Why is it okay for monsters to say hello by shooting my soul

>>381554558
because undertale's a shit game with a shit story

>>381554558

it's almost like the creators didn't properly think things through. like the moral relativism was tacked on in the end.

because if you kill your enemies, they win. that game was made by a fatherless teenager btw

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>>381554558
Monster fear human. they escape to underground because of that. more over their prince was killed because he was gay for human boy

>>381554898
I think Chara is a girl and Frisk is a weird Tumblr gender neutral thing
Because murderous girls are hot

because its up to you to be a good person even if no one else will be.
its sort a running idea in human morality.

>>381554558
Because the monsters communicate in magic lasers but you don't communicate in knife crime

>>381554558
The whole point is that the game didn't punish you for defending yourself, unless you wanted to be seen as some sort of saint and get the true pacifist ending. The game treats you like a monster when you try to eradicate all life from the underground.

Stabbing that one monster who keeps trying to shove a spear up your asshole isn't a problem.

>>381555071
>because its up to you to be a good person
Nah

>>381555224
Or don't. That's kind of the point of the game, which is probably why so many people love it.

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>tfw you murder a shitload of children and get away with it completely
Bravo Toby

>>381555247
If that's the point of the game how come I can't kill Asriel in the True Pacifist route?

>>381555275
In a sense our justice system, and western morality in general is like this

Thats why the term prison is going away and being replaced with "corrections." Honestly if we could read some ones mind and find out if they were truly remorseful for a murder, and they would never do it again they would likely serve no prison time.

>>381555468
>if they truly felt remorseful they wouldn't have to have jailtime
This is the most stupid and autistic thing I have ever fucking read. You do shit, you get punished for it, no matter if you felt remorse or not. We should go back to the olden days and equate murder with the death penalty

>>381554668
I feel like any man who publishes albums like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOJwB80oCWk

With his real name on it and everything, is not someone who is generally very thorough in his planning

>>381555664
jesus christ how fucking stupid

>>381555639
So later we discover "oops he wasn't guilty after all, so... Who cares"

Why did the game reward me with two of the best bosses in the game when I slaughtered the entire underground

did the literal bastard that made this game think hard bosses are punishment

>>381556008
Genocide needed something cool to do or it'd be pointless edgy bullshit

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>>381555107
thats bullshit and you know it

>>381556075
The game shits on you when you take genocide, even if you just want to fight against those bosses

If he left it featureless the game's shit would make much more sense since only people who burned ants with a magnifying glass as a kid would take genocide route if the only entertainment from genocide was killing everything

>>381556075
It really should have been pointless edgy bullshit though, I thought that that was the point; you've made Chara as strong as the game will mechanically allow, but there's really no point to it and the tedious way you've played the game has sucked all the fun out of the journey. Having cool superbosses on that route takes away from that theme since everyone just does the routes for the bosses.

>>381556189
I'm not black so I've never said hello by stabbing someone

>>381555468
punishing someone is not for the sake for that person,
but for the sake of the victims,
you retard

there's no reason to take care of the criminal while you won't even compensate the victim at all
this world is so wrong because of retards like you
evil doers go unpunished and good doers get punished for nothing

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>Most of the monsters clearly don't mean you harm or don't realize they're hurting you
>Better kill them all

You know better, they don't.

>>381554558
You, the player, are acknowledged as a being that exists as a sort of god. Sans literally judges you, the player, not Frisk. As the omnipotent being you are, he berates you for taking the easy way out of conflict (through self defense) when you are more than capable of taking an alternative route through your godly powers.
Can it really be self defense when there is no danger to you, the player?
You are berated for fighting back because there is no consequence or danger from the monsters attacking you. The game is not really against self defense, it is raising the question of what you would do with the powers of a god.

>>381554558
>Why is it okay for monsters to say hello by shooting my soul with magic lasers but I'm not allowed to say hello by stabbing?

