ITT: shit that ruined its respective game.

git gud

>>381765683
>defensive shitter in heavy armor
lamao

>>381765683
>retard spammer copycat is back
>still wrong
lel

>>381765683
>Mentioning Four Kings when Bed of Chaos exists

>>381765910
>this faggot again
You missed my point. What I tried to say was:
>half-assed DPS pukefest
>literally nothing instead of a proper arena
>le-edgy-emo-Sephiroth-ripoff-only-with-more-added-fagginess-and-polygon-clusterfuck of a """"""""""design""""""""""

Sure I heard that the second half of the game was badly rushed and all. But I never expected it to fall THIS low.

no just no

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>>381765683
fuck kinda design is that...

>>381765683
Bed of Chaos is worse.

>>381766192
sorry kid, your autism is week
you were neglecting your spamming duties far too long
can't just waltz back here and pretend to be top baiter again
weak stuff

>>381765683
That's not BoC

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>>381766192
Would you of preferred the boss that was originally going to be in New Londo?
Undead King Jar-Eel, even though he was scraped because of his similarity to Gwyn, Ironic in retrospect that DaS3 last boss is also an amalgamate of the Lord Souls including Gwyn

>>381765683
I honestly had no idea four kings looked like that, it just looks like a clusterfuck to me when I'm fighting them and I never bothered to take a closer look

>>381766330
I believe Fromsoft just "hired" some amateur for one day and made him fart this thing out purely for lulz.

>replying to own posts again
can't get much more pathetic than that

>>381766547
>this design
You can't be serious. Is this some kinda fucked up joke? From surely dodged a bullet here by ditching this retarded shit I could barely call a 'design".

>>381766192
I don't think New Londo was that rushed desu
Not in comparison to Izalith and Tombs of the Giants
They designed it in mind that you could beat them before getting the Lordvessel, albeit very fucking difficult

>>381766760
Yeah ikr, looks like and armour set from Lord of the Fallen.
You can see some similarities between him and the Four Kings actually

>>381766938
>You can see some similarities between him and the Four Kings actually
yeah, the similarity is that both of those look retarded and like they don't fucking belong in the game.

>>381766401
I'm not sure I know what you're talking about here m80.

>>381765683
Yeah, they ruined the game. Not the shitshow that was behind Quelaag's Domain. I never saw the problem with them.

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>>381765683
What other boss in the series compares to this in badness (besides BoC)?
King's pets?..
I seriously cannot suggest anything else.

>>381765683
Ruined? If more bosses were like Four Kings, it'd be ruined. It's just the one.

Same with Dragon God 2.0: Somehow even worse edition. Terrrible bossfight, but doesn't ruin the game.

Come to think of it none of the four Archdemons, whatever they're called in Dark Souls, are good fights. They're all bad.

>DPS test
>puzzle boss
>don't pull the big skellies 2 win
>literal nothing non-fight against an idiot with like two attacks

>>381767542
>If more bosses were like Four Kings, it'd be ruined. It's just the one.
One, but it's bad enough to outweight many that are good (plus Bed of Chaos exists, too).

>>381767529
Dragon God in Demon's.
BoC in Dark despite you disqualifying it.
I'll just say all the co-op gauntlet runs in Dark Souls 2. Sir Alonne is the exception. Smelter 2, King's Pets, and 3 NPCs lmao can fuck off.
Defiled Amyg/Watchdog/etc in Bloodborne.

Haven't played 3 someone else weigh in.

>>381767542
The Archdemons had their own gimmick, sure it failed for the most part but at least they tried something different

>>381765910

But playing defensively with heavy armor and shield is the only reliable way to beat them.

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>>381767776
>Tfw seeing Watchdog from Bloodborne in Irrithyl of the Boreal Valley for the fist time

>>381767949
It's an rpg, players should get a even, fair fight no matter the set up they play with.
Being equipped with extremely high poise and defense whilst tanking the boss shouldn't give the player the ultimate high ground

>>381765683
How is this boss even worth mentioning?
Equip Havel's armor and your highest DPS weapon and just whack at them healing between each spawn.

It's a matter of 5 minutes at most and you're done with them.

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>force you to use havel

WHAT DID MIYAZAKI MEAN BY THIS

>>381768268
Everything you wrote also applies to the fact that this boss is shit - braindead battle mechanics, easy and extremely fucking forgettable (kinda like Seath, but with worse design, zero lore and horrible visuals).

>>381768243
>Being equipped with extremely high poise and defense whilst tanking the boss shouldn't give the player the ultimate high ground

Fortunately, DaS2 fixes this by removing poise altogether so that the effect is the same whether you're wearing full plate or paper mache!

>>381768362
he probably wanted to add a shit parody of a boss into otherwise good game on purpose, to make you feel like a cuck.

>>381768268

>>381768243

>>381768362
I beat the game with Uchigatana and the Shadow Set armor. You can easily roll through everything and then attack him. And if you do not do enough damage, save him for later. There are 3 other lord souls you can do.

The real problem is that Poise was fucking stupid, and make 90% of the game completely trivial.

>>381767516
>shitshow that was behind Quelaag's Domain
you mean Ceaseless Discharge?

>>381768362
You can easily fastroll through all their attacks, man. They're pretty good about letting you heal, too, none of that Artorias/Gwyn/DaS2 heal punishing.

>>381768362
>WHAT DID MIYAZAKI MEAN BY THIS
He meant that the game isn't allowed to be perfect.
There must ALWAYS be a fly in the ointment.

