what went wrong?

>>381622426
>what actually happened
a series of bad design decisions lead to a game very few people found entertaining
>what the industry will believe
RTS IS DEEAAAAAAD

>>381622426
They tried appealing to the fabled "wider audience"

>mfw they even confirmed the Necrons aren't even being worked on as a new DLC because the overwhelming amount of flack the game got made everyone scramble at Relic and redirect their entire focus on fixing this shit pile of a game

Hilarious

>>381623137
This, I hate this shit

At least the fps genre fell like a brick when Call of Duty flopped, let's hope the same happens with this Battle Royal bullshit

>>381623379
Source?

>>381623537
https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=LLqnrS5zqUdkyYwJkcgUij0w&v=UncbYoTF3qE

>>381623379

I hope they film their live suicide soon. Fuck this studio. Who fucking thought this game was a good idea?

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Eternal Crusade might be underwhelming and have a ton of problems, but even they managed to get chaos in their game

>>381623716
I don't know but their betrayal of their extremely small yet loyal fan base makes the Horus Heresy look like fucking child's play. Fuck Relic for this genuine kikery

>>381622426
>try to appeal to people who dont give a shit about rts' or dow
>game comes out and the people you were trying to attract predictably dont even know the game exists while all the long time rts and dow fans are not only not interested in it but rightfully offended by it
>this happens
Gee, disnt see that coming

>>381622426
it's like they made a f2p game then scrapped that idea at the last minute and sold it for $60

>>381624450
it was going to be a moba at one point

>>381624450
I wouldn't even play this shit for free

>>381622426
>niche game in a niche genre focusing on a niche brand name
>WE WANT THE WIDER AUDIENCE

well the wider audience doesn't want to play war hammer real time strategy games you stupid fucks.

>>381624450

This game is actually the amalgam of three projects. The original DoW3 post-THQ bankruptcy, a moba, and the current frankenstein that is this game.

There was no fucking way this game was going to end up good.

Fuck you, faggots. I love this game.

>>381625471
>.01 cents have been added to your account
keep up the good work

that number's for people who follow the game
fuck how new are you faggots?

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>>381625578
Wait, what?

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>>381625578
The fuck are you talking about?

the smartest thing they could do is drop DoW3 and release Dawn of War: Necron Bugaloo as a standalone game but not shit this time, give people who bought DoW3 some extra skins or something

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>>381622426
It's only a matter of time before the game goes free-to-play in a final desperate attempt to draw in more players before the games inevitable pathetic whimper of a death.

>>381623137
>>381623379
could you explain to me why this game is crap? i played dow 1 and 2 but 3 totally passed under the radar for me. I liked 1 and i thought 2 's campaign was ok if a bit too grindy and dota/diabloesque for my liking

>>381622426
Man, what a shit show. I'm a casual rts player but I still enjoyed both 1 and 2. DoW3 seemed kinda bland.

>>381623693
I have never seen such a huge amount of smug self importance and autofellatio in my life. If I ever have to hear a single word from that guy ever again in my life it'll be too soon.

all warhammer games are mix score. why?

>>381626804
You won't like it unless you want a (imo) funner SCII with more micro and less tactical requirements.


>>381626925
It's not necessarily bland but they fucked all over the people who liked DoW 1 and even who liked DoW 2.
Think of the people who liked DoW 1.
Then the people who liked DoW 2.
Now think how many people liked both, AND Starcraft II micro elements, AND MOBA characters in an RTS.

>>381622426
Moba shit inspired rts
I knew this game was going to be fucking trash.

Suck shit anon I had a argument with enjoy your shitty game and buyers remorse.

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the number 3 for RTS is cursed
no spic pandering

Dawn of War never had huge online. I was able to get into top 50 of ladder in DoW1 at some point because the game had a few thousand players even in peak hours

>starcraft era
genre is niche, developers are aware of this and cater to their small but refined playerbase. Their niche playerbase likes what the developers are doing.

>starcraft 2 era
Thanks to hype, genre is now massively popular, developers are now trying to appeal to people who have never played before to keep it going.

>modern MOBA era
genre is niche again, but developers are still trying to appeal to people who have never played before. Their niche playerbase does not like what the developers are doing.

>>381627931
>Age of Empires 3
>Empire Earth 3
>DoW3
>Warcraft 3

Any others I'm forgetting?

Cossacks 3 is an exception though

>>381628320
>warcraft 3

>>381622426
They wanted the moba audience and instead got no audience.

>>381628258
>Starcraft
>niche
If by niche you mean millions of players with gigantic online numbers not counting the entire e-sports industry in South Korea that still operates to this day then yeah, niche

>>381628443
Doesn't mean it was bad, but it killed it off

WC2 > 3 > 1

>>381628575
It's only in worst korea, though. It never got anywhere near that level of importance anywhere else. So yeah, it's a geographic niche.