This is something Sans brings up during his judgement.

To put it simply, self-defense is understandable, but at the same time it's also clear that you were never in any real danger because Sans knows that you're an omnipotent being who can reset at its leisure. And thus, he insists that being such as yourself, who very clearly has the power to do so, use your powers for good instead of killing monsters who can't truly harm you.

>>381554558
Because you're lying through your teeth that you think stabbing someone is a hello

>>381554558
>why is it okay for a dog to play bite me without piercing the skin when I can't throw it a fuckin' haymaker to show that I'm being playful?
Humans are way stronger than monsters you dumb fuck.

>>381557017
>monsters can be wiped out by a single 8 yr old girl
>a non-murderous kid can facetank lasers and bombs all day and heal back to full with burgers and shit
Maybe that's a sign that monsters have to die? It's called natural selection.

>>381556584
>>but for the sake of the victims,
it shouldn't be.
>punishing someone is not for the sake for that person,
idiot, it's for the sake of society. it's about making the person regret their wrong doing so that they then can be a useful and productive member of society again instead of rotting away in a cell and costing money. punishing because you're a spiteful little child will change nothing because as soon as the criminal gets out of prison they still haven't learned anything else and will just make more victims.

>>381556959
>who can't truly harm you
yeah
cause it's a videogame
it's not 'truly' killing

>>381556959
At the same time, dying would still be an extremely traumatic experience for a child, let alone dying multiple times.

>>381557264
>It's called natural selection.
no, it's not.

I can't masturbate to CHARA because that'd be like masturbating to myself. Though at one point I used to masturbate in front of a mirror, those days are long over.

>>381554637
>>381554668
>>381555664
This.
Shit story.
Shit morality.

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>>381555664
Holy fucking shit.

>>381555468
Holy fucking shit, neck yourself and go back to high school you underage fucking fsggot

>>381557298
Well see, that's the idea. It's not real killing to you, the player. But as far as the characters in the game know, those are actual people actually dying in their world.

>>381558035
>But as far as the characters in the game know, those are actual people actually dying in their world.
>game acknowledges it's a game and breaks 4th wall
>OH BUT YOUR ACTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES THOUGH AND SHAME ON YOU FOR PLAYING IT
I can't really get behind this kinda exectuion

these monsters can barely kill a kid and can be killed by being hit by a toddler with a stick

you really think they are dangerous?

>>381558206

Actually, none of the characters in Undertale acknowledge that they're in a video game, although they do lean on the fourth wall at times by talking about the UI. As far as they're concerned, the world they live in is real. Sans is the only one that notices that you're an otherworldly being, but even he never gets as far as to realize he's a virtual character.

>>381555664
>>381555719
>>381557703
>>381557721
>/v/ literally doesn't know what fun is
mspa official forums were once fun. this album was a bunch of Homestuck music contributors (people who HELPED MAKE THE COMIC) trolling the official forums awful volunteer fan mods. they successfully managed to get banned for it.

>>381558717
I'm saying the game acknowledges it
I can't feel bad about this shit
>dude you are hurting us even though we can't hurt you
>yeah welcome to videogames champ
it reads like one of those really deep makes you think copypastas from reddit where some high IQ individual blows everyones minds by saying that one generic stormtrooper had a family and that the rebels were the bad guys

Why does sans care more about a promise to a stranger than his brother being killed?

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>>381559115
>N-no, it was intended!
Every time.

>>381559115
>browsing the homestuck forums directly, in first person

Now, see, this is the opposite of fun.

>>381559451
dude apathy lmao the world will just be Reset so why bother?

>>381554558
The game doesn't say it's okay and fully endorses you defending yourself.

And even then, the monsters don't know that they're hurting you as they're magic creatures and assume that you're magic as well. Stabbing with them with a knife on the other hand is clearly a hostile act.

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>>381554558
I think you might find you have something in common with a certain character from another series this guy worked on

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How can something this cute be considered evil?

