Nocturne

You do it right before the last dungeon

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PS If you looked up on the internet how to fuse Uzume and actually grinded to 18 (way overleveled for that point in the game) solely to use her for the Matador fight, you are a filthy fucking casual.

Buy the demon from the seller in the first kalpa. Leave and don't bother going back for a while.
If you think you're going to lose all your progress there's no point putting time into it.

Right lads - so was Chiaki representative of law or chaos? All that talk of the strong ruling over the weak sounds like chaos, but she was surrounded by angels.

>>381643670
>way overlevelled
>Matador is level 30

>>381643670
oh fuck off cunt. 18 isnt overleveled at all. If anything its what you should be at.

The first kalpa is perfectly doable after you beat matador. There's one weird area and that's it.

>>381643670
>Uzume
>when you can get fucking nozuchi at level 14
Nozuchi with absorb force trivializes matador.

>>381643670
Uzume isn't even that difficult of a recipe

>>381643906
Lawful evil :^)

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>>381643670
Not other peoples fault that Nocturne is a casual game that still enables grinding.

I'm stuck at Zenki and Goki help

>>381643334
I don't remember the first kappa having end game demons, pretty sure I beat it early in the game. Maybe it's just that one area?

>>381645396
Isn't it the one with the incredibly ominous demon corridor thing?

Can I get rid of Heat Wave? Phys build MC with no points in Vit, and Heat Wave does absolutely fuck-all for damage. Fire/Ice Breath and Tornado all hit harder.

Need to get rid of something for Focus. My skills are
Ice Breath, Fire Breath, Tornado, Heat Wave, Tarunda, Sukunda, Media and Counter.

>>381645490
World of strength is by a wide margin his best build.

>>381645490
Nigger what are you gonna use focus on without phys skills?

>>381645442
Yeah where moving makes you take an asston of damage. OP is probably retarded for not noticing he wasn't supposed to be there.

>>381645552
I'm putting all points in Str/Agi/Luk, and none in Mag/Vit. The thing is apparently Heat Wave's damage formula is based off of your Vit so it's fucking useless, but a quick look on the internet shows that everyone swears by how good it is. Hell, Berserk was a better skill.

>>381645490
counter is shit, having more then 1 buff is shit. Your support demon should have all the buffs/debuffs and heals. too many magic spells. only tornado is good there

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>>381645490
>phys build
>no attacks

>>381645596
In Nocturne, Focus only affects the first enemy hit by an attack that targets all enemies, or so I've heard.

>>381645658
The spells aren't for damage, they're for coverage for extra Press Turns. Between Fire/Ice/Force getting extra turns is pretty handy.

>>381645640
Pump points into vit too, you should get all your stats by 30 at the end of the game because masakado does the rest, except luck but that's only good for holy shot build.

>>381645730
getting press turns shouldnt be demi fiends objective, he should be hitting hard if hes a strength build like you said. Thats what your demons are there for.

>>381645640
A point in Luck is a wasted point in Nocturne.
It only affects Magic Accuracy, Escape Chance (if you are playing on Normal), and Ambush Chance and only to an incredibly minuscule degree.
Dunno why you went big on Str if you don't even carry and Physical skills though. If you just wanted to invest in Str for the lategame Freikugel memes then that's kind of a waste since you'll have enough points to max out 2 or 3 stats by the time you get there anyways.

>>381646029
>It only affects Magic Accuracy, Escape Chance (if you are playing on Normal), and Ambush Chance
Crit rate and ailment resistance too, high luck nets a lot of crits with high crit rate skills.

>>381643906
No traditional alignments in Nocturne. The angels side with Chiaki because her worldview suits them best (order, hierarchy, purpose).

>>381646117
>Crit rate and ailment resistance too, high luck nets a lot of crits with high crit rate skills.
Nope, not in Nocturne. Luck does absolutely zero for your crits (that's all Agility) and has no impact when it comes to ailment affliction or resistance. Most people think it's bugged but it's the case in every single release of the game so who the fuck knows.

>>381646136
Nah, Chiaki is pure chaos, survival of the strongest and the fittest, Hikawa is basically law with the world of stillness and then Isamu and teacher are flavours of neutral.

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>>381645190
>Playing SMT1

>>381646029
>Dunno why you went big on Str if you don't even carry and Physical skills though
My regular attacks hit really hard (~90 damage) for no cost. In Nocturne you don't even get single target MP-efficient spells at the start of the game so I'd assume a Mag build would fuck you over. Thinking about spamming Fire Breath in a long boss fight sounds like a pain given your small MP pool even with a Mag investment

Heat Wave on the other hand does like 29-30 damage because I have no points in Vit (the attack's power depends on your max HP), and Heat Wave does NOT go off of your Str stat. That's why I'm asking if I should get rid of it.

First play through here, a little stuck on Thor. Figured my best party would be Archangel, Momunofu, and Lilim (for null Elec on party-wide Elec attacks and debuffs)

Also, how do I get the Freedom ending? I don't want any fucker thinking they know what's best for the universe.

>>381646248
The angels exist in a hierarchy and follow orders from those above them, to smite the unworthy and all that. They have no place in the other possible worlds.

