What went wrong?

>mobas are popular
>let's make a moba and add rts units, then call it dow
>wow it seems that we underperform
>let's release a rts mode for this rts game

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>>381554472
>let's release an RTS mode for this RTS game

This alone makes me more bitter than Perturabo. Relics betrayal makes even Horus look like a decent and rational person.

>>381554314
They made a MOBA

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>>381554314

they targeted the classic RTS player, but didn't realize that the classic RTS player is an ungrateful neckbeard who finds fault with everything.

>>381555985
>target classic rts player
>dont make a classic rts

Smart plan

>>381554314
Literally nothing.
Warhammer comunity is autistic as fuck. Nothing make them happy.

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>>381554314
The eternal LEAF

>>381554314
marketing team
As soon as they said moba word in trailers it was doomed to be shitted on.

I think the game is fine but just overpriced for what it offer.

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>>381556202
>This game came out after 5 years of development
>It was a piece of shit
>So shit /v/ doesn't even talk about EYE anymore

WHAT WENT WRONG

>>381556179
It's almost as if you have to listen to the audience of a niche franchise when making a game for them. All they had to do was have DoW 2 mechanics with a little bit of DoW1 sprinkled in and upgraded HD graphics and it would have sold like crazy. Instead they made a MOBA Frankenstein and fucking botched the artstyle tremendously, it looks not even close to what 40k looks like

They decided to target esports muh pvp faggots, instead of making a robust singleplayer experience like previous DoWs.

>>381554314
Feel of 40k was gone. Units are just glorified skins and damage numbers rather than feel like they are.

In Dow2 Space Marine guns sounded strong and they were above average durability and didn't explode at the slightest gunshot.

Orks felt chargey and the WAAAAGGHHH almost always felt brilliant as you bulldozed down your enemies.

Cover mechanics made entrenched defenses or trying to beat them enjoyable. Control points too were excellent for victory objectives.

Dow1 had Sync kills, toppest tier voice acting, overall nice mechanics and a fantastic single player content.

Dow3 is watered down but I think the real reason was the development cycle why it failed.

They went through 3 versions of this. That implies the lead director of the team had no singular, clear vision what they wanted so time was wasted on building from the ground up.

>>381556602
My guess is, overhype and godawful performance
People were expecting great things since
1. E.Y.E was a great surprise
2. It's fucking warhammer
It just couldn't live up to its hype

>>381556891
Why is Relic so incompetent?

>>381557175
I don't think its the developers fault in the context as a company. I think its more to do with a lot of their good talent along the years being hijacked by other companies.

The people who made Dow1 and Dow2 are long gone as well as the ones who made COH. When you are taking young people from Canada/USA who are attracted to the gaming industry, you are getting unimaginative, uninspired people who do not have much connection to reality. They are shallow.

That influences their ideas with which they have few. So normally they try to reference the latest hot trends without real rhyme or reason beyond "THIS MADE LOTS OF MONEY!". Going by the developer image of the Dow3 team, it was pretty much made by people like that.

On top of the terrible management of the games vision. Just like how GW was going through a drought for so many years but recently has been making an insane financial comeback larger than 2014, Relic has nose dived since THQ went down hill.

>>381556063
>dont make a classic rts
>Smart plan

Making a sequel to DoW1.
Make a DoW1 clone.

Forget that people are just meme machines, no one ever played DoW1, they were busy jerking it to porn custom maps in WC3.

>>381557418
>The people who made Dow1 and Dow2 are long gone

Objectively false. Someone went through the effort and checked the developers of the game not that long after release.
All but one were Relic veterans who came in on CoH, DoW2 or Space Marine. Generally, the higher the position, the longer they've been there.
Main designer was the guy who was behind Dark Crusade.

Yeah, totally people who know shit about games. A bunch of unshaved armchair game designers here absolutely know better.

>>381559701
DoW3 is not a DoW1 clone its a mix between dow2 and dow1 which no one wanted.

In contrast to you i actually played and loved dow1, i have shitloads of hours in every single expansion and even laddered that game.

DoW1 was actually a very good rts, DoW3 is not.

>>381554314
They didn't make a game for their fans and tried to make a game for people who aren't their fans.

>>381560429
>DoW3 is not a DoW1 clone its a mix between dow2 and dow1 which no one wanted.

It's like 5% DoW2 10% original ideas 85% copied over from DoW1 vanilla.

DoW1 cover.
DoW1 base building.
DoW1 customization of units.
DoW1 upgrades.
DoW1 listening posts.
DoW1 towers.
DoW1 counter system.
DoW1 unit lethality.
DoW1 campaign (even the story was mostly copied).
DoW1 map design.
DoW1 pop cap.
DoW2 directional armor.
DoW2 energy generators.
DoW2 pre-match selection of hero.
DoW2 suppression.
DoW2 reinforcements.
New elite point system.
New special areas on map.
New map editor.
New game mode.

>>381560976
If it were like that i would actually love the game.

But it isnt 85% Dow1.

