>Hey Anon, ready to tank Karazhan?

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>>381630380
>tank kara
>wearing gear for doing ssc

:thinking:

I miss the day of retarded mismatched armour and no transmog
Now even if they removed transmog, everyone would look the same thanks to the "lets make 1 set and just recolour it for each class" philosophy

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I'm trying /v/. I'm trying to get back into it but I just can't

>>381631085
Why is this the fate of all video games so far? Why are all games so uncreative now? Why are they so sub par aside from graphics now? Where's the love? Where's the care? Where's the drive?

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>>381631458
>Where's the love? Where's the care? Where's the drive?

new (((owners))) only care about profit margins
no creativity allowed

even kojima had to break away from (((the menace))) impeding his creative freedom

>>381631316
>orc warlock

well there's your problem

>>381630380
FFXIV > WOW

>>381631634
Absolutely disgusting.

>>381631458
Because most MMO developers are system designers and not world designers.

The core to a good MMO is persistant, open world, log in and play gameplay, but most MMOs focus on these system designer wet dreams of dungeon queues for shitty points to grind infinitely for a chance at good items because it preys upon people's gambling addictions.

>>381631648
elaborate

>>381631685
FFXIV = Modern WOW

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>>381631695
ANUDDA SHOAH

>>381630380
Is there a good TBC server? Been screwing around in Elysium. Can't wait for them to start 2.0

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my WoD outfit was pretty sweet

legion any good or is it just pandering?

>>381631648
I like it

>>381631832
Its more of the same
>Grind world quests infinitely
>Grind weekly M+ for a chance at loot
>Grind raids to increase your ilvl more
>Finally progress into heroic/mythic
>next patch resets all your progression to zero due to catch up mechanics offering better gear then previous tiers.

>>381631809
This. I've played the game for a few months now on and off, I adore the way they do their professions but for every good thing like that, there's dozens of other things that just feel wrong, the combat feels slow, the story is Final Fantasy with YOU being the one in a sea of other THE ONES. I wish both WoW and 14 would fuck off with that THE ONE shit.

>>381631085
Part of me loves transmog as an idea (I quit before it ever came out) as I love some armour specifically and don't wanna be gimped. The T2 Paladin Armour on Blood Elves, specifically females, is amazing.

On the other side? Getting a full set of something and all it's bonuses was considered something to applaud. I got my mate full Tier 0.5 and that took a lot of effort. It made getting proper raid gear easier. Nobody did it really due to price.

Getting good armour which matches is also fun. Sets are great but lazy remodels aren't. Vanilla was perfect in this regard, everybody got unique sets and the recolours were just kept to a minimum (0.5 was a recolour of Tier 0 I think).

The only MMO I am looking forward to is Lost Ark Online and even then I suspect it'll be completely shit for the Western release and or P2W garbage or P2NotGrind tier like Archage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAmn4x2r-O8

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>>381631962
Legion has potential to whiplash engaged NEETs in ways that would have WoD purists blush. The Garrison gold farm nerfs won't have jack shit on a 7.3 that will likely puke AP at returning players.

The mental gymnastics to approve of that will put WoWfans in the literal dictionary definition of Cuck.

>>381631962
bullshit

>>381631832
WQs are honestly optional after you've finished your order hall campaigns
You can endlessly grind M+ if you want to, but the gear tops out after a +15key, so you dont need to do anything above that, and with the new changes M+ gearing is piss easy
You can gear through M+ as well as Raids

>>381632254
And just like the last 3 expansions, all those endless repetitive mythic+ and raids you grinded for will be moot when some LFR hero gets better gear then you do just for farming welfare 'catch up' gear.

>>381632485
"No."

>Sylvanas
>Joining the Horde
>Actually helping the Belfs
>Belfs joining the Horde
>Farsrtriders actually allowing this to happen and not rebelling
>Draenei
kekistan

>>381631458
I'd rather take the one set recolours than the shitshow in the OP

>>381631648
extra pet damage tho

Anyone know any good Vanilla, TBC, or Wotlk private servers?

Been craving some WoW recently, and want to start new rather than resubbing for retail.

>>381632845
Of course you would. I bet you also believe in class fantasy and no one being better than another?

Nice 'mog, dude!

>>381632205
>Will puke AP at you
Good, I hope so. It makes it so much easier to level alts. Look, the only actual fun that has ever come out of this autistic game is two things
Pvp and raiding with your buddies, leveling is trash, it has always been trash. The AP grind is stupid and makes it difficult to even change specs, it was one of the worst design decisions I've ever seen in my life and we all know the only reason blizzard did this was to artificially slow down the highest raiders by artificially nerfing and buffing specs so they wouldn't be able to fly through raiding content and quit till next patch like they used to do.
The time lock on Garrison missions is shit and the rep grinds are shit.
The Diablo loot system that has destroyed any uniqueness to legendaries and made them a necessity is shit. I hope they buff legendary droprates to ease the grind.
I just want to get to the end of each patch asap so I can have fun raiding. The people who honestly complain about the shitty grind being made easier I can only imagine are either actual NEETs and or genuinely retarded

>>381633313
I actually enjoyed the cata quest immensely and had genuine fun leveling unlike in vanilla

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>>381631316
your image brings back memories of this pic I took ages ago of my 39 twink.

rip in pieces

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>grinded and crafted BIS gear on release weekend that I wore for all of Kara, SSC, TK, BT and Hyjal

Spriest life.

>>381633089
Wotlk-Dalaran or Shillmane
TBC-Wait for Gummy or Shillmane
Vanilla-Gaylysium

>>381632015

The solution to this is obviously just for Blizzard to design armor sets that don't look like arse.

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>>381630380
Come home, we all miss you

>>381630380
>tfw you spent weeks running Heroic Mechanar for a tank friend because he could not get the 12% drop chance Suneater sword so he could tank Kara

>tfw in those weeks of running H Mech daily you got so good at chain-seducing, chain-enslaving, chain-fearing, and chain-banishing that you could solo half the dungeon in beginner Heroic gear on your Warlock

And that was back when Heroics were actually hard. Every group HAD to have 3 CCers minimum, so Shamans and Paladins were always crying that no one wanted them because every group needed a Sheep, Sap, Fear/Banish/Enslave/Seduce to keep half the mob packs busy while your group focus-fired Skull, then X.

>tfw you were never guilded with tank bro and gave zero fucks about raiding, but he still talked his guild into running you in a few Kara and SSC runs

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>>381633583
>drossreefer
>>381631316
>lorctrec

>>381633665
Whats the population like on that Dalaran server?

>>381633819
Take me back, Sylvester. I'm ready.

>>381633865
looking back at it I was a dirty memer troll
I've never smoked pot in my life though.

>>381633847
Thats what I miss the most about old WOW.

Because grouping wasn't automated you got to know people, and that connected you to the community.

The last fun guild I ever had was in WOTLK when they pugged me for Onyxia 25 and I put their rogues to shame.

>>381633898
No idea haven't played in ages probably pretty low. Folks say its decentish though since they're releasing ICC

>>381630380
I WILL NOT MOVE.

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>Recently re-sub just because I felt like my old Vanilla guy needed more love and I had a Meta Achievement to finish and I had that itch to play

>my face when seeing what the fuck they did to this game

>>381633583
49 Twink Shaman was the most OP in the game during TBC. I was hated due to mine, I had the best gear possible bar 1 item, which was Leggings of the Vault drop.

>TBC Shamans
>They gained Spell Power based on their AP due to Enhancement talent
>There was a weapon called Fist of the Damned from Sunken Temple
>It was like +5STR +11STA and it wasn't too fast
>It also had a Proc "Chance of Hit to Drain 20HP from target" or 30HP I forget
>What it didn't say is the Proc took your Spell Damage into effect
>So with my Twink Shaman the Proc did 230 Damage, healed me for 230 damages.
>I had two of these, with Windfury
>I then put Crusader on them both, for +150HP heal per proc and +100STR per proc, which in turn boosted the Fist of the Damned drain damage due to STR=AP
>I also managed to get Kang the Decapitator axe WITH Savagery enchant for 250g
>I also had x2 Flurry Axes with Life Drain on them (some girl gave it to me for free and got upset when I talked about replacing it, so I didn't do it).

