FINAL FANTASY XV

XV-kun will you just fuck off already.

Fuck off

>>381567248
>When your characters only pass because you can come up with a laundry list of negative epithets to spew about them, and only 15 minutes after playing the game due to it being a completely forgettable disaster of a game, it's not a positive thing

Except that's not how the Mr. Plinkett Personality test works. You have to list positive traits that they have to interact with others with various emotions. If they were negative, then they wouldn't have the 4-5 emotions on the spectrum to pass.

>Petty unlikable cunts who only care about their own selfish desires, with absolutely no likable traits to any of them

Clearly you are a troll at this point XV-kun. Stop embarrassing yourself

>>381567475
Yes, because FF8 and FF9 looked exactly the same. Except for the fact that they clearly didn't.

Seriously, look back at FF7's sprite and monster work and tell me that's anything like FF8 or FF9.

again, troll harder next time XV-kun

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>>381567592
XV-kun would argue the game is complete, anon.
I realize it isn't.

>>381567656
>Yes, because FF8 and FF9 looked exactly the same. Except for the fact that they clearly didn't.
Obviously not because they didn't reuse 100% of the assets you fucking retard.
Nice try though XIII-kun, only a Sith deals in absolutes.

>>381567457
Only 7 months? Man it feels like it came out 2-3 ago for some reason

>>381567656
Can you guys please stop replying to him

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>>381567457
>What's the verdict?
Absolute garbage.

>>381567889
I'm not XV-kun, just some delusional XIII shitposter who thinks I am even though he's the only one who's mentioned XV for this entire conversation. I'm actually an FFXII fag

>>381567457
It's the best FF yet.

>>381567773
Then what assets did they 'reuse'? You are just pointing fingers are a boogey man that doesn't exist.

XIII-2 and X-2 are the result of fan demand dude. Just stop with the whole "But muh reused assets!"

Let's recall that Final Fantasy Fortress was suppose to be XII-2 but got killed off due to lack of a fan demand and rising costs.

Nice try XV-kun, but you are just trolling at this point.

>>381567889
Sorry, but he's just some idiot who can't take facts and research over his fantasy.

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>>381567656
Can we please

PLEASE
Just have ONE thread without XV-kun making page long posts defending the game tooth and nail, "it's a feature not a fault" etc etc etc

Please, I like the game a lot but holy shit there are definitely some things wrong with it.

For the love of God every thread where XV-kun wasn't in it for at least 50 replies has been civil, nice discussion about the game. XV-kun is the CATALYST of extreme shitposting in regards to XV and is actively detracting from productive conversation.

I just want to talk about the game I like, so please, PLEASE

Just

Fuck

Off

>>381567992
I want to but he's just being an idiot. Now he's hiding under the XII name just to try and disillusion people.

>>381567889
How is calling out a delusional retard that still thinks XIII-2 and -3 would exist if they didn't have a ton of cut content from XIII make someone XV-kun?

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>>381567457
imo goty 2016
ep gladio was ok mainly just for the boss fights
ep Prompto looks good and glad to see more ara coming

>>381567992
Blame the FFXIII fanboy starting shit by shitting on FFXII randomly in order to defend his shit game because he thinks he can get away with it now that an even shittier FF game has been released.

>>381567656
>>381567592
>calling random people xv-kun

>>381568258
It's just typical Lightning armpit faggots shitposting to defend their awful fucking garbage game like they've been doing since it came out and was universally panned by everyone who wasn't Toriyama or an armpit fetish degenerate faggot.

The only good thing about FFXIII was that it, along with Too Human, are the reason I didn't waste money on FFXV.

>>381567992
go to r/FFXV

From last thread, the reason 13-2 was a method to recoup costs was because Crystal Tools was a fucking disaster. They spent a fuckload on an engine where every other game to use it bar DQX fell through. XIII itself profited, but they still lost money on investing in making CT.

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>>381567934
You mean absolutely fantastic. Learn how shields, magic, warpstrikes and combos work and stop being a retard.

>>381568214
>h-he started
Just don't. It's not like he will change his mind or be convinced by any argument anyway.

>>381568118
Because he's denying the actual facts while trying to prop up FF15 on a pedistal

>>381568214
FF12 was forgotten by everybody. Fortress was cancelled. Nobody say the IZJS for 10 years outside Japan.

FF13 wasn't forgotten, it got XIII-2 (and thus LR) from fan demand, and it didn't have to make a second version of the original game to prove it had something of worth.

>>381568403
>>381568440

Hi XV-kun. Looks to me like denying facts and research is still going strong for you, isn't it. Get over yourself dude.

>>381568440
n-no the jews trying to sell me a product said it was because of fan demand even though the game barely sold more than FFXII in spite of the larger install base and the massive marketing budget they burned on the game stop trying to break my delusional fantasy that Lightning-sama is popular and well-liked

>>381567992
No, the shitposting is the people trying to shit on the game thinking their little drive by shitposts can go unchecked.

Also the person that fag is responding to isn't even me, so I have no idea what the fuck that shit was even brought into this thread.

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>>381568453
No I mean absolutely garbage, reminder you can't launch in XV.

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It may have not been the best FF game but it was definitely the most emotional.

>>381568118
He didn't even mention XV-kun in that post

>>381568521
>calling random people XV-kun again.

FFXV-kun!
FFXV-kun!
FFXV-kun!

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>>381568640
>but it was definitely the most emotional.
That would be X.

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>>381568521
That last one you replied to isn't XV-kun, it's a fact that SE lost money making Crystal Tools (especially since they kept trying to modify it for Versus, which fell through.)

>>381567457
games unfinished mess.

I don't get why most people shit on XIII but defend X. 13 is just the logical conclusion to 10's design philosophy and writing style.
Seriously, X is fucking trash with a few glimmers of quality.

>>381568453
Threadly reminder XV kun thinks Abrahamic God couldn't kill Ardyn.

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Reminder that Tabata is just Nomura but more people friendly and Versus XIII would have likely been almost the same as XV

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>>381568612
So you mean it's absolutely fantastic, reminder that you don't need to launch because enemies get vulnerable on the ground anyway. You can't do directional inputs or manually switch weapons on the fly in KH3.

