>
>Jiren made Goku scared
More like "waku waku su zuuuuuuu", or whatever you write that in ancient chinese
It also amuzes me how some think that Goku gettting surpassed in speed or power by someone in base form is something unique or terrifying

>>381814571
>Piccolo's power ups through Nail or Kami that made him "1000x" stronger like nothing
>androids stronger than Freeza just because
>Buu, some being that was already there on Earth but old Kami never noticed a thing when he noticed a weird being was there(Cell)
>Goten and Trunks getting SSJ3 by looking at Goku once
>Gods plot and strenght that made anyone useless, until this tournament of power where everyone got weird powerups
>Freeza learning out of nowhere how to train mentally in HELL
>all that weird plot in Black's arc, be manga or anime and the "LOL Vegito's fusion 1 hour allowed"
>Buu's new plot where he sleeps all the time when in Z nothing like that happened, and Buu never missed a tournament for Mr.Satan to be the champ

Dude, Dragon Ball always had stupid shit, be plot or powerups. Kid Goku's powerups were insane too, like when he gets beaten to shit by Tao Pai Pai, he just climbs the tower and in 2 or 3 days he gets much stronger than Tao.


>>381830587
>GT is shit
>yet Super is getting ideas from GT
>last episode fucking clone of Rildo was there
At least it makes me laugh
>>
I need:
>Beerus
>Jiren (most likely DLC)
>Krillin
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>>381833069
And Beerus is the worst of them all by far. Your point?
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>>381833154
why do you want jiren
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>>381833278

>And Beerus is the worst of them all by far.

Ok how so? Did you know that Toriyama himself said Beerus and Whis are some of his favorite characters?
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>>381832516
>Dragonball
>Dragonball Z
>Dragonball: Battle of gods
>Dragonball: revival of F
>Dragonball Super
that would be the current order, you can also read the manga, witch would just cover DB and Z, there's also Dragonball GT and various non-cannon movies
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>>381833476
Toriyama wouldn't even know SSJ2 if you asked him what the difference between to and 3 was, literally, that has happened before.

He made Goku marry Chichi because he didn't like her, so he forced himself to draw her all the time by making her Goku's wife.

Toriyama hated Vegeta.

His opinion means nothing to anyone except Toyo.
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>>381776191
Have my dream team right here.
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>>381833583
There's a Dragonball original Kai on some torrent site. I heard it was edited okay.
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>>381833082

>yet Super is getting ideas from GT

They're Dragon Quest parodies you dingus

Also Rildo was a clone of Captain Ginyu and so was his metal mutant squadron henchmen. Oh and wait...Ginyu Sentai were parodies of Super Sentai.
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>>381833476
Oh boy, the old man who barely remember anything likes the faggot and the cat that exists for shitty food gags and muh intimidation factor. That sure sways my opinion on Beerus being obnoxious shit
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>>381833773
need turles
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>>381833415
he's cute
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>>381833712

>Toriyama wouldn't even know SSJ2 if you asked him what the difference between to and 3 was, literally, that has happened before.

Yeah, Toriyama forgets. He forgot about Launch by the time he was done with he the Saiyan arc in 1989. By saying his opinion doesn't matter is outright ridiculous. To be honest, your opinion doesn't matter. You're the Toonamikiddie who grew up with a really bad english dub and never looked at any of his other works that he created since the 70's. You think Dragon Ball is about techno metal and big muscular men and don't understand the cultural influences that helped shaped up what Dragon Ball is.

>Toriyama hated Vegeta

And began to show appreciation for him by the Buu arc by giving him a more thought out redemption by sacrificing himself in a vain attempt to kill Fat Buu.
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>>381833712
>Toriyama was supposed to like Piccolo, be design or character
>Piccolo is a piece of shit right now
>can't compare to Goku anymore, probably even 17 he can't
>can't be Namek God when his race was special
>is just something to be sacrifced for Gohan or some damn saiyan brats nobody cares

Fuck this shit. Every character that had a vast and unique techniques were cast aside. It was Piccolo, it was Tenshinhan, it was Krillin...
At least Roshi said he wanted to let the kids to get the show, despite him being pretty based
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>>381833773
>Bardock
Just barely enough style to give him normals, and little to no moves. I'm a huge fan and think he could be a cool addition, but other characters deserve his spot more. He might be able to edge it out with moves if you break apart some combos, but I'm not too sure.
>Goten
Just barely enough style to give him normals, has Kamehameha, Bros. Kamehameha, and his Charge! special, that's about it. However with Gotenks being a highly likely character, Goten and or Trunks just don't really deserve that slot.
>Black
More than enough style to give him normals, has a few moves, but variety between them. Can be possible, and would represent DBS which is what the producers want, representation across all generations.