I then ran around with Mongoose potions raping people. If it wasn't for mana and fighting Twink Prot Warriors, I'd never have died.

Before I found this out I had a Twink 49 Warrior, played it so much I had the Battle Standard as well. I also had loads of Lv.59 twink's including a Disc Priest (but I forgot to buy spells for its Shadow Word and didn't do that great). I then stupidly levelled them to 60 when WotlK traits came out (bar Shaman Twink) and then quit.

Oh and then my account got hacked and they basically deleted them all.

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>>381631648
>Not being an orc warlock
Fuck outta here boi.

>>381631648
the most canonically powerful warlock is a fucking orc

>>381633819
FLAP FLAP FLAP DOOM
RAAAWWWWWRRRRRRR
FLAP FLAP FLAP
I kind of miss it.

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>>381633819
>Furiously typing your name and password so the loud RAWR doesn't blast on your speakers late at night waking up your entire household while you stay up past bedtime to play WoW when you have high school in the morning.

>>381634417
I had a pimped out 39 hunter
pretty much had BiS though I never got the 4.0 speed weapon from that one dungeon (I wanted the highest damage raptor strike possible)
Hunter was OP as fuck so I would use troll builds wearing wizard robe and hat and a savagery enchanted Staff of Jordan and jump at people and raptor strike them to death. The cloth wasn't even that bad since int was still +1 ap back then.

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>>381634853
>being so retarded that you dont know what a volume slider is by the time you're in high school

>>381634853
>not knowing how to turn down your speakers

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>>381631832
Played legion from the launch until January.
Don't bother, anon.

Wod was better, YES WOD WAS BETTER.

Unless you like having everything locked behing stupid timegates and retarded grind.

>>381634923
I did 39 Rogue for a bit then levelled him to 70. I also had access to my mates Lv.39 Paladin Twink. He had Pendulum of Doom, which was the 4.0 speed weapon, I think. I can't remember why it was needed for Paladins or what ability it was needed for.

>>381633546
Oh, ew. I left in cata. There was exactly one time where I sort of enjoyed leveling. And that was in wotlk because you could just spam dungeons and they were very story heavy so they were entertaining. Other than that, I've disliked leveling. The raids in cata were fun though, at least the little time I spent in them. My favorite was throne of the four winds

>>381635064
I generally enjoyed leveling in WoD. The silver enemies scattered across the map made me want to explore again, and the rewards were more substantive than order hall resources and maybe some artifact power.

>>381635289
>And that was in wotlk because you could just spam dungeons and they were very story heavy so they were entertaining

Oh, you mean when heirloomed characters pulled half the dungeon and survived with ease, not giving you time to read the quests, very story heavy indeed

dungeon finder and wotlk easy mode were a fucking mistake

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>yfw you realize MoP was the original WoW Dev's swan song before the Wilsonites took over

>>381635329
Everyone enjoyed levelling in WoD their first time

There was just nothing to do at max level except Garrison and Log Out.

>>381635329
Wod was a good expansion.
In the core it was like MoP.

It just lacked content.
Blizzard decided to cut everything and ruin it.

Fucking faggots.

>>381635289
>grinding story heavy dungeons
>entertaining
Eat shit you fucking retard nigger.
There is absolutely nothing worse than dungeons with tons of RP that you are required to run at endgame infinitely.

>>381635440
MoP actually best expansion.
Had a great time with it.

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>>381633585
>spriest in bc
feels good man

>>381630380
>every time i see anything WoW i get the urge
>have to forcefully remind me there isnt anything there for me
this game is pure evil
what if my character misses me?

>>381635371
>Reading the quests
LOL, nigga I got all the story I needed from the voice acting
That's still why wotlk was the best expansion. You could literally not read a thing and the voice work would convey the story. You know, the proper way a videogame should? Throwing important stuff in plain quest text is just lazy

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>>381635440
>yfw you realize Chen Stormstout and by extension all Pandaren are just the fursona of one WoW Developer.

On one hand I'm impressed with his dedication to putting in his shit where it doesnt belong but on the other hand I'm disgusted by the furry compulsion to force your fursona into everything.
Also Pandaland had good atmosphere/music but shit everything else

>>381631825
Warmane

>>381635663
this kills me
i cant believe how they fucked it so hard this time
I played legion all the way up thru Nighthold then couldn't keep doing it. the imagination is gone

>>381635731
90% of the senior Blizzard staff are/have been furries.

>>381635440
>TFW you miss MoP most of all
I'm happy that I was proven wrong about MoP.
For an expansion that I had little expectations for, it turned out to be my favorite

>>381635858
Throne of Thunder was such a good fucking raid.

The 16 months of SOO was awful as fuck though.

>>381635681
>I hate reading
t.american

>>381635440
>Original dev swan song
The original devs left the game mid-wrath to work on titan.

Kaplan, Pardo, and Chilton haven't touched WOW since.

Its why they're no longer credited from Cataclysm onward.

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>>381633585
>tfw tailor during BC
>tfw used every off hour to farm motes for shadowfrost and spellweave
>tfw made a mint selling on the AH
>tfw first in guild to get epic flying
Not even the magic carpets had as much demand, now professions are almost as useless as gold.

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>>381635663
>>381635818
>Playing vanilla hardcore -> Legion launch
>That horrible, horrible, realization the game's gone to shit
It's like being a crack addict and finding out they replaced it with tylenol because it's safer and more people like it. The withdrawal is bad. The realization it can never be good again. That's something the fuck else.

>>381635731
Pandaria had great everything.
-really good original lore that all fits perfectly into the Warcraft universe
-the main story actually involved the faction leaders properly for the first time
-really nice additions to standard content like challenge modes and brawlers guild
-raids were actually pretty good
-isle of thunder/timeless isle were dope
-farm is cool as shit
-monk class is 10/10

Only thing that was not fine was the default dungeons. They were just undertuned.

>>381635681
>wrathbabbies

>>381635773
>9k players on Outland
They are bullshitting that right?

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>>381635663
You are not alone man.
You are not alone.

I try to forget about this game, every day i try.
i simply can't.

Every once in a while i go through my screenshot folder and i remember all the times i went through with my character and i miss everything.

I would tell you to let go, but i'm having a hard time doing it myself

>>381635920
>The 16 months of SOO was awful as fuck though
That's more of WoD fault. The year of Dragon Soul was MoP's fault. Not defending either

>>381635990
And all we got outta Titan was Overwatch.
It's not terrible but it could have been much much better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n6WP9qHyRM

WoW died with Arthas

Try and prove me wrong

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>>381635994
I just don't get it.
There are certainly wow players out there that would design better shit than what blizzard cranks out these days, simply because they love the game and are creative.
it's always about the money now i guess

>>381635990
There was more to the WoW devteam than those credittaking talentless howboating hacks.

>Kaplan
Literally killed Titan and got forced to prop up his TF2clone
>Pardo
Fucked off to suck the blood of younger devs at his own studio like Peter Moly
>Tom
Fucked up and let Jay Wilson run amok so hard, they moved him to a quit team

>>381636185
MoP was really good, anon.
I miss Arthas, but i can't deny that i enjoyed MoP and even WoD.

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> Started in Vanilla, kept playing until partway into BC and never hit the cap
> Played on private servers for a bit
> Came back in Wrath and finally managed to do end-game content
> Stop for a while after ICC and then came back when Cata launched after forming a guild with IRL friends
> Played partway into MoP but left pretty soon after Throne of Thunder
> Brief return when WoD launched but the guild I'd joined was full of cunts
> Friends I played with during Cata reformed a guild for Legion
> Stopped playing just before Tomb of Sargeras was released

The only reason I played for as long as I did was because I had actual friends to play with, but even then I reached a point where I wasn't having fun. I wasn't invested in the universe anymore, and on top of that gearing my Warlock was such a pain in the ass. I mean really, with all the emphasis on secondary stats it was near impossible to get what I needed when even the tier sets didn't properly give the right ones. It just stopped being fun, I don't care anymore. It's no wonder I stopped when my friends decided to transfer to a more populated server to recruit players. I just didn't give enough of a damn to continue.