>>381560396
Spoonfeed me. I never got past the prologue because it was so boring.

>>381555275
>Wife hates you forever now
I wouldn't quite say that

>>381560480
>tumblr
stop the suffering please
Undertale just reads like a really bad tumblr game that tries to be deep to 13 year olds and rips off Yume Nikki (and related fangames) like it's its only inspiration

>>381560527
He's the best.
Good leadership skills.

>>381560595
Only because she refuses to accept her part in those murders and also gets away scot free

Pretty much everyone is a shitstain and they all get away with it in True Pacifist

>>381559184
>yeah welcome to videogames champ

If that's really the attitude you took throughout Undertale, then the game itself never actually stops you from doing so. You're always given the choice to kill unless you deliberate go full pacifist. If Sans says that you have a responsibility to do the right thing, you have the choice to tell him no. He'll get mad, sure, but ultimately he can do nothing to stop you.

That's really Undertale's morality in a nutshell. It can feebly try to convince you to do good since in the monsters' eyes you're a murderer who goes around killing people, but feeble begging is all it can do. You can always just kill the monsters, fight the bosses, leave, and be done with it.

You can kill monsters and get a good ending, just not if you sit there and autistically walk back and forth to kill every monster in existence.

Because the meta narrative of the game tells you it's a misunderstanding. You, the player, has information the character doesn't, despite being in control. So if you choose to make PC react to a misunderstanding with more violence, it's on you.

The game is just too deep for an American audience, you know, people who have no idea about morality.

>>381560527
Straight from the comic

CG: BUT IT'S OK, I THINK HE'S PRETTY MUCH SETTLED DOWN.
AG: Settled down?
CG: WELL, HE STABBED ME ONCE.
AG: Oh, only once!
AG: Are you sure you should trust him? I don't know if I would, 8ut hey I'm not the leader.
CG: NO, NO, IT'S COOL.
CG: HE'S COOL, IT'S FINE I DON'T REALLY MIND THE STABBING, IT WAS ALL A MISUNDERSTANDING.
CG: WELL OK I'M PRETTY SURE HE MEANT TO STAB ME.
CG: BUT I KIND OF THINK THAT'S LIKE
CG: THE WAY HE GREETS PEOPLE?

>>381560652
I meant the one with the knife

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>being a retart
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_XR4n5PEgo

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>>381560907
>implying the creator isn't American

>>381560929
He's the best.
Good leadership skills.

>>381555037
>Child character
>Hot
Wew lad

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>Literally 1 (one) game makes a narrative about not killing the monsters for rewards
>/v/ never stops shitting their pants about how it's not fair

>>381561012
>Autistically shilling your shitty content 24/7 on 4chan
Fuck off EmptyHero you're literally Manly Tears level of obnoxious faggotry.

>>381554558
why are some games allowed to have bad graphics and get away with it despite being repetitive?

>>381561249
>Manly Tears

who?

>>381554558
I literally cannot believe so many people have overlooked this. It was literally my first thought when I learned of how the endings worked which was a month after I quit the game 2 hours in.

>>381559115
what did you expect from a board that became reddit's literal litterbox

>>381556584
>but for the sake of the victims,
No it's not, you fucking retard. It's for society. Break the social contract, get removed from society. You're allowed back after a while of letting you think about your transgression. Break it again, you're out again.

>>381555328
>True Pacifist
>Why can't I kill this character
>Pacifist

Nigga.

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People who say it's okay for Monsters to attack people because they can't help it are the same kind of people who say it's okay for Monsters to want to eat people

>>381560754
>you have a responsibility
it's a videogame
responsibility = consequences
videogame = virtual environment with no consequences
the meta element was horseshit and the game would have actually worked as some sorta moral shaming if it just addressed the character instead and get you invested enough
with the meta element it throws it away at the last minute
>gee I do feel kinda bad about killing all those monsters now that I realize I could have been peaceful...
>dude please stop, the character you and the real you, this is a videogame and it killing us is not okay
>oh shit yeah, can't wait to finish the game and go play some CSGO

>>381561769
>that picture

he had a hard life...