I'm all up for a lookalike, but we need good choices, not just random ones thrown in.
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>>381833848

>That sure sways my opinion on Beerus being obnoxious shit

Pedro, nobody cares about your opinion. Most certainty Japan where their characters are really enjoyed.
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>>381833278
lol
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>>381833712
>Wahh the creator doesnt like the things i do so who cares what we thinks
Lmao
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>>381834229
Dragonball Z Dub>>>>>>>Jap

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6mK24p0UZw
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>>381834229
>All of this projection in just two sentences.
Jesus dude.
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>>381834269

Welcome to Dragon Ball; also known as the Goku Show. Guess how many characters Piccolo defeated in the entirety of Dragon Ball Z? Just one and that was a saibamen. He didn't defeat Freeza or 17 and his fight with Gero ended when Gero fled.
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>>381834315
>Goten and or Trunks just don't really deserve that slot.
I know and I'll happily play Gotenks but OP asked for dream teams so I posted a dream. My real team would probably be Goku Gotenks and Trunks (Switch with Vegeta)
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>>381834524

>dbz dub good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmMFp7Kr0Ng

It's quite mondo cool if you ask me.
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>>381833831
No. It is taking ideas from movies, GT and even fanbase shit from the 2000s, be design or similar plots. Hell, even GT did the same with movies or that videogame with the tsufur or whatever is that name(the race that lived in planet vegeta) with that redish-pink called Haldicks

These universal teams and the angels are actually parodies to some older anime stuff, I don't mind, but some i just laugh.

>>381834229
>And began to show appreciation for him by the Buu arc by giving him a more thought out redemption by sacrificing himself in a vain attempt to kill Fat Buu.
And kid Buu's speech.
Then we get to Super and Vegeta is that annoying fag again with the pride shit despite the possibility of the universe to be erased
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>>381834582

>stating the obvious is projection

Nice to see you have no argument.
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>>381834229
>And began to show appreciation for him by the Buu arc by giving him a more thought out redemption by sacrificing himself in a vain attempt to kill Fat Buu.
Remember all that talk during the Kid Buu fight? How it seemed like his character arc was finally complete? Well he retcons it in the edited kanzenban ending, and makes Vegeta jealous of Goku again, even though he should be accepting.

The entire "Kakarot is #1" speech was thrown out the fucking window just because.
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>>381834918
>stating the obvious
>continuing with projections

>have no argument
Against what? The fact that (You) think I grew up with toonami and never picked up the manga for DB or his other mangas? It's your shitty speculation against my word. Please go back to /a/ or something.
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>>381834628
And Goku killed his grandpa, a fish, some RR soldiers nobody cares, Tambourine and that green alien in Buu Saga
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>>381835075
>The entire "Kakarot is #1" speech was thrown out the fucking window just because.

Why do retards interpret that monologue as "Goku is better than I am so I should just give up martial arts entirely and never attempt to better myself ever again"?

Vegeta still has a rivalry with Goku, he's just not retarded about it anymore. It's a healthy competition instead of an obsession to the extent he's willing to risk the Earth and his family
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Reminder that Japfags will never have hype DB with hype music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSAoB_MnTxo

>inb4 muh granny goku, muh copyrighted music, muh s-s-superior seiyyu, muh accuracy

hype>>>>all that
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One of the unseen U4 fighters, Damon, who's able to disappear and then reappear wherever it wants. It had probably disappeared already and that's why nobody could see him.

Wonder why no one could see the other fighter though, possibly an invisible man
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>>381834886

>It is taking ideas from movies, GT and even fanbase shit from the 2000s,

Such as.....what? I do remember GT tried to replicate the original 12 episodes of Dragon Ball with its first arc when going out into space. On top of that doing a bad job getting the humor down just looking overall awkward as hell.

>>381834886

>but some i just laugh.

Did you ever laugh when you saw an elite killing squad of henchmen do flamboyant poses in spandex's betting over chocolate with a rosey background appearing behind them?