>>381568791

People have far too much nostalgia for X.

That said X is way better than XIII could ever hope to be even though they are very similar.

>>381568565
Again:

>XIII outsold XII
>6.2 million to 5.1 million in one year
>Ask people if they want to see more
>Fortress was canned, XIII-2 existed
>Japan cared much more about XIII and Lightning
>"Basch and Ashe who?" asked Japan

>>381568667
Dude, we know it is you, Just stop embarrassing yourself.

>>381568729
How did they lose money from Crystal Tools? The only time I saw them lose money back in those times was the FF14 disaster and the Tomb Raider over selling. I seem to recall they were quite profitable with both FF13 and FF13-2.

>>381568791
Dude, FF10 became a huge fan favorite and outdid FF8 and FF9. That's why FF10 remaster basically broke the internet over there.

>>381568930
But FF13 is much closer to FF10 dude.

>>381568521
>FF12 was forgotten by everybody
Except for everybody that loved it, reviewers who gave it higher scores than FFXIII, and consumers who, in spite of the smaller install base and significantly smaller marketing budget, bought almost as many copies, and continue buying merchandise related to it to this day, including >$100 statues of the characters that were made, unlike XIII which got some PAKshit. Not to mention FFXIII got a tiny tie-in event and single outfit in their big MMO just to promote one of the sequels while FFXII, a supposedly "irrelevant" game, is getting an entire raid dedicated to it.
Not to mention FFXII is getting a remaster and an official English release of the International version, which FFXII actually got unlike FFXIII which had no re-releases besides the shitty half-assed PC port that didn't even get any added features like previous FF re-releases.
>Nobody say the IZJS for 10 years outside Japan.
Assuming you're saying nobody cared about IZJS outside japan: No fucking shit, the game was Japanese only which made it a pain in the ass to play if you couldn't read Japanese.
>FF13 wasn't forgotten
LOL
>from fan demand
*from cut content
>didn't have to make a second version of the game to prove it had something of worth
So now you're shitting on FF10 and every KH game too?

>>381568880
>You can't do directional inputs
You can't in XV either, you just hold O and watch.

>>381568880
>reminder that you don't need to launch because enemies get vulnerable on the ground anyway
It was just explained to you why this is completely fucking wrong, why are you still going on about it.

>You can't do directional inputs or manually switch weapons on the fly in KH3.
You don't have alternate Square attacks in XV either, what's your point?

>>381568825
Threadly reminder that SBK91 thought Dante could beat Goku.

Threadly reminder than SBK91 thought that the FF13 gods were Abrahamic gods and could somehow beat Ardyn, when the FF13 gods aren't any different in power to the Astrals in XV.

Thready reminder that SBK91 thought you could just warp to a warp point at the camp fights to recover MP instantly, despite there being no warp points at the camp fights.

Threadly reminderthat SBK91 thinks you can just hold O to win against the camp fights.

>>381568857
>Reminder that Tabata is just Nomura
They really aren't anything alike
And that bottom scene is probably referencing kh1

>>381568974
The only thing that makes FFXIII close to FFX is that it's linear, but then again, XIII's linearity makes FFX look like fucking Deus Ex

>>381568565
It did sell a good bit more, but you're right: 12 was a 9 situation, a backburner game at the end of a generation that didn't get as much marketing.

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>>381568974
>I seem to recall they were quite profitable with both FF13 and FF13-2.
The games were, yeah, but the engine itself had separate R&D costs from 13. Keep in mind they were trying to make it a "universal engine" to suit both 13 and Versus 13, as well as entering the HD era (which required a lot more work going into engine creation) paired with moving an engine built for PS3 to Xbox 360, and you have a loooooot of money to recoup. Luckily, as you said, 13 and 13-2 sold well. Had they not, I don't know if we'd have XV to be honest.

>>381568974
Fortress would have needed new assets, and XII got a sequel anyway.
13-2 is almost entirely reused and modified assets, and LR was a quick, dirty, ugly use of a failed engine that seemed far lower budget than even Fortress would have entailed.

>>381568148
Wow, she actually has a butt. Bravo Square!

>>381569096
In 2013, FFXIII had sold 6.6 million copies. That's (obviously) not including the PC port.
In 2009, FFXII had sold 6 million copies. That's not including IZJS.
FFXII was a backburner game at the end of the generation. FFXIII was SE's most marketed game to date, including a superbowl commercial (which instantly adds $1 million to the marketing costs, which was likely only slightly less than XII's total marketing budget.).
>Threadly reminderthat SBK91 thinks you can just hold O to win against the camp fights.
How could he be so wrong? You have to hold square sometimse too.

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W O A H

>>381569395
Second part was meant for >>381569071

>>381568974
>we
You are accusing people who aren't even me as somehow being me.

>>381569037
You can in XV, you have direcitonal inputs on various weapons, some which do sidesteps, backflips, forward lunges, charges, self launchers and more.

>>381569046
It was just explained to you why you're completely fucking wrong, why are you still going on about it?

>You don't have alternate Square attacks in XV either
Why would it when you already have warpstrike which is different on different weapons, as well as attack and directional inputs, as well as manual weapon switching

>>381569431
FFXV is Death Stranding is Silent Hills Caramel did nothing wrong

>>381568974
>>6.2 million to 5.1 million in one year
>1.1 million more copies for a multiplat that had 1000x the marketing budget and development cost
Yeah man, what a profitable game.

>>381569071
>bringing up some boogeyman means XV kun didn't think Abrahamic God couldn't kill Ardyn
>implying anyone but himself ever believed any god in FF was analogous to Abrahamic God
>implying all this shit combined would come close to thinking YHWH wouldn't squash Ardyn like a bug

>>381568930
Oh I agree, it's just that people act like 13 came out of nowhere when it's the natural progression of X's design. Aside from some aspects of the writing, the world design, and Pre-Besaid and endgame being great, the game is just dreadful.