>>381561769
It's okay to want to eat people, just as long as you don't

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If the monsters were really trying to kill you they'd do that circle of pellets thing flowey tries on you.

>>381554558
The argument that they were doing it subconsciously and that killing them for doing it is like killing a mentally retarded man swinging around a knife doesn't work you remember that almost all of the bosses in the game are actively trying to kill you, and the game still punishes you for not being a Buzzwords inbound pathetic beta that sits with his thumb up his ass taking all the abuse with a smile.

>>381556387
I'd say stabbing someone as a means of communication would be more of a muslim joke at the moment instead of a black joke.

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If their entire civilization can be single-handedly wiped out by a small sociopathic child maybe they needed to die. That's just nature running its course

>>381562294
Maybe monsters are just shit? Like, Asgore and Undine the Undying both try the circle attack but there's gaps in them to squeeze past.

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>>381560595
>Toriel let six kids die because she didn't want to have an awkward conversation with her ex that would've taken five minutes max
>Implying having such a mentally addled cow leave Asgore negatively effects him

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>>381562704
This.
The weak should fear the strong. Chara did nothing wrong.

>>381554558
If you have a gun and a stun gun and someone is coming at you with a knife and both have an equal chance of hitting which would you use? Both are technically self-defense, but you still chose to kill someone over just stopping them if you use the gun. It's the same type of situation.

>>381555107
Maybe YOU don't communicate in knife crime, you don't know how I communicate.

>>381556593

>Monsters don't say hello to other monsters by trying to kill each other.
>When they see a human (which majority have never seen) their way of saying hello turns in to killing the human.

>>381556959

>You are bad because video games are real life.

Jesus christ I can't believe I'm even responding to this post right now.

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>>381555107
>but you don't communicate in knife crime

Fucking watch me.

>>381562806
Asgore and Undyne are pretty much the only monsters that want you dead.
Toriel and Papyrus are big softies, Metatton really just wants to show off on TV and Sans realizes that he can't really kill you so he tries to make you stop playing.

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Undertale is shit.

>>381556593
>shooting fire at a small child is saying hello

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>MONSTERS HAVE BEEN TRAPPED FOR YEARS DUE TO THE BARRIER
>But kids keep falling though this convenient hole
Why the fuck did they not just build a fucking ladder?

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>>381554558
Speaking of this psychopathic shota, I have a question for you anons.
After chara killed undertale.exe let's assume he decided to jump to whatever game file that was near undertale in your computer. What game has he jumped in?

>>381564778
Actually, why don't monsters just climb/fly up the hole?

All I got out of this game was an urgent need to give Chara the benis.

>>381564816
>nier automata
hmmm

>>381561685
>genocide run
>you can't kill literally everything and anything
>even like half the people escape with Alphys anyways

>>381563952
The gun because they're a danger to others. They've already proven they'd attempt it once so what's stopping them from doing it again given the chance?

>>381564816
He'll probably have fun in gta v.

>>381565097
you literally destroy the whole game world at the end

>>381564816
>recycle bin
See you later chump

>>381564778
>>381564869
Because it's magic

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>>381564816
Prepare to enter an actual bullet hell.

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>>381555943

>But what about my special snowflake case that proves that I'm right in this particular but extremely rare scénario that I just made up in my head ?

Neck. Yourself.

>>381556593
If i was trappedin a tiny cubic pocket dimension with barely any space to move and some wacky creature came discharging their laser gun you bet your ass one of my first reactions would be to kill the fucker.

>>381554558
Chara is the only character in this game I related with at all, it just wants to get good at video games and level up unlike those casual anime watching deviantart monsters

That playthrough being the only one that had any sort of cohesive narrative to it instead of just being a bunch of vauge vignettes and references connected to eachother didn't hurt either.