But that aside, if there was one thing I wish would change back it would be the community itself. It's so impersonal now. Ever since LFG/LFR happened more and more people have just run through things silently like they're with a pack of NPCs, and either shit-talk or leave with the knowledge that they'll never see them again and will easily find a new party to replace them. Any sense of community on a server is basically dead. The closest thing to "community" now are retards who idle in Trade chat spamming garbage and acting like the second coming of Lanced Jack.

It's such a tiring disappointment.

>>381633819
>you can never go back
Fifteen there's still time for you
Time to buy and time to lose
Fifteen, there's never a wish better than this

>>381636293
Admittedly MoP was good yeah. Only good expansion post-WOTLK

>>381636040
No.

Legion isnt terrible, just feels sabotaged as fuck with the stupid grinds.

It would be really easy to fix that but at this point I'm burned out and I wont care until they announce a new expansion with some actual changes towards the structure.

>>381636185
WOTLK was one of the shittier expansions.

>>381635994
Same here fella.
The way I see it, if blizzard doesn't give me the stuff I want, I'll go to the greasy Russian in the back alley and get the good stuff again.
I'll admit the game hasn't aged well but theres still some of that WoW magic of trekking across half an continent with strangers to do SFK.
Where progress actually is progress not legendary skins.

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>>381636205
>Hello, thank you for coming to the job interview.
>HR tells us you have 10 years xp designing AAA titles.
>Yes
>Anything like MMOs?
>Hollywood QTE games bro

>Next
>Hello, thank you for coming to the job interview.
>HR tells us you have 10 years xp designing MMOs
>Yes
>Do you wake up resisting the urge to kill yourself as a while male without blue hair?
>No
>Do you play WoW with a drawing tablet?
>No
>Are you a furry or brony?
>No

>Next
>Repeat for fucking ever

The Senior Game Designer role on WoW has been open for almost 2 years now.

>>381631730
They should play black deesert if they like gambling. PvE is miniscule in that game tho

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>>381636185
It hardly died, it just wasn't as good. The investment people had in some of Warcraft's characters didn't exist anymore since by that point they were mostly gone.

Not to mention WotLK was honestly more "the beginning of the end" rather than "the end of an era".

>>381636040
>9k
I'm playing Outland right now, its pretty high but no way in hell is it 9k its probably 3-5k, zones arent crazy populated but I don't go more than 15 minutes without seeing another player.
Also theres an artificial queue that ends at 7PM EST like clockwork, theres no way in hell a natural queue would do that every single day for the past week on the hour.

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>>381635530
The good life.

>>381632798
While sylvanas joinning the horde is stupid and all i find the belfs joinning a faction containing any amount of undead far more unlikely.

>>381636528
Anon, the WoW everyone knew fucking died after WoTLK. It all became this shitty fucking mish mash of Green Jesus, orcs, MORE ORCS, then demons. None of them adding on to the pre established story in any meaningful way.

>>381636590
That makes more sense.

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>>381636185

>WoW died with Arthas

Wrong, it died with launch of WOTLK

>>381630380
>caring how your toon looks
wanna know how I know you're a 300 lb neet?

>>381636690
>tauren tolerating forsaken or bloodelves
it was always fucked lore wise.

Does anyone else feel like classes functioned significantly better when Blizzard just gave players abilities, and it was left to the players to ultimately figure out what worked, what didn't, what to prioritize and how, and want was able to be left out of potential rotations?

I just came back to legion, and while I do appreciate the ability pruning (I miss a lot of flavor shit still that they trimmed expansions ago), but leaving rotations up to Blizzard seems like it just doesn't work as well. Like, I get where they're coming from, trying to further refine classes and specs, but holy fuck are they bad at it. I gave Demonology a try today on my Warlock for shits and gigs since I was able to catch my artifact up in a matter of an hour, and Ho-lee FUCK what a shitfest of a spec.

Meanwhile back in Wrath, you had a lot of shit, yeah, but rotations felt satisfying, and for the most part, a lot of classes functioned well. Especially considering the amount of ability and talent tuning they did after TBC when a lot of classes still only had 1-2 viable specs.

Then again, maybe I'm wrong and I'm just nitpicky because Blizzard still couldn't balance on their own two feet if they tried. It could also be due to the fact that they change their entire fucking game design and class philosophy every God damn expansion, and their team constantly changes around every other year.

>>381636457
I once went to BlizzCon and wound up talking to someone who works on WoW. They weren't even there for a creative position originally. Meanwhile, there I was, someone who spent five years netting a Comp Sci degree and jack shit to show for it. Happy as I was for their success, I'd be lying if I weren't also bitter.

>>381636692
Because the established story was more or less used up. They well was dry at that point mate. WoW kept going, it's just the shine it once had was dimmer. The "WoW everyone knew" is different depending on when people came in. What was the Golden Age for one person is another's Bronze Age.

>>381636692
Warcraft has always been orcs and demons.
You sound like a WC3 babb who only played that.

>>381636692
I thought MoP was decent

>>381631316

This makes me wish I didn't lose my old HDD that had all my old vanilla screens on it.

Had a shitload from the moment I made me first character, to his entire journey to 60, to a ton of screens with my friends in dungeons to my first few raids when finally graduating from the feeder guild into the main raiding guild.

I had a lot of other shit on that HDD that mattered a lot to me too that kind of makes me sad that it's gone.

>>381636906
In WOTLK I could play multiple classes with a one button macro.

>>381636692
Right, and up to WotLK it wasn't killing off as many big names as it could in order to cash in on nostalgia. The story was in no way fucked up beyond repair, and there were no major retcons, at least none anyone cared about.

>>381636302
>community/LFG
>BUT BRO WHY DON'T YOU JUST TALK TO PEOPLE DONT USE LFG IF YOU DONT LIKE IT
Just kidding senpai, LFG is the shit that helped kill the community. I've been saying for years its the "road to hell is paved with good intentions" scenario.
Blizzard was making dungeons like Mara, Stocks, or RFC that would never be seen by like 80% of the playerbase so they decided to alleviate that... with LFG

>>381630380
I actually laughed out loud. I feel like this picture perfectly represents the stillborn abomination that is WoW post-WotLk. I tried playing it a year before Legion came out and it sucked so much ass.

I just want a WoW 2 at this point. Something fresh...and preferably made by Blizzard pre-2010.

>>381631832

Armor design in legion is actually somewhat decent. Much more improved this time around.

T20 is a hugely cheap T6 recycle though, which I'm unsure of how I feel about it.

>>381631648
> 25% stun resist
hello ?

>>381635440

MoP was the only expansion besides vanilla I played through entirely.

>Played bc for a good while, dropped it after trying mount hyjal. they still haven't made a worse raid to this day.
>Casually played wrath on and off when the pvp wasn't fucked(DKs/Shadowmourne)
>Played a month of cata and never looked back
>Played a month of wod at the start and end
>Played legion until 7.2 hit and instantly dropped it

I didn't even mind the year of SoO, it was enough to just log in and fish or chill at the farm, or go fly around looking for rares and admiring the landscapes

>>381637049

Oh fuck that's right. I remember that shit. Someone made a macro that made DKs follow through an entire rotation with a single button, and Blizzard went in on stopping that shit asap.

>>381636906
The problem is blizzard is designing the game to be played their way. The classes and their skills are tailored to be used in a specific way instead of just giving 20 abilities and say "here's the shit, figure it out" like in earlier expacs. Rotations are now made by blizz and not the players.

>>381632015
I love it because it gave us the asmongold transmog contests, which I feel like is at least part of the reason it's becoming an official thing.

>>381636906
>class designer is a tumblr furry that plays on a tablet meme
but yeah i dont really like the class design of legion either
its okay but not as good as in cata/mop/wod
wotlk alway seemed so spammy and brainless to me
but i played hunter and ret back then so thats probably my fault for having that view

>>381637092
It's a tough design choice to make honestly. I mean people would have a tough time finding groups sometimes. Hell if it had been more like the LFM system Blizz implemented for questing in Legion and was restricted to just the server, I think it would've been real useful. But things didn't pan out that way, and LFG's convenience ended up affecting the playerbase for the worse.

>>381634565
>>381634494
So the fuck what? You're not guldan. You're just a wannabe

>>381631962
>Grind weekly M+ for a chance at loot
They're basically removing the grind for that in a way that I both approve and disapprove of.

>>381637324
at the end of Legion he might as well be Guldan
have you seen the story?