>>381569395
>SE's most marketed
7 had $100 million go into marketing

>>381569071
Okay. It's been a while since I've posted in XV threads but who the fuck is SBK91?

>>381569557
Ardyn is the most powerful being in a video game, stay triggered.

>>381567457
I enjoyed it more than I thought I would. I'm just sad they're adding trophies to DLC because nothing pisses me off more like seeing a 86 percent Platinum.

>>381568976
>Except for everybody that loved it, reviewers who gave it higher scores than FFXIII

Dude, FF8 and FF12 had higher critic scores, but FF13 did much better than either of them

>bought almost as many copies, and continue buying merchandise related to it to this day

Except FF13 did sell more than FF12 (5.1 million to 6.2 million) you are 1.1 million more with FF13 than with FF12.

>Not to mention FFXIII got a tiny tie-in event and single outfit in their big MMO just to promote one of the sequels while FFXII, a supposedly "irrelevant" game, is getting an entire raid dedicated to it.

But nobody remembered FF12 for almost a decade until some nostalgic people wanted it back and wanted the IZJS because it overhauled things.

>Assuming you're saying nobody cared about IZJS outside japan: No fucking shit, the game was Japanese only which made it a pain in the ass to play if you couldn't read Japanese.

Then explain to me how come so many people wanted to get their hands on the Final Mixes of KH1 and KH2 and not of FF12?

Again, FF13 did better, sold better, had better demand and the fact that it didn't have to be overhauled. FF10 and the KH games didn't have overhauls either. Only FF12 had it's combat and gameplay overhauled.

>>381569292
Love to break it to you, but Revenant Wings is not considered FF12-2. The people working on it denied any connection

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WHEN
WHEN

WHEN IS THIS HAPPENING TELL ME WHEN

>>381569679
It should given how FF13 basically skyrocked to the second highest selling FF game to that of FF7.

>>381569669
>but FF13 did much better than either of them
It sold less than 8

>>381569669
>Dude, FF8 and FF12 had higher critic scores
Yeah, even fucking FF8 was higher rated, kek.
>FF13 did better
Raw sales is not equivalent to performance. Profit is what matters and FFXIII could not be more profitable than XII.

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>>381568640
>it was definitely the most emotional.
True

>>381569465
>It was just explained to you why you're completely fucking wrong, why are you still going on about it?
>he literally copypasted the accusation hurled at him word for word
Does Polly want a cracker? On that note, explain how vulnerable lets you move enemies away from their buddies to get in a safer position, XV kun. Explain how it allows for ringouts. Explain how it allows you to keep them vulnerable indefinitely. Explain how it allows you to perform proper combos. Because if you can't, you're fucking wrong.

>Why would it
Of course, you pretend XV having different inputs means it's ok it doesn't have every input in KH, but the reverse isn't true. Your double standard couldn't be any more blatant.

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>>381569868
What did Tabata mean by this?

>>381569602
>Ardyn is the most powerful being in a video game
One of XV's kun many boogeymen along with NeithOF and Pesmerga.

>>381569395
1. FF12 was on the PS2 and that shit wasn't dying any time soon. Have we forgotten Shadow of the Colossus, Persona 3 and Persona 4 that came out between 2006-2008?

2. FF7 is their most marketed game yet. It's marketing was 100 million dollars.

>>381569553
Finally, you agree with me. FF13 objectively sold better and profited more than FF12. Glad you agree.

>>381569793
FF8 came close. It sold 6 million copies in one year. FF13 sold 6.2 million copies. Which is FAR more closer than FF12 did with the 5.1 million.

>>381569857
But both FF8 and FF12 did worse than FF13.

FF13 clearly had better performance otherwise we would have seen FF8-2 and FF12-2 INSTEAD of FF13-2.

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post yfw FFIX was the peak of series

>>381569620
>Ardyn is the most powerful being in a video game
Even if that were true, and it absolutely isn't, what the fuck does that have to do with Abrahamic God being able to obliterate him with a raised eyebrow.

>>381569395
>You have to hold square sometimse too.
You know you will lose the fight as soon as you hit 0HP even once at the campfights right? You have no point warps and they have 1hko attacks too.

>>381569557
>SBK91 desperately trying to pretend he's just some boogeyman when he gets exposed
Every time.

>>381569602
He's this retarded KH2/Nomura drone from Gamefaqs who shitposts all over /v/ in FFXV threads with the same bullshit, his posting style is really easy to identify once you've read a couple of his posts, he's always got the same agenda and wording he uses in his shitposts, and it doesn't help that he's not only hated here, but also hated on gamefaqs and on other sites.

>>381570097
SOTC came out in 2005, before 12

>>381570097
>But both FF8 and FF12 did worse than FF13.
Oh, you actually think that's the case? kek, those games had a fraction of the budget and sold almost as much (more in FF8's case) in spite of smaller install bases.
>FF8-2
>sequel to a game about a fucking time loop
Are you a retard? Wait, you like FF13, already answered that.
>FF12-2
No need for that when they can just fix the biggest problem with the game with a slight tweak and re-release it and make profit off an effortless rerelease. 12 (and 8) also didn't have entire games' worth of cut content.

I feel so privileged to be able to buy a game that's 40% complete and to pay for the remaining pieces so I can have the game as it should have been in the first place a few years later down the line.

>>381570215
>and it absolutely isn't
It absolutely is.
>Abrahamic God being able to obliterate him with a raised eyebrow.
How would they deal with his Armiger or immortality?

>>381568723
X was the beginning of the end for the series. Even XV felt more of a Final Fantasy than that one.

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>>381569868
haha

>>381570247
>not liking XV is an agenda

>>381570247
>drone from Gamefaqs who shitposts all over /v/ in FFXV threads with the same bullshit, his posting style is really easy to identify once you've read a couple of his posts, he's always got the same agenda and wording he uses in his shitposts, and it doesn't help that he's not only hated here, but also hated on gamefaqs and on other sites.
Man I keep forgetting how much of a fag xv-kun really is

>>381570282
Actually it came out in the EU in 2006.