>>381768818
He means everything.
>cheese-me discharge
>Asylum Demon that's on fire but actually has no fire resistance
>poorly copypasted enemies
>the Camera Demon
>dragon butts - the most hilarious ass-et recycling I've ever seen
>Bed of Chaos
>the boring layout of Lost Izalith in general
>you get a bonfire and you get a bonfire... you know what, EVERYONE gets a bonfire

>>381765683
The game was rushed definitely, but this so-called boss was one badly rushed bullshit. Hell, they didn't even bother to create a fucking arena for it - "lel dude let's just throw the player into literal nothing and pretend it was a cool concept!))000)0"
What a hackery.

>>381769340
>"lel dude let's just throw the player into literal nothing and pretend it was a cool concept!))000)0"
It's a pretty cool concept. It's still cool in Bloodborne when they reused it for the Mensis Brain reveal.

You're probably right about it being laziness, though, since they still made an arena for Manus despite him leaking Abyss everywhere.

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Man, this fight really disappointed me. Before I fought them I imagined that the four kings would be actual kings dressed up like Alant, each with a unique set of moves and fight style.

Then in the fight you'd encounter each one in a random order but would have to work out which was which based on how they moved, and finally they'd all come together to fuck your shit up as a team, but perhaps with a shared health pool.

Imagine my disappointment fighting the actual boss.

>>381769514
4shits """""""fight""""""": welcome to cuckdom.

>>381765847
Every boss in Demon's Souls that isn't Tower Knight, Penetrator, Armored Spider, Flamelurker , Maneaters or Allant.

>>381766938
>>381766760
He's severely unfinished.

Four Kings fit New Londo Ruins perfectly and provided an interesting and different challenge to previous and following bosses.

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>>381765683

>>381767529
Nothing wrong with this boss, it's a DPS check like Gargoyles.

>>381769692
>Four Kings fit New Londo Ruins perfectly and provided an interesting and different challenge to previous and following bosses
each and every word in this sentence is so false I just can't.

>>381769784
>nothing wrong
except Gargoyles are cool and intense and 4shits is a mind-numbing shitfest with bad design and terrible music.

>>381769790
>ghostly tree-looking motherfuckers swimming around in solid darkness
>only bossfight with an actual incentive to end it quickly
>arena that messes with your sense of distance and makes taking too long even more difficult since it's harder to keep track of where and how far away from you each of them is while lobbing magic missiles at you

>>381765683
This son of a whore ruined my dickass Dex run. Fuck this motherfucker to the Abyss and back. The only right way to deal with this "boss" is CE instakill.

This is just one butthurt retard complaining about one of the better bosses in Dark Souls, right?

>>381770024
>dexfag
>complaining
Nigga the katanas melt fucking everything and fastrolling solves every situation. You have to be straight-up bad not to be able to win with your eyes shut as a dexfag.

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>>381769756
>Shooting toy planes with a minigun using a mouse - simple and easy
>Shooting toy planes with a minigun using a controller - fucking hell incarnate

>Flying a toy plane with a controller - nothing special
>Flying a toy plane with a keyboard - end my life

>Tfw no one wins

>>381769979
>ghostly tree-looking motherfuckers swimming around in solid darkness
looks extremely retarded and awkward in-game.
>only bossfight with an actual incentive to end it quickly
you learn it only once they fuck up your shit over and over again until you say "fuck it" and force yourself to ditch your playstyle and build and just go Havel/naked buffed clubbing.
>arena that messes with your sense of distance and makes taking too long even more difficult since it's harder to keep track of where and how far away from you each of them is while lobbing magic missiles at you
another cheap "fuck you" to the player.
Seriously what a terrible mess, it almost feels like an insult.

>>381770219
>force yourself to ditch your playstyle and build and just go Havel/naked buffed clubbing.
Oh, you're just garbage, alright then.

>>381770181
>one of the better bosses in Dark Souls
lame joke my friend buddy pal, t b h.

>>381770219
They're weak to every element, just get some resin and they melt even with an SL1 build.

Beating those fucker in the level 1 run was a complete nightmare. I had to get myself to <20% HP so I could get double damage with a ring and try not to get hit at all. Also:
>It's called "The four kings"
>More than 4 can appear
Fuck those guys.

>>381765910
>full poise/END/VIT build can sit there and tank them
Get fucked

>>381770569
>ever trying to beat it legit
Enjoy being a cuck.

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>>381766330
You know when a you're using pen stops working and you just kinda go spastic on the paper with it to try and fix it?

>>381770195
With +15 Great Demon Machete, you can literally stagger Manus in 1 hit. And Heavy armor gives massive damage reduction. Strength is definitely easier in DS1.

>>381770569
Just get a reinforced club and charcoal resin, or just make it fire/chaos, you idiot.

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Am i the only one who hates New Londo itself more than the 4 kings?
Everytime i thought about making a new character/go ng+ with an existing one/farm big chunks of rock i chickened out just because of how fucking spooky that area is.

>>381770181
It's one extremely autistic faggot that spammed /dsg/ with his obnoxious copypasta and samefagging for literally years.

>>381770842
I mate it fire but it wasn't enogough to kill each one before the next one arrived and by then I was doomed. Also even when I managed to kill 2 another 4 could still spawn so that didn't save me from being gangraped.

>>381766009
How much of a loser must you be to remember threads made on 4channel?
lmao

>>381770842
Ackshully, they are resistant to fire (strangely so). The only element they truly are weak to is Lightning.

>>381770195
>Havel's Greatshield
>blocking solves every situation

>>381771082
They're not resistant to fire at all. They're just slightly weaker to lightning still.