>>381565226
>>The gun because they're a danger to others
it's not on you to decide that. you don't know the current and possible future circumstances and if you decide on a whim that someone else should die then you're a pretty big danger to others too. it's very arrogant too, that you think you can judge wether someone should die or live.

>>381555328
Because Asriel is already dead

>>381563952
Dual Wield
What do I win?

>>381564816
>shota
delete this chara is a cute girl

Although I wonder how she'll do in crusader kings 2. Being a girl is hard mode in that game.

>>381560480
Remember that one time two kids abducted and killed a toddler then left his corpse on a railroad?

Kids can be as much assholes as adults.

>>381554558
>Monsters are mad as fuck towards humans for decades if not centuries
>Asgore pacifies everyone by suggesting a plan where they murder children that happen to wander in and take enough of their souls that they can escape their "prison" (which is somehow underground despite the snow area showing a night skyline and seems pretty nice all things considered) and kill all humans
>99% approval rating for this plan, the tweeny-bopper monsters outside the hotel giggle about how stoked they are for the genocide all humankind plan with the implication that they don't attack you because they're too dumb to realize you're a human
>Almost every monster you run into attacks you first because humans are kill on sight (as confirmed by papyrus and undine), with only a couple shopkeepers who seem to not get you're human, a coupe gag enemy encounters that are harmless being the main distinctions
>Somehow they're the good guys because they like anime and say wacky things

Genocide is the best ending because undertales world makes no fucking sense and it's better to blow it the hell up with a bunch of 999's

>>381566167
>which is somehow underground
It's magic. Ain't gotta explain shit.

>>381554558
The actual reason is humans are just so retardedly more stronk than monsters that you're "hellos" can actually kill them.

That's why.

They don't know you're not a monster anon
It's harmless to other monsters
Plus you're much stronger than them
It's like slapping a baby because they pissed on you

>>381554558
>No route where you can kill alphys, the character responsible for almost everything bad that happens in the game

>>381565641
Nigga you are full retarded.

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>>381566374
Are you mad, anon?

>>381565641
>extremely rare

>>381555468
The purpose of prison is not rehibilitation it is the removal of dangerous criminal elements from society

>>381566374
Neutral, the one where she kills herself and Genocide, where you destroy the entire world and her along with it

>>381560729
The Skeletons did nothing wrong.

i dont understand how chara is supposed to be the most powerful video games character ever because savescumming is canon

savescumming doesn't actually increase your power level, in order for it to be effective you must first have a chance to win.

>>381566575
>Mt Ebott is Australia

>>381566696
I don't understand how you misinterpreted it so badly

Chara is so powerful because she got to maximum level by murdering monsters

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>>381554558
Because you're better than them and surviving while not resorting to violence is how you prove it.

>>381563952
Stun guns do not have an equal chance of stopping someone

>>381566653
Neither of those involve me personally stabbing her in the face, that's not the same.

>>381566696
I don't understand how chara is at the same time a real character but also just some vauge creepypasta representative force of powergaming sociopathy but then again undertale is a badly thought out game where the dev added bits of the game piecemeal as he got more kickstarter money

>>381566575
it used to be but then they realized recidivism exists

>>381566696
It's pretty lulzy when Soulfags wank about how strong Chosen Undead is because he can't die.

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>>381566753
>Mt. Ebott
>Ebott
>ttobe
>toby
How fucking lazy do you have to be?

>>381554558
>people honestly care about outdated bullshit like morality still.

>>381559510
>g-guys its a coindence that all the song were awful in that album

Fuck Chara. I just wanted to kill every single monster for the good of all humanity, I didn't want that prick to destroy the entire world.

>>381561769
Fuck off Jin, Amazons are people too

>>381554558
But, anon. It is ok for you to do that.

It's ok for you to do anything you want.

