Sonic Mania Will Feature More Stages Than Any Classic Sonic Game

Does this count Sonic 3 & Knuckles combined?

>>381502424
My dick is ready for this then. Taxman was saying this was a big game for a while now but I swear no one was listening to that.

>>381502424
>look guys!
>sonic and the old gang are back!
>look, we made the art look like the old thing!
>r-r-remember?

It's very sad when I see Sega doing this. It's fucking pathetic. They have no fucking clue what to do with Sonic.

Glorified rom hack.

>>381502576
It should

>>381502424
>Make boxart for every console
>Don't release an actual physical copy
I hate this.

>>381502424
when does it take place in the sonic storyline? Is it between 3&k and 4?

>>381503960
Do you really want switch owners to pay more than $20?

>new game will feature more stages than any old game.

WOW how do they do it??!

>>381503583
They are doing exactly what we've been asking for since the disaster that was Sonic 4, and I love it. kys

>>381504148
It's honestly surprising, Anon, like Generations only had 9 zones for example & they padded the rest in with mini-games/challenges.

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>trusting Iizuka
Oh boy, if it is him then that's happened
>Hey taxman-kun
>S3 have like 14 levels, I think, so Mania needs to have more
>but dont worry! after making 10 normal zones as remakes or new, then do something like a sky sanctuary, a sky chase, a wingfortress, Death Egg like S2 but boss rush with those new eggrobots and a Doomsday zone!
>there, 5 brand new levels!!!!
>and if Tails and Knuckles have their own end-boss like Knuckles did in S&K then that's 2 new levels
>7 new levels! am I genius or what?

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>>381502424
>only two acts per zone
It won't be better than this, will it?

>>381502576
It almost has to.

3K combined has 11 2 Act Zones, and 3 1 Act Zones. That's 25 Acts in total (and even then, Hidden Palace and Doomsday don't completely count as their own thing).

Mania is implied to have 5 new Zones (via image with 5 hardboiled heavies). With a 40/60 split between new and old, we need around 7 old Zones. So 12 Zones, with 2 Acts a piece, that gives us 24 Acts. And that's WITHOUT cop-out shit like Hidden Palace and Doomsday. I'm sure there will be some Boss-only Acts in Mania as well.

>>381505039
Well for one it'll feel like controlling a Genesis Sonic game instead of a game where Sonic feels like he's moving through molasses.

>>381502424
no amy no buy

That means it will become boring halfway through, great.

I wish there weren't any throw back levels and it could be a concise game with six or so zones.

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I still want a physical copy

I will pay FULL PRICE for a physical copy

>>381504880
Most of the "old" levels got reworked anyway.

>>381505146
I legitimately could not make it past the first level because the physics were so awful.

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>Dont like preordering things super early
>Was waiting til late June or early July to preorder the collectors edition
>Check Amazon today
>All CEs are unavailable
How fucked am I? How bad did I fuck up?

>>381506863
Before/After The Sequel will be remembered more for their really good soundtracks then the actual gameplay.

>>381505039
definitely won't have as good a soundtrack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IggsWL82OXY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVgy-1jwrPs

>>381506925
They all sold out yesterday. Not memeing, not joking. All but the Switch version got discounted to around 40 bucks or so and they went fast.

>>381503583
>(You)

it's not even sega's higher ups that are making this initiative, Taxman pitched this to people like Iizuka who brought the former on board for the iOS ports and they gave his team a chance to make a fully-fledged game instead of another remaster, and they're obviously reaping dividends, even the original artist for the Genesis classics was commissioned to do new art

>>381506925
I understand choosing not to preorder in general, but if you ARE going to preorder it, what is the point of waiting? Even if they revealed something closer to release that made you reconsider buying it, you can just cancel the preorder.

>>381507106
Well the main guy behind most of the tracks, Falk, is helping Tee Lopes master the soundtrack. And Tee Lopes himself is incredibly talented. No need to start a war between the two game's soundtracks.

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Green Hill Zone
Chemical Plant Zone
Flying Battery Zone
Stardust Speedway

Studioplis
Mirage Saloon
Leaked Castle Zone
New level
New level

This goes off the 5 hard boiled heavy picture, so 5 new zones. It'll double dip in classic zones.