>>381637324
i stole guldans staff though

>>381637049
>>381637170
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIXYMY4dOmI

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>>381637170
WOTLK was generally the peak of automated play through macros and addons.

At some point there was this addon that literally drew circles on the floor telling everybody where they should stand at any point in time.


The freedom addons give you is great, but its also good that they sometimes step it to stop things when they get out of control.

>>381636906

Yes and no.

Back then, classes weren't as refined, and I think in Wrath, Blizzard was finally starting to understand how they wanted certain classes and specs to function, which prior to that, they had no fucking idea. Things just worked (or didn't work).

Now a days, the entire game is 100% formulated. Everything works exactly how they want it to.

One thing I wish though is that they'd stop fucking with everything every expansion. Warriors were great in MoP. They were decent in WoD. Then they went and fucked everything around in Legion, and I can't say I was happy with any of it. Warriors went from being blocky tanks that blocked and avoided everything, to being massive absorb sponges. Arms turned into a fucking diceroll spec, and fury was the worst most unsurvivable spec ever to the point where the devs even gave it's artifact weapons a chance to fucking res you for a short time when you died. It was fucking retarded.

WotLK Warlocks were my favorite fucking time to play Warlocks, minus Demo, which fucking sucked if you didn't have the gear for it. In Cata they made them stupidly overly complicated and unfun, yet oddly satisfying to play, and then turned them into a 1234 button class in Legion.

Blizzard needs to learn to just stop trying to fix what isn't broken. I'd say that that right there is their biggest fault in regards to classes.

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I played a couple months of legion, but got tired super fast of the world quests. I also hate the legendary weapon.

This was my transmog when I quit. And yes, this is full gear.

>>381632485
Just like every expansion when you were handed out loot for being AFK. You're missing the point of an MMO. If you're not going to do something because it'll get easier months later, what are you complaining about?

>>381637092

it's not lfg, it's crossrealm. if you actually saw people from your server and not BR fucks you'll never meet again there would still be a semblance of community

game died the day everything got merged.

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>>381631316
>>381633583
What makes the most nostalgic in those pics are the palm trees next to AH, i spent a lot of time jumping onto those.

>>381637261
I remember when healers had like infinite mana in WOTLK.

Then Cata came out and Blizzard actually made mana a real resource anymore and everybody started crying HARD.

>>381637494
heh, i remember that addon and how they banned it.
and i also remember how they baned the same remastered shit working with dbm not so long ago

>>381637494
There was an addon people could use to write on surfaces to their guildies. It trivialized everything.

>>381637305
I think at a certain point they should have just merged low pop servers rather than creating LFG, and for the more obscure dungeons or for something like Stocks, they should have had a teleport directly to the dungeon for Horde players.
I think another issue was making Dungeon Quests/strictly Dungeoning more xp efficient than questing in the over World. If early dungeons were strictly for gear and gave trash xp would the WoW community be a much different beast?
On one hand they were stuck in a shitty scenario and I can't quite totallyblame them but on the other I can for the emotionless, "plastic" mess of an experience that is retail WoW.

>>381637494

Yeah I remember that addon. We used it throughout Heroic ICC 25. We'd all do nothing but draw horribly lopsided cocks all over Lanathel's room during break.

Blizzard shut it down because anything that interacted with the 3D gamespace was strictly forbidden, when in reality, it was just a very clever line trace that read the geometry and adjusted itself accordingly to your camera perspective.

If you tried hard enough, you could fuck up the lines and circles by constantly throwing your camera all over the place.

>>381635440
mop? seriously?

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>>381636362
>tfw all the greasy Russians are selling fucking awful stuff
>finally find something half-decent
>do it alone for a while
>realise all the good times from when you were doing crack back then were because of your friends
>you lost all your friends because of that addiction
>if you try to make friends now, they're all gonna be crack addicts like yourself, too burned out and jaded to form an actual relationship
>try not to cry
>cry a lot

>>381636876
Not that guy, but wow is a normie mmo now filled with people that care a lot about how their character looks, that's why transmog continues to be something almost every player uses

You're the 300 lb neet senpai

>>381637653
arena was hilarious as a warlock at the start of cata
manadrain spam till hes oom and then you win easy game

>>381636692
That's not "dying", anon.

That's "jumping the shark", look it up.

>>381637697
Basically you die a hero, or live long enough to become a monster. Such is the nature of online games it seems.

>>381637695
That is the addon I linked.
You could either write on the floor or you could use a precanned thing where it would automatically play out through the whole fight for you.

>>381637707
They mostly just changed it because it trivialized the positioning aspect of raids fully and thats wank.

>>381636906
It really depends on the class.

I quit because I couldn't find a mythic guild that raided only 3 nights a week that didn't suck ass. I don't understand how so many players can't figure out boss fights after a couple attempts. All I wanted to do was kill all the bosses on mythic in a reasonable amount of time without raiding more than 3 nights a week. It was impossible.

I tried to do this in Warlords and I tried it in Legion and couldn't find a decent guild either time.

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> There must always be a Lick King
Aaaaand you lost me.

>>381637675
Yeah that was a thing when we raided Archimonde.
Blizzard are partially to blame for that, the fight was STUPIDLY tuned that shit like this was pretty much mandatory.

Sometimes they just go overboard with those final boss encounters.

>>381637494

Fuck that was such a fun and criminally short-lived addon.

At the time I was studying 2D design for my Graphic Design major, and one break after downing Putricide, I revved up my digi pen and drew an insanely detailed portrait of an undead warrior leaping down with the old vanilla Warlord 2h sword. Everyone came back from break going "Holy fuck that's awesome."

Wish I still had my screens.

>>381637708
Yeah man.
Great expansion.

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>tfw you had your best time in wow in cata and everyone is giving you shit for it

>>381637876

Kind of dumb really. Whats the difference between having markers down that give you positions to go to over having colored spots on the ground that give positions to go to?

None.

It's especially made worse now by the fact that there's an ever-constant warning that flashes across your screen every time a boss fucking does something, regardless of whether you have DBM or not.

>>381638078
Cata was good for the first half and then it all went to shit with Dragonsoul.

>>381637324
>Not being his follower
>Not being a member of the shadow council and fucking draenor up and down.

>>381637494
Wasn't that the one mod Blizz shut down because that went too far in the direction of "the game is beng played for you"?

>>381638103
Well markers are permanent or require manual replacing in the middle of the fight.

That thing just drew shit in the middle of the fight automatically and that was the real issue.

>>381638108
dragonsoul had so much fun shit though
fucking tentacle sword or rogue trinket criting for 50k in pvp and rogue legendary daggers

>>381637261

Hunter was the literal definition of faceroll in WotLK. As survival you could just mash keys and still crank out acceptable DPS. I remember filling in on a friends Hunter for their Uld25 raid, and them telling me "Just mash shit you'll be fine!" I literally just mashed shit and pulled a steady 5-6k dps. Marksmen was especially broken just before Armor Penetration got smacked with the nerf bat.

Holy FUCK was armor pen broken. Especially if you had Deathbringer's Will. My god the amount of PuG raids I've witnessed collapse to complete shit over those things dropping was insane. I even had a guild completely fall apart after an officer looted a Heroic DBW to a Warrior without letting people bid on it. Absolute. Fucking. Chaos.

>>381638078
Not gonna give you shit. anon.

I had my best time during WoD

>>381637937
Blame your dumbass for choosing a shit realm lmao.

>>381638307
>fucking tentacle sword

Tentacle sword Unholy DK was so much fun. I want it back!

>>381637653

I think you have that backwards dude.

In Cata, Healers were fucking unkillable. Un-fucking-killable. If you did a BG and a group at a flag had 2 healers, fucking forget it. Nobody was gonna die on that team.

Cata was fucking retarded through and through.

I very clearly remember healers in WotLK steadily draining and druids having to toss innervates during certain intensive fights.

>>381638307
The raid itself m8.

>>381638419
No the real deal is using bladestorm with that thing in aoe and then spawning eight tentacles.