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>>381628320
red alert for the purist, and i doubt WC3 was bad, i dont know C&C 3

>>381627931
>>381622426
DON'T FUCK WITH COMPANY OF HEROES FUCCKKKKKK

Honestly, as much as dow3 fucked up, i think the only way the rts genre can prosper is to get new people onto it. Going for the moba audience is retarded since they play mobas BECAUSE they can't handle a full rts.

I really dunno what audience could give RTS a chance, the clash of clans audience?

>>381623498
I been under a rock

>At least the fps genre fell like a brick when Call of Duty flopped,

When did that happen? Are you sure it jsut didn't get overtaken by Battlefield?

>let's hope the same happens with this Battle Royal bullshit

Do you mean games like Smash Brothers? I like those kinds of games.

>>381623137

Preaching to the choir brother.

Relic should not have dismissed initial outcry so passively.

they lost the entire warhammer crowd when they switched to the sleek cartoony design. It doesn't look or feel like warhammer at all. Atop of that the gameplay is just starcraft with gimicky hero characters thrown in and not at all the intense and extremely aggressive nature of the first 2 games.

>>381628719
mmmm... with the battlefield and cod revival, rev up the enrichment

>What went wrong?
It's not a Dawn of War game.

I hope there never is another warhammer game

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What went holyshitwhydidtheyevenwhatthefuck?

it's one of the few game series in the world that actually suffered from improved graphics

>>381623137
RTS is objectively dead commercially though, simply because they cannot be played on cucksoles

>>381628989
Nobody asked for it and it had horrific netcode.

Plus after the disaster Operation Racoon City was people were wary of Umbrella themed spin-offs

>>381629045
>if it isn't putting out blockbuster numbers, it's dead
this idea is pure cancer. There are markets for RTS games that don't suck. If someone made a better rise of nations or kohan1, i'd buy that shit in an instant. But those markets aren't going to be huge. Trying to make them huge is just going to piss off the people who would've otherwise given you money.

This isn't fucking rocket science. Make games for the audience you know is there, not the audience you really wish would give you all their money.

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>>381629045
>because they cannot be played on cucksoles
RTS are dead because the market for RTS is growing up and not playing video games anymore. Every genre has a time and place when it shined. Platformers will never be as big as they were in the 90s, and RTS will never be as big as they were in the Starcraft 1 days.

>>381628740

Not being dismissive here just saying the Clash of Clans audience is even a better version of what you were saying about Moba players. The audience is so locked in to their game, it might be a decade or the next technological transition (like mobile phones were) to get them off the game.

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wow, i actually thought people were exaggerating, but the game was probably that bad if so many people left

its been only two months and over 93% of people left, i think this crashed harder than battleborn

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At least we have remakes of 20 year old games to look forward to... right? ;_;

I'm unironically hyped for SC and AoE1 remastered, it just sucks we won't get another AAA RTS for a very, VERY long time

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>>381628810
He's wrong about CoD and FPS, It hasn't outright flopped yet, but it is on a downward trend and DOOM, Quake, and Wolfenstein are back to save FPS. Battlefield has won the common idiot for the moment.

>Battle Royale

he means like pic related

>>381629537
>Caring for AoE1 remake when AoE 2 was already re-released.

>>381629464
fuck, i mentioned clash of clans because they share SOME similarities, but if they are as stuck up as mobafags then fuck them.

>>381629626
So not only are shooters not on the decline, they are in fact more popular than ever and just gotten a new genre. And fighters, hacknslash and beat'em ups are stagnated

fuck this gay earth so much.

>Dow3
>Looks worse
>Play's worse
>So much basic gameplay wasn't even in the game
>They did everything wrong and yet they act like it's the best shit ever

>Only thing we got after 8 years is an awesome trailer

>>381623693
This guy kind of reminds me of the tool my ex was friends with. He always tried to put on an English accent, and it always, always sounded so fake and bad. It was the cringiest shit. Fucking Canadians.

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>Fantasy is getting big budget, highly successful vidya
>Dawn of War 3 is shit and flopped

if only fantasy still existed

>>381629626
But... pic related is a fun, well designed (albeit unpolished) game.

>>381622426
The same thing that happened to 2. The disregarded their consumers wishes and decided to change the game. They lucked out with 2 because it found its own new group of fans that was enough to keep it going even though they lost most of their original consumer base. They must of looked at that and let it get to their head because they changed the game even MORE and alienated fans of the first AND second games.

This is why you cant just change an I.P. willy nilly. People expect certain things if a product shares a name. Hopefully this doesn't kill 40k games for a while and they learn their lesson and get off their high horse.

>>381629995
did I imply it wasn't? You're not you when you're hungry, a chicken dinner should snack you right up

>>381628258
>genre is niche
KEK get fucked

everyone I knew was obsessed with RTS games back then. Age of Empires was the Call of Duty of those days

>>381628717
>>381627931
tfw I enjoyed AoE3

>>381623256
Fuck no, they tried to cater to the "muh pvp esports" niche. I mean come on, a short garbage campaign, sync kills removed and everything streamlined in favor of multiplayer.

DoW1&2 lived on the campaign for the initual success, the multiplayer population was just a bonus

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I just wanted more Last Stand.