>>381771154
You don't need to block anything, you only take a tiny bit of physical damage if you get hit by the hilt of their swords rather than the magic blade.

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>Design a boss called "Four Kings"
>It can spawn more than four copies
Can someone explain the thought process here? This doesn't even fall under the category of "hard but fair". This is complete horseshit. How am I supposed to kill the last two fuckers if two more spawn and gank me.

>>381768243
>It's an rpg, players should get a even, fair fight no matter the set up they play with.

RPGs rarely ever offer total freedom. The ones that do tend to suck or be very small.

Four Kings is a bullshit boss.
Making bosses with multiple enemies is a lazy design choice to ramp up the difficulty level.

Give me Gael like bosses, one boss with transformations

>>381771284
shared health bar, faggot.

>>381771284
They are undead, they just respawn after a while.

>>381765683
>People still booty blasted about an ezmode DPS race
The worst thing about it is how boring it is.

>>381771341
There aren't multiple enemies unless you're shit.

>>381765683
What kind of lore is even on these niggers? Do they have any at all?.. I honestly have no idea what they're doing in the game.

>>381771284
You need to weaken them enough to get their lord soul, otherwise they just come back.

>>381771341
>Give me Gael like bosses, one boss with transformations

People like you killed this franchise.

>>381771341
Same, I don't care how weeb and generic it can get, at least It's fun.

>>381771379
>The worst thing about it is how boring it is
it's not the only bad thing about it, it's also horrible (which is an understatement) design of the boss as a whole.

>>381771480
Being a franchise killed Dark Souls

>>381765683
"Kings" my ass.
More like 4skins.

>>381765683
Best fight in the game

>>381771610
It died with DS2 actually. Would be better if DS3 was released as the actual sequel.
>>381771747
>in the game where O&S, Artorias, Kalameet and Manus exist
low quality b8.

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>"Hey, Miyazaki-san-kun-senpai-tachi. How should we design this next boss arena?"
>"Just don't texture anything. wwwwww"
>"What about the boss itself?"
>"Same retarded AI as anything else in the game. Oh, and only give them, like, three attacks."
>"Won't that be too easy?"
>"Copy and paste the boss a couple times. Oh, and write this idea down for the sequels. Namco-san called."

>>381771942
>Kalameet
>good

>>381772042
so you're agreed about the rest? Therefore, your b8 is extremely poor.

>>381772016
>and write this idea down for the sequels
Care to refresh me, which one of the sequels uses the exact same idea you just described?..

>>381771942
Those others are fun but kings is a dps race. No time to fuck around or you'll get gankbanked. Kalameet you spend half the fucking fight running

>>381771942
Never needed a sequel and DaS3 shows that.
Miyazaki just kept repeating the same shit again, clearing showing he never wanted to make one

>>381772093
I'm not the guy who said 4Kids is the best fight in the game. I think it's pretty good, whereas Kalameet isn't. The others you listed are as well.

>>381772093
Could be a different anon desu

Os Quatro Reís is a fine boss, come at me bro.

>>381765683
why did they look like a humanity item

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>>381772403
>Kalameet isn't
it's a bit tedious but feels epic and impacting, and you actually feel satisfied when you're done with the boss.

>>381772042
To be fair it is the best dragon boss in the series.
Inb4 Darkeater Midir. No thanks

> Before the Age of Fire, there were archdragons, rocks and trees.
> After the fuckup of the Witch of Izalith, we see Izalith covered in what appears to be tree vines in DS1.
> The Bed of Chaos looks a lot like a clusterfuck of tree branches and vines. Many demons of Chaos we see in DS1 and DS3 have branch-like stuff on them or have wood-like textures.
> The darkwraiths' armor has branch-like stuff on it, and the Four Kings' armor is very wood-like in texture.
> In DS3, we see tree-men like, everywhere.
> Pontiff Sully has those branch-like wings, the Dragonslayer armor is seemingly controlled by those flying branch-like fags, and those angels' wing have vine-like stuff.

Trees, man.
Fucking trees.

>>381772718
Honestly, creating a World Tree would've been less retarded than what they did in Dark Souls 3.

>>381772665
Is he going to throw that bolt or stab him with it

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WE

>>381772665
>it's a bit tedious
You should really have a 300-350 damage weapon by then, anon.

>>381772846
I'm pretty sure those bolts can stab hard like motherfuckers.

>>381772864
I only find him tedious when going for that fucking tail
Fuck tail cuts man

>>381772864
I mean you have to run a LOT, before given a chance to land a fucking hit. Still not as retarded as Sinh.

>>381772953
That's fair. Tailcutting is annoying on just about every boss sans fucking Gargoyles. What an annoying implementation of a mechanic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bO0qVHtiRGw

>>381772997
Honestly, tailcutting as a mechanic I liked. Because it came hand in hand with another thing I like. I like taking bosses apart. I enjoy systematically cutting enemies into pieces and having their tactics change.

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I liked New-Londo, I'm a sucker for abandoned/haunted areas in games.

>>381772992
Guardian "Dragon" wont fucking stop flying away
Horrible to be forced to fight when farming the monastery set
God, what evil cunt is responsible for the excessive amount of farming in DaS2

>>381773104
As a mechanic, it's good.

As the implementation of a mechanic, it's really fucking annoying.

Anyway, you'd like Vagrant Story, systematically destroying enemies and bosses is pretty much the whole game. Much less annoying fucking about for a clean hit on a tail, too.

>>381773104
>having their tactics change.
Pretty sure this doesn't happen.

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This is a king of New Londo. Say something nice to him.