>>381637712
Its still possible my man don't give up.
A few months ago I had a Deadmines group that I ended up adding everyone from and even did SFK with two of the people a few levels later.
We joked about our Tank having a typo in his name for the whole dungeon. He even logged out with "See you guys deleting this character now"(He came back thankfully)
Our druid DPS died because I couldn't heal them because of >Private Server everyone had a laugh
Our Mage was a meme spouting /train'ing bastard
I fucking loved it.
And this may sound like absolute shite to you, but remember the last low level LFG you did. 2 DPS in full heirloom tanked. Your tank never connected, and your healer never ran out of mana for any portion.
I'd take shitty gnome mages /train'ing in a private server DM everyday over what WoW has become

>>381638371
wod raids were great and all your friends still played since it got free 2 play with 30k token at the start
also pvp was fun
if they just would have finished it man

>>381638419
If you still play or plan to ever play again you can bring any old gear to Timewalking instances/raids and it will scale to your level.

Can have fun with old legendaries in those and shit.

>>381638320
I played fury warrior during Wrath and that was also a major faceroll spec. Just 3-4 abilities with Death Wish cooldown and maybe a trinket.

And there was a time right before Ulduar came out when they had buffed armor pen. I had picked up a bunch of random armor pen items during Naxx because no one wanted them. For a small amount of time, I was a fucking god because I was one of the only ones with a shitload of armor pen in my raid.

>>381638078
Pre nerf dungeons in Cata were amazing, you actually had to cc shit. But wotlk players couldn't handle it so everything was nerfed.

>>381635072

Seal of Command had a chance to proc for 70% of weapon damage, so the slower weapon, the better.

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>>381638513
i liked the raid too
fighting on the back of deathwing and watching the tards fly away as he turns was fun
the one guy where you had to play ping pong with an energy ball was fun
and the last fight was pretty intense too even if it was ridiculous that he turned into a hentai monster
i just liked it man i know its unpopular and went on for way too long but i liked it

Name ONE thing in current wow that's an objective improvement over vanilla.

>>381638590
It wasn't just the sword, it was the 1.0s GCD and the great mix of melee, pets, and spell casting and managing all if that just clicked for me.

>>381638680
Ahhh. So it was all about highest damage range?

>>381638204
Yeah, and in later expansions Blizz added AOE circles/effects to their boss fights themselves. Guess they knew that players will eventually find another way to get something like that back.

>>381638718
everything is kosher and circumcized

>>381638718
LFD.

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>>381638661
>Pre nerf dungeons in Cata were amazing, you actually had to cc shit. But wotlk players couldn't handle it so everything was nerfed.
Did...did you just entirely forget all the CC'ing people had to do originally in WotLK...?

>>381631809
FFXIV global cooldown is so fucking slow lmao

>all the guild popcorn on the realm forum
>certain players in BG were GANK ON SIGHT
>every server had their own individual characters who brought months of entertainment

ALL destroyed by cross realm, was it worth it?

>>381638718

Boss fights. 90% of vanilla bosses in both dungeons and raids was just tank n spank, they were almost all gear checks at best. It says something that Nax's mechanics which are really primitive are the most advanced vanilla ever got.

>>381638419
>play double melee 2s in cata
>enemy team has heal paladin
>fuck man how will we win
>both have hentai sword
>bad proccs game almost lost
>suddenly we both get 3
>6 tentacles win the game
best arena game ive ever had

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>mfw I never played WoW until they brought Transmog and Gender Swap abilities
>mfw I never solo'd BWL until I get Tier 2 set

WHY DID NEARLY HAVE TO DIE?

>>381637224
You think you want to figure shit out and come up with your own way to play your class.
But you don't.

Just came back a week ago.

Glad they finally fixed Arms Warriors. I had about an 870~ ilvl, but my DPS would range from about 450kish, to about 150 depending on CS procs, and holy fuck was it aggravating. Some fights I';d get a perfect lineup of procs and pull insane fucking DPS and help push phases. Then other fights I'd be at the literal bottom doing jackshit but auto attacking, hitting Slam, and praying for a fucking proc.

It's still RNG, but you no longer need to spec into FR, which is a fucking miracle. My DPS is the steadiest it's been at around 500-550 now at an 880 ilvl.

Still wish I could get some non-shit fucking legendaries. All I had is the god damn healing bracers and the useless fucking Thunderclap belt. Fucking kill me man. I'd fucking murder for Stone Heart or even Heavy Hand.Burning Wish would be a dream to have.

>>381638826
no fuck crossrealms
and fuck russians fucking ruined eu bg/arena/raid pugs learn english you fucks

>>381638793
>Did...did you just entirely forget all the CC'ing people had to do originally in WotLK...?

Things that never happened unless you were the most supreme of all shitters. I healed WOTLK heroic dungeons as a shadow specced priest in Sunwell loot; shit was such a joke.

>>381638795
Memes aside, the core gameplay is still the fucking same

>go to the marker on the map
>get quest
>farm bearbutts
>turn in bearbutts
>watch cutscene
>go to the new dot on the map
>repeat until level cap
>Then press a button and get queued into an instance where you just don't stand in fire while beating on a giant punching bag for 30 minutes to an hour.

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>>381631809
Nigga, I'm having fun with FF14, don't get me wrong, but come on...

>>381638718

AoE looting.

It's the sole improvement they have made on the game in 13 years

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>>381638793

>Did...did you just entirely forget all the CC'ing people had to do originally in WotLK...?

No? I never CC anything in WotLK, one of my big turnoffs for the expansion

>>381638606

Dude we had a MM Hunter during Ulduar who I'm absolutely positive was a pioneer of MM Hunters stacking AP gems.

Dudes entire gear was nothing but AP gems, and he fucking shredded the shit out of the DPS charts.

He was in our guild for like, 3 weeks before he left to join some guild on Zul'jin that wasn't struggling with Yogg 25 like we were.

>>381638957
>and fuck russians fucking ruined eu bg/arena/raid pugs learn english you fucks
Lol, stfu. They're going to save Europe from lefty retardation.

>>381638890
Rotations in any MMO with WoW's casting system are super easy to figure out. Show me any game that has a rotation that you can't figure out 100% correct in less than an hour.

>>381637098
What I like about legion armor is that there's more armor with extra modeled bits, not just flat skins on the default model, especially the Trial of Valor sets.

>>381638937
With all the changes it almost feels like how Arms played in WoD

>>381638718
I'm not forced into one role and only one role depending on my class.

Also as a mage, I like having a rotation that consists of more than just frostbolt.

>>381639098
lag back to pol pls

>>381638740

Yup. Not that Paladins were particularly good at offense, they had good defensive options.

On one hand, I understand the decision as any buffs to Ret outside of deep talents would buff Hole as well. On the other, I should have chosen to play a Shammy, even though they too were pidgeonholed into healing.

>>381639128

Not him but I'm glad it's not nearly as rng-dependent anymore.

>>381638718

That's the idea, name things that are objectively better in vanilla than legion.

You can't because the entire game is subjective to the player.

The game is essentially the same but are still chasing the dragon because the game has literally worn itself out.

That sad realization is the seed of nostalgia for everyone.

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>>381639045
>>381638959
Maybe I'm misremembering, but I could've SWORN people had to CC for stuff like Heroic Nexus and Violet Hold....

>>381631648
I had one I named Warlorck

I was very proud of that name

>>381639173
>cuckboi detected
lel

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>>381638543
I did some low levels, some group quests and whatnot too.
I met people too.
We had silly fun.
We chatted for a while.
We added each other after the dungeon and never spoke again.

It's not the same, anon.
It's different from when you enter the MMO already with friends and build up from there, at least that was the case for me.

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>there will never be an MMO like WoW again
>not even nuWoW can recreate the magic
How do you deal with this feel?

>>381639174
I levelled a Paladin to Lv.70 in a few days just to get the Karazhan Halloween event axe.

I liked Retadins. Sadly no game has come close to matching it. Rift did when I played it, kinda. I want a game where you can buff yourself and do big crits. Big Bomb/Burst damage.

I hope Lost Ark Online has it.

>>381639296

I just keep playing. I'm never leaving, I'm in this until it literally dies.

>>381639104
>It's a meme you dip.wmv

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>>381639296
Such is the way of things. The light of a star is destined to eventually fade.

>>381639104
Feral, always feral. That said feral's the exception not the rule.

Also I doubt you could be playing any spec at 100% inside an hour.