>>381630112

Can't really say that either. Not to put down AoE, quite the opposite, but there wasn't the public acceptance of a franchise (or most vidya tbf) back then. Mario and Sonic maybe, if you go by numbers and not by social response.

With that all said, yes, I do think AoE had a standing across the game industry. The industry just wasn't quite as big or multifaceted as it is now.

>>381630247

I think it really depended on if you had friends to play with, much moreso than its predecessors.

>>381624782
Are you retarded? DoW1&2 were massive successes, and Total Warhammer is doing amazingly.
How about just admitting that DoW3 is a piece of shit, not the genre or setting

>>381624782
>niche genre

>>381628258
>t. underage who has no idea what he's talking about
Educate yourself, dipshit

>>381630470
>massive successes
They were modest successes. They never even came close to stuff like CoD or LoL.

>>381630371
no it definitely was

>>381630597
>4 million copies on a single platform, making it one of the best selling PC games of all time is a "modest success"

>>381629997
2 worked because it had a long campaign with loot and character leveling and co-op. It appealed to people who dont give a fuck about multiplayer garbage. Also Last Stand.

DoW1 worked because, again, it had a focus on the campaign that casual players could enjoy. It focused on the spectacle with missions that were perhaps simple, but offered cool setpieces. (Except Soulstorm which was the weakest in campaign stuff).

DoW3 is selling like shit because they dropped the Warhammer look, they didnt focus on the spectacle, and the campaign was an afterthought.

>>381630653
By today's standards anything that sells less than 6 million in its first two weeks is a failure.

>>381630597
>you have to beat LoL to be more than a modest success
Are you mentally challenged? Honest question.

>>381630972
This. Singleplayer has always been the core of these games, with multiplayer being a draw for a tiny fraction of the people who played. Way too much effort has been wasted trying to be the next korean starcraft, and that wasn't what got the genre noticed in the first place.

>>381631047
Exactly how fucking dense are you? The success of a game is determined by how many copies are sold VERSUS the amount of money put into it.
Your game can be a massive success with a couple hundred thousand initial sales. Only triple A games which pour humongous amounts into marketing with hundreds of people on dev teams require multimillion sales to get even.

>>381631096
>you don't have to be in the same ballpark as the massive successes to be considered a massive success
are you? honest question

>>381631296
>#triggered
I was just letting you know what modern developers believe. It is why most Japanese franchises are dead because they would rather make no money than some money.

>>381631301
Investment versus the revenue you get, idiot. If you invest very little, and get very much out of it, thats called a massive success.

>>381631736
>thinks they care about ROI
>when the entire industry is all about AAA blockbusters with huge budgets
No, nigger, the only thing that matters is the raw profits. Making 1 mil off a 10k investment isn't considered a massive success, it's considered a sidenote.

Are there RTSes that don't devolve into APM jerking to play competently, but has a lot of tactical depth?

>>381632287
>falling for the APM meme

For the vast majority of RTS APM matters fuck all and it's just there to stroke your ego.

>>381632287
There were. Supreme commander, kohan, rise of nations (sort of). RoN was weird in that it took a lot of apm to set up stuff like expansions, but once set up it took very little to maintain.

>>381631047
maybe for the absolute top of AAA development in the last two years

>>381627106
>AND MOBA characters in an RTS.
so wc3?

>>381632491
>>381632287
Reminder that Supreme commander has a small active community https://www.faforever.com/
AoE2 is still played, voobly and HD

>>381632287
Play TBS

>>381628719
It is too late now. Black Russian female sniper pre-order hero pack for coh3 soon

>>381623835
>mfw its just a small crew of dedicated players left
>it's always a riot to play
heh

Looking at the SteamChart active numbers it seems like this game didn't even crest a a hundred thousand sales, which would translate to some 8 million dollars.

For what it matters. Rent is probably a cool half million to a million a year.

I'm willing to bet that Sega is sitting there and saying, "Look, this is what happens when you design exclusively for a single platform" in reference to how Bayo, Valk Chronicles and Vanquish are more or less pure profit by porting to the PC. I feel like this ends RTS development from Sega, which if you think about it, is the only competition in the genre for Blizzard.

Even with a 17.5% labor cost tax credit for making video games in the Relic location, it still got fucking burnt.

One day I'm going to actually run into someone who worked on this thing and will have lost their fucking job because this more or less ends Relic at its current staffing levels and ask them what the fuck happened. It will be an interesting story. They're just going to get stripped down to a porting company by Sega with a skeleton crew getting by off sweet tax credits until they just get shutdown because they found some random company in China who will port for even cheaper even taking tax credits into account.

>>381630360

This. Just make more Last Stand maps, heroes, etc.

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>make RTS games
>put in shitty weak campaign
>don't support custom anything

>be shocked no one plays your game.
WAOW

I remember when the game was in beta and cucks attacked me for saying it's dead on release

Should have made it a DoW2 clone. Fuck RTS, it's a shit anachronism that deserves to die already, RTT is where the real fun at. I hope you DoW1 faggots are happy with your game.