>>381773235
They still do tail swipe attacks they just don't have that hit box, so yeah your kinda right

>>381773304
I like nice, long legs

>>381773304
WE WUZ KANGS

>>381773127
The theme and art was good, as a level it was way too much of a straight shot to the boss. Even Lost Izalith had lots of little sidepaths, optional areas, that big ol' pit.

New Londo has what, a couple of lil' squirt sidepaths to goodies?

>>381773304
It's a good thing the hollowed flesh flower takes up the majority of the design, because they just didn't try with the legs.

>>381773304
the abyss and the guys from it looked really elegant in the bast game, why did they have to shit all over it with aota?

>>381768552
I can't believe that even now people don't understand how poise works in DaS2

>>381773470
Newly transformed vs ancient

>>381773470
>why did they have to shit all over it with aota?
They went overboard with the whole "primeval" theme to enemy designs, just made them look retarded, and that abyss infection shit was some Darksiders-level design tackiness.

Still, the human sprites had an eerie look to them I appreciated.

>>381773304
Leg day status: SKIPPED.

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>>381773304
*circlestrafes u*

>>381773549
Same goes for Dark Souls 3

>>381773616
>>381773584
i wonder how much of it has to do with the fact they were working on bloodborne at the time too

when you look at characters like chester it's almost as if they're beta testing the artstyle

>>381773651
No matter what an arrow will always stagger me, how does it work desu, please do tell

>>381773719
>it's almost as if they're beta testing the artstyle
they WERE testing the artstyle.

>>381773719
Marvelous Chester is basically a proto-bloodborne character.

>>381773771
It won't if it hits you during an attack that has hyperarmor.

>>381773780
Yep, in fact they were most likely working on Bloodborne during AotA

>>381765683
>one of the easiest bosses
>not mentioning Izalith, the literal unfinished area
>he hasnt fought these guys on NG+ and probably doesnt know how to fight them without heavy armour
Four kids are fine. Git gud

>>381773304
>weird ugly withered flower with two sticks for "legs" pointing out, half-leaf for a sword and animu hair
Who could have thought this was a good idea for a design?

>>381773719
If so, AotA got all the reject art.

>>381773771
In Dark Souls 2, having poise and getting hit puts you into a "half-stagger" were your movement is temp. reduced but you can still attack (unlike a full stagger). Also while being hit while attacking, with enough poise your attack won't be interrupted.

In Dark Souls 3, it increases hyperarmour on hyperarmoured attacks, so unless you're performing an attack with hyperarmour it doesn't factor. No effect while just idle/moving.

Works as intended in both. Just that the intention in Dark Souls 3 was retarded.

>>381773719
Marvelous Chester is basically a hint towards Bloodborne being in development. Nothing else in AotA resembles Bloodborne much.

>>381774025
manus wouldn't look out of place in bloodborne desu

>>381766547
He wouldve been at the top of the church of ghosts before the 4Kings. Youd still have to fight the 4kings after him

>>381773304
Looks like a massive faggot. Honestly what an atrocious design, it's almost like they didn't even try.

>>381774025
>Chester is also a total lanklet like every Bloodborne character
Really jimmies your neutrons.

>>381774101
he and Cleric Beast are pretty much brothers.

>>381774101
Fair point, but I feel like Manus still looks a bit more demonic than beast-like.

>>381774121
So he would have had to drop the key to the seal, and Ingward would have been cut from the game?

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>>381765683
>their greatsword got cut out of the game

>>381774101
>>381774315
Basically just fuzzy, starved asylum demon.

>>381769287
Does Firesage actually not have any fkre resistance?! I really want to slap Bamco around for rushing this game out of the door like they did

>>381774383
Good. Look at that ugly piece of shit.

What is it with Dark Souls and having really nice looking fantasy armours, but the minute they stray from real-life weapons it's straight into retard reject town?

>>381774350
perhaps, or maybe he would've been simply relocated to the beginning/entrance of the area.

>>381774315
It's the antlers and the big hairy arm that stand out to me

>>381774025
>a hint
You Soulsfags are delusional. Do you also believe the Ancient Dragon having fur was a "hint" towards Bloodborne having werewolves?

Here's a legitimate hint: From Software are infamous for rehashing names, backstories and designs. That's all there is to it.

>>381774413
nope
His attacks are also not fire-based so stacking fire-resistance items does jack shit.

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>>381770181
It's one barneyfag-tier autist that spammed /dsg/ to death constantly for years. Of course there are probably other people that mimic him for laughs. 4KIngs is a badly designed boss, the entire game teaches you to plat slow, strategic, and be defensive but 4kings throws that out the window and fucks your ass if you play like that. It's still in the upper half of the Souls bosses in quality though, there are tons of shittier bosses.

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>>381774584
I did get a big Fat Official vibe from Chester with that hat/grinning mask.

>>381774383
4cucks should've been cut out of the game completely. As well as their shitty area and all those scarce bits of "lore" related to them.

>>381774584
I wouldn't call a man wearing a leather coat and top hat a rehashed design

>>381774584
Except Chester wasn't "rehashed" from anything. Bloodborne was in development when AotA came out and isn't using any directly from Bloodborne. He's not a character there, none of the armor exists in Bloodborne, he doesn't even use a gun.

>>381774736
OMG IS THAT SOME BLOODBORNE FORESHADOWING????

>>381774730
>It's still in the upper half of the Souls bosses in quality though
You know you're wrong and need to stop. Don't embarrass yourself.

>>381772802
What's wrong with DS3?