>Then we get to Super and Vegeta is that annoying fag again

Vegeta never said he couldn't stop with his competetive side with Goku. His inner thinking when observing Goku's fight with Kid Buu was him announcing that Goku is indeed stronger then him. He was too insecure to admit Goku was stronger then him before. That doesn't mean he doesn't want to surpass him. And no, he's not the same Vegeta pre-Buu arc. Pre-Buu arc Vegeta showed no outward love or compassion to his son or wife like he does in Super. When he was fighting Android 20 he dismissed the idea that his baby son and Bulma almost got killed to the point where Future Trunks berated him for it.
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>>381835282

>continuning with projections

Here you are projecting and trying to reflect it off yourself.


>Please go back to /a/ or something.

I'll go back to /a/ when you go back to red dit pleb.
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>>381827089
GT haters are obnoxious. GT fans are considerably reasonable.
DB>GT=Super>Z>DubZfags
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For the record:
Toriyama ended Dragon Ball Z in the Cell Saga. The Buu Saga, GT, the fusions, Ssj3, Ssj4, Majin Vegeta and all that shit wasn't drawn nor written by him.
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original eng dbz > original nip dbz
nip kai > eng kai

sabat sucks now
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>>381835383

>Reminder that Japfags will never have hype DB with hype music

Nobody else outside of Amerilards grew up with that loud noise. But seeing how the average American kid is fat and eats too much sugar, they probably assessed that they couldn't stay focus without constantly loud music being played while everyone was talking.

Glad we didn't get that shit here in Germany.
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>>381804020
How do you not know that the guy who made One-Punch Man and Mob Psycho 100 is called ONE?
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Reminder that GT is only good from the Baby saga onwards

You can literally skip the Pan/Trunks/Kid Goku bits and not miss one thing
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>>381835852
>they couldn't stay focus without constantly loud music

the music sets the atmosphere. you don't know anything.
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>>381835852
That Cell theme though..
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>>381835383

>Sabat's unrefined Vegeta voice because he was forced to sound like Ocean Groups Vegeta back in the Freeza saga

Christ it's so bad.
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>>381835375
Did you even read that shit? Vegeta completely accepted the fact that Goku was better than him, and he was encouraging Goku to win the fight with a smile on his face. But at the end he's grumpy and saying shit like "One day I'll beta you Kakarot." It's a retarded retcon and it makes his speech pointless.

>Oh man! Kakrot you're the strongest! You got this buddy! :)
vs
>Hmph, I'll beat you one of these days... >:(

Shit's fucking retarded.
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>>381815704
hes just a shit Ultra super saiyan trunks whos powerful for no reason
also not canon
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>>381835852
the jap music was bad desu
some tracks were good, but were badly used

Super is superior to both dub and original jap music in everyway
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>>381835814
>GT fans are considerably reasonable.
>>381829217
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>>381832934
>shitty meme of a character who hasn't fought since his introduction
Ofc the vegeto poster would say that.
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>>381804786
>Literally the one character they outright confirmed wasn't going to be a playable character
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>>381836245

Is he wrong though?
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>>381836245
>b-but m-muh personality and cool earrings!
>m-muh canon and power level
This is why Gogeta will forever be superior. At least he didn't get Gohan, Goten, Trunks, Piccolo, and the Earth killed.
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>>381835976
>the music sets the atmosphere
You're right, it does.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hagJd6E0O8
I first heard this in 2005 and got hooked to the original soundtrack instantly. That shit the dub shat out was unneeded.

>>381836168
I don't see GT fans sperging out over Gohan not being Mystic or the back tingling. I sure as hell don't see GT fans bitching about Super being silly and lighthearted. Most of the time, it's the Zfaggots being obnoxious screaming NON-CANON HURR every mere mention of SSJ4 or GT.
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>>381793915
I'm sure the important ones will be in Xenoverse 3.
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>>381835976

All music in a show or series is suppose to set atmosphere. The problem is that the English dub doesn't know how to identify tone and even during the moments where parts are suppose to be silent it immediately uses loud or corny music. Bruce Falconer had a LOT of corny music and when used during the non-action scenes it sounds really bad. Everyone will always cherrypick the more hardcore techno rock shit like SSJ3 Goku transformation, Cells theme, or Vegetas Final Flash but will never show the rest.
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>>381836062
just jealous because you got no hype.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo5TofVCNAU

lol listen to this. so anti-hype. so glad they fixed it in the dub.
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>>381835383
CHA-LA HEAD-CHA-LA > any other anime OP
I rewatched dbz in japanese recently and its much better imo
inb4 weeb db is the only anime I watch
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>>381805710
Second movie is dogshit compared to the actual episodes, it was missing half of the fucking plot. Fuck, there wasn't even Ginew.