The K on the elvator in the preorder trailer doesn't stand for SK3, the 3 includes Knuckles in it, the K stands for Knuckles Chaotix

Pick your level for the game you want double dipped, and remember, if you want an entire game based off new levels, showing Sega we want Mania is the only way to get it

>>381507359
Mania's soundtrack is also really good, but ATS has more songs, and most, if not all of them are quality. ATS wins by default

>>381507468
>Sonic 1
Spring Yard or Starlight
>Sonic 2
Aquatic Ruin or Mystic Cave
>Sonic 3
Hydrocity & Ice Cap
>Sonic & Knuckles
Lava Reef
>Sonic CD
Quartz Quadrant

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>>381507000
this
I barely remember anything about how it felt to play, but it had some nice backgrounds and the soundtrack was fucking fantastic

>>381507106
>tfw Moonlight Mansion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QqHNmkPQfk

>>381507359
didn't hear about this, very neat
Granted I'm still hype for Mania's soundtrack, but ATS was something else

Which version should I get?

I have a PC, and every console besides Xbone.

I'm leaning Switch because it's portable.

>>381507778
PC versions of Sonic games tend to get good mods. Since it runs on toasters, just get a cheap laptop.

>>381507709
Exactly this

>>381507778
I'm getting the PC version since mods could happen. I am pondering getting the Switch version also though due to portability like you said.

>>381504149
>Sonic 4
>disaster
In a series that had actual disasters like Sonic 06 and Rise of Lyric, a game that hit decent reviews and sold well isn't exactly a disaster.

>>381507468
Green Hill and Star Light
Chemical Plant and Mystic Cave
Hydrocity and Launch Base
Flying Battery and Lava Reef
Stardust Speedway and Quartz Quadrant

The thing I love about this game the most is the price, if this was made by Nintendo you can bet your ass they would be charging $60 for it.

>>381503295
he said it was longer than generation but generations is a short game.

>>381507709
This except I'd swap out Quartz Quadrant for Collision Chaos.

>>381502424
Well yeah it better. This is a celebration of games back in the genesis era with around the same graphics, it better have more stages then games made back in the 90's. I'm tempted to buy Sonic Mania, only problem is that I suck at Sonic. I could never beat Sonic 2, I would always run out of continues.

>>381507886
06 still sold well. The Boom games are the most the series has flopped.

>>381503583
Its what fans of the classic Sonic era have been wanting for a while. I'd rather look pathetic then have bad games.

>>381507974
I was honestly expecting 20 bucks as the Steam price. Happy I was right and had just enough saved in my Steam wallet for the pre-order.

>>381502424

Is this game physical?

>>381508012
I know he said that, but he also Tweeted out later in response to people complaining about there being more classic zones than new zones about how Mania is a big game so it's not much of an issue.

>>381507778
I'm getting PS4 because that's what I usually play on. I might get it for Switch as well for the portability.

>>381507726
Funk Fiction did the best tunes IMO. He needs more work.
Like, not even Sonic work. Make a fucking album of lo-fi funk and sell it in stores or someting.

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>>381507143
I really hope this isnt true.

>>381507202
Prices lower over time.

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>>381507726
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4soMg9oRamM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYGT6QEBsJA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfSESPWNt08
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cln8Lo7eBo

jesus christ ATS might have my favorite OST of any game, ever. and it's a fangame.

>>381507468
>Sonic 1
Spring Yard.
>Sonic CD
Metallic Madness and Final Fever
>Sonic 2
Aquatic Ruin.
>Sonic 3
Ice Cap.
>& Knuckles
Sky Sanctuary

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IGIIOlfwZo

That boss music. At this point, I want to see all levels maniafied. They're completely different, especially 2. I want a shit like like Marble Zone maniafied

>>381507468
Zones I really want overall:
>Hidden Palace (S2) w/ Mystic Cave and Quartz Quadrant gimmicks
>Ice Cap
>Azure Lake w/ Aquatic Ruin gimmicks
>Lava Reef

Also, if the ninja HBH's Zone is Wood Zone made real, the way Mirage Saloon is Dust Hill made real, and the way it looks like the leaked castle Zone could be Egg Garden made real, then my hype will be unrivaled.

>>381507974
Meh. Mario games deserve every fucking penny including all the NSMB games. I would be getting this even if it was 60€

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>>381505039
the level art for these games were eye straining to be completely honest. Electric Jester shows some improvement but dear god if my eyes didnt hurt playing ATS

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>>381507468
Atomic Destroyer is what I really want, a modern arrangement of its music would be godlike
of course there's no chance of it happening, but it's nice to dream sometimes

Launch Base would be cool too

>>381508341
It's a great boss tune. That Green Hill mix is great too.

>>381507468
Reminder that Sonic CD's zones will all be the Past variants to avoid music wars.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52UGIIIp9WE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AG6z9E6_LA8

Love how this shit has different music for each act. Chemical plant zone 2 looks fucking off the walls [literally]

>>381507778
PC and Switch sound like the ultimate combination

>>381508689
There's no need for a music war. USfags can just fuck off.