You're the one with the power to go back in time. You're the immortal. Who's going to stop you?

The flower? Some king of nothing? A mother's love? Maybe. If you want them to stop you.

You can do whatever you want, even if it's pointless.

>>381566658
...Maybe nothing wrong. Papyrus definitely.

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>>381564816
>chara
>boy
?

>>381563372
how can a psychopathic child be so cute

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>>381566060
>implying girls have the willpower and dedication to commit genocide

>>381556363
I think the point was more to show off those characters and what such events means to them.

Undyne gets to be the hero she always wanted to be in a completely justifiable situation. Sans finally, finally, gets off his ass and shows you why he's the real final boss.

These are the characters at their best.

And they stand no chance.

>>381564778
They explain that anything can enter the barrier but only a powerful soul can get out, the hole was probably also covered by the barrier

>>381556593
It kinda becomes worse once you realize that even if they kill you, they...can't kill you, really.

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>>381567693
Schrodinger's dick

Until we take off those pants chara is both female and male.

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>>381567985
>>381567861
>>381567693

>>381556593
>You know better, they don't.
You ever read of Mice and Men?

>>381566658
The skeletons gave way to one of the cringiest fanbases/fetishes on the Internet. They deserve to be permanently eraser.

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>TFW Just want cute art of Asriel and Frisk
>Most art just ends up being Asriel and Chara

>>381567147
>Not getting the MOTHER reference
Maybe you should play more video games.

>>381568374
It's bleedoff from Homestuck fans, what did you expect?

>>381568519
>tfw i just want art of alphys doing her job and researching asgore's dick

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>>381568519
>asriel
Only acceptable combination is frisk and chara

>>381568601
I meant more of spelling a name backwards. This isn't Sonichu.

Undertale would have been a really solid game if it had just focused on the mini game bosses and not tried to peddle a completely incoherent meta narrative. Even if that narrative is what memed it into popularity in the first place.

Like its complete nonsense to stand on one side and tell the player that they didn't have to choose violence because you are playing a video game, but once you acknowledge that then you are admitting the violence isn't violence, it's just all pretend. If I'm role-playing decisions that I would make as a character in X situation, you are saying that's wrong? Like is reading a violent book wrong because I have the power to close the book and stop reading, or because I can rewrite the book to be nonviolent? It's such a trashy bunch of garbage to try and peddle. It completely misses the point of art and to a larger extent the medium it claims to represent.

The spider and skeleton boss were fun though, really wish there had been more of that.

>>381569009
>completely incoherent meta narrative

Not sure what else you were expecting from one of Andrew Hussie's boys

>>381566064
Source on that?

>>381565949
Not that anon, but that's ridiculous. That argument would make sense if the person was stealing something, but trying to stab you? I think that lethal force is justified.

If you go to the Library it's stated that Monsters communicate through magic. They send eachother birthday cards and stuff that way. The problem is that humans are naturally weak to magic.

>>381555328
Because he's basically a god...

>>381569512
>say hello to this new thing
>it looks like that hurts it
>better not stop or try something else

>>381569448
>I think that lethal force is justified.
not if you deliberately choose to use a gun instead of a stun gun for no reason other than that you want to play god. have you not read the reply chain?

>>381555639
Punishment for a crime is senseless and counterproductive. We punish and what do we get when the criminal leaves jail? The same criminal but with anger against society.

Sorry for shit english

>>381564778
I still find it weird that none of the kids died after smacking the ground covered only by a single layer of flowers.

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>>381569659
Most monsters are basically pic related.

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>>381564816
>Touhou fangame

Chara's about to what it's like to be outside of Kansas.

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>Toby's face when fandom took off

>>381556584
> for the sake of the victims

Fuck no. Thats petty.
Doing it in "thr victin's name" is hoe a tribal society works.
I accidently ran over your child. You want me dead.
I am remorseful and will never drive recklessly again. How is my death serving you or society any benefit? Its a perosnal revenge vendetta.