>no mods or total conversion support
LMAO only cucks and faggots defend this game.

>>381628320
wow i didnt even know there was an empire earth 2 and 3. is it any good?

>>381629459
>posting another shitty RTS that sold poorly because it was shit, not because it was an RTS

People are fucking starved for a good RTS. Absolutely starved for one, and there's not one to be seen. Companies forget that RTS players by and large want fun campaigns not eSports. eSports arise when people who love the base game have a desire to git gud and test their mettle online, designing a game to be eSports first and an RTS second is killing RTS.

Because it's an ass backwards way to design a game. Most people, the vast majority, will not play at a high level, let alone eSport level. When you balance and design a game for 0.1% of players, the other 99.9% are going to find fault with the game.

Best rts games these days are single player focused. Look at the success of total war. They kept pushing multiplayer harder and harder ever fucking game and the nail in the coffin was the exports meme every try hard rts trumpets.

A lack of content for the multiplayer focus was the coffin.

>>381636060
This. WHAT WERE THEY THINKING!? WHAT WAS SEGA THINKING WHEN TOTAL WARHAMMER HAS PROVEN THAT OFFICIAL MOD SUPPORT BOOSTS SALES!?

>>381637637
They were thinking 'MUH DLC' with dollar signs for eyes.

>>381637637
There is no way to measure whether it boosts sales or not, so stop talking out of your ass like you know better than anyone. All we can say for certain is that the most subscribed mod is used by around 10% of current owners, so any boost in sales would be insubstantial.

MEDIOCRE AS SHIT

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>Shitty story
>Shitty artstyle
>Shitty gameplay

It had everything going for it and they managed to bungle the most important aspects of the game even though they had two previous games in the series that did well and were good on their own accord.

>>381632287
No you slow ass piece of shit you go play Medieval II or something

Git fast you crutching moron hidden pooper

>>381638898
Also shit balancing
Shit voice acting
Shittier effects

Shitty every fucking thing

>>381638996
This guy is the audience rts' have tried to court by going esport. This mouthbreathing retard is who they abandoned literally everyone else for.
Modern RTS deserve to fail.

>>381630972
it's fucking weird how I managed to get like 200 hours of out DC's campaign but I can barely get 20 out of DoW3's

It's just too linear and half of it feels like a tutorial

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I really enjoyed DoW 1 and 2, played them as single player games. I bought almost all the dlc they made for the games.

Bought DoW3 at launch after looking forward to it for months.

It looked ugly.
It wasn't fun to play.
They forced you to swap faction, you couldn't play as one.
The story was poop.
Pandering to social justice (minor complain in the grand scheme but still)
The campaign was awful.
The tutorial missions gave an insanely awful first impression.
The story cut-scenes were cheaply made and boring to look at.
Refunded it at the 90 min mark.

I watched a let's play to spoil the whole game after refunding it to make sure I wouldn't be tempted to buy it again at a later date.

There is pretty much nothing they can do to this game to make me buy it again, it's like battleborn. There is no way they can do enough work on it to make the bad things good (costs too much and would take too long) and it's left bad taste in peoples mouths at this point anyway.

As was said above, the sad part is that the publishers won't understand why the game did so bad.

>>381639142
Yeah voice acting was fucking atrocious.

>>381639349
There are no modern RTS because you and people like you can't fight or think and create tactics at the same time, slow molasses that want everything done for them, no depth in rules of engagement

>Bwaaa bwaaaaa the M-MOBAS a-

Fuck you. APM is not what matters the most and if you complain about APM it's because you don't even understand 1+1 = kills the fucking marine spam

>>381622426
Fuck RTS. Give me TBS.

BADASS

>>381639671
advanced wars when

>muh assfagots
>muh esports
>muh wider audience

they deserve to be fucking homeless

>>381639571
Nah. Go back to your dying korean pandering piece of shit, starcraftfag.

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>>381622426

people wanted either DoW1 or DoW2 again.

they offered neither.

cue the flaming wreck.

>>381639761
Who do i need to kill to get the SRW backlog translated?

>>381629459
>windows 10 exclusive
And that is why I won't play it

>>381622426
no marketing
didn't even know it came out

I dunno man, I'm a huge Warhammer fan and played a lot of the video games (not Eternal Crusade that looked like shit), including DoW1/2, Space marine, and battlefleet gothic and I had almost no interest in this game.

Appealing to a wider audience is pointless with nerd games. The tards don't get these games and don't care for them. Fuck, I know people who found Skyrim overwhelming.
Dawn of War without the cool RTS stuff Dawn of War fans love appeals to nobody

>>381636393
I'm always afraid to say I play RTS games for the campaigns but it's starting to sound like a lot of people feel the same way. Not that MP doesn't matter at all but there's definitely an audience for a good campaign based RTS.

I wonder if they'll try to fix their mistakes with DLC/expansions or just add new races and push the esports meme harder

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>>381639786

>people wanted either DoW1 or DoW2 again.

