Overwatch Meta

stop playing it

Force random maps on tournaments.

>>381666062
Make the game more skill based but since that goes against the core concept of it all it cant ever really be fixed.

>meta is currently extremely highly mobile
>Roadhog hook nerfed

All you really need to do is pare down everything that slows down the game.
>Genji deflect
>Dva matrix shields
>everything else basically not used, who cares

it's probably the best the game has looked since beyblade meta.

>>381666062
When the hell did winston get to S tier? Did he get a buff?

>>381666612
Dive comp meta. Winston's shield and mobility is essentially to it.

>>381666612
He and D.va are the most mobile tanks in the game

>blizzard does their flavor of the month balance bullshit in games that aren't wow
lmao, fucking hacks

>>381666612
Dive comp and they made his shield start the cooldown on deploy instead of when it broke.

>hardcounter: the game

It is impossible to fix Checkers The FPS.

>>381666062
Uninstall Tumblr the Game.
Solved.

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>>381666062

McCree, Reinh, Road, Reaper, Hog this low. Nice trash tier list.

Stop nerfing shit and buff stuff instead, dumb fucks

>>381666062
Make a custom game.

increase everyone's speed by 50%

>>381666062
>blizzard balance

You cucks never learn

It'll never be fixed because the game relies on abilities and ults. There is always going to be a hero stronger than another because blizzard can't balance shit. Plus the lack of advanced movement and shooting mechanics doesn't allow people to carry even if they're good. The fact that blizzard is pushing this to be a top-tier E-Sports game is laughable.

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What's the one thing you notice about the meta right now? Besides Ana, Mercy, Zen (healers/debuffs) and Rein, everybody has movement mechanics/self-healing that helps them get in quick and take down single targets, or get away from the divecomp if deemed necessary. The only way to "fix" this is to give characters with little to no movement mechanics buffs so that they're able to handle the dive comp when they come running for you. There is no way for Torb to handle four people bearing down on his turret and himself at once. Besides MAYBE Mei and Zarya these characters have absolutely no chance at defending themselves as the game is currently way too dependent on high burst damage and taking out single targets for picks.

Best course of action is to stop worrying about competitive Overwatch and just play Quickplay/Arcade with friends. The only reason you should be playing Competitive is your first ten matches and then a few to get to a higher tier for a higher payout of golden weapon points. Trust me it's WAY less fucking stressful and way more enjoyable when you're just playing whatever hero you want and having fun with others who aren't taking things too seriously.

This is why every other shooter is better. You can solo the entire enemy team by yourself.

>>381666062
Get a competant balancing team instead of anyone employed by Blizzard.

>>381667467
also turn off all text chats

I haven't played competitive outside of the first ten matches in a year, but my friends and i play quickplay all the time
game is much more pleasant without having to listen to retarded people circlejerk

>tfw silenced for 5 months
xD

They already did. New reaper fucks dive. No Winston, no dive. And if Dva is trying to counter reaper, run sombra to shut her down.

Just wait for the rest of the player base to catch up. You'll see.

>>381666062
nerf the tanks, specifically rein
in fact just remove them
that won't happen though of course, and comp OW players will just have to deal with the shit meta, because there is no way they can balance this game for comp without pissing off the casual players, which makes sense given the LODSOFEMONE they drop on loot boxes

>>381667467
Comp is barely worth it at all, since almost all golden guns look godawful.
They've also gone on record saying they regret adding incentives into comp, so there's little to no chance of us getting more unique skins.

Every character in this game feels like a shittier, weaker version of a Tf2 character.

TF2: No Fun Allowed edition

>>381667869
>tfw you went back to TF2
>tfw you were looking for a new good shooter
>tfw the best one was right next to you all this time


CSGO is also good.

>>381668109
Same. Went back and fucked around as Engi and fell in love again. Then I played soldier on gravel pit and realized how much I hate Pharah

>>381668109
>CSGO is also good.
careful you'll trigger the random spread spergs with their seemingly inexhaustible supply of webms

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YOUR NERFS ONLY MAKE ME STRONGER.