MMOs are shit as games. Their only value is the multiplayer aspect. Now that its easy as fuck that you can just solo everything (or insta group in Legion for 5 minutes) there's no need to work with other people 95% of the time, hence people can act like complete autist reddit using faggots and get away with it.

Vanilla / BC was hard as fuck, so you had no other choice but to befriend everyone to get anything done.

WoW is 13 years old too, its just not fresh and revolutionary anymore, and never will be.

>>381638740
>>381639174
There was a lot of one-shot potential in WoW before they normalized weapon damage, meaning that weapon speed no longer mattered for the weapon's contribution to the damage of a spell or ability. Only the average DPS would be used. Obviously weapon speed had some implications beyond just these calculations, but it stopped things like Arcanite Reaper being absurdly powerful just because it had a 3.8 attack speed.

I remember playing an enhancement shaman in vanilla and one-shotting people constantly with Windfury procs. Shit was broken.

>>381639346
It's absolute bullshit that Paladins are able to attack through their bubble now on top of their self-healing.

>>381638590
What's the point? All monsters die too quickly to experience anything in timewalking dungeons.

>>381637028

I know that feeling.

I had a buttload of random screenshots that make me miss not only wow, but early internet as well that are just fucking gone because they were lost in a fire.
Early internet wasnt indexed, so unless you were there it just sounds retarded to describe.

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>>381638078

Mine was WotLK.

>finally got good at being a Warrior tank. Finally took the time to learn my abilities, CDs, and properly learn my rotations and priorities
>actually properly gemmed and enchanted my gear
>actively pursued BiS gear that was realisticly achievable for me given the circumstances
>was one of the best tanks on my server at the time, even though our guild was pretty shit
>got to fill in for 2 other guilds at times, got to see and experience some high level progression shit
>would go back to my guild and use that knowledge to actually help us push and progress
>knew people in the best guilds on the server
>was buddies with the server first Arena Master before he passed away of cancer
>got in on alt achievement runs and got all my Uld / ICC mounts with the top guild on my server because I knew a Rogue and DK in the guild
>aside from all of this, made a load of really fucking cool friends, and met some really good people, and had probably the best social experience throughout WoW during WotLK
>also had one of the worst social experiences involving a rl female friend who ended up seducing a bunch of people, tearing down 2 entire guilds, and ruining a friendship between me and another friend, but fuck that shit
>was easily the best and most excellent expansion for me in regards to play experience, social experiences, and the game quality over all

I miss 2007-2010. So much god damn fun during WotLK.

>>381638831
>claims tank and spank
>When mana could run out
>when trash did more raid damage then WOTLK bosses
>When debuff management handled wrong could simply just wipe a raid
>When tanks couldn't pick up infinite adds and hold aggro on all those adds


The only mechanic modern WOW has over vanilla is the enrage timer, and that was introduced in Naxx, and debatably earlier with Vael's soft enrage via killing the raid one member at a time.

And many class roles have been stripped, kiting, add control, CC, ect, is completely removed, the only thing left in modern WOW is Tank, Heal, and DPS, no class offers anything beyond what those three roles have to offer, and if they do its quickly nerfed because every other class in those slots would bitch and whine that they're not 'balanced'

You could say that bosses are more mechanically involved, I would argue that they stripped all the class mechanics and simply compensated, such as fixates replacing kiting/threat management mechanics that used to be part of the class kit.

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10 years ago i was raiding Karazhan and had friends. Fuck, time really goes fast...

>>381639283
keked out loud at that pic

>1 HUH : you're alright
>2 HUHS : it's gonna be a close one
>3 or more HUHs : you have died, release to graveyard?

>>381639346
I played Rift for a bit. Leveled a Paladin to max. I was super disappointed that the spec I was leveling with was just trash at max level.

The Rift events were the coolest thing I've ever seen in an MMO, though. Massive zone-changing events that would always drag dozens of high level players in. It made the world feel really alive.

I had a friend who raided it up until a few months ago and they were one of the only remaining US guilds that still cleared content. Apparently the game is all but dead and the devs are just milking hyper casuals that dump money into the game for cosmetic shit.

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How did we go from this...

>>381638890

You're right, I don't because I'm not going to get max dps potential with my parsing calculation. It's why I'm always checking Icyveins for changes and updates.

You have two choices. You can have fun, or you can go big dick, and if you're not a casual then you never stop going big dick.

>>381639251
They did starting out.

But once paladins/druids got geared you could simply AOE farm any heroic in the game, except Occulus, and there is a reason why everyone left the group when queues zoned them into occulus.

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>>381639630
...to THIS?

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>>381639436
The majority of players still don't know their rotation, so if you find a group where none of the DPS know how to play, it actually feels like you went back in time.

>>381639296
I went back to MUDs.

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>when you learnt thottbot and wowhead were actually the same company

>>381638718
Buffs now display time remaining without an addon.

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>>381639630
> Not Thottbot
Yer new's showing, sonny...

>>381639708
Top left corner.

>>381631316
The only classes that are fun to play in vanilla are Mage, Rogue, Druid and Shaman. Everything else will probably steer you away.

>>381639552
>more mechanically involving
>actually paying attention to the mechanics
Someone's not top dps parsing on the server for their class. Don't you know that every second you take doing the boss mechanics is precious time that you could be spending doing more damage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NctFetyrwW4
Remember /v/: Stand in the fire, dps higher

>>381639793
Hell, your fucking enemy hp is displayed without an addon.

>>381639635
i think this fag was memeing about https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Wrw3c2NjeE

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>>381639630
>>381639708
>when you visit wowhead without adblock ublock noscript and without a condom

>>381639884
But mage was just spamming frostbolt to maximize dps

>>381639635
>icyveins
>not completely casual

Roflcopter.

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>>381638937

I know the struggle. I was one of the few people in our raid whose dps would make or break a boss attempt. There was a whole week during Mythic nightmare where my guild sat me out because my procs were fucking me over fiercely, and my DPS was like, 150 when we needed 250+ to effectively push. It fucking sucked. Eventually got through some Mythic+ stuff with guildies, and managed to get a few lucky rolls on some BiS gear (got a TF proc roll on the Violet Hold trinket, holy fuck what a dream), and finally got my spot back in raids the following week and got in just in time for our Mythic Xavius.

The day they changed Arms, I logged in, swapped my talents immediately, and ran a ton of random heroics feeling so relieved that I not only had to prioritize my entire rotation around building up 3 stacks of Focused Rage, but also didn't depend so heavily on fucking free CS procs. I had a bit of a DPS loss, but it wasn't enough that I was like "Mother FUCKER." I was happy enough that the rotation was infinitely more smooth and I didn't have to worry about procs fucking me over.

I can't even imagine the amount of frustration Rogues go through. Their shit depends literally on a literal dice roll move, which is absolutely fucking horrendous. One of our guildies actually got a Rogue to 860 ilvl the first week of Emerald Nightmare, and then rerolled Warlock because they got so sick of Rogue RNG.

The class balance at the start of this expansion was full-retard, and I blame that blue-haired cissy fucking faggot that plays with a fucking TABLET.

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I don't know why you're rolling a priest...

>>381639941
Every caster was spamming the most efficient spell.

>>381639974
You got a better site?

>>381635440
Who was the BBEG of MoP i always forget?

>>381640038
Yeah but it's literally, LITERALLY a 1 button rotation

>>381640076
Bad emotions taking physical form

>>381639452
>the guild drama at the end
Man, some of my worst and my best memories of WoW were from guilds. Those guys were like my second friend group outside of IRL friends. And just like IRL friendgroups there was always intrigue and drama. I remember being part of a guild that split and reformed several times, with slightly different names and leadership but overall the same group of players.

>>381639941
>Spam frostbolt
Sure, if you wanted to get killed by boss hate.

Also
>not CCing
>Not debuffing
>not blizzarding
>not nova'ing
>not wanding to get your mana back

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>>381640029
>Listen to that song a week ago
>Its fucking awful

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>>381630380
>mfw steam vaults cape finally dropped after weeks and a hunter won it because it had agility
>mfw I was tanking tempest keep in shoulderguards of the bold because shit refused to drop
>mfw tier token dropped from void reaver and I got excluded from the roll because guild leader was a faggot

>mfw mace dropped from lurker below and it got defaulted to main tank, I didn't care too much
>until he quit a week later

>mfw I lost saurfang jr's shield and putricide's trinket to offspecs

Being fucked over contributed to me quitting raiding after Wrath

>>381640078
Every caster was easy mode.