Shitting writing pushing a moral that contradicts both basic video game staples and common sense.

>>381569512
I thought monsters didn't have shit on humans and they couldn't kill a single one

I really don't care for plot holes and double standards but I love this game only for the fact that it legitimally pisses shitposters and autists on /v/ off

>>381556357
The only shitty part about the genocide run is the repetitious "but nobody came" battle screens.

>>381570735
They can't kill adult humans. An untrained child is about the average civilian monster's skill level.

>>381567198
CRAWLING IN MY SKIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIN

>>381569512
>If you go to the Library it's stated that Monsters communicate through magic. They send eachother birthday cards and stuff that way. The problem is that humans are naturally weak to magic.
That's extremely convoluted, especially when there are plenty of NPC monsters that communicate normally without hurting you.

>>381571005
That's after they figure out you're not a "bad" human, or if they're in a town. Maybe they have rules against using magic in towns.

>>381570407
Don't charge your phone so you can stop posting.

>>381566167
Stars in sky were shiny stones and jems son. They even mention that.

>>381567657
what the fuck has sans done wrong then?

>>381554558

because you faggots don't have to go pacifist route if you don't want to.

Just man up and do genocide. I'm tired of faggots shitting on this game. They didn't shove the Pacifist route down your throat with linear gameplay.

>>381555328
Because he has infinite hp

>>381566575
>The purpose of prison is to remove dangerous elements from society
Uh... I mean if you're really naive I guess I could understand you believing that. But if you're in the US you have to remember a lot of the prison system is privately owned and that Governor Buttfucker's best friend, the owner of the prison system, gets paid based on how many people are locked up.

Sometimes there reason a person was sent to prison is clear, but the exact purpose and intent gets a little murky.

>>381566943
Which is why I specified that they do in this situation. It's an analogy for the game where disabling someone through nonviolent means is just as effective as violence.

>>381559115
>Homestuck Music contributors
Man I cringed from reading that.

>>381569448
Not if you have access to a nonlethal means of disabling them.

>>381567379
>It is a coindence that all the songs were awful in the album
What you mean it, Stupid fags who have no musical talent shouldn't make music.

>>381561209
>being a normalfag
Wew lad

>>381572049
Not doing anything to stop you when he knew you were dangerous, which is funnily enough flat out hypocrisy by him since he wants you to do the right thing but refuses to do it himself.

>>381554558
I feel like the game was flawed for judging you based on the path you took. This game would've been much more meaningful for me if it focused more on free will, that there is no "right path" instead of "UHH VIOLENCE IS WRONG AND YOU SHOULD FEEL BAD".

>>381573302
>I feel like the game was flawed for judging you based on the path you took
But it doesn't unless you are taking the genocide route.

>>381573302
>there is no right path
That's even more childish than what Undertale did do.

>>381556940
Playing through Undertale makes me understand why some gods are so genocidal. I did the pacifist run and left it at that, but if I were ever forced to play it again, I'd probably kill at least the fish and the robot. I'd kill the dinosaur if I could.

>>381555468
>Serve no prison time
What the fuck? What the hell would you tell the family that wants to see justice be done? "Well you see folks he was truly sorry for what he did." This has to be the most retarded thing I've ever heard.

>>381554558
Right? Genocide was a joy. Until I met fish lady again. Couldn't beat her. But fuck it felt good to slice through the game.

Undertale is a cheesy little flash game deconstructing the two general reasons people play RPGs: story vs fighting
It's just a videogame, and all of you are taking it way more seriously than the creator did, because the Sans fight is proof enough that toby thinks playing RPGs to kill shit is fine, because it can be fun. He made it a boring slog to reach, but the reward is there, because that's what grinding in RPGs is.
You're killing shit because it's there to be killed, on the promise that you'll get something out of it.
OR you can ignore all the killing and focus on wacky antics and muh virtual friends, whichever you want.