>>381774584
Are you fucking retarded? They were confirmed to have started development on BB right after AotA, meaning the ideas were definitely already floating around. Chester is the only character in the game that wears a victorian long-coat and tophat, he also wields a crossbow (the closest thing to a gun that wouldn't seem retarded in DaS) and does fucking Bloodborne side-dashes.

>>381774832
May as well been. Didn't some dev member say at some point that Bloodborne was pretty much going to be a great big Tower of Latria?

Wierd how Miyazaki says he hates making sequels yet he constantly references his own ideas.
It's understandable when it comes to DaS sequels because he doesn't give two fucks anyway.

>>381773304
UGHRAUGH
UGHRAUGH

>>381775006
The dragon bosses in Dark Souls are from King's Field

>>381765910
Defensive Shitter here

Iron Skin and a Lightning Weapon fucking melts these guys all the way up to NG+7. Literally no need to ever roll except against his grabs.

>>381775006
Platinum also has said they hate making sequels but continually reference their own games.

Wanting to make new things doesn't mean pushing the old out the window.

That said, there's a difference between Wonderful101 having a ship perform a Zandatsu and Miyazaki just reusing shit from King's Field.

>>381774956
Namco Bandai must not have liked that From were working with Sony so they demanded a Dark Souls 2

>>381774876
Maybe not upper-half but there are tons of worse bosses, I'll name a few off the top of my head.
>Graverobbers (the actual worst fucking boss in the series)
>Bed of Chaos
>Prowling Magus
>Rat Authority
>Rat Vanguard
>lmao 2kat
>Ancient Dragon
>Yorhm
>Wolnir
>Ancient Wyvern
>Moonlight Butterfly

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>>381774497
>What is it with Dark Souls and having really nice looking fantasy armours, but the minute they stray from real-life weapons it's straight into retard reject town?

What? You don't like killing the final boss of DaS2 with a statue of herself?

>>381765683
4 kangz wasn't too bad.

>>381775078
Oh shit yeah, not to mention the Moonlight Greatsword, is that lazy or is it cool with /v/ that it's been in every game?

>>381774832
Does he wear a long coat and do side dashes? No, but Chester does.

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>>381774156
It's an example of a bad "clusterfuck" type of a design.
Say, in Bloodborne, cosmic abominations are an example of a GOOD "clusterfuck" type of a design.
With 4fags it just... didn't work.

>>381775251
I fucking love this weapon and I don't give a shit what anybody thinks, it has the moveset of the OG greatsword, Dragon Bone Smasher. Looks dumb as hell though, why couldn't they at least have a sharp metal blade coming out of the relief sculpture?

>>381775267
It's cool since they've put it into EVERY game, including Armored Core, Ninja Blade, 3D DotGame Heroes, Otogi, Evergrace etc.

It's almost a shame that it isn't in Ku-on.

>>381775267
People weren't cool with DS3 recycling ideas from Demon's Souls and Dark Souls 1.

>>381775229
Throw 4shits above Graverobbers and you're golden.

>>381775374
Quiet? Not going to mention the unfinished later half? Okay

>>381775006
He simply only has so much creativity and can't come up with new things easily.

I remind you we're talking about someone who couldn't be arsed to write more than one-two sentences of flavour text for his game's items. Even fucking Bethesda isn't this lazy.

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>>381775229
>Graverobbers (the actual worst fucking boss in the series)
To top it off, they're just a reference to these shitheads.

>>381775378
Remember when Miyazaki said he considered "gross-out" design cheap and lazy? Yeah.

>>381775693
>Ebrietas
>"Gross-out"
She's a qt, you take that back.

>>381775693
and then there are faggots like Bloodstarved Beast etc.

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>>381775693
That's not what he said at all.

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>>381769756
this

>>381775378
for what purpose there are those wing thingies? For what literal purpose? If the design is supposed to not make any sense, why put on it something as plain as wing-shaped limbs?

>>381775229
Prowling Magus had a decent idea for a gank boss
>1 AoE casting dark magic throwing goat man
>Two healers that cast lightning spears
>Numerous slow floor crawling hollows
>A few up right walking hollows

Teaches the player to focus on everything in the room and not to use the lock on mechanic
The water pots at the side of the boss room provide lightning defense

Too bad it fucking lasts 10 seconds

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>>381775519
There is no way 4kings are anywhere near as bad as graverobbers. Even if the 4kings were genuinely the most poorly designed boss of all time they would still be better on the virtue of being an actual fucking boss, the graverobbers are literally NPCs wearing armor and weapons that ALREADY FUCKING EXIST.
>>381775693
That quote get taken out of context all the time, he said he didn't want to just have something like a dead dragon be writhing with maggots and stinking and rotten to be disgusting, he wanted it to have a certain air of elegance and the tragedy of a dead, once-beautiful, powerful creature. Ebrietas clearly echoes this philosophy, it's disgusting and terrifying but at the same time there is a clear, otherworldy beauty to Ebrietas. Said beauty isn't captured in this artwork as much as in game, but when you see her, especially during certain attacks, it's clear. He also clearly didn't mean that gross design is always bad, just look at the Valley of Defilement as a whole and all of it's bosses besides Vinland/Astraea.

>>381775927
To glide on the great cosmic aethers with a since lost art, you FUCK. Read a book sometime.

>>381775927
She can fly

>>381765683
>I have literally no skill or taste

>>381775886
>refinement is important to me
Meanwhile his games are still untested, underperforming messes with Q1-tier AI and unfinished shit all over the place.

Is Miyazaki a liar, or just incompetent?

>>381775927
It flies in multiple attacks. Also Ebrietas is a clear and obvious homage to Cthulhu, who has wings.