>>381638035
maybe if you like grinding garbage dailies, aforementioned dailies that make up 80% of the content, and having most of that same content gated behind those dailies.

MoP was the begging of the time gating garbage that killed Legoogoo and welfaire legendaries.
Mists of Shartsdaria.

>>381635440
nah the orignal devs swansong was wotlk, thatsalso when the warcraft lore finished

>>381639625
I played one of the DPS classes, I forget which. I fucked around with several builds. One of them was WoW Rogue but with Bombs. It was fun. Then I made a hunter which gave me and my pet loads of self buffs and shit, did quite a lot of damage. I found a cool farming spot and got my mount early. Lots of shit happened which is why I quit.

>>381639428
Crazy times. I had wanted to raid as my Retadin but I was retarded and lots of other shit fucked me over.

>>381631085
I liked BC because going out of your way to gather a matching set that was useful for your class at your current level of content was a chore and someone who did complete a set usually looked unique.

I collected the rare quality Bold set, Doomplate set, and Righteousness Set for my paladin to use, got a lot of comments about it. Still couldn't get a group to tank for because paladins had very low base health compared to warriors and druids making them squishy in heroics until BT came out and everyone was scrambling to have paladin tanks.

>>381633313
AP is piss easy to gain now (7.2.5).
Getting from knowledge 0 to 40 takes less than a week now. Last few levels are literally 3 hours a piece. And you can skip straight to 25 if you already did it on one toon.

Random AP items give 10-20 million AP. Can get to 50-52 easy as piss.

>>381639794
>that one kid who used thottbot over allakazam

nah who am i kidding thottbot was king

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z29Rk8814w

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>There are actually people on /v/ who never experienced the joy of Vanilla WoW

We had no clue what we were doing and it was great

>>381640279
I was a resto druid in BC so the set matching problem was solved for me with Tree of Life form.

>>381639296

I had some fun with Vanilla and private servers. Now I'm waiting for a good TBC server, I think it should be less mapped inside-out.

>>381640042
MMO Champs has the most up-to-date stuff, but you should always just be simming yourself. Your personal best in slot, best talents, and stat weights change with each item you get.

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>tfw you tank a heroic shadow labs or shattered halls and it goes off flawlessly
I don't know if dps got retarded after wrath or I got worse or some combination of the two, but I just couldn't stand pugging anymore

>>381633546
I enjoyed parts of Cataclysm. I liked the earth elemental realm for its looks and feel, it felt very peaceful even if the quests weren't anything special. The zone east of Wetlands wasn't bad either.

It still doesn't really compare to my original romp through vanilla and BC, but it was a step up from Wrath's questing, I'd say.

>>381640380
>tfw you run out of quests in a zone and had to go look elsewhere
>tfw all the adventures just trying to find your way in the world
I didn't even know of desolace either, that place was empty as fuck and I never got ganked

>>381640076
Garrosh Hellscream infected by hate and pride.

>>381640454
which dungeon was the one with ogre boss confusing the party and letting them kill each other?

>>381640153

I had one of those in TBC.

When I first joined, I joined as an off tank, and could immediately sense there was some rustling of jimmies going on between a few of the main core people.

Then one night, someone won the roll on the healing mace off of Maiden, and another healer who lost the roll gquits on the spot. Minute later, MT gquits, then another hunter gquits, and then a few people not in the raid gquit. Then someone logs in and disbands the guild.

We reformed the next day, and got a core back together with a few so-so fill-ins, but we cleared Kara pretty decently (struggled with Aran for 2 weeks because we had morons and a Warlock who did shit fucking DPS and couldn't banish worth a shit because she was a clicker), but overall it was a good experience with good people.

Then suddenly, previously mentioned warlock decides she wants the dagger off of Malchezar, has her husband loot it to her without a roll or raise of hands in favor of the decision, and it stirs up a MASSIVE fuss, because on that same run, she also got the spell enchant off one boss, and won the roll for the trinket off of the fel dude with the imps, so she basically got decked the fuck out in one run.

This caused a ton of people to get mad and not wanna raid the next week, so the guild lead and his wife leave after throwing me guild leader.

Ended up disbanding the guild and reforming with my own friends from the same guild (about 6 people), and found some pretty decent fill-ins and got back to raiding. Even met another guild that we would do coop runs with for Gruul and Magtheridon because neither of our cores were big enough for a full guild run, and they went surprisingly smooth too, which was good.

>>381640380
I played the game for an entire year before hitting 60 because I was too busy fishing and racing other druids with our travel forms. I probably spent more gold on Noggenfogger potions than I did on repairs.

>>381640598
Slabs

>>381639552
Its evident that you havent played the game past LFR level for about a decade.

>>381640452
Personally i just do what the top players of my spec are doing as they generally figure out the optimal solution long before me

>>381640598
TIME FOR FUN!
YOU BE SORRY!

>>381640689
I've not touched the game since the LFR cancer took over.

Also last time I checked your precious mythic mode has less clear rate then naxx 40 did.

>>381640171

All throughout Legion my Warrior has had 820 and 840 relics in my artifact.

I shit you not.

I have not been able to get anything better to drop. Absolute shittiest of shit fucking luck. He also has shit garbage trinkets and the worst fucking legendaries you could get (the neck literally everyone gets, and the belt that boosts your thunderclap cd)

Meanwhile my alt Warlock has an ilvl 909 artifact for fucking Affliction, and 910 for Destro.

I switched my Warlock as my main because her luck on loot was significantly better.

>>381640781
i love ogres
they should really become a playable race finally

>>381640392

I miss when druids ran around as goofy ass trees.

The new tree model they added after WotLK was terrifyingly ugly. Then they outright did away with it completely and made me not go resto anymore.

>>381640786
>has less clear rate
But that's good, it means most people can't beat it. Do you judge arena but how many have a rating of 1100?

>>381640875
WHAT?! UNPOSSIBLE!

>>381640908
by*

>>381640328

Thottbot was the shit. I had that shit up in the background throughout vanilla while leveling 24/7.

That shit was the reason I went from 10-30 so damn fast, and then burned through my 50s into 60 so quick.

Still took me just over 2 months to hit 60 because of high school at the time.

>>381640908
Arena was always shit.

>>381640923
MOGOR KILL

>>381640750
They are probably passed their stat breakpoints that make their current build viable. Take Havoc DH for example; if you are over 50% crit, your build is 222111. If you're over 40% mastery, it's memebeam. When you're in M+, it's memebeam, but if you're raiding, it's 222111, unless you have Mo'Args, then it's bloodlet... etc, etc, etc.

Your gear changes what spec is best for you. If you don't have all BiS gear, then looking at what the top players are doing is irrelevant.

>haha, time for 2's with my best friend!
>it's a resto druid episode

every fucking time

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Who /Hunter/ here? I remember choosing the class because you could have a Devilsaur as your pet. Getting my first spirit beast on Christmas Eve when the server was basically empty is one of my fondest memories. I also remember when you used to have to buy ammo and food to feed your pet or else it would run away from you. Man those were the days.

>>381640792
WQ's drop 860 relics constantly. Like, that's there base level without any upgrades.

How can you be sitting on an 820 when every single day, 860 relics are being put up for WQ rewards?

>>381640884
they added the tree back in Legoogoo, it's not tied to any spec and is purely cosmetic, you can buy the spell off a merchant in Moonglade

>>381640884
Yeah, it never felt the same after Tree of Life was gone. They way they changed totems on shamans also killed it for me. I always liked dropping 4 buffs and now they're just cooldowns (or they were last time I played).

>>381635990
I will never, ever forgive Kaplan for his shitty stance on hybrids and overall design concept to push players strictly into raiding. The man can rot for all I care, even those who came after simply took his ideas to their logical conclusion. Seriously:

>Design game around high end raid content
>Make a class specialized to do a role that is, by design, better and more useful than other classes that can fill that role.
>Design mechanics for that class to handle and leave others out to dry.

Either one of these would've been fine on their own, but when you expect players to clear progression content and create a clear "best" to use for it, it's simply giving the shaft to anyone who doesn't want to play that class or spec.