>>381508864
This. They don't belong here or anywhere for that matter.

If we get a Mania 2 and it needs classic stages I'd like the to be from spinoffs and maybe even the 3D games. Seeing versions of Emerald Coast, Metal Harbor, Rusty Ruins, Pirate Storm, etc. reimagined and integrated into a proper 2D Sonic would be great. Or remixes of levels like Egg Rocket, Water Palace, Marina Madness, etc. Or better yet, how about a stage done up to look like something from X-treme?

>>381509173
Gimme a Night Palace remake. or Kingdom Valley.

>>381509173
If we're going to scrape the bottom of the barrel, why can't we get the 8 bit Sonic games redone?

>>381508864
>>381508985
NA OST is inferior but it still has some good tracks. Just like the Saturn 3D Blast OST.

>>381509173
I wanna see some 8bit levels desu
c'mon Sunset Park.

>>381509293
>any of the levels I listed
>bottom of the barrel
I'd be okay with remade 8 bit stages desu.

>>381509356
Reminder that after over TWENTY YEARS, USfags have NEVER EVER tried to make past versions of their beloved tracks.

>>381509293
>Not wanting a remade version of Sleeping Egg

>>381506925
Walmart price matched Amazon yesterday, check them out.

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>>381502424
Yeah okay. Different versions of stages for each character isn't exactly a "new stage". Fuck off with this false advertising.

>>381507886
You know it as well as me that Sonic 4 was hot garbage, it was a disaster, the sales mean nothing

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>>381505039
BTS and ATS are garbage gameplay wise though. Level design is shit, physics are shit, and there's no utilizing momentum at all. Just a bunch of gimmicky levels.

The only good thing to come out of them was the god tier soundtracks and the cutscenes and I'm sure Mania will at least match them in those departments as well.

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You know Sega are a little bit salty the fans they hired to make there game for them embarrassed them silly at e3.

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>>381509894

>>381509696
>Two stages per classic game=8 zones
That's assuming Sonic 3 isn't counted separately.
>5 new stages
That's 13 zones right there.

>>381509924
F

>>381509812
Had it been called anything else it wouldn't be nearly as hated. I was upset over it when I thought it was the last attempt at a 2D Sonic we'd get, but now that Mania is a thing I've warmed up to the game somewhat. Compared to some of the other stinkers the series has seen its not that bad. As a 2.5D platformer it's merely mediocre.

>>381509924
Why? They profit either way.

>>381509924
i dont see the problem, at the end, they are gona get sum good money.

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>>381510136
Wait, WAIT, WAIT. My fucking theory, FUCK. I thought the Top hat hard boiled heavy was going to be the mirage saloon boss, but it isn't, it's this one in the webm, which is the middle hidden one, with a giant cape.

so that means, top hat hard boiled heavy means we're going to get a new casino style sonic level, or, MAGIC themed level

HYPE LEVELS MAXIMUM

>>381509812
Episode 2 was okay

How do people keep falling for the sonic cycle.
They're litterally just going to start remaking the good ones in 2 years at this rate and it'll still be shit because they have no good devs.

>>381509924
>getting to outsource production to fans who will make a better game for less money than you pay your own employees
Sounds like a slam dunk to me.

>>381510254
No amount of money can cure your ego being destroyed, one team made them look like fools after all these years.

>>381507778
PC and/or Switch

>>381510248
I hope you're not being serious anon
>boosters and springs up the ass
>walking on 90° walls
>episodic release
>5 ZONES
>ugly as fuck

Anon that game was crap, it was utter fucking shit

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>Every single time I hear about or see more of this game it sounds like it's going to be even better than I thought before
2017 has been the best year for video games in years, I'm loving this.

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>>381510301
Another look at that one, with the cape.

>>381510487
It really has hasn't it. 2017 is gonna go down as one of the very much better years for games.

>>381510482
I also forgot to mention the music, what a fucking trainwreck

>>381510136>>381510301
Cop goes with Studiopolis
Big dude with cape goes with Mirage Saloon
Morning star one on right probably goes with leaked castle Zone
Ninja probably going with a fully realized "Wood Zone"
Magician one with a casino type Zone

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>>381510248
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRs1BqezP-I

Are you actually trying to defend this.. anon? Were you hurt or something?

>>381510339
>They're litterally just going to start remaking the good ones in 2 years
They were literally remaking the good Sonic games in 2011 and 2013.