Glad to see people realizing Tracer is a broken piece of shit with zero counters.

>>381666062
since when is the robot balls monk(i think zinatoru) playable? Tier 2? Did they buff him or something?

>>381668193
>tfw you have infinite fun with a new main in TF2
scout on insta2fort

>>381667869
TF2 is going to be TF2: no fun edition after the jungle update.

>>381666062
Nerf Winston shield duration or health. That hero is fucking stupid man.

>>381668227
I'd rather play CSGO than go back to OW.

Which I sometimes do. I could also play BF4 or whatever too.

>>381668265
Zen has been great for a long time now. He can easily 1v1 most if not all of the cast if you're good with him. A good Zen is fucking horrifying.

>>381666987
-mcree has zero mobility&survivability,inferior to the soldier76 and very easy to counter
-rein is inferiror to orisa after buffs.She can literally spam her shield
-roadhog nerfed he's just a ult recharge for enemy team
-reaper is very situational and cant flank everyone can hear his footsteps or teleport also very easy to counter

>>381668309
>not playing dead RInger spy on insta2fort

Scoot is good if you get onto the rampart though

>>381666062

Play paladins.

28 champions and more coming. Draft guarantees that more champions are played and picked and that one one champion becomes a "must play or you lose".

At least give us fucking mounts. It's a goddamn trek out to the front lines for no goddamn reason, and the wait to get out there makes casuals impatient. They stagger, die and everyone has a bad time outside of competitive.

>>381668529
I suck with spy. And they're gonna change the DR for the pyro patch if you've seen the notes.

>>381668659
>mounts
>when they nerfed the fuck out of the teleporter in beta

Blizzard has shit design choices. No idea why the respawn timer is a universal 5 seconds.

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>>381666062
>play modern Blizzard game
>expect balance

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>>381666062
>Increase roadhog's bullet damage slightly so he can instagib 200 hp heroes again and be more effective against dive
>Decrease cooldown on all of widowmakers abilities so she doesn't get dived and instantly fucked since the grapple cooldown is a hour long
>Decrease Mccrees damage falloff so he can actually deal decent ranged damage and be an alternative to soldier
>Make reaper's abilities quicker, teleport is too fucking slow and loud.
>Increase Mei's health or ability durations so she is more tanky and useful on defense/stalling
>Increase Torbjorn's turret firing speed and health, they're shit and die quickly. Level 1 turret is useless
>Remove Hanzo's bullshit scatter instagib arrows and make them deal area damage or stun for more area control and dive denial
>Give Symmetra's teleporter more, or maybe even infinite charges so the enemy has to focus it down
>Increase Junkrats clip size so he can deny areas without having to reload every 3 seconds

You are charged with giving Reaper an alt fire. What is it /v/?

>>381668992
Shoot both shotguns at once.

You ever notice there's breathing room in this game? In other games, you can hide for cover, wait and flank and still win, but in this game you can't because it lets the other team capture the point and such. It's too demanding and panicky.

>>381668992
short range shot that deals minor damage and slows briefly. uses half of his 4 shots

>>381669071
The problem is that there's always one objective. They need a multiple-point control map.

>>381668992
a lite version of his ult with him unable to move, uses all ammo

>>381666987
but it's literally based off pro tournament usage

golds pls leave

>>381669065
This

>>381668992
He sprints quietly.

>>381669168
Wouldn't work in this game because of hardcounters and the low skill ceiling, the game is heavily reliant on teamwork and sticking together.

While in other FPS you can solo the entire team.

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>>381666062
D.Va is the most fun tank anyway.

Reinhardt slows the game to a crawl and trivializes pretty much everything in the game to a basic block in hole toy.

At least D.Va and winston actually do shit.