It's honestly impressive how easy it would've been for them to not fuck this up. Nobody has ever wanted anything else except a tweaked/updated DoW in terms of mechanics with maybe some elements from DoW2 and the original CoH, all of which have large fanbases that would've jumped at the chance.

How were they this fucking etarded?

>>381629153
was ORC that bad? seemed like a nice concept but when it was released I was out of country for postgrad and it was basically dead when I got back so I never bothered.

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>>381640216
>Fuck, I know people who found Skyrim overwhelming.

I know people like these too.

>>381629537
>it just sucks we won't get another AAA RTS for a very, VERY long time
I guess you didnt watch the PC conference at E3, they said to expect a big annuncement

>>381642641
this is literally nothing -the post

>>381629537
I honestly don't want another AAA rts. AA maybe, something with a sane budget and sales expectations to match so they can focus on gameplay that isn't starcraft.

>>381642747
not my fault you like a dead genre

>>381640218
Literally almost everyone plays RTS for the campaign, its just a very vocal minority who always throws a tantarum about multiplayer.

>>381642641
does Dow3 count as AAA? it looks like a low budget game

>>381642747
supposedly they're making a new AoE

>>381632059
>make a thousand of 10k games
>make a billion profit

>>381643479
cool beans

>>381622426
They released half of a game at full price.

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>>381622426


They made a game for the classic RTS/DoW player, but didn't realize that the genre is dead.

Should have focused more on getting new people into the genre.

>>381625828
Curren number of peak players
Dawn of War 100
Dawn of War Winter Assault 50
Dawn of War Dark Crusade 270
Dawn of War Soulstorm 800
Dawn of War II 300.
Dawn of War II Chaos Rising 100.
Dawn of War II Retribution 400.

Total: 2020 players current 24 hours peak.

>>381645462
>most people play the games that are closest to a normal RTS
This really fired up my brain cell

>>381623835
At least Eternal Crusade was fun for some time.
DoW sucks since the very first minute you start the game.

>>381632059
we're talking about the industry two decades ago, not now

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>>381645462
>270 people play RTS DoW for the campaign
This is actually pretty impressive.

>>381640218
same

I can honestly say I've never played more than a dozen online matches across every RTS I own.

>>381623693
He's trying to be total biscuit but he speaks too slow and throws in way too many jokes

>>381628258
>Starcraft and Warcraft
>Niche

Starcraft alone sold over a million on its first day in 1998

>>381629045
>muh consoles

The shitty Halo Wars port was above Dawn Of War 3 in top sellers, and I garuentee the second game sold better than DoW3 despite being limited to Win10

>>381622426
>Want the e-sport faggots
>Can't remap controlls
>No WASD camera controlls
What the fuck were they thinking

>>381649872
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>>381639671
here you go family

>>381628630
WC3 didn't kill it off, WoW did.

>>381622426
i never even heard that of that it released lmao

>>381644917
Stale bait, kill yourself immediately.
DoW3 died because its a shit game from ground up. They removed every single crucial aspect from the previous titles in favor of pandering to a nonexistent esport crowd.
>no decent campaign
>no co-op
>no sync kills
>no Last Stand
>garbage artstyle and goofy animations

Fuck you. Also as far as I know, setting up custom matches is trash, but I wont bother to confirm that one.

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>>381650467
>goofy animations
i lost it every time angelos did a somersault. someone at lelic thought it was cool

>>381650738
For me it was the heavy bolters
What in gods cock were they thinking

>>381640229
they wanted larger numbers than what CoH2 can pull and thought pandering to the MOBA audience will do that.

Instead we got this abortion. I'm hoping GW will bend over to some aspiring dev team to make a World at War / Wargames-esque WH40k RTS.

>>381635742
They wanted the e-sport/moba audience, they dont understand you make a good game and the audience is generated to play it, and not the other way

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>>381649954
>no WASD camera controls
What the fuck? I got a free copy of this shit, didn't even redeem it, and I still feel ripped off.

What's your ideal Warhammer 40k game?

>Class based shooter ala Star Wars Battlefront
>But the classes come in tiers
>Tiers are unlocked when certain amount of total kills have been made (EG: Tier 2 classes unlock when 20 total kills have been made in the entire match)
>"Capture the point" system like Battlefront except certain points give bonus shit to classes
>And another that allows classes that can deep strike to deep strike

I am actually working on how the tier list would work with classes, starting with necrons.

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Everyone asked for Dawn of War 3.

But somehow they gave us a Dawn of War 3 that nobody asked for.

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>>381630972
>they dropped the Warhammer look, they didnt focus on the spectacle

The most confusing thing about that is that this is Relic we're talking about, who in the past knew exactly how to nail the Warhammer feel like nobody else. Space Marine as a game was fairly repetitive and resoundingly average, but I enjoyed the hell out of it because as Astartes Simulator it was damn near perfect even down to the sound of Titus' footsteps.