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>>381507886
>it's better to get a shit game that gets good reviews and sells well than to get a great game that gets bad reviews and sells poorly
God I fucking despise this board sometimes

>>381510771
I used to like this piece of shit
why

>>381510482
>boosters and springs
I replayed it immediately after playing the Genesis games and CD. While there a definitely more boosters/springs in 4, the difference isn't as huge as some people make it out to be. 3&K had plenty of boosters too.
>walking on walls
Yes the physics sucked. There's no denying that. They still function well enough to play the game as a standard platformer.
>episodic
So?
>5 zones
It's a budget game, and the zones each had three acts compared to the usual two.
>ugly as fuck
Episode 2 looked decent. It was mainly 1 that looked like trash. Oddly enough they flip flopped in terms of music quality.

>>381510771
This game is a living fucking testament, now with Mania in comparison, that Sonic will always and forever, be trash in the hands of Sega.

The people who want SA3 by Sega are fucking deluded by hype. It'll be something like this, but in adventure form and even worse

LET NEW BLOOD IN SEGA, LET THE FANS HANDLE IT.

>>381510894
That's not what I said you fucking retard. Sonic 4 is mediocre and neither 06 or Rise of Lyric are anything close to resembling great games.

>>381511145
That should be enough to prove that Sonic 4 is shit

>>381510771
>the game that's supposed to be """Sonic 4""" has lower production values than the DS games

>>381510771
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiMi1fq79BE
>they use the Sonic Rush engine to make the game inherently different from the Classics
>they can't even be assed to study what makes the Classics fun despite ripping off gimmicks, enemies/bosses and tropes all over the place with some re-arranging and one or two new ideas

>>381511387
IT JUST LOOKS so fucking disgusting

Who okay'd this at sega? It just looks SO fucking bad, that sonic model is some n64 shit good god

>>381510487
Pretty much, yeah. 2017 is something else.

>>381510482
Even fucking 06 was more tolerable since 3d is still getting worked out but 2d was Fucking perfect sonic 4 was an insult and made me lose faith in Sega completely till this day. Only reason I give a fuck about mania is for the talent working on it instead of sega

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>Chemical Plant fucking AGAIN

Pls no

>>381507106
Wow, this at least has an original sound compared to Mania's OST.

>>381511387
The casino level is worse then the green hill-like. So soulless.

>>381511796
Now you went full retard. 3D had been worked out long before Sonic 06 nearly killed the series and the game overall is far, far worse than Sonic 4.

>>381511693
do you mean in terms of weeb games cuz I dunno what's come out this year

>>381511796
I agree, it was horrible and unforgivable.

At least until Mania was announced, It's all okay now

>>381511628
Because it was made on a low budget and they wanted to do some really bad cel-shading to pretend it looked better than it really did. The mobile version is borderline Sonic Heroes level of quality if not maybe worse. What really offends me is the backgrounds, though, which are just.. 2D images with some basic 3D models here and there. It looks like someone tried to copy Donkey Kong Country and then made it all bland and soulless and plastic-y.

Even Episode 2 does things way better, by having more of a budget to have actual 3D assets and ditch the terrible cel-shading attempt, but it's still a budget title.

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>>381511961
Taxman is a man of tastes and knows that Sonic 2 and CD are better than 3&K

>>381511940
At least 06 is entertainingly bad

>getting your hopes up for a sonic game
>in 2017

Don't fool yourselves, boys.

>>381512180
>2
It's 1 and CD. Sonic's shoes are shorter in 2.
I wish Anon would fix Tails tails though.
What's the deal with that silhouette?

>>381512076
I mean, somewhat? But as a platformer fan, Sonic, Mario, and Crash are making big comebacks. Metroid is back, Wonder Boy is back, Shovel Knight is keeping the good DLC coming, Hat in Time looks great, I want to play Wolfenstein, and Hollow Knight was great.

>>381512351
Probably no pixel-perfect capture of Tails'.. tails.

>>381512351
I was talking games

>>381511145
I HATE long posts like these breaking down a previous post with horrible attempts at arguments that say nothing at all b-but I liked it and so?

Using the its a budget game excuse for fucking sonic 4 is what kills me. When I was younger I couldn't even imagine a sonic 4 since 3k was so good.

>>381512263
But it's not made by Sega.

>>381512551
Why would you reply to that post if you weren't talking about the graphics?

>>381512263
>being a retarded anon with no context
>in 2017
Come on

>>381512726
SEGA still has the final say in it's development.

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Name this leaked zone.

>>381511940
The closest the got imo was adventure and that was rough don't even suggest boost 3d as worked out when most of the game is 2d sections or chase quick step sections.

>>381512878
Eggsylvania Zone
alternatively Aquatic Ruin Zone Act 2

>>381512628
Thank you for proving my point. You faggots are hung up on the name and incapable of judging the game on its own merits.