>>381666062
>Lucio has had above 95% playrate across all modes and all maps in all team comps since beta July of last year

Why does Blizzard think this is okay? Is someone there a nigger lover?

>>381669336
its the speed boost. Too good.

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>>381668992
He doesn't need an alt-fire, he needs a reduction in the time it takes to warp and a reduction in cooldown for the ability. Increase Wraith Time's speed by 30% and lower the amount of time he can spend in Wraith by 25% so it's not a "just fucking follow me and kill me" move and more like an actual escape tactic.

>>381669336
Character is broken on a fundamental level. They'd have to more or less rework him from the ground up or completely remove speed boost.

You do nothing
Complaining all heroes are not used is like complaining all guns don't get used in CS GO

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>>381668234
I'll admit Tracers are probably the only offense hero I'm ever really concerned about when they're on the enemy team besides Pharah.

But at the same time, I feel like her innate weaknesses make fighting her pretty democratized. She's very reliant on you not being able to shoot her and she can't hide behind something like deflect.

I'll play a lot of Zen if I'm on healing duty. At effective, Tracer can cut through me in a second.

People complain about Sombra and Reaper, but in general, Overwatch heroes are loud as hell. I can hear Tracer trying to run around the team from halfway across the map.

Discord her, force her use her blinks, or force her to recall. If she recalls, you should already know where to be aiming.

>>381668992
A shadow dash that can only be used horizontally. If it hits an enemy it deals 1.5x normal melee damage.

Gives him more mobility and helps him flank

>>381669336
Basically, they wanted to make a game with regenerating health.

>>381669336
They dont know how to nerf him or what even makes him overpowered.
Combine this with pretty much every good Lucio player feigning ignorance and refusing to give feedback and you have the situation we're in now.

Lucio has godlike mobility, good healing and a knockback. He's a support that's almost impossible to kill who can instant kill people if they ever go near a ledge.
Mercy just hides until she needs to res, otherwise shes the first one to die.
Ana just sits 8 miles away shootin heals at people until she gets killed by Tracer\Genji.

Lucio is the only support who can actually play up front with everyone else and contribute.

>>381669495
All guns in csgo shoot bullets and aren't as dynamic as OW abilities and classes though.

Plus both teams in CSGO has access to the best gun in the game, the AWP.

>>381669594
The knockback should have a charge up time like 2 seconds.

>>381669336
>>381669431
The problem is his survivability, not his healing or speed rate. Lucio's mobility and sustain is way too fucking high for a support hero, they need to make it so he doesn't gain the boosts during Amp It Up at all, only his allies.

>>381669637
Both teams in CS GO do not get all the same guns
Both teams in OW get all the same heroes

>>381668659
I've been playing Paladins and am now thinking about getting Overwatch.

The balance is pretty shit. Most characters are probably "viable" but there's one or two that are objectively the best for each role.

>>381669504
Tracer isnt really a problem because she has very clear counters. It's just that right now they are out of meta (McCrea and Hog).

>>381667467
I have no idea why Blizzard can't seem to balance the game so that teams on attack and defense aren't using the same team comp.

>What if we made area-denial DPS heroes and called it the defense class?
>Wow they're literally just worse DPS heroes, how were we supposed to know that killing enemies is better than blocking them?

>>381669846
did they ever fix the hitboxes in paladins?

Its disappointing that Blizzard creates characters first and applies game design logic second.

Speed Boost is core to Lucio's concept as a character, and has tons of art and voicelines to support it so they will never remove it from his kit even though its broken as fuck.

>>381669594
The knock back is maximum cancer. Why does a support have an instant kill move that works in half the maps?

>>381669759
I don't think it's a matter of mobility, it's more a matter of wonky hitboxes. Lucio is not too fast in terms of movement.

>>381669935
They claim they're not broken as far as I know. Can't really compare to Overwatch yet, having only played it in the beta.

Tried playing it on ps4 with friends and the controls are fucking dreadful though, sensitivity and aim assist all out of whack.