At best its 40% dow1, with a bit of dow2 and 55% original bad ideas

>>381561187
Because you said so?
I agree it's not a copy of Dark Crusade. It's a copy of DoW1 vanilla. But it is a fucking copy, probably why so many people shit on it because they wanted more Soulstorm or Retribution, NOT DoW1.

>DoW1 cover.
Wrong
>DoW1 base building.
Wrong
>DoW1 customization of units.
Holy shit,wrong
>DoW1 upgrades.
Partially correct
>DoW1 listening posts.
Right
>DoW1 towers.
Right
>DoW1 counter system.
Wrong
>DoW1 unit lethality.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>DoW1 campaign (even the story was mostly copied).
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
>DoW1 map design.
PLEASE STOP HAHAHAHA
>DoW1 pop cap.
Right
>DoW2 directional armor.
Vehicles are useless compared to DoW2
>DoW2 energy generators.
Right
>DoW2 pre-match selection of hero.
Partially right
>DoW2 suppression.
Wrong
>DoW2 reinforcements.
More like DoW 1
>New elite point system.
Which is shit
>New special areas on map.
Also shit
>New map editor.
If it can make more than arenas,good
>New game mode.
Utter shit, annihilation should have been in the game

>>381561451
And its a dow1 copy because you say it is?

Doesnt feel like vanilla DoW1 to me to be honest

>>381561826
>And its a dow1 copy because you say it is?
I listed a ton of parallels already.

The biggest difference is the economic model which removes the downtime created once your army got erased by the stronghold defenses.

>>381560976
>DoW2 suppression.
hardly

>>381561826
Felt nothing like DoW1 to me. From the shitty music, to ugly visuals, to lacking VA and then escalation phases. Also base building is pointless given that the power core is the target, not your base. Combine that with the fact that your elites are essentially gods and can take on multiple squads by themselves, and you have a horrible game nothing like DoW1

>>381554314
>only 25% off
RELIC IS DEAD
BURY IT

>People who haven't played DoW 3
It's a MOBA

>People who played the BETA weekend.
It's a shitty MOBA

>People who bought the game and played more than a match.

It's a mediocre RTS with heavy influences from MOBAs.

>>381562221
So what you're saying is that all those statements are correct and that DoW3 is shit

>>381562210
Thats actually a huge discount for a game this new, which signals how bad it is doing

>>381560429
>DoW1 was actually a very good rts
Why people say that?
it was the most casual rts of the time

>releases game immediately after open beta
what did they mean by this?

>>381562210
>buying on steam store

>>381562380
they just wanted to test their server load and had no intention of receiving feedback from players and altering the game based on said feedback

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>>381562380
Servers test
And they thought that the game was actually balanced.

It kind of was because each faction had OP shit to abuse

>>381562380
Its called a marketing beta, which is used to lure players in

But it probably backfired if they wouldnt have let people play it in advance more people would have bought it

>>381562329
But it was FUN and had a great single player campaign mode. That's the problem when devs keep focusing on muh eSports meme and shit out the same product as everyone else. It might as well be blocks marching towards each other and number values, why the fuck is this even a 40k game if they literally half assed everything about the setting with it from sound design to art style, and even have a shitty short and boring campaign mode?

>>381559916
Well Jesus I stand corrected. If that is the case then I guess Relic has just lost its mojo over the years. Pretty sad to hear that but the Dow3 development team certainly seemed more diverse than what I saw in the Dow2 interviews.

Thanks for the info though, that's actually terrible knowing the previous devs made Dow3 and makes the whole situation worse.

>>381562807
>great single player campaign mode
I don't know why people say that all the time
Dow1 and fist expansion was pretty much generic rts campaign and DC with SS was trying to be total war but failing hard at it

>>381563557
Because even a standard campaign was better than the shit we have in DoW3, and again, I'll reiterate, that it got the setting down correctly and had great visual and sound design to match it and make it an enjoyable 40k game

>>381563557
Not him but Generic certainly beats trash which Dow3 across the board seems to have been.

DC and SS were trying to emulate TW but to give DC credit I loved that campaign and all the unique commander dialogue and after action reports on top of the endings.

It was simple in execution but it was far from being the tutorial tier of Dow3.

>>381554314
sjw pandering
I never thought that a 40k game could be so full of "strong wyman"
I lost all interest in it when they revealed that ethnic female knight

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>>381554314
This game would have benefited greatly from having its development timeframe shifted some 2-3 years into the future. Had Relic witnessed the massive success of Total Warhammer, they might have understood that people want tactical depth in combat and unit variety, not autistic basebuilding, which might have resulted in Relic making DoW3 much more similar to DoW2 - a true real time tactics game, which might have echoed the success of Total Warhammer in this day and age when pure RTS titles are dead in the water.

We might have had a good WH40K game this way, but it was not meant to be.

>>381563752
>>381563865
I think it was fine, not bad or good.
Like really the only thing I can say bad about it is the way they tell the story.

>>381560976
>i never played dow1 or 2: the post

>>381566121
You mean Sega
Relic is just a brand name which is owned by some other jew company.
Still if they did Total War : Dawn of War it still would cause massive shitstorm

>>381566165
Which is bad compared to the first and second game nailing the setting so well