>>381646538
>Lilim
That's like a Level 8 demon. Low level demons who you happen to level up a lot are hit hard by diminishing returns.

I think Nozuchi's evolution (Gui Xian) is immune to Elec.

>>381646538
tell everyone else to fuck off but be good to the teacher

>>381646638
Speaking of which, why the fuck does Lilim evolve into Lilith if its literally 70 levels past her base level?

>>381647217
Why would you pause Pixie's evolution? Other than waifu purposes

>>381647217
This image is fucking stupid because Nocturne is the only SMT game where the MC doesn't have a comp to summon demons.

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How the fuck do I stop her and her goons?

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Finished SMT#FE.

NG+ is gonna be good.

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>>381643334
So I bought the Lucifer's Call version a few months ago off the UK PSN, but only found out like a couple weeks ago that it had a game breaking bug.

How the fuck is knowledge of this bug so obscure?

Should I purchase the game again off the US store?

>>381647840
What's the bug, anon?

>>381647840
I don't know the details, something about the game freezing during a cutscene towards the end.

>>381648069
meant for >>381648041
fucking hell

>>381647840
Isn't that an emulator bug?

>>381648069
Oh, well shit. It's a PSN version bug that wasn't present on PS2.

Did they not test their fucking game?

>>381648218
I heard it happens with the European version on the PS3.

>>381649620
Playing through Nocturne right now after having finished Persona 5. I don't think comparing the two is fair given how dated Nocturne is, but Persona DEFINITELY shits on Nocturne when it comes to demon negotiations.

>>381651151
Anything does. Soul Hackers and both IV have better negotiations

>>381648250
>It's a PSN version bug that wasn't present on PS2
No, it's present on the disc as well.
I beat the final boss, but it freezes during the transition to the ultimate boss.

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>post yfw "the flames of the candelabrum of sovereignty are flickering wildly..."

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>>381651561
>"stay in the area?"
>"ARE YOU SURE?"

>>381646638
Gui Xian is weak to Electricity you goof

First time Nocturnebaby here

So I'm assuming the Labyrinth of Amala is optional shit right? At what levels should I be going in there? I haven't even bothered with it, I'm at Ikebukuro now.

Reminder: P4G > SMT1 >>> the rest

>>381652513
Yes, it's completely optional. You do not need to go through a single level as far as I'm aware.
However, to get a certain ending you must complete it. If you want the benefits of the labyrinth without getting your ending locked, don't go down the elevator after fighting Metatron

>>381646538
OP here, just beat Thor.
He was really easy; he doesn't have Dekunda or Dekaja so go crazy with the nerfs/buffs. I had a Raiju (level 25) who drains Elec too.

Fog Breath and War Cry trivializes the game, even on Hard. Just get Daisoujou too and you will never have any real problems.

>>381652794
... But he does have Dekunda and Dekaja.

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>>381644219
>not being level 12 when you beat Matador
Grinding is for faggots

>>381652920
Never used them on me. He was at -2 all stats the entire fight and never fixed himself.

>>381653038
Its funny how Kaneko's human designs make them look a lot cooler than what they probably should look like. Like the Demi-Fiend is a scrawny teenager wearing boyshorts and goofy shoes. I guess Doi's version (while a lot less flattering) is about closer to how he should look

>>381652920
>>381653141
From what I remember enemies generally don't reset buffs/debuffs unless you go to the max.

>>381647612
I charged and unloaded on her to the point where she didn't get a chance to recover and summon her demons.

>>381653402
I +2'd on attack with Archangel on Thor and he Dekaja'd me

>>381647840
i bought and beat the us ps2 classic version. no real bugs. i had roughly 3 lockups that forced a soft reset from inside the emulator, but each time it was just 30 seconds of loading a save, so it was inconsequential. great game, thread makes me wanna pull out the ps3 but im in the middle of cleaning my pc to play.

Dante is mob cleaning madman. still semi useful in the true ending route.

>>381643906
The Mantra were totally chaotic since they put in place the might makes right rule because they thought fighting was fun. Chiaki however, wanted the strong to survive so that they could create a beautiful world, which means that she hoped the intial chaos of her reason would subside.

Basically, Chiaki did nothing wrong.

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Matador is easy, you're going to get raped by the other fiends who are actually hard.

You dirty casual.

>>381655470
Matador and Trumpeter are the only hard Fiends.

With Matador, you need to grind to fuse Uzume and with Trumpeter, you need to figure out his dumb gimmick.

The other Fiends can be beaten with the same buff and debuff tactic that every other boss can.

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>>381655706
Toot Toot

>>381647612
kill ose and ignore the other one

>>381655706
>you need to grind to fuse Uzume
Except you don't.

>>381649620
>p5>nocturne
i bet you like undertale faggot

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>>381655706
>With Matador, you need to grind to fuse Uzume

>>381656861
Delete this.

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>>381656861
just... what- what were they... thinking....

>>381656861
>>381657547
>>381657923
nice samefag

>>381657923
Persona brings in more money, so Atlus puts more effort into it. That's not a comment on the quality of either franchise, but simply what's more marketable nowadays.

>>381656861
>dude graphics lmao