DEJA VU

>>381567457
I have more fun playing FFXIV then this game.

Sorry im outa

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>>381570425
This might help jog your memory.

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>>381569995
What did Nomura mean by this?

>>381569679
Believe me, you don't want this shit in your library.

>>381570502
But which one came out first?
You're implying that KH copied Sonic

>>381570502
sonic 06 came out after kh2 so what was the point of this

>>381570563
I don't know man, porn using Aranea's 3D model would be pretty nice.

>>381570328
Yes it did. And no, FF8 and FF12 had quite big budgets.

>time travel shenanigans
>Using the theory of time loop
This is why FF8 people desperately need to understand theories are not facts. Stop trying to use theories to explain FF8's plot.

>No need for Fortress

Except making IZJS is basically admitting the original game wasn't up to par and had to be overhauled.

>>381569669
>Love to break it to you
At this point everyone can disregard anything you say. Only obnoxious fanboy cunts say shit like that.

>>381570754
Except they don't if they are trying to prove you wrong and enjoy doing such.

>>381569968
Because that was all I had to do because you're wrong.


>explain how vulnerable lets you move enemies away from their buddies to get in a safer position
Why would this ever matter? Oh that's right it doesn't, but hey you always have to give this desperate examples of useless things so you can try and win the argument, because you know you're full of shit.

>Explain how it allows you to keep them vulnerable indefinitely
You can't stay in the air indefinitely in KH, you will at some point fall, but I guess you have no fucking clue how aerial combos even work.

Why would it need KH inputs when it has superior inputs with weapon switching, directional inputs, warp strikes, which already outclass anything you do in KH through regular base combat. But hey keep trying to pretend KH somehow has even close to as much depth as XV.

>>381570369
>It absolutely is.
Dr Strange is a character in the Marvel vs games, so no, Ardyn isn't.

>How would they
>they
>Abrahamic God
Seriously, are you fucking retarded?

>deal with his Armiger
Do you not comprehend what Abrahamic God is and can do? Why would you bring this piss weak super state up?

>or immortality
By ignoring it.

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>>381570502
He meant FFXV sucks and KH2 will be the superior game for all eternity.

>>381570698
Except the International versions of every game that's gotten ones were made to capitalize on the original game by making a low-effort rerelease with just enough new content for people to justify buying it again, just like FFX International. Or are you going to argue that FFX "wasn't up to par" even though FFXIII is just FFX with shit combat instead of good combat, shit world building instead of good world building, even more linear, with an even worse story and characters, and with (for its time) worse graphics?

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>>381570080
>boogeyman
lol he's still going

I picked it up for the first time since about Xmas the other day and fucked up my way across the landscape because I'd forgotten how to play it. I think I played for about 4 hours or so, never did a single story quest and had more fun than I would in a Ubisoft game.

Hunt or Be Hunted pretty much validates the game as a whole for me though. Easily one of my favourite battle themes of any game.

>>381570820
>Acting like a passive aggressive baby while informing someone that a sequel isn't canon THEREFORE IT TOTALLY DOESN'T COUNT YOU GUUUUUUYS.
>Not obnoxious.

>>381570950
>people copy paste neithof's post to trigger you
>it works

:)

>>381570950
why did you screencap copypasta

>>381567457
It felt kinda incomplete, but what it had was very good most of the time.

>>381570402
Going out of your way to shitpost in every fucking FFXV thread you find while defending Nomura and shilling KH2FM is literally an agenda you dense fuck.

>>381570425
Everyone knows how much of a fag you are.

>>381570942
>Or are you going to argue that FFX "wasn't up to par" even though FFXIII is just FFX with shit combat instead of good combat, shit world building instead of good world building, even more linear, with an even worse story and characters, and with (for its time) worse graphics?

1. Did FF10 get overhauled? No? Then your argument is invalid.

2. FF12 had major parts overhauled

3. Where are you even getting it to have less combat, graphics or characters? FF13 beats out Ff10 in a number of areas.

>>381571004
The people who worked on revenant wings stated that the game is not an FF12 game and should be treated like a single experience.

>>381570601
>>381570627
>>381570932
The fact that it's the same tier of shit is bad enough, also KH2FM then came out after sonic 06 which was more than enough time for them to change it, yet they didn't.

>>381570921
They can't ignore his immortality unless they had the Ring of Lucii which only Noctis has which in turn would make Noctis the most powerful protagonist of any video game ever.
Noctis would destroy any god.

>>381571101
>Everyone knows how much of a fag you are.
Am I sbk91 now
Or am I matt now
Maybe neithof?
I know, I'm kagari

>>381568521
> it didn't have to make a second version of the original game
It really should have, some things could have been improved fairly easily.

>>381571175
>change a boss battle because an Australian 10 years later is assmad that someone compared xv to sonic 06
huh

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>>381571061
I screencaped NeithOF posting his bullshit from gamefaqs in /v/ threads

>>381571168
>1. Did FF10 get overhauled?
Yes? It got the exact same treatment FFXII did, just with less rebalancing, and it kept the original system intact instead of replacing it.
>2. FF12 had major parts overhauled
Just like FF10
>3. Where are you even getting it to have less combat, graphics or characters? FF13 beats out Ff10 in a number of areas.
Probably from the combat system being the worst form of ATB ever to exist (when ATB is already the worst form of turn-based combat to ever exist). Or the graphics being barely on-par with games of that time instead of being far better in spite of being a launch title. Or maybe the characters being memorable for reasons other than "oh yeah, I didn't like any of those cunts besides the black guy".

>>381571175
>change it
They just added things not changed things. Or are you implying XV's leviathan "fight" will be amazing in the future because they change it?

>>381570840
>Because that was all I had to do because you're wrong.
Argument from assertion isn't an argument XV kun. Explain how Vulnerable mimics those examples.

>Why would this ever matter
>why would being in a position where you can pound on something away from its friends, who could interrupt and hurt you, ever matter
For the love of Christ, think man.

>You can't stay in the air indefinitely in KH
You can keep the enemy in the air and helpless indefinitely, which is the point.