>>381511940
Nah, they had to cut a bunch of corners with SA1, because they couldn't fully figure out a proper transition.

SA2 started the trend of them using those concessions as a design document, rather than trying to rectify their necessary sacrifices that went into SA1's design.

>>381512878
Glass Cathedral

>>381510771
>I saw my brother play this
>He said "Sonic is back" while playing this shit
Oh god he was just trying look happy huh.

>>381510771
i don't understand, why is the music so fucking mediocre? it's just generic as hell

senoue is a hack

>>381513310
It's not really a good game on its own merits. 75% of its stuff, if not more, is ripped from the classics wholesale, and the new gimmicks and ideas it adds are only occasionally interesting. No one likes the sleepy, boring twist on S1 special stages, nor are the room-tilting puzzles in Lost Labyrinth very fun either. The physics are something everyone bitches about, but even without taking them into mind (despite them working for S4 at least) the game doesn't take advantage of HD resolutions to help you see what's coming, and it is kind of filled with leap-of-faith level design where you have no idea what's off camera, but it's probably gonna hurt or kill momentum.

By its own merits, Sonic 4 Episode 1 isn't very good. Episode 2 is better, but the boss fights are retardedly boring besides Metal Sonic's, and it isn't exactly a great game either. But when it has better games it's trying to both ape and live up to and it falls short of almost all expectations, there's a problem.

>>381507468

Icecap Zone.

>>381512878
Rose Rhapsody Zone

Or

Crimson Cathedral Zone

>>381513725
Splash Hill is just Emerald Hill
Casino Street is just Casino Night
Lost Labyrinth is Labyrinth with some slightly new ideas thrown about
Mad Gear is just Metropolis.

>>381502424
The boxart looks lik Sonic Heroes.

>>381502424
pretty easy to do when they are just reusing art assets. a huge part of sonic levels was new level art for each stage (as opposed to other platformers like SMW that reuse stuff between worlds even late into the game), when they are just rehashing old stuff it's less special.

I hope there's a good number of original stages. I really have no desire to play romhack level edits of classic Sonic zones.

>>381513945
There are new things here and there, like ziplines, the rolling boulders, the cards, cannons, minecarts, etc.
It's just that these gimmicks are usually treated as very specific setpieces that have their own sections rather than as actual parts of the level design, plus most of them have been in other games.

The boss fights also recycle the hell out of old Sonic tropes, with some twists, but arguably they're all for the worse.

>>381514008
So yo haven't seen all of the new art assets? Like the mountains and giant statues in GHZ, or the double helixes in CPZ?

Why hasn't SEGA made anything like this fan-game?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5paaz16Nw20

>>381514859
Because the demo came out last year, and it doesn't have a full game.

>>381514859
Because A.) Sonic Team are nimrods who play hard to comfort zones whenever there's fan backlash nowadays, and B.) even for as neat as Utopia is, it's still a very unrefined concept that would need a lot of honing down and actual level design. There's also the problem that you'll notice with Unleashed to Forces, in that Sonic Team really doesn't seem to believe that player freedom is a great option anymore with how automated stages and setpieces get. Dash panels, springs both hidden and visible, scripted speed limits/caps at certain points so that Sonic can complete some cinematic loop or jump because their fucked up physics would probably not play ball but they just bandage it together to make up for it.

Also it's a lot harder than you think to create, balance and perfect open-platformer design for an entire game.

>>381508341
I can't stop listening to this. This song for me was already great, I didn't think it could be improved to such a crazy amazing extent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsZ4J90lQ1o

>>381515404

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uB9RP2SV8HY

2:40 Mirage Saloons track is just downright fucking lewd

>>381515179
Honestly, I'm slowly starting to think that Sonic will never work in 3D without some compromise.

>>381515946
sega should've pulled a SNK and kept making 2D sonic games

>>381515404
I like the funky shit that Tee did to the latter part of the mix.

>>381506689
I want it physical too, but i'm not sure I would pay the full price (90$ with taxes in Canada). 50$ would be acceptable

>>381515946
Sonic has, and will never work in 3D. Adventure was the closest, but if you go back and play it, it plays like fucking garbage. It is JUST like Sonic 06, yes, you heard me, go play both, they play almost identical just a different camera angle. Sonic need a revamp, this new forces games looks like complete ass, modern part looks like the usual okay it'll do stuff, classic sonic looks crap, and the avatar OC gameplay looks like some of the worst designs in gaming I've seen in a while

>>381513310
Fuck me for expecting more from the next installment of the original trilogy and a game that was marketed as sonic as I truly imagined it. Fuck off dude you don't even know why sonic 4 was so hated but to be fair most sonic games are like that where they are ambitious and promise a lot and are very shit but like that other anon said even as a stand alone game it was pretty bad.