Never watched the first movie, but first saga is reeeeally slow
Current Super is faster than anything "dragonball" made before
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>>381836479
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_UdhAFyruk

Superior.
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Tapion
Trunks (Sword)
Gohan (Z-Sword)
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>>381836774
>Second movie is dogshit compared to the actual episodes
Except it looked almost literally 1000x better in every way fucking imaginable.
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>>381835818

>Toriyama ended Dragon Ball Z in the Cell Saga.

He wrote and drew the Buu arc.
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>>381836774
The ROF saga was the worst stuff in Super.
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>>381835375
>understands things and doesn't want to get his family into trouble
>Black appears "nah, let's handle 1 vs 1", which resulted to a bad ending in FT's timeline
>Vegeta's speech to FTrunks "you piece of shit, you run away again? You were alone? You had nobody to train with? Even Kai is dead? I TRAIN ALONE AND LOOK AT ME I AM A SUPA GOD BURE"
>tournament and universe at stake
>"what? 2 vs 3? unfair, right Goku?" Goku"yeah that's no fun lol"

Retards. Vegeta even more because hs ridiculous pride is back. Vegeta only got god powers in the first place because he trained with Goku and got stronger thanks to Whis. While he was training alone he rarely gets huge power ups because he doesn't know how to train right. When Goku trains alone he achieves things because Goku have the basis of training thanks to the masters he had in the past and doesn't have problem asking Whis for help. Vegeta still refuses help 90% of the time in Super, when in Z he realized that sometimes you need help
So yeah, Toei and whatever more fucked up that Vegeta's realization in Z and the start of Battle of Gods with "Muh Bulma". He should be the rival and try to be better than Kakarot, but not returning to his older pride theme because he just got Blue. I fucking hope with the Tropper squad will make him realize another thing or 2
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>>381825361
mad max but with toriyamas cliches
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>>381836865
>tapion
>no janemba final form
time to derail the thread again with a mere mention of janemba
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>>381836865
>Tapion
>Trunks (Sword)
>Gohan (Z-Sword)
>having taste this good
I like the Tapion > Trunks / Gohan > Trunks mentor/teacher theme.
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>>381836812
Nostalgia's a hell of a drug.
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>>381836952
And yet it was better than the movie
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>>381836373
I mean, is there any characters in dbz that isn't Goku or Vegeta that fight constantly ?
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>>381837021
His team has a theme see: >>381837045

Janemba is a great swordsman to add to your rooster, but team comp such as that comes once in a jelly moon.
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>>381837049
I watched the japanese version like two years after the Toonami airing. 11 years ago. I'd have nostalgia for both.
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>>381837139
Piccolo
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>>381836583

>just jealous because you got no hype.

What? Is this some type of nigger/spic speak that I'm unaware of?

You might as just say 'U mad?' because it's the same retarded response.
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>>381836654
>CHA-LA HEAD-CHA-LA > any other anime OP
probably the most overrated OP of all time

it's not even the best dragon ball opening

Dan Dan Kokoro Hikareteku > Limit-Break x Survivor > We Gotta Power > Cha-La Head Cha-La = Makafushigi Adventure > Dragon Soul > Kuu-Zen-Zetsu-Go > Cho-ZetsDynamic!
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>>381837190

Two years can make a difference. You were attuned to one version and couldn't come to grasp that your version was a false version created solely for the American market.
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>>381836654
I don't think chala head chala is even kageyama's best song, but it's probably his most iconic indeed.
On that subject, I can't imagine the scene of Gohan going SSJ2 without this theme.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFTCPmJ_LhQ
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I hope Raditz gets in with his hilarious english translation moves.
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>>381836062
Thank god he sounds so much better now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHyD0F-c2lQ
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>>381837021
He can be with Dabura and Yamcha for a villain swordsman team
>>381837045
Only problem is that Trunk's sword is actually Tapion's, but this is a game after all so it doesn't matter
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>>381835845
Vegeta's Jap VA has aged way worse than Sabat has.
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>>381837240
The last real fight Piccolo got was against 17, then nothing until the fight against frieza army in RoF.