>I guess you have no fucking clue how aerial combos even work.
Like in DMC, where you can keep the enemy and yourself in the air forever until it dies?

>Why would it need KH inputs when it has superior inputs
*double standards intensify*

>weapon switching
Which you'll never do, as most of your slots are for stat boosts.

>which already outclass anything you do in KH through regular base combat
>what is KH1 Zantetsuken
>what is Berserk
>what is the Fenrir stunlock/finisher spam
>has to purposefully exclude magic and Limits
Sad (feel free to parrot that expression too).

>>381570942
It's pretty disgusting how cheap Square gets. They refuse to give 5 and 6 even cheap but decent quality remakes despite their arguably being the two of the top five most popular FF games. They barely give the XIV staff the funds they need to accomplish the bare minimum. Marketing doesn't exist outside of the first F2F of a generation.

It's bonkers.

>>381571350
You just screencapped more copypasta, what are you doing

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>>381570921
>SBK91 got so BTFO when it was pointed out that no one but Noctis can kill Ardyn, that he had to literlaly bring up the IRL version of god that people worship.

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>>381571206
Well i know you're not NeithOF, buddy.

i am

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>>381571460
>V
>Popular

>>381571487
Why does japan love black goo so much

>>381570382
That's not quite the same, the XV comparison is one more of tone and setting.

>>381571460
But anon they gave Stormblood a massive budget (even though that was actually just cooking the books to cover the massive failure that was FFXV)!

>>381571168
>The people who worked on revenant wings stated that the game is not an FF12 game and should be treated like a single experience.
As in "it doesn't play like 12 and you don't need to play 12 to understand this," not, "this is not an FF12 sequel," you petulant boob.

>>381571523
Fuck you, I decided I'm NeithOf today

>>381567457
The open world stuff was great, the linear wasn't, especially Chapter 13, that can go fuck right off.

>>381571470
You must be blind if you can't see who the original poster was

>>381571523
I still don't know why they changed Clarus. His face model is actually still quite close, the hair just makes him resemble Gladio more here.

>>381571323
Except the game was decent as it was. A second version is just admitting the product was underwhelming. Why do that if the game is good as it stands.

This is like writing a paper, getting a B- on it and saying "I should overhaul this because I didn't get an A".

No! No need to overhaul that.

>>381571402
No it didn't because otherwise the combat and gameplay would have been night and day in FF10 International compared to the original. It's clearly not though.

Also, how is FF13's combat a "worst form of ATB that ever existed"? you clearly haven't played too many Turn based combat systems.

Okay, now you are trolling with the graphics. Come on now, just stop being a troll and step away from the computer.

>Or maybe the characters being memorable for reasons other than "oh yeah, I didn't like any of those cunts besides the black guy".

AGAIN, that's not how the Mr. Plinkett Personality test works dumb dumb.

>>381571638
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Final_Fantasy_XII:_Revenant_Wings

Although inheriting the Final Fantasy XII title, Yokoyama downplayed its link to its PlayStation 2 predecessor, saying—"It is not accurate to call this a sequel. We want people to view it as the latest FF game. This is not FFXII-2".

Explain to me this then.

>>381571653
Nice try buddy, I'm NeithOF. You didn't even capitalize the F.

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>>381571653
k.

I am Kagari then.

STELLA > LUNA

>>381571524
In Japan it's #4, behind 4, 7 and 10. They aren't as fond of 6 as we are.
Arguably #5 in the US, as there are quite a few 9 fans.

Would you like to suggest the numbered games that outrank it in popularity beyond those four?

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>>381571749
Chapter 13 is one of the best parts of the game.

>>381571198
>They
Why do you keep saying they. Abrahamic God is a single entity, even the Trinity version.

>can't ignore his immortality
You stupid fuck, Abrahamic God is omnipotent, he can literally do anything, including killing Ardyn while he's still immortal.

>which in turn would make Noctis the most powerful protagonist of any video game ever
>having kryptonite makes Batman stronger than Superman and therefore stronger than everyone weaker than Superman
No.

>Noctis would destroy any god.
>Noctis
>doing shit against mythic Zeus
>let alone Abrahamic God or Brahman
Are. You. Fucking. Retarded.

>>381571753
You screencapped copypasta that an anon took from the guy you love to bitch about so much
Looks like it's effort to piss you off worked

>>381567457
Have they dropped the fucking off-road regalia update yet? They've been talking about how great it is for 3 fucking months and it's the last update I'm waiting for before I actually play the game.

>>381571867
Okay, where are you getting this, because I can see FF7, FF10 and FF4, But FF5? I think Ff13 takes that place of FF5 given how it's the 4th best PS3 game as voted by Japanese readers in Famitsu.

>>381571498
>when it was pointed out that no one but Noctis can kill Ardyn
Tons of fictional characters can kill Ardyn. Like Strange, for instance.

>>381571808
FFX international was literally the same shit as FFXII you fucking nigger. Balance tweaks, some bonus content, and small changes to the combat, and a progression overhaul. The only difference was that the expert sphere grid was optional.

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>>381571878
Chapter 13 is the single worst experience I've ever had in a video game.

>All story events happen off screen
>Level design makes X and XIII seem like Breath of the Wild
>Garbage stealth survival horror mash up
>Given an insta kill ring with an animation that takes ten years to cast
>Second worse boss in the game
>Contrived Prompto plot point

Chapter 13 alone makes me mad that this game has even a modicum of success.

>>381572071
>IZJS was the same as XII
>except for where it was different
Really activates the almonds.

>>381571808
Literally what I just said?
It does not require playing 12 or play like 12. It is a sequel that functions as a standalone, unlike 10-2 and 13-2.

You can play with words if you like, but it's still a sequel. Canon and interdependence don't change that.

>>381572171
>FFX International was the same as FFX in every way
>the parts where it's different don't count because i said so

>>381572071
No, because FF12 added a crap ton of features like a much faster combat system button, controllable summons, controllable guests, a bar for the Quickening, another Job system.