But in the end, you vehement genocidefags are just outing yourselves as autistic sociopaths.
You don't have the balls to murder real people, so you killed pixels and then got assdamaged because the game treated you as the bad guy for it.
If killing the monsters is okay because they're not real, then the game's admonishment of your behavior doesn't matter because that's not real either.
True pacifist end shows that mankind and monsterkind can get along just fine if you give them the chance, so all your justifications are worthless shit.
Like "but the monsters are stoked to destroy humanity!" As if spending generations crammed in a hole underground wouldn't dissociate you from the people responsible. Coming face to face with a human child and seeing that you're not too bad is literally all it takes for the monsters to be cool with you. Before then, humans were just legends of faceless beasts.
But no, just killing all of the monsters is so much easier than social interaction, right?

>>381573502
The purpose of prison is to rehabilitate, eye for an eye is not a factor EVEN for Americas justice system. Problem is we cant read minds

>>381573472
>"You are your own person. Make your own decisions instead of letting others influence you."
You are saying that this is more immature than
>"Hey, you really shouldn't kill anyone because killing is bad. You're a terrible individual for acting on your own accords for what you believe in."

>>381573460
sans literally has a section of the game where he just judges you depending on what your level is.

he even has responses for level's 1-19

>>381573119
Even if he does try and stop you all that would happen is that you would eventually kill him. Also he doesn't want to break his promise

The only reason he does get involved is because he knows what happens if you get to the end, unless he can stop you, you will end the game and also the world. which can't be reversed safely.

From sans' perspective the player is some sort of time bending anomaly that does anything it wants. Why the fuck would he piss it off?

>>381573302
The game itself doesn't really judge you based on your path choice, it's the characters that hate you depending on who you kill. Especially Sans near the end. They have every wright to judge if you kill their friends.

Chara even fucking praises you for going through with the genocide ending.

>>381554558
this game is fucking garbage and tries to be hip and edgy by breaking gaming conventions without a good reason

>>381565949
Some cop tried stunning someone instead of shooting and he ended dying

>>381573932
Yet he insults you and shit if you kill anything at the end.

>>381573824
Imho it's more of an interactive album.

>>381573849
Yes, because you have no reason to kill monsters other than your own amusement. There is no real moral gray area once you enter genocide route and it's fucking silly to expect the characters to respect your choices when you choose to become a killer.
The game itself doesn't explicitly judge you as it doesn't prevent you from doing what you want and doesn't punish you mechanically, but the characters do and they have damn good reasons to no matter what you think.

>>381573824
Pretty much this. No one threw a shitfit when you killed people in Fallout and were promptly treated as a monster for it. The whining about the genocide route treating you like a genocidal monster from the perspective of the monsters being fucking genocided is retarded. And if it's for the thrill of the hunt, then isn't that reaction of fear the enemies give you as you take them out one by one satisfying? Or is it just butthurt over getting a downer ending for going out of your way to be evil?

>>381573891
That's just one character, not the game. Besides, practically all the dialogue he has at that part is humorous anyways.

>you killed some people on purpose, didn't you? that's probably bad. though, maybe some of it was in self-defense.

Why are people upset over fictional characters getting upset that you killed their friends?

>>381574303
Literally fucking everyone tells you to not kill anyone at the end of the game

even the fucking flower

>>381574394
i think my favorite one is if you get to level 2, where he basically says "that wasn't an accident, you tried to get to level 2 on purpose just to see if i had something to say"

>>381572628
>stun gun misses or the person isn't disabled by it for some reason
>get stabbed and die

At least I didn't take the dude's life am I right

>>381567050
Emphasized by the fact that after one gets out of jail or even probation, many can find themselves in a position where they can't scrape a life back together, whether it's from no money, strict bureaucratically enforced scheduling with probation officers that conflict with a job that's necessary for said probation. Plus good luck finding employment when employers see your records and refuse to hire.