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>>381515946
If Sega even made a sonic game like Sonic Utopia people would complain and say the controls are slippery or something.

It doesn't matter how much effort is even put into any sonic game they make now.

The fans are never satisfied and never will be.

>>381515946
It never really has worked in 3D without compromise. Even Sonic Adventure and Adventure 2 had some pretty significant flaws with Sonic/speed levels, it's just that one could mostly ignore them if you played them straight through. Once you started going for extra missions, though, things started getting stupid. They were also relatively setpiece driven and while they tossed mechanics at you all over the place, they were simple and straightforward enough to go through. But then you'd glitch through a floor and die, or Sonic wouldn't do something quite right and slide off a ledge and die, or the camera would get stuck on a wall and you'd not see where you're going and die.

Honestly 3D Sonic games besides Generations feel like a guilty pleasure for me nowadays, and even Generations feels off at times.

>>381516083
>>381506689

Why? Just burn a CD of Steam's backup of the game.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmVOEV29bIk

Hidden Comfy Sonic music, go.

>>381507886
But it sold poorly enough that they never bothered finishing the series and giving us episode 3.

>>381515946
Sonic can work fine. The problem is some people want 3D Sonic to play exactly like 2D Sonic, just in a 3D space. That isn't possible. Look at Mario, look at Rayman, look at Donkey Kong, etc. The 3D games don't play exactly like their 2D counterparts. Mario 64 doesn't play like World or the NES Mario games, yet it still captures the essence of the series. Sonic was simply never given the right approach.

>>381510771
Oh fuck seeing this again makes me angry, also episode 2 wasn't very good either whomever is meming that is clearly retarded since it was just a slightly less bad version of episode 1.

>>381508297

I could never get those games to run, what's the secret?

Honestly Super Monkey Ball was pretty close to how I'd imagine a 3D sonic game, but with longer levels

>>381516426
I'd call the Saturn Sonic 3D Blast OST pretty comfy.

>>381516694
What's to get? It's just an exe file you need to run.

>>381516294
Glitches like that happened in the old games too, friendo. It's very easy to get stuck in the walls of Metropolis, Carnival Night, or Flying Battery.

>>381516756
Saturn OST was good but unfitting for Sonic. Stuff like Rusty Ruins and Volcano Valley felt like JRPG music.

>>381516612
Mario absolutely works in 3D. See Galaxy and 3D Land/World

>>381516776
Every game has glitches. It's just that while they had chances to happen, the Genesis games were mostly more polished compared to how the 3D games almost seem held together with duct tape. Mostly because Sonic 1 is a thing.

Also don't forget that this is the same Sonic Team that is so lazy with Sonic Adventure DX's ports that the PC version on Steam is a port of a port (Xbox Live Arcade) of a port (original PC version) of a port (Gamecube version), with more and more problems, downgrades, glitches and otherwise becoming prominent with each re-port. And until recent years, you couldn't even fix most of these problems (and the occasional ones still aren't).

>>381502424
The games not even doing that good. The collectors edition is already getting discounted, 2 months before the game is even fucking out. Forces is going to shit on this game at this rate. FML

>>381517113
forces is catering to sonics biggest audience, the autistic. That OC creator could be released as a STAND alone game and outsell anything, the fact it is packaged with forces is just a extra, it was and will always outsell forces, no matter the quality of the games

I've said it before, Mania will undersell and just be known as that classic that never got bought properly. and I can assure you, if that does come true, that'll be a true look on how gaming really has died.

>>381517475
It will always outsell Mania*

>>381517113
It got sold out, not discontinued.

You know, I'm glad I haven't played a Sonic game since the originals. Green-hill Zone and Chemical Plant Zone really will be Nostalgic for me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1dERHRw_Vw

>>381517475
If the game sells the most, doesn't that mean it's technically a success even if it has like a 6-7 rating score?

>>381517475
I don't even get it. I like the 3D sonic games but forces looks terrible. The last real 3D and good sonic game was sonic unleashed

>>381502424
My theory is still that all previous levels have been remastered. I think the elevator from the preorder trailer is going to be the in-game menu to decide which levels to play.

In which case Mania will have a fuck ton more levels than any classic Sonic game.

>>381509173
Gimme some Advance stages please.

All I want is for Music Plant to be remembered.

>>381513717
Why are you blaming him? He's just the composer.

Wow, more than Sonic 2?