FF10's combat barely changed in the rerelease.

>>381572214
But the people working on it greatly downplayed Revanent wing's connection with FF12. It's like SMT title on Persona 3 and Persona 4.

>>381571429
>They just added things not changed things.
So they were fine with it being Sonic 06 tier?

And No I have stated multiple times that the Leviathan segment implemented well, and that it felt more like an interactive cutscene than a fight.

>>381571457
>Argument from assertion isn't an argument XV kun
Yes it is SBK91.

>xplain how Vulnerable mimics those examples.
Launches make the enemy vulnerable where you can dish out attacks without the enemy fighting back, same thing with making an enemy vulnerable in XV, you can reposition yourself all you want in XV.

>For the love of Christ, think man.
So because you're fucking shit at video games you can't understand how launches even work in KH, let alone how vulnerable state works in XV.

>You can keep the enemy in the air and helpless indefinitely, which is the point.
No you cannot, you will eventually fall in KH.

>Like in DMC
So DMC is now every game with aerial combos? Do you really not know the difference between an ARPG and a straight up hacknslash?

What double standards?

XV objectively has better inputs and more control as well as more variety in combat than KH does.

>Which you'll never do
You mean which you'll constantly do because it's a main part of the combat system, as the weapon switch slots are for weapon switching, not for stat boosts.

So all of things pail in comparison to XV and it's various weapons with directional inputs, weapon switching and warpstrike, what's sad is that you still fucking think those basic shits in KH is even remotely as much depth to it as XV has. What's even sadder is you still deny you are SBK91 despite it being 100% obvious.

>>381572010
Please fuck off with the endless 13 apologetics and actually answer the question.

>>381572304
>a fast forward button
>controlling AI (fucking nothing)
>slight combat tweaks
Wow
just
like
FFX

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>>381571175
What kind of arguement is this? You're such a delusional dipshit.

>>381571487
cool

>>381572304
>No, because FF12 added a crap ton of features like a much faster combat system button, controllable summons, controllable guests, a bar for the Quickening, another Job system.
Just removing the damage cap dramatically changed the meta.

>>381571524
>V
>NOT popular with Nips.

Nigga are you stupid? They like 4 more, but 5 is very much their jam.

>>381572374
But I'm not even that guy. FF13 clearly has much more popularity over in Japan than FF5.

>>381572417
No it's not. It's not tweaks, It's overhauls

>>381572460
That's even more ridiculous about how much damage the player could do in the IZJS compared to the original.

Makes that one secret boss fight much easier by comparison.

>>381572214
>sequel functioning as a standalone
>unlike 10-2
What?

What? Nigga, what?

>>381572304
>It's like SMT title on Persona 3 and Persona 4.
That's only in America. Revenant Wings was XII worldwide.

I'd compare it to the 7 Compilation, but it's closer to a follow up than any if that was. It's a middle ground between Dirge of Cerberus and X-2.

>>381572417
why are you removing added features like the job system or the trial mode jst to fit your poor ass argumentation, lying is bad man

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>>381572134
>All story events happen off screen
They do not, and the ones that do are done so intentionally to keep the mystery.

>Level design makes X and XIII seem like Breath of the Wild
lol just no, Ch13 is like a fucking maze compared to your average FF13 map.

>Garbage stealth survival horror mash up
You don't have to stealth your way through it at all

>Given an insta kill ring with an animation that takes ten years to cast
Not since the update

>Second worse boss in the game
Ravus is one of the best bosses in the game with god tier boss track.

>Contrived Prompto plot point
It wasn't contrived, and it makes perfect sense all things considered.

>>381572649
10-2 really wants you to have played X. Like, Yuna's entire quest is nonsense without X's context and characters like Bart seem like weird inclusions unless you played the first game. RW is more divorced than that, but still follows up on 12.

>>381572420
>it's ok for KH2 to have sonic 06 tier shit

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Games 11/10. Can't wait for that Mobile MMORPG to be officially released everywhere am I right guys & gals? You gonna play A New Empire, XV-kun? That VR fishing game also looks great. Thanks Tabata.

>>381572967
>falseflagging this desperately because people like XV and defend it

>>381572879
Dude, XV-kun. Just stop. FF13 and FF10 had better design than chapter 13 of FF15.

Not only was Chapter 13 extremely linear, but it took away your weapons, your allies, your speed, gave you a shitty ring and it went on for WAY too long.

I was overleveled for that part and I was STILL annoyed with all of it.

>>381572956
You're the only one comparing sonic 06 to kh2
No one else cares

>>381572879
>Ravus is one of the best bosses in the game
No he's one of the worst, because you're retarded AI teammates never dodge any of his attacks and since death is an impossibility it just makes the fight a tedious mess of holding O, Square and Triangle while reviving your teammates with potions from a menu.
Tabata needs to analyze some good ARPGs because the Ravus fight is a pretty good example of why XV remains the worst ARPG ever made.

>>381572528
>But I'm not even that guy.
Don't lie, you piece of shit.

V got its own damn anime. People are still crying about Blue Mage not being in 14, especially in no plans. They made Bartz the Stormblood Collector's Edition bonus because it would cut deep and make people wanna buy it. Gilgamesh is the biggest recurring character in the franchise. To even imply 13 has more popularity is a fucking joke.

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>>381572081
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>>381572956
Like everyone told you, you psychomaniac, KH2, that includes the 'GET ON THE HYDRAS BACK!' meme, came out WAY before 06.

>>381572360
>Yes it is
>XV kun thinks repeating the same thing over and over, whether its right or not, is a logical argument
JUST

>Launches make the enemy vulnerable where you can dish out attacks without the enemy fighting back
And does so in a completely different manner than vulnerable.

>same thing with making an enemy vulnerable in XV
You cannot extend vulnerable time in XV, you can with launches, and indeed the amount of time an enemy is vulnerable while aerial is dependent on what the player does next, unlike Vulnerable.

>you can reposition yourself all you want
Which doesn't move the enemy. Which means if you don't want to get hit you have to dodge instead of pounding on them nonstop and can't ring them out.