>>381776073
Refinement as in elegance, almost-aristocratic.

Not as in polish because no, none of that here.

>>381776049
why does she have to fly with those underdeveloped "wings"? I doubt those can work as wings even barely.

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>>381775985
>there is a clear, otherworldy beauty to Ebrietas
I want /mgqg/ to leave.

>>381776073
he clearly means in a design sense you twat

>>381776029
>To glide on the great cosmic aethers with a since lost art

>>381776049
>She can fly

They're are only two types of people

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>>381765683
>ITT: shit that ruined its respective game.

this fucker. Worst part of an already sub-par sequel

>>381776071
what does taste have to do with 4shits's case, care to explain?

>>381776073
Refinement in theme and aesthetic, you dense motherfucker. The Souls series is full of defiled characters still clinging on to every little bit of humanity and dignity they have left, that's what he means.

>>381776119
So instead of a realistically decomposing dragon, we get a low-fi, purple piece of shit that pukes jello all over the place as its only combat move? Real refined.

>>381776147
>slow, refined, graceful attacks and deliberate movements
>compared to most of the bosses' screaming and retard-strength flailing

Come on, it's obvious what they were going for. You can admit it without wanting to fuck it.

>>381776207
It's actually a good fight. People that don't like it have poor taste.

>>381775886
Are there scans of the English versions of Dark Souls artbooks?

>>381776313
don't forget its ass cloned multiple times and made into enemies for an ENTIRE fucking area.

>>381776369
It's not. It would have been a good fight if there was an actual arena, with actual positioning, and all four attacked at once.

As it is, it's a barebones telegraph-reading affair that's basically one-on-one unless you fuck up and bring a shit weapon.

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>>381776157
So refinement is important to him, but only in the imaginary feel-good scene, and not in the actual fucking execution? That's even worse.
>I want the designs in my head to be dignified
>but the actual end product can be whatever
You guys buy this hack's games.

>>381776369
>unironically using a term like "poor taste"
why do people speak in faggot slang so often?

>>381776369
Dude explain yourself, how is it good?

>>381776313
>purple piece of shit that pukes jello all over the place

Which in the case of the valley o' drakes one doesn't even really hurt you but staggers you even seconds after completely disappearing.

Also, there sure is a lot of dignity in having your rotten ass rampaging around in lava-filled Angkor Wat.

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>>381776489
Look at this last definition you fucking brainlet, god damn.

>>381776369
>4cucks
>good
pick one fucker.

>>381776459
The arena is the best part about the fucking fight. I love how their legs stretch endlessly into the void, and it really forces you to be careful with your positioning so you don't R1 empty air.

>>381768243
But then you would bitch the game is too easy.

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>>381775886
Gentlemen, behold DIGNITY.

>>381776652
Show me what is dignified about the undead dragons in DaS.

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>>381765683
What level of bad does one have to be to have problems beating the four kings? i did it on my first try and i'm not that good. Fucking moonlight butterfly gave me more shit by killing me the first time i went against it.

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>>381766547
Funny how this is his actual design.
Also, the Four King model in debug mode is called "Ja-Yearl Demon". Really makes you think.

>>381776684
Isn't that just the lack of reference due to technical limitations (3D plane rendered on a 2D surface)? E.g. a design error?

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>>381776794
>what is dignified about the undead dragons in DaS
pic related.
>"Bounding Demon"

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>>381776794
Still sticking to their post defending whatever it is they're defending despite literally coming apart at the seams, for one.

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>>381776794
Looks pretty dignified to me. I think its the posture.

>>381777110
>"dignified" and not "gross-out"
it's a literal decomposing corpse. Is Miyahacki fucking blind or what?

>>381777054
>dragon asses are defending the artificial First Flame despite that being linked to their undoing
>dragon in the valley of drakes is defending a sword from Astora
>dragon in the Painted World is defending its own glitched-out ass
Dignity.

>>381776962
Explain

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>>381776752
I'm not that type of anon that plays for the "difficulty"

>>381777220
The only blind one here is you

>>381777274
There are no "four" Kings. It's all badly corrupted Jar-eel or whatever his name in non-Engrish is. Also, Illuminati confirmed.

>>381777336
>can see the edges of the arena
Holy shit

>>381777220
It's supposed to resemble something elegant that has been lost

>>381777440
So that's why there is seemingly infinite of them? What did Kaathe see in him?

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>>381765683
>tfw this anime faggot is somehow in a game as gritty and dark as Souls
disgusts me.

>>381777440
Datamined, unused assets are not lore

>>381777597
>What did Kaathe see in him?
Bigass Soul, given by Gwyn.

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>>381777597
strategic placement.

>>381772225
ruin sentinels, crystal sage to an extent and the skellington lords

>>381777827
Lmao say that to Vaati's face.

>>381777959
at least unlike 4shits, the bosses you listed are actually cool.

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casul.
the Four Kings are one of the best and most underrated Boss in the series, their design and the mechanics of the fight is what makes it so damn good.

>>381778121
stop trying to reply to b8 with b8.

>>381770569
Thats because you're supposed to still attack them as they disappear or you get more than 4

>>381772582

they look like they exploded from within with humanity, same shit happened to oolacile fags but they were sort of alive still so they were full of mucus and other biological shit

>>381778170
You must hate the sea

>>381765683
>there exist r34 for this boss
lmao'd my ass off first time I saw it.

>>381770569
But once you do, holy shit, what a reward.