Fuck - release of the year. All that's missing is a physical release.

>>381518162
I want Techno Base or Ice Paradise. Techno Base's music through a CD instead of a sound chip would be amen break bliss.

>>381513717
The compositions are fine. It's just... That weird half assed attempt at sounding "retro".
Classic Forces seems to be attempting the same thing which is fucking worrying.

>>381502424
Wait are they coming out with physical copies of the game now?
I'll pre-order it for my PS4 if it's true.

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>>381518262
>Techno Base's music through a CD instead of a sound chip would be amen break bliss.
I want this so bad.
The advance series had incredible music.

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I NEED TO KNOW MANIA'S FUCKING SPECIAL STAGE, FUCKKK.

>>381518356
No, they're still not doing physical copies. I have a feeling the way it's probably gonna get one is through one of those indie box companies that make limited amounts of physical copy games for people that want them.

>>381518614
Dammit, the art looks really cool for the game and it cost $40 so I don't know why they refuse to release it on disc.

>>381507778

Already have it preordered for PC.

>>381507468
>It'll double dip in classic zones.
What if instead, they do 2D remakes of zones from the 3D games? Kind of like Generations but with sprites and actually good classic physics.

Also, they could dig into unfinished beta levels, maybe even get access to any internal files that Sega still has to make them more authentic. I'd love to see what Genocide City was originally supposed to be.

Also also, Hydrocity

>>381516952
Yeah, that's exactly what I said. Mario works in 3D, and did so since Mario 64, because rather than try to directly copy what the 2D games were doing the 3D Marios were built around what works in 3D. Compare that to what many Sonic fans want out of a 3D game: a direct copy of 2D Sonic brought into 3D space. It wouldn't work.

>>381518975
The key part we're all missing out when moving to 3d is one aspect

SPEED. Nobody fucking knows how to do a 3d platformer, and make it so sanic fast, because the truth it, it can't be done, there has to be some kind of middle ground

>>381519127
Sonic rarely goes stupid fast in the Genesis games. Something like a speedier Mirror's Edge (although not first person) or even the platforming in Ninja Gaiden (the movement in those are based heavily on momentum) maybe would work. They need to test what works in 3D and crank the speed little by little until they reach the max of what's fluid and comfortable to play. I don't think they've spent any amount of time testing and tweaking that kind of stuff; every 3D Sonic seems like they just stuck with their first attempt and built around that, polish be damned.

>>381516694
Flash player

>>381505039
Time Twisted was better than that though.

>>381502424
BOUNCE PAD

any chance we get a few generations levels? no wisps since apparently everyone don't like that

>>381520550
Well we have Green Hill and Chemical Plant

>>381519819
It also doesn't help that when they do take risks and make sweeping changes to try a new idea, they really don't seem to understand fundamental factors of what makes Sonic good or unique. Lost World is such a mess of ideas that have little to no cohesion whatsoever, and it pains me to remember it exists given how much it feels like Sonic Team just threw a bunch of drafts together and then went "OH YEAH AND WE NEED TO MAKE IT LIKE MARIO TOO, LET'S IGNORE THAT OUR ATTEMPTS TO COPY NEW SUPER MARIO BROS FAILED"

>>381520742
I like how the "secret world" you unlock at the end of the game is literally just a smattering of ideas that didn't even make it into the full game.

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>>381520742
>>381519819
I think the problem is that Sonic Team only understands the "go fast" aspect, so they just focus on whatever it takes to let Sonic go fast, but they fail to think about the concept of going fast. What makes fast happen, and what keeps it going. These are things you can feel were ideas behind the classic games' development, but today's Sonic games completely neglect to take into consideration.

>>381521159
It's all based on slopes. There's barely any slopes anymore.
Mania though looks to have tons of slopes.

>>381520609
>>381520550
I meant something like crisis city

>>381520742
I've only ever played the Wii U demo of Lost Worlds, and honestly I found it pretty enjoyable. But every time I see the game brought it people are saying how bad it is, so I never bothered to get the game. Is the rest of the game significantly worse than the demo?

>>381512878
Sky Palace Zone

>>381521159
The classic games were pretty brilliant in that they started with the idea that going fast = fun, which is pretty self-evident from the existence of roller coasters, race cars, etc., but they were smart enough to realize that that's a cheap thrill with no depth to it, so they built a game around the idea that you can go fast and get that exhilaration but only if you've mastered the mechanics and stage layouts.

Modern Sonic is just all fast all the time with some occasional twitch reactions that border on being glorified QTEs

>>381521629
It never gets better than the demo and only around 6 stages really reflect the design of the first stage.