Plus the whole deal with Dark Crusade Vs. Soulstorm. SS is mechanically better than DC in some significant ways, but because DC nailed the setting and SS bungled it horribly you tend to see people proclaiming DC as the best DoW game - purely on the strength of how well it captured the essence of the 40k universe with its characters and locations.

40k is 100% style over substance in everything it does, and that's what the people who buy 40k games are after. I want to play a Warhammer game with all the funkiness that entails; if I wanted some finely tuned gameplay masterpiece I'd go to a different series because I know it's damn near impossible to have both at the same time.

Personally I consider DoW1 to be the most fun RTS ever made but I only play RTS for singleplayer. DoW1 however is a game that I have fun with even when I just skirmish with AI.

DoW 2 I didn't enjoy as much but it had a strong singleplayer campaign and I still thought it was pretty good.

DoW 3 I have 3 hours in and i bought it day one. For me what completely killed my will to play was when I realized how utterly worthless basic units were. When I watched a huge army of space marines just melt to an AoE ability I just stopped playing.

>>381653931
>tfw no space marine 2

Space marine was a pretty average TPS but it had good impactful combat, felt like it really had some weight to it.
>tfw mowing down orcs with a bolter rifle

>>381629626
CoD is literally still the best-selling game each year.

>>381654256
It's funny that the same company that made the god awful DoW """""""bolters"""""" made those fucking beasts in Space Marine.

Did someone tell them that Bolters aren't just regular machine guns?

The only way to save RTS is turn it into anime and add romances

>>381630470
>>381630653


>Massive successes

Dow 2 was shat on by the fanbase
Retribution had a peak of 8k players

>4 milion copies

Out for almost a decade and both games sold for 3 bucks at times

DoW1 is literally kept alive by a handful of koreans
dow2 has been completely dwad for years

>>381635664
Sega does not operate as a single monolithic company, for better or worse.

Sega Europe are one of the biggest PC publishers and they're not going to abandon PC because of one failure. Remember, they own Football Manager, they own Endless Space and they own Total War.

They will probably push them to create something else other than Dawn of War.

(Also, DoW3 will probably sell way more copies once it's been discounted - PC games are less front-loaded and European/PC gamers are way more price-conscious than their console counterparts)

I hope they compare the playerbase to that what CoH2 still has after these years and conclude the game itself was a failure, not the RTS genre being dead.

>>381622426
It's funny because this is one of the games PCfags pull out when they're asked what are some good PC exclusives to justify building one.

>>381636207
EE3 is widely considered to be a travesty.

>>381654168

It's actually the opposite, basic units are too strong, upgrades basically double their effectiveness lategame, making elites other than the titans useless

Before the recent nerfs some basic units like banshees and asm could literally melt units with their abilities

>>381622426
So is it a MOBA or what?

>>381654513

CoH2 at one point reached almost 1k concurrent players, it was relic working on it that saved it

that,sales and WFA

ITT: Plebs attempt to rewrite history by claiming RTS was niche.

>>381649954
>No WASD camera controlls
If you hold, I think ALT or something, it enables WASD

>>381622426

I just pirated it and it is so bland, rehashed and actively worse than both 1 and 2. They completely removed cover, except for in these fucking boxes, your 'Elites' can take on the same as half your full fucking force, the missions are bland, you HAVE to play as the other two races each fucking mission (I.e. mission 1 - Spesh muhreens, then Orks, then Space Elves, Marines again, etc) which kind of fucks with my flow. It feels like they tried to copy Warcraft 3 but failed in making the characters interesting and the story compelling.

It's just such a fucking shame, man. Even DoW II was great in my opinion, not as good as 1 was at the time but this is just shit.

>>381623962
Kek

>>381655181

>Worse than 2

Let's not exagerate, 2 is a travesty

>every warhammer 40k game sucks
>most warhammer fantasy games are good
makes you think

>>381655784

DoW II is a fucking flawless GOTY compared to this shit, believe me. I've never seen a series decline this hard but DoW II still made me enjoy the campaign, albeit not like DoW I. Here I'm pretty sure I'll drop it after another three hours.

It's like these people like shooting themselves in the foot or something.

>SC2.
>Only make it APM click fest for esports and ignore everything else.
>Wonder why no one likes your game.

>HW2
>Make it W10 exclusive and as PC unfriendly as possible.
>Wonder why no one plays it.

>DoW3.
>Make it a MOBA.
>Wonder why no one plays your game.

>8Bit armies.
>give it shitty voxel graphics and put zero effort in to everything.
>Wonder why no one plays it.

RTS in 2017 OMEGALUL

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>>381622426
>have a small but dedicated fanbase that won't shut up about your shit games
>turn on that fanbase to sell the new game to masses that did not play it in first place
>???
>???

>>381622426

>I-i-its j-just the w-weekend nobody is playing yet

I pirated it and the campaign is so fucking boring. But it made me install dow1 so there's that

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>>381623137
>RTS IS DEEAAAAAAD

Retard

>What was X's problem?
>What went wrong?
>What is X's end-game?
>What did X mean by this?
>This is X. Say something nice about them!
>Is X, dare I say it, /our X/?
>now that the dust has settled
>Why is this allowed
>*blocks your path*
>*teleports behind you*

>>381657593
You dumbass, read his post again.