>>381640875
My kind of weird issue with them is they're so big their running animation looks retarded. Tauren are bad enough but Ogres are a whole new level. They'd have to make them the size of those little ogres you occasionally see but then that'd be dumb

>>381641003
That's why you actually have the fucking volume on when watching their videos so you listen to what they're telling you about the spec.

I mean Arms currently has 3 builds and each is dependent on stats.

>>381640380
>around a month after release
>in ashenvale mid level 20s
>come across that emerald portal in the top right guarded by super powerful dragonkin mobs
>spend the next hour ressing closer and closer so I could find where it took you
>ended up doing nothing

They shouldn't have capped the aggro range based on level. It was funny as heck getting charged at by 63 elites before they even show on my screen

>>381635440
Played since Vanila and MoP is the only xpac that made me quit. Literally a fucking joke xpac made into a real game.

To this day I can't believe they did it.

>>381638937
Yeah Arms was alright with the procs on legion launch, then they just fucked it.

The current changes make much more sense.

>>381640392
One of the reasons I could never play druid, to be honest, I didn't like my gear not showing when shapeshifted. I felt like one druid looked indistinguishable from another.

>>381640981
You're completely ignoring my point, you don't judge the content of something by what the shitters in it are doing.

>>381639708
> visit wowhead
> insane lag
> random crashes
> full of addons
What happened

>>381640520

>leveling in Silverpine Forest
>finish my quests
>get new quests
>they're all red and orange
>"Fuck"
>have to travel my ass all the way out to the barrens
>grind a bunch of green quests until I get yellow ones
>eventually get sent to Ashenvale
>orange quests
>"Mother fucker man"
>go back to Silverpine
>do my now yellow quests
>go into Hillsbrad
>get ganked
>get ganked a lot
>grind bears and fucking spiders
>get raped by the occasionally aggro'd cougar
>finish up the towns quests after being mobbed to death by farmers endlessly for 4 levels
>quests now red
>"God fucking dammit dude"
>go to Ashenvale
>repeat this horseshit all the way until you can finally consistently quest in Tanaris, WPL, WPL, UYn Goro, and Winterspring without dealing with this bullshit

I don't miss that horseshit at fucking all.

>>381637092

Sperg out about this idea, /v/:

Player reputation system - players can rate others and critique or compliment, with their opinions being weighted based on their own community standing / rating

good players = green / blue name, bad = red / black , when shown up on any LF system

I've been playing Elysium for a while now. Even have my own guild with 30 bros.

I'm having vanilla flavored fun. Feels like the old days.

>>381641234
too many scripts loading

>>381641123
Too bad you missed it, it was good. It was actually most closest expansion to spirit of vanilla.

>>381641083
yeah there are a bunch of problems but i just love these stupid fatties
a big problem is that they dont really fit in doors they would have to give them a ducking animation or something like that

>>381641063

Dude that murdered Shamans for me. In WotLK when they revamped totems to that 4tot system they had that dropped 4 select totems at once, and let you have multiple setups, that shit was great.

Then they turned totems into fucking CDs, I wasn't thrilled, but I dealt with it. But it isn't the fucking same man. They gutted the fuck out of Shamans, and doing what they did to totems really ruined the individuality of the class, and fucked up the whole feel of playing a Shaman man.

I remember doing quests to earn those fucking totems, and god damn did I earn them, and then they rip them all away.

>>381641306
yeah, no

>>381635440
i only played mop for two months doing nothing but 2v2 on an enhancement shaman it was very fun actually.

Anyone remember the first few weeks of WoD when Glad stance was absolutely fucking broken as DPS?

I was so psyched about it prior to WoD, and was even more psyched how viable it ended up being.

Then it got nerfed into the dust and was useless the entire fucking expansion.

>>381641051
I had a hunter alt since vanilla but I raided as a hunter in Mists, Warlords, and the beginning of Legion.

I just always thought it was hilarious that I could do the full DPS of other classes from 40 yards away, without worrying about spell interrupts, with no mana to manage, multiple interrupts and cc, two feign deaths (as a Night Elf), and a super tanky pet to absorb all the shit for me. There were times when the best AOE and single target spec for hunters were the same thing with the same rotation.

Disengage was ludicrously overpowered and Deterrence just let you ignore boss abilities.

The class fucking played itself and I loved having it so easy. Some bosses had abilities that each fucked casters, melee, tanks, and healers and I never had to worry about any of that shit.

Silencing Shot wasn't even a short enough cooldown for me to reliably be in an interrupt rotation. I never had any responsibilities except RARELY kiting or trapping something.

>>381641217
Then don't bring up a shit game system.

Arenas was always shit.

Modern raids are also shit, they're all designed around mythic, all other modes are pretty much retard mode.

And yet, mythic has less then 1% clear rate, which is fucking pathetic, I thought after naxx40's shitty clear rate they stopped making content for the top 1%.

All these divergent raid difficulties also did nothing but split the community, removed character progression, and turned the game into one massive, pointless grind.

If there is one thing I do miss from vanilla was that next patch wouldn't just reset my progression to zero like it does now.

Hell my tier 2 lasted me through almost all of BC's leveling.

>>381641258
The problem with a player rating system is one thing that makes a player rate high makes another player rate low.

For example, I used to a lot of single group pulls, drag groups back, CC targets, the works, since that's what we did in vanilla and BC and it worked for us and was required at some points. In wrath, you could literally pull multiple groups and rain AoE with no CC and still be fine, but I still did things the old, organized way and enjoyed doing it that way. It was the most polarizing thing too, some people would say it's great because everyone's focused and taking down targets systematically, other people would be pissed because they'd have to spend an extra 5-10 minutes in a dungeon since I wouldn't grab everything and let them AoE.

>>381641378

Yeh I miss how totems used to work. I also miss the large variety of totems you had, all of which being completely viable for the situations they were useful for.

Shaman is still fun for me, but it's definitely not the same, and I definitely miss totems. On one hand, you're infinitely more mobile and not anchored down to where ever your totems are, but on the other, the class lost a lot of flavor by not being able to slap totems down like you used to.

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>leveling shaman as resto
>earth and wind elementals immune to nature damage
>have to stand there and beat them to death with flametongue

>>381641438
Similar thing happened with pally prot paladins in the Legion prepatch.

I was running around 2 shotting people.

>be lowbie rogue
>get raped by mages
>get kick
>rape mages
fun times

>>381641581

That always happens prepatch because new talents and abilities are always balanced around the new level cap they'll be primarily used for.

I still remember when Paladins got Divine Storm in 3.0. I'd go into EotS and people would run when Paladins came running in. Same thing for Warriors with Bladestorm. People fucking booked it. Shit was free kills.

>>381630380
That design is so awful. I never understood people that liked Blizzard horrible art style. Main reason I don't play their games.

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>>381640607
I remember running as an offtank for kara to a guild of all rogues and druids.

They RP'd as ninjas or some shit and would spend long days ganking people.
They would also act as bodyguards for leveling up in STV and shit.

The gm would literally whisper me because he wanted a paladin tank for salv so I got free plate for everything from kara.

Then low and behold a female joined their guild and proceeded to destroy it in weeks.

Kind of sad desu to see how much destruction a vagina can do to a bunch of lonely neets.

>>381641259
I'm jonesing for some non-singleplayer WoW. I'm holding out hope for gummie as BC is my favourite but I'm really getting nostalgic and needy. How buggy is Elysium?

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>>381630380
>Try to download legion for the Monster Server
>Get throttled by my ISP

Welp, fuck me in the ass and call me daisy

>>381641802
monster server?

Shamans might have been shit, but they were so much fun to play

>see a mage pop PoM, put a grounding totem down and eat the pyro
>popping lust while running in to battle with your team
>being a walking WF totem for your warrior friends
>so many other feels

>>381631458
Because that's what the fans want.

>but wow lost so many players
Wow it's a 13 years old game in what is a dying genre.

I want to play vanilla and then talk about it with my friends at school.

I want to go back.

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>>381641860
https://monster-wow.com

>>381641259
I was enjoying elysium until the server drama started with the devs.

I kind of just want elysium quality but BC.

>>381641950
oh shit a private legion server? and blizzard is not already on their ass?

How do people still manage to enjoy WoW? The playschool rotations are just so damn boring.