>So because
No, there was no because there. You insult and claiming I don't understand launches does not in any way logically follow from my statement, which was to point out how stupid you were for not being able to see how being able to attack an enemy safely away from other mobs would be important in an Action game.

>No you cannot
Beat the fuck out of the enemy, use Magnet before the end of the combo, fall to the ground, enemy's still trapped, start comboing again before Magnet expires, you can do the same shit with Duckflare with items. You are entirely wrong.

>So DMC is now every game with aerial combos
No, it is an example of a game with aerial combos that let you extend vulnerable periods of enemies in the air, like KH, the difference being you don't have to touch the ground in DMC.

>ARPG and a straight up hacknslash
More numbers. What does that have to do with XV not letting you launch.

>What double standards?
KH is bad because it doesn't have XV's inputs, but XV isn't bad despite lacking KH's inputs.

>as well as more variety in combat
>four Summons in XV, which are all functionally identical
>six Summons in KH1
Explain.

>not for stat boosts
Most of your slots go to weapons that boost stats and are otherwise shit.

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WHAT DID TABATA MEAN BY THIS

>>381573453
Ignis ep
More product placements

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>>381573050
Whoa, XV-kun. Calm down. Other people can like XV. Nothing wrong with that. Can't we all have a little fun?

>>381573265
No, I was saying I'm not that guy you were talking to dip shit.

FF13 is more popular because it's gotten more out of it (13-2 and LR) along with Lightning being so huge she got the lead dude from Louis Vittoun to want her on his stuff.

>>381567457
I'll replay it (and possibly find some multiplayer bros to play it with) once all of the main DLC is out.

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>>381571487
I actually didn't realize they kept this much, shit.

So pretty much all of the Versus background lore that's not FNC is still intact? Neat.

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>>381573674
Absolutely based, I don't see Noctis getting features from any luxury designers.

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>>381574005
I do see Noctis doing cup noodle though

Just finished FFXV. I gotta say, after having played VII, X and XIII, this is the one game where I felt that there was a huge and interesting story all unfolding behind my back, I basically ended the game with question marks all over my face. I felt so unsatisfied with the story, not because it was bad, but because so many things have not been explained to the player at all imo.

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>>381574005
The entire main crew's outfits and then some were designed by Roen.
The feature is the game.

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Why are all of the bosses so shit in FFXV?

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>>381574145
What did Tabata mean by this?

>>381567970
XII-2 was killed off because the devs pissed off Square by making Ashe cuck Basch by the end of the script.

>>381571845
Kagari doesn't care about stella now tho. Her new bitch is the blonde chick from XIV.

I was interested on the game but I only own a regular PS4 and watching youtube videos I see the framerate is really bad. I need a pro or upgrade my pc.

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>>381574352
We want the Sonic 06 audience

>>381574418
I seem to recall that the lead dev on that project actually agreed with what Square Enix did and pointed out they are not evil for pulling the plug. If he was in the same situation, he would have done the same thing.

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>release a game
>release a deluxe version of the game that includes a season pass for all future dlc
>let half a year go by with no dlc installments
>during this time slash the price of the game and the deluxe version by 50%
>jew the fuck out of the fans that purchased the deluxe version early on
What did they mean by this?

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>>381574352
>>381574476
https://track5.mixtape.moe/mvkiwn.mp4

>>381574609
Season Pass only came with the Digitl Deluxe version. Physical Deluxe didn't come with it which doesn't matter because the steelbook alone is worth it.

>>381573053
>FF13 and FF10 had better design than chapter 13 of FF15.
No they did not and I just posted direct map comparisons.

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>>381574626
That is...surprisingly fitting.
>Sonic Generations came out in 2011
>The E3 trailer that introduced Levaithan and the shooty water beams was in 2013
Oh Tabata what is you doin'

How anyone can defend the shitty chapters where you walk around mazes for hours with all of the combat removed is beyond me.

>>381573224
>No he's one of the worst
No he's one of the best, he hits hard and your AI teammates do dodge and do stuff properly when you unlock their ascension grid abilities that let them do more stuff, it's your own fault if you didn't unlock their stuff. You never have to hold O or hold square even once in the entire game.

>>381575150
Yes they did, at no point in those games was I forced to play with shoddy stealth mechanics and my only means of offense/defense are an instakill ring.

Based Kotaku absolutely ripped chapter 13 a new one because of how fucking garbage it was.
https://kotaku.com/the-ten-stages-of-coping-with-final-fantasy-xv-s-chapte-1791387263

>>381573301
And like I just said that doesn't mean shit when KH2 is doing the same exact tier of shit as sonic 06, and KH2FM came out in 2007 which gave them more than enough time to change it, yet they didn't.

>>381571984
June 26 senpai

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>>381569868
>>381574626
HAHAHA

HAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs0yQKI7Yw4
Man i wish V13/XV would get a documentary like this.

>>381575934
I think it will get it in a few years

>>381574626

>I'm such a fucking nerd that I was actually impressed he beat Perfect Chaos without using his Super Form

To put it in perspective, he just beat a mythical god of destruction without the aid of magical mcguffins.

What is Sonic's power level?

>>381573332
>JUST
Hey that describes you in every single post you have ever made.

That's like saying because you shoot a gun to deal damage and swing a sword to deal damage even if you do both by pressing the same attack button that they are "different manner" just because the animation is different. No.

You can make enemies vulnerable repeatedly, so yes you can.

>Which doesn't move the enemy
Literally doesn't do shit in KH when launcing especially when you have aerial enemies around anyway who shoot projectiles at you.

You don't understand launches SBK91, you don't understand anything at all and it's hilarious how hard you are still trying.

>he thinks magnet is staying airborne the entire time
You will fall down, you can't stay airborne indefinitely in KH.

>like KH
KH is nothing like DMC.

Ignoring the fact that XV lets you put enemies in vulnerable state on the ground anyway there is no real need for enemy launchers, the only reason KH even has it is because it's so shit it thinks it needs it because it doesn't have normal ground vulnerable states like an ARPG should have.