>>381657220
How did Relic turn on the fanbase?

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>>381657717
By not listening to them?

No one asked for MOBA heroes
No one asked for defend the turret being the only mode
No one asked for fucking MUH ARMY DOCTRINES
No one asked basebuilding back but also to cut out all the interesting features of basebuilding (such as defensive and utility structures)
No one asked for a watered down combined campaign
No one asked for the complete removal of the war-gear system, thereby killing all SP replayability

etc etc etc

>>381657717
They created a wildly different game with features no one asked for. It's not even an RTS anymore. I don't know what the fuck it is, it's some weird hybrid between a RTS and moba. A RTBA (S purchased separately) maybe.

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>>381657593
Animated wax figurines are still just wax figurines, not people.

Living genres don't have to make rely on remasters of 20 year old games that were completely outshined and not playable by 1998 done by a studio of underfunded fan modders.
That's not a sign of a living genre, that is literally scraping the fucking bottom of the barrel because they've run out of games to remake.

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>>381622426
Hopefully they will add new faction to CoH2

>>381623962

fucking lol

>>381655784
Fuck you, 2 was good. You can actually get absorbed when playing and the campaign with its RPG item mechanic was fun. Shame they had to cookie cutter it in Retribution.

>>381657860
>No one asked for the complete removal of the war-gear system, thereby killing all SP replayability

Except the massive angry hordes of DoW1 players who called DoW2 a fucking travesty Diablo clone.

>No one asked for a watered down combined campaign

Except, again the Dawn of War 1 people who were asking for a normal RTS camapign since Dark Crusade that omitted the campaign entirely and they wanted more.
Also, by far the biggest complaint for all campaigns before was the fact they were forcing you to play Space Marines.

>No one asked basebuilding back but also to cut out all the interesting features of basebuilding (such as defensive and utility structures)
I thought DoW3 had all the buildings of DoW1 minus the mines? And quite frankly, you'd have to be a retard to ever build mines. That's why Relic completely changed how they worked in CoH.

>>381623693
Arch is a faggot and should be shot.

>>381653681

My ideal 40k game is basically, Wargame: 40K edition.

>Large map with control sectors, buildings, terrain etc.
>Build decks worth X amount of points (just like points lists in 40k)
>hundreds of units on the screen

Fuck Relic, just let Eugen make a 40K RTS.

>>381658338
Sounds horrible.

You're literally doing the equivalent of Nelson's drawing here: "It's a plane made out of guns that shoot guns that shoot guns!"
There were 40k mods for SupCom and Spring and such.
All of them crashed and burned because it is frankly a piece of bullshit design cobbled by neanderthals.

>>381657673
>>381657593
It's amazing how the "lol retard :^)" crowd are usually so fucking oblivious to their own stupidity.

>>381658284
dow2 campaigns were great. a lot of replayability and high production value. the endings for retribution made up for the shitty copy and paste.

>>381658284

lmao is this a joke? playing the same map 20 times is good?

The only decent campaign was CR, and even that is plagued by difficulty problmes it's either a cakewalk or a slog with enemies having 2mil hp

>>381658318
>I thought DoW3 had all the buildings of DoW1 minus the mines? And quite frankly, you'd have to be a retard to ever build mines. That's why Relic completely changed how they worked in CoH.
It has no turrets, no generators and no mines and depending on which faction you play DoW3 has a few less options on top of that

Not to mention DoW3 has a whole less race available to play.

DoW2 had fucking supremely phenomenal audio. The heavy boot steps from marines, those thundering bolter sounds, fucking ATLEAST 10-15 or MORE minutes of dialogue PER FUCKING UNIT, and that's not campaign speech. They just have something unique for every situation. And the voicework is PERFECT.

Fuck you. DoW2 is great. Yes, it has flaws, I agree. It should've been on a bigger scale. But its gritty visuals, the sound, the tactical gameplay all worked fairly well.

>>381630441
I only played the story mode and skirmishes with AI, I have never touched the multiplayer.

>>381658895
Turrets are in.
They literally copied the buildings from DoW1.

Space Marines (DoW1):
Stronghold,
Listening Post,
Generator, Thermal Generator,
Chapel Barracks,
Armoury,
Machine Cult,
Orbital Relay,
Bolter Turret,
Mines.

Space Marines (DoW3):
Stronghold,
Listening Post,
Barracks,
Doctrine Chapel,
Arsenal,
Machine Cult,
Bolter Turret,
Requisition Generator,
Generator,
Elite Point improvement.

...Anon? You seem to be lying on the internet.

>>381659332
Yeah. Turrets are in as of like a few days ago. When was the game released? Oh right.

>>381658852
>20 times is good?
You're fucking retarded if you played a planet more than 20 times.

>it's either a cakewalk or a slog with enemies having 2mil hp
Its almost sounds like a videogame with wrong and optimal builds.

>>381659373
>When was the game released? Oh right.