>>381778121
The most underrated boss fight in the series is that fuckoff boss gauntlet in King's Field 2 that ends in that 1 on 1 showdown that doesn't fuck around.

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>>381768243
>dark souls
>fair fights

>>381778394

I love the seashore

>4 Kings
This boss was laughably easy. I was so scared because everyone says this guy is tough. I go in with an enchanted great club and power within. I barely had to dodge, they do little to no damage, and you can easily kill them as they appear.

Nito was much more difficult (altho that's partly because I accidentally killed the blacksmith).

It's an okay fight, kill the boss and get the Soul, what's the problem?

>>381777827
EVERYTHING is lore when From Soft does it.

O&S AI makes them act like retards? They're scared of the Chosen Undead. Gwyn can be parried with no effort? Hollow. Things don't add up anywhere due to inconsistencies? Time is convoluted. And so on.

>>381765683
their theme sounds nice to me.

>>381778592
>Time is convoluted
actually, besides this you don't really need any excuses for pretty much EVERY inconsistence in this "series".

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>>381778592
>Gwyn can be parried with no effort? Hollow.

Don't understand why they didn't just patch this in an update

>>381778319
i'm not baiting, i'm serious, fighting these guys while fast rolling rather than decked in heavy armour like you faggots is some of the most intense and satisfying shit in the whole of the Souls series, fast rolling through their vertical and horizontal slashes is fucking orgasmic.

>>381776962
Well that guy looks like a proper Darkwraith boss. A shame they didn't use him, while I was fighting the 4kings I just thought it was a retarded flower with a sword.

>>381779125
Because it's lore, duh :^)

>>381779125
Because they intentionally made him parryable to begin with.

They just fucked up parrying as a mechanic. And blocking as a mechanic. Generally everything. And unlike Demon's Souls, they didn't just let it fly, so they trapped themselves into this hellhole of balancing.

>>381779142
They had to cut him due to time limitations, just like Artorias. However, Dark Souls was such a hit, that the publisher wanted them to finish the stuff that was left on the cutting room floor.

>>381779285
Well if nothing else, at least they fit kind of well into the blackness of the Abyss, it was fairly spooky.

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>>381779142
they look slightly better in properly made screenshots.

>>381775585
>DLC BOSS
>WOW DS2

>>381780057
Blame the publisher for telling the game devs to sell chunks of the game as downloadable content to scam the players.

DS3: The Ringed City was sold exactly a year later as the 'end of dark souls'. Namco Bandai are too greedy.

>>381780006
From really fucked up by having their lock on point so low. You barely ever see above their chests in game.

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>>381780323
>fixed this in Bloodborne
>went back to how it was before in Dark Souls 3
why does From do this

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>>381780323
>You barely ever see above their chests
Chests? Try abdomens.

this boss doesn't even fit into the game, it looks like something from a weeb hack & slash

>>381780418
The only reason Bloodborne had several lock-on points on certain bosses is because they were required for parrying/staggering them.

>>381768362
It kinda reminds me of tradition JRPG logic. Find a boss that's incredibly hard to beat? There's probably an item that trivializes the whole thing.

>>381780548
Well why didn't they bring that to Dark Souls 3 as well? It's a great mechanic.

>>381780606
they wanted ds3 to be 'just another dark souls game' they played it safe

>>381770219
>start fight
>big wind up on attacks
>standard roll in base wanderer gear
>immune to all damage
>pop some green grass and a resin
>never ever deal with more than 1 at a time, significant downtime between spawns

A reminder why exactly 4skins is the absolute worst "boss" in the entire Souls franchise:
- first, shit deviantart/tumblr-tier design;
- second, retarded DPS-based fight mechanics that makes the fight shitpiss-easy and breaks the game's main rule - to fight bosses with skill, a lot of attention and cunning approach instead of facerolling;
- third, absolutely and ultimately the WORST battle music of all the bosses in the game;
- fourth, the arena is fucking nonexistent - which makes it even more lazy and rushed than Izalith;
And in fact, many, many other shit.

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defend THIS.

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>Dark Souls
>A game that teaches you to approach every area with caution, study your enemy and make careful attacks
>Instant death if you try that on Capra and 4kings

Its frankly bad game design

Someone post the Chester vs Artorias webm

>>381781047
yeah. I never thought I'd say DaS 2 wasn't the worst in the series but I genuinely think 3 is a good bit worse than 2, especially with how much 2's DLCs redeemed it while 3's were just more of the exact same problems the base game had.

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>there are people in here right NOW who actually, unironically would say this "boss" has any positive traits
All of my welp.

>>381781446
Capra is fine. He teaches you to always be prepared and ready to react quickly, and to use the arena to your advantage. If you run up the stairs, the dogs get to you way before Capra and you can kill them both in 1 hit making the ensuing bossfight trivial. Only shitters hate Capra Demon.

>>381781446
>ever getting instant death with Capra
4king's is way more bullshit.

>>381781770
Fits the theme of the level. Worst boss in the game for worst level in the game

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>>381765683
Why is his body so feminine?

>>381781854
>that guy who had to use the staircase glitch to beat capra


Might as well summon if you're going to abuse exploits.

>>381781467
Someone set that up?

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>>381782012
>running up the staircase so that the dogs follow you and separate from Capra is an exploit
are you dense?

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>>381782012

>>381782162
>>381782343
Oh boy here come the justifications. Let me guess, you also run an int build and think you've actually beaten the game?

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Uhh I dunno but... Who else genuinely prefers Bed of Chaos over 4knots?