>KH is bad because it doesn't have XV's inputs
Yeah.

When XV has more inputs and better inputs, not having shit that KH has isn't a negative, meanwhile KH not having stuff that XV does have is a strike against KH.

Notice how you always single on a single thing when a collective example is brought up, because you desperately try to cherry pick one thing out of the whole as if that somehow makes your argument, when all it shows is you moving the goalposts?
XV has over 15 different weapons types, many of the weapons have directional inputs, every weapon has their own warpstrike.

Also Titan and Ramuh have two different summon animations which are counted as different animations, XV summons are better than KH

Your weapon slots go to weapons you want to use, the only one that even keeps going on about them somehow only being stat boosts is literally you.

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>>381574145
Why are the bosses so shit in KH?

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>>381574352
>>381574476
>>381574626

What did Nomura mean by this?

>>381575368
No they did not, you never have to stealth in ch13 and you insta kill shit with death now, plus the update makes going through it way more quicker, like 30 minutes, and again I posted direct comparison of ch13s map to an average FF13 map here >>381572879


>kotaku
>being this desperate

>>381576335
>Hey that describes you in every single post you have ever made.
>can't even be bothered to copypaste other's responses anymore

>That's like saying because you shoot a gun to deal damage and swing a sword to deal damage even if you do both by pressing the same attack button that they are "different manner"
Is this in an Action game or turn based? Because if it's the former, that's very fucking different.

>You can make enemies vulnerable repeatedly
You can't drag out a vulnerable state indefinitely, unlike a launch. Making one enemy vulnerable a couple times in the same combat isn't the same and virtually never happens as it'll die long beforehand.

>Literally doesn't do shit in KH
KH isn't the only game with launches retard and it moves enemies away from others who can interrupt you.

>You don't understand launches
Another insult that has absolutely nothing to do with any specific point, what a shock.

>You will fall down, you can't stay airborne indefinitely
That wasn't the argument. You can extend the time enemies are vulnerable based on your choices once launched, that is not the same as vulnerable.

>KH is nothing like DMC.
I frames.

>Ignoring the fact that XV lets you put enemies in vulnerable state on the ground anyway there is no real need for enemy launchers
We've already been over this, not needing things is not the same as it being an intelligent choice not to incorporate them.

>it doesn't have normal ground vulnerable states like an ARPG should have.
What the fuck are you talking about, barely any Action RPGs have universal 'vulnerable' states and KH has some for specific enemies. You are literally critisizing KH for letting you launch shit.

>hold button to dodge
>better input
No.

>not having shit that KH has isn't a negative, meanwhile KH not having stuff that XV does have is a strike against KH.
The definition of a double standard.

>>381576528
>>381576682
looks fun :^)

>>381574564
It was a complicated situation. Basically, devs wanted to do something new with Ivalice, the whole story was Basch spending three or four years in a keep on a secluded shore, fucking up everyone who dares to try and invade, starting with giant sea malboros and ending with the sea god (ala sky god from Revenant Wings). The gameplay was supposed to be keep-management/action-RPG/RTS a-la Brutal Legend. The deal supposedly fell through because Square was dissatisfied with the script (love story between Basch and Ashe front, sides and center, ends with them basically breaking up due to differences, everything else based on setpieces). They've checked up on the studio and, as it turns out, beyond admittedly cool art there was virtually nothing done. The rest is completely obscured by corporate secrets, but this game had little chance of actually being decent.

>>381576335
>Notice how you always single on a single thing when a collective example is brought up
Because it only takes one example to prove an absolute statement wrong.

>XV has over 15 different weapons types
It has 8.

>Also Titan and Ramuh have two different summon animations
That are functionally identical, AoE damage to everything onscreen.

>XV summons are better than KH
Show Lv 1 Ramuh wiping out Lv 99 enemies in XV.

>Your weapon slots go to weapons you want to use
Which are best devoted to stat boosts so your best damage weapon will be at peak performance.

>>381575382
Like people said, they only added to the game. That's all they do with Final Mixes! Either way, the boss is notorious anyway so how is comparing an older game to a newer game make it the KH2 devs fault? Wouldn't that mean the 06 devs are at fault for being that lazy. Like the previous comparison to tabata, 06 is old, so what's his excuse, as with the 06 comparison should be, KH2 is old, what's Sega's excuse?

>>381568640
It has great setting, great ending, some good scenes in the middle... but it's damn rushed mess with badly placed priorities.

It would never sell if Final Fantasy name and Square making sure audience would like characters even before the game launched.

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it was my top 3 for last year, there were literally no other games even though ffxv fucked up story, chapter 13, combat

I still had fun and enjoyed what was in it

>>381568612
I think I went the whole game without fighting one of those

FFXV as compared to Persona 5 and Tekken 7 as compared to SFV is why I will never complain about delays ever again. I can't wait to play it on ultra settings with all the eventual DLC and updates in a few years. Might be more of a complete experience. Ultimately though I did enjoy it. Just couldn't get away from that sad feeling of what could have been.

>>381577643
T7 is the only good game of those you listed.

>>381577643
>>381577726
Literally just about to say that. Persona 5 was a massive disappointment bundled up in beautiful giftwrap.

>>381577726
Persona 5 is objectively a complete and well-rounded experience is my point. Whether you personally enjoyed it or not isn't really relevant.

>>381570502
That mechanic's been in so many games it's useless to say one ripped off another.

>>381577854
True, the part where I dated the teacher and she confessed her love to me was an awesomely complete experience.

Was Chapter 13 the longest chapter? I felt like all the other chapters flew by except for chapter 13

>>381578337
Do you have autism?

>>381577854
Yeah, it's complete.
It's also mostly recycled from 4 with a new skin.

I prefer 15's imperfect and jank but original adventure to P5's feature complete and beautifully presented reruns.

>>381576528
Is the Ursala fight the worst boss in Kingdom Hearts?

>>381578893
Yes. Yes. God yes.

I like 1 more than 2, but fuck Ursula.

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>>381578893
It's mostly inoffensive when you learn how to use Stop.