>>381669336
There's probably a reason why Valve kept group-healing powers in TF2 to things that are static like dispensers or the Vita-Saw taunt, or that move along a very specific line like payload carts.

On top of that, maps that aren't payload escort like 2CP or King of the Hill are pretty much 80% dead space. Moving your team from spawn to where you can engage the enemy team, and also keep health up in claustrophobic capture point skirmishes is absolutely essential.

>>381669976
The business plan is to constantly create heroes to gain publicity and to force people to buy boxes.

>>381670082
Because they wanted him to have one, and didn't think about balance issues.
Lucio's kit is insane compared to other supports, Mercy just waddles around holding her stick for fucks sake, MAYBE flying to an ally in a barely faster dash in a predictable straight line.

>>381670126
I mean, to be fair though, nobody in Overwatch is really too fast. Tracer barely runs faster than tanks.

>>381669976
Thing is that they refuse to nerf other aspects of his kit. Remove his healing. Remove his knock back. Tone down his gun damage.

But no, they want to give him the most overloaded kit in the game. No other hero in the game has as much versatility and utility as him that I suspect he's the creators pet.

>Blizzard is ok to give characters the banhammer except it's Lucio

I don't understand.
Then again, they turned McCree to "Fuck up tanks" even though they wanted him to fuck up mobility/low health characters or whatever it was. It was in a very early match, I haven't played Overwatch for a few months
They don't know what they're doing

>>381669853
Neither McCree nor Hog are reliable counters to Tracer. You need a high-skilled McCree to beat a mediocre Tracer. And a good Tracer can end the fight as she pleases through blink and recall. In a 1v1 Tracer is the stronger character.

The new Hog might actually have a better chance against Tracer but the old Hog had a hard time. Catching an Tracer who's bullying your healers is possible, but reliably catching a good Tracer that is aware of Hog's position is more or less impossible. Tracer will simply farm Hog for ult and run away when she has enough.

>>381666062
Make a generic moba style pick + ban mode.
It's already evident that Blizzard want to make alternate heroes, like with Rein and Orisa, so ultimately something like this would see more heroes being played.

>>381670532
Wouldn't that just end up in hard counter stomps?

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>meta

>>381670521
All defense heroes besides the snipers need to be dramatically buffed.
>>381670532
They dont have enough characters to support this, it would just be Tracer\Orisa\Lucio banned every game.

>>381670639
Yeah, there are not enough heroes to balance it. DotA has 100+ and it works great but Overwatch has 24?

>>381670262
I never understood why they didn't turn mercy's Lshift into a short dash with a 2s cooldown or something. Forcing her to be tethered to teammates just means she's either tailgating Pharah or hiding in the corner.

>>381666062
>dva tier 1
>rein tier 4

truly these are the darkest days

>>381666062
>winston in S tier

How?

>>381670919
Super long time ago they talked about having her do a sudden lift off straight up and blow back enemies close to her, she also had more control descending as well.

>>381666062
>using pro palyers as balance
Fuck this meme.
You think Winston is OP now? Fuck this retarded shit.

>>381670991
>>381671029
Dive comp. It's the best strategy at the moment because all of it's counters are shit tier heroes. Reinhardt gets fucked if a whole team bounces on him, he's currently only used on payload in tournament play.

>>381666062

Make offensive teams value sustainability and holding a point more than just team wiping and taking the point uncontested.

Also make it so the best defense isn't a good offense.

>>381671029
Sheild always up, gets his ult quickly, good damage on supports, big jump on a short cooldown. He's insanely strong, and his shield is really disruptive. Combined with the fact that Dva can defense matrix him so he always can kill a support without dying, and that Ana can't do anything through defense matrix or bubble like sleep darts or biotic grenades.

>>381670786
I'm not sure whether the defence heroes need to be generally buffed. They can be quite strong in the right spot. They lack versatility and are shut down too easily by their counters.