Like, Bed of Chaos at least has a bit of creativity and challenge behind it, and can be killed with whatever. But 4king is a retarded DPS race, which is something that really shouldn't be in a souls game which is based around 80% skill and maybe 20% equipment, although it can technically be 100% skill. Maybe it's not the worst boss in the series, but is definitely the worst of DaS1.

So, what do you think of it and how would've you improved it?

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>>381765683
The thing that I hate the most about this fight is how it fucks up my sense of distance. There have been so many cases where I could SWEAR that I'm like 1cm away from the dude and when I attack I just can't seem to reach at all. You literally have to be so close to the king that your nose touches him in order to hit. Another thing is that on my dex playthrough on NG+ I can't seem to be doing enough damage since the kings have like double the health, but I can probably fix that with some Gold Pine Resin and Power Within.

>>381782012
>staircase glitch
>abuse exploits
What the hell are you even talking about dude? I'm literally praying that this is bait. Why do you think the staircase is there in the first place? You know, let's just put a random staircase in there that leads to a dead end for no reason. Do you also think that climbing the ladder and dropping on Taurus Demon is a glitch and an exploit that you're actually not supposed to use?

>>381782438
Seriously, what are you talking about? The dogs are much faster than Capra, the staircase is clearly intended to separate them from the boss. Is using the pillars to separate Ornstein and Smough an exploit? Is plunging attack on Asylum Demon an exploit?

>>381782712
I don't have to change my build to get through Bed of Chaos so it was an infinetly better fight for me. Some of my runs simply could not beat 4kings without cheesing. Specifically my whip run. That shit was a nightmare.

>>381765683
Literally the easiest boss in the game

>>381782937
Low quality bait

>>381782937
that's not pinwheeler

>>381782886
>Some of my runs simply could not beat 4kings without cheesing
How do you even cheese these guys? Based on my own experience there doesn't seem to be much else to do other than two-hand your weapon, put on all kinds of damage boosters you can use and then just hit them like never before.

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>>381783186
>mfw I actually lost to Pinwheel once on my first playthrough

>>381783231
Throw on havels, iron flesh up, eat your greens, slap a damage buff on your gear and R1R1R1R1RR1R1R1R1R1R1R1RR1R1R1R

>>381782783
That's because there is no point of reference like a tell on their bodies where they're touching the "floor" so you can't judge the distance on the flat 2D pane of your monitor. It's a really basic design consideration, but for some reason it elduded Miyazaki and CO.

A simple shimmer or ghostly fog at floor level would have done the trick.

>>381765683
The best boss in the game? That shit was so fucking cool and unique. If you can't handle a little disorientation then don't bother jumping into the abyss.

>>381768362
>
What? I rolled and dodged on every playthrough through NG+6...never turtled anything. "Forced"?

>>381783402
>ghostly fog
>in the abyss, the literal void of vacuum

>>381777336
>tfw cant invade other players as the actual boss.

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>>381782438
>>381782012
>Glitch
>Using the intended environment to your favor is an exploit

>>381784583
>Can't win without cheating

You just need to git gud man

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>>381784312
you can cosplay it tho (lel)

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>>381778463
>thinking King's Field is part of the Souls series

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>>381781854
>first time fighting capra
>dogs kill me before he does
>second
>dogs still kill me
>go to /v/
>they tell me to use the stairs
>go to the stairs
>weapon too high, misses dogs, they kill me
>fourth
>wait for dogs at entrance, kill them, run to stairs
>go on ledge
>capra follows me and glitches onto the ledge, too
>die
>eventually just fucking spam attack in autistic rage
>kill the dogs, stunlock capra, win fight
That fight didn't teach me shit other than the simplest solution is usually the best.

>>381765683
The /vg/ autist trying to reach a new audience I see.

>>381785462
>/vg/ autist
has been absent for one and a half year if you didn't notice.

>>381767776
I like the bosses in the DaS3 I just don't like fact that a bunch of them have these long attack combos ao you just end up abusing i frames like crazy
Pontiff Sullyvahn
Lord of Cinder
Undead Legion
Dancer
Dragonslayer Armor
Gundyr

>>381785169
>Dies twice
>Goes to /v/ for help

Why not just a wiki?

>>381785669
He's not absent, he's lurking on /v/ instead, hence this thread.

>>381785686
There was a DaS thread going at the time and I thought they'd know more given the game was still freshly released.

>>381785763
and for what purpose would he make this one single thread in year if he's so manic, I wonder?
right, because it's not him.

>>381781137

Don't forget the ridiculous 5 minute corpse run back to the boss.

>>381785784
Ah I see

>>381786045
I also might be missing a few deaths in between since it's been quite a while.

Sen's Fortress, it isn't hard, just tedious and slows your progress to a crawl.

>>381785942
What's the references to 4shits and 4cucks and >>381777336 and the Kalameet MenasLG pic then?

>>381786373
dude, it's possible that you might have some serious problems. Also,
>Kalameet MenasLG pic
what's the literal specific problem with posting a random related picture?

>>381765910
literally any build with full havels can kill them easily

4King indeed sucks but Bed of Chaos is the definitive of horseshit.

>>381785673
It seems to me that people started playing DS in one of two ways, shield reliant or roll reliant. The latter found that DS3 gifted them for their efforts whereas the former get shit on round almost every corner (minus maybe two fights)

>>381765683
Everything after Lord vessel (not counting dlc)
-seath was a joke with a suppose to lose fight taked on
-the biggest threat neto gave was the re spawning skeletons during his fight
-four kings are basicly a damage test to see if you got the large ember
-Bed of chaos nothing needs to be said
-gwen easy to parry making him too easy of a final boss
thank god for the dlc