When DoW1 released, it only had 1 playable faction (well 2, I mean you could play the Space Marines in the campaign).
When the game was released? Oh right.

>>381629980
DON'T YOU EVER POST THAT IMAGE AGAIN HERE FAGGOT I WILL FUCKING END YOU IF YOU TRY THAT SHIT AGAIN!

>>381659712
Lmao, you fucking what? DoW1 was released with Orcs, Eldar, Chaos and Space Marines. And it had turrets and mines on release.

>>381659712
>>381659332
>when the shills of a dead on arrival game wake up
lmao

>>381653931
>>381654256
I found the averageness to be the game's saving grace ironically. It came out when we were swarmed with over the shoulder cover based shooters so something that felt like it was a third person shooter straight out of 2003 but with prettier graphics was a nice change of pace.

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>tfw actual good games are dead

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>>381659332
>Generator
Not a free building in DoW3, has to be built on points
>Bolter Turret
Wasn't in the game until a week or so ago
>Mines
Nonexistant

>DoW1 only had 1 playable faction on release
Looks like you're the only one lying here, shill.

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>>381628320
>Warcraft 3

>>381628719
but coh2 is already shit

>>381659863
>Lmao, you fucking what?

The campaign was Space Marine only.
Online was Eldar only because they had this nasty combo no faction could beat before the patches hit. And everyone used it.
You were either playing Eldar or listening to Gaybriel Anjelos' manly voice in that short-ass campaign.

DoW1 was a pretty shit game at release.
Not exactly a saving grace for Relic but saying "Well but this was true before patches." is kind an asshole thing to do and rips into the other DoW games even more.

>>381628719
PLEASE KILL COH SO THE PLAYERS CAN MIGRATE TO STEEL DIVISION

>>381660349
Nice moving of the goalposts you worthless shill. Kys.

Not even the Halo brand developed by the AoE2 Team could sell RTS to normalfags. The wider audience meme just can't be done with the genre, which is why corporate don't invest in it anymore.

Games not even that bad honestly.

Could easily be far better than 1 with 1 or 2 expansion answering some issues like the lack of interesting upgrades in general or weapon choices (like flame and plasma for tacticals) and overall a lack of units due to most being elites.
Oh and good maps of course, they suck even for the game mode this game came with.

I won't bother though, i just can't enjoy RTS anymore, too much work i could just put in far more entertaining gendras like fighting games.

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>>381660442
Oh, I see.

Go jump off a bridge, famlam. And take that dragon dildo you shove up your ass every night with you.

>Make Dawn of War 1 with Dawn of War 2 graphics & engine
>???
>Free money
>Instead make an 'Esport' abomination.

>>381660670
>the game could easily be better than DoW1 and 2 if it wasn't shit
yeah sounds about right anon

>>381660796
Has there ever been a game designed as an Esport that actually turned into one? They always seem to crash and burn.

Ride to hell retribution devs made it

>>381660796
>Make Dawn of War 1 with Dawn of War 2 graphics & engine
>???
>Free money

Literally first thing they did.
GUESS FUCKING WHAT. IT DID NOT FUCKING WORK.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BZVg2gFSDg

"Oh hey, I'm an asshole dev that only sees money."
"Surely I want to make up contrived ideas of who knows what game modes instead of jumping at an obvious goldmine that will make me super rich with no fucking effort."

Anon, you really need to apply some basic rationality to your thinking because you come up with the most retarded conclusions.

>>381660726
No anon. Shove the entire goalpost up your ass if you're so keen on moving it.

You're fucking claim was baseless and retarded from the start.

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>>381661231
Dude, just return to the dick rate homoerotic threads from which you so obviously came here.

DoW1(Full )> DoW2 (Full) > DoW3 > DoW2 (base) > DoW1 (base)

>>381661451
You can't accuse someone of being a homo when you projected your use of dragon dildos everynight onto someone else first. Now kiss me homo.

>>381661154
DoW3 is nothing like either of those two games. Fuck off you clueless retard and try playing the game before defending it

>>381661154
https://youtu.be/4BZVg2gFSDg?t=428
That was the moment when they did not realize they fucked up

>>381662228
The video talks about how they literally remade DoW1 in DoW2 engine and shit went south, anon-kun. Add some reading to those basic logical thought lessons.

>>381629995
You are cancer.

company of heroes is goat, kys warhams

>>381661081

OF course not. Even the new SF games suck because they are becoming more Esporty.

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>>381622426
What went right?

Seems that they finally finished the game and moved on. Even the balance patches are made by the community now.

>>381658080
Not going to happen.

>>381630353
What. Everything about this game screams "wider audience"

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>people loved to play single player campaigns, single maps and lollygag in LAN with their friends
>also, watch the incredibly small part of the players who play competitive
>WATCH
>"lets force competitive game on all the players"
Gee, I wonder why all the new games fail and now the genre is dead.

Daily reminder Elite Mod still exists and isn't complete cancer like DoW3

RTS genre is dead
and DoW3 tried to be something else than RTS too