>>381671029
Muh dive meta

>>381671029
the meta is diving on hero and blowing them up. Winston is godlike at this.

>>381671259
>Symetra turrets require two hits to destroy, nerf her beam to lose charge when switching targets
>Give Bastion a Smokescreen cloud in Recon mode
>Give Torb a buildable wall he can repair
>Mei Ice wall lasts longer
>Junkrat steel traps have a much larger activation range now, pulling targets from a farther distance and rooting them in place.

Defensive playstyles are borderline non existent now, its so much easier to just play offense v offense.

>Play a bunch of Lucio games this morning
>Every game my team complains that I need to switch because "Lucio is shit"
>Carry my teams ass with environmental kills and well-timed ultimates
>"LUCIO IS STILL SHIT THE OTHER TEAM WAS JUST WORSE"

When did people start calling Lucio shit? He's always been top tier.

>>381671835
Muh off healer.
They're dumb and wrong. He's always good. His heals are amazing and well timed amps are way better than what other healers can output, except maybe Ana.

>>381671835
Are you playing bronze? This never happens in master and higher.

>>381666062
>thinking a Blizzard game's meta is fixable and not lopsided by design
keep threading the wheel, little mouse
next patch will fix it, like always ;))))

>>381672076
*tips fedora

>>381666062
For starters, quit thinking that what the esports faggots do actually matters. Every single match I play as Orisa, I end up winning. Likewise, I regularly beat Winstons or lose to Meis. The "meta" hardly matters outside of professional play.

>>381667467
nice blog post. if only you put this much effort into your life, you wouldn't be arguing about video games on the Internet

>>381671690

It's not just about making defense better, it's making defense matter to both teams.

Dive comps are popular because as long as you team wipe once that's a guaranteed capture of a point, and usually the game to follow. Payload is a similar principle. Defensive playstyles don't just feel shitty right now, they're not valued in a way that offensive teams would ever need to consider building around because there's no reason to defend if everyone dies first.

It's easy to just blame Lucio, Genji, and Tracer for being fundamentally overpowered, overly mobile characters, but this is just a disease of the game. Defense can either be highly rewarding but risky because once it's penetrated, you have to scramble, or mediocre/weak but you have multiple chances to recapture/regroup.

But offense is more exciting for SHOUTCASTING and for players so nobody gives a shit.

>>381666062
>How do we fix it?

You can't. I just play QP, arcade, and custom games.

>>381672294
This.
This is why we should stop paying attention to this 6man 24/7 training by nearly perfect players.

>>381672294
Post rank, if it's below GM your opinion will be discarded.

>>381666062

>Counter-Ultimate abilities
>Mostly belong to supports, tanks, and offence
>Healing blocking
>Currently belongs to a healer (???)
>Abilities that ignore barriers
>Mostly belong to tanks (????)

Defense heroes need these things. Defense Heroes should be the masters of shutting down Ultimates, stopping healing, and destroying/bypassing shields. Either rework them, or add utility to their current kit that didn't exist. (IE Junkrat's bombs now do bonus damage to barriers, Mei "freezing" a barrier makes it take extra damage, enemies can't be healed while in Junkrat's trap, poisoned by Venom Mine, Frozen, etc.)

>>381673290

thank god you do not work for blizzard

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>top 1% rein last year
>stop playing
>my boy is now literal garbage tier
i-its just not fair

>>381666062
Lucio is fucking S tier in HotS too. Way too strong a support.

>>381666062
>Winston
what went so right?

>>381674421

Honestly none of those things would be enough make Defense heroes viable, much less overpowered. It'd just make them slightly less bad at their supposed job.

>>381666062

Make an anti-barrier hero.

Give everyone 2 Ultimates.

Let people expend their ult charge to power up their moves which to them different properties.

>>381666062
I'd say buff defense heroes as they have the potential to stop mobile heroes but Quickscoping Widow and Shield Bastion/Ironclad35% Bastion was too much for pubs.