At least for now, Super is trying the change that by letting every characters that isn't Yamsha have some fighting time.
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>>381837617
no
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>>381837263
i pretty much agree with this though makafushigi adventure is second for me and i prefer cha-la to power
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>>381837263
Where's Rock the Dragon?
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>>381837408

The best Dragon Ball Opening is the Burst Limit one.
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>>381838360
>not Raging Blast 2
wrong opinion
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>>381838461

>Not Budokai 3

NO U
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>>381835518
>Such as.....what? I do remember GT tried to replicate the original 12 episodes of Dragon Ball with its first arc when going out into space. On top of that doing a bad job getting the humor down just looking overall awkward as hell.

Was talking about Super. Super had the saiyan god ritual that was the Baby's ritual with 4 saiyans or Full SSJ4 Goku with 4 or 5 characters with Uub. Turles = Black, same tone of voice, plus shit from that old manga with Evil Gokus and kais. Colored Freeza or new Freeza(U6 counterpart), female Broly, Cabba = Tarble, new colored super saiyan hair power up(there was a blue one really back then), SSJ4 Gogeta lasting 5 minutes or so same as SSB Vegito, new set of dbs like GT with a new shenron, different universes and a tournament with universes like in that manga(except for timeline). Even that Robot God of Destruction is similar to Luud without the baby face, that one was also called a god of destruction.

Gt did that with DB adventure but in space, that huge Fish with fake earthquakes was Oolong for example, Tsufur plot, robots in super sentai/Ginyu force, Baby had parasite abilities that reminded Super Buu with absorb, you could say that Majin Uub had vibes of Ultimate Gohan and Gotenks, 17's arc that was Fusion Reborn movie + shorter Cell/Android Saga, 4th star dragon reminds Pikkon+Piccolo.

Since GT Toei is going around in circles and Super is no difference.
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>>381837775
See >>381837565

His Piccolo voice is deeper and less raspy in Kai and his Vegeta no longer sounds like a shitty Brian Drummond ripoff.
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>>381838650
>not burst limit

underage, go back to gamefaqs
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>>381838927
>Not Final Bout

True underage.
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>>381839040
GOAT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcGndttTxuk
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>>381839130
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>>381836479
Was that music supposed to be good?
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>>381838461
>either RB1 or 2 opening
>you can hear in the lyrics "BEEEJITA PLEASE HAVE THE COOKIE!"
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>>381839631
I bet you hate Piccolo's theme too. Now that was setting tone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoNQmspOQt4
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>>381838775

>Turles = Black

And Turles = Ginyu Goku

>Colored Freeza or new Freeza(U6 counterpart)

You have to remember 4th form Freeza is his original form. It's not his 'final form' as all his other forms are basically just repressive states to control his ki. The reason he chose gold to represent his super form was to mock Goku. Also the counterpart makes sense because Freeza is part of a race of beings like him. Should we claim that King Cold is just a clone of 2nd form Freeza?

>Female Broly

Yeah a homage but both of the characters are exact opposite in personality. They couldn't introduce Broly but because of his popularity they gave a nod over to him.

>Cabba = Tarble

Annnnnd why is that? Tarble is smaller and doesn't like to fight. Cabba does fight.

>new colored super saiyan hair power up

A new power up...yeah so original in a shonen manga series. Take a look at the Cell arc and look at SSJ2, it's just SSJ1 but with sparks.

>SSJ4 Gogeta lasting 5 minutes or so same as SSB Vegito

They had to find a way to explain Vegito defusing in Buu's body. Toriyama never gave an explanation and the retarded ass made up theories of "buu magic" was idiotic. Or the funi dub of "the atmosphere" or w/e.

>new set of dbs like GT with a new shenron

So much like how they introduced a new shenron on Namek? Yeah definitely original by GT, so not original by super am I right? The golden Super Shenron isn't original but the giant recolored red Shenron totally is.

>different universes and a tournament with universes like in that manga

And how as this copying GT? GT had no tournaments.

>Even that Robot God of Destruction is similar to Luud without the baby face

It's been stated constantly that it was a direct homage. Luud was called a 'God of Destruction' in GT, hence why they decided to create a homage for one of the characters. You know, all Dragon Ball characters are homage's of shit out there.
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