>>381521629
It gets more and more uninspired. It's the Mario thing where the zone is called something, but a lot of the acts in the zone don't feel like they belong and has a whole "throw shit at the game and hope it sticks" kind of feeling.

>>381521629
It's inoffensive at first, though I just personally really don't like the whole "run button but every time you turn Sonic just sharply does so with no control of momentum whatsoever". But genuine, proper platforming levels like the first one are actually interspersed on occasion between a lot of side-scrolling and numerous gimmick levels of some sort. It's actually ridiculous how much of the game just uses its setting as an excuse to throw in a random stage-long gimmick for the hell of it, and they're usually not that good.

But the Wii U / PC version is overall mediocre. Nothing like the 3DS version, which starts off better than the console version in some ways and then nosedives into some of the worst level design i've ever seen in a Sonic game.

>>381522040
Seconding the 3DS game being shit. It's peak "we don't know what the fuck we're doing anymore" Dimps.

>>381522040
Yeah that's one thing I hated about the demo. Horizontal movement speed and vertical movement speed are completely different.

>>381522147
You think that's bad, don't fucking hold and jump the run button in the side-scrolling sections if there's precision platforming to be had. For some fucked up reason, Sonic's running-jump is absolutely atrocious to control compared to his slower jumps, which means it's incredibly easy to run-jump and fling yourself into a pit with a flimsy doublejump as some last-ditch effort for a save. Once you realize you can run and then release the run right before you jump to maintain better control, it's a little more doable, but holy fucking christ.

>>381512878
Shitty beta art for Freedom Planet

>Game is made by Amerifat and only Amerifat.

Disgusting.

>>381522549
And yet it looks better than any Sonic game made by the Japanese in a long, long time.

>>381522549
The main dude is australian

>>381522549
Actually learn about what you're shitposting about, yeah?

>>381516426
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VibADcNg980

>>381518809
No. This is a pure celebration of classic Sonic.

>Hydrocity
Aquatic Ruin's taking that, anon.

>>381522469
Even from the blurry picture alone it looks better than the visual diarrhea that is FP.

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>>381524098
It looks like that chineese level.

>>381524181
what are you talking about it looks more European and Gothic then Chinese it looks like a cathedral. Just look at those windows

>>381524682
Not to mention the color palette isn't eye bleeding.

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>>381524181
good fucking christ.

>>381523692
>Hydrocity getting beaten out by Aquatic Ruin
That won't happen. Hydrocity is the water zone a majority of people like.

>>381511961
why is Tails the most inconsistent sprite out of the 3? they could've at least given him one lighter shade for the new sprite, but for some reason it's been insisted on to recolor the Sonic 2 sprite from 3K onwards. why?

>>381525892
If anything, Tails is actually the most consistent. Even Knuckles gets a new sprite for Chaotix, while Tails was slated to just use the same old sprite before he was cut.

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>>381524181
FUCK CHRIST

>>381525131
>>381526361
fucking newfags

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>>381522469
>Freedom Planet
don't compare this to that eye-grating trash

>>381502424
COnsidering we're getting more than half a game of shitty vanilla Act 1's I'd expect so.

Also Taxman must be running out of ideas for boss fights by now. If 14 Robotniks in 3 wasn't enough already.

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>>381506925
>>381507143
How do I get Sonic Mania for $40 through Walmart.com on PS4? It still says $69.98

>>381527026

Did you even see the Greenhill act 1 footage? Its very different.

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>>381522469
Ew, no. Whatever Mania's bringing to the the table looks a thousand times better than pic related.

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>>381522469
>>381528805
>tfw one day /v/ will shitpost about the graphics in your game

>>381528993
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>381528993
i'll enjoy your game, anon :^)

Imagine if we got a Labyrinth Zone?

>>381503710
Yes but an actually glorious one.

>>381530739
We won't get Labyrinth, We'll get Hydrocity.
Probably with gimmicks taken from Aquatic Ruin cause Hyrdrocity already had bits of Labyrinth in it.

>>381528993
Dev here, You get used to it.

>>381509924
>the game fans have wanted gets more priase

OH FUCK MY ALMONDS, THEY'RE ON FIRE

>>381503960
Literally just a copy paste into a template

I hope it's not too easy.

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>>381509924
best part is how much open space they left on the Forces board. Nahhh, you're not getting anywhere near as many as you thought

>>381532993
How hard do you want it? Do you want every level to be Metropolis? What's the baseline difficulty you're thinking about?

>>381502424
Quality > Quantity

Sonic Mania has been average/mediocre thus far

You just know that final boss is going to be something fucking insane.

>>381534438
Of course it'll be. It could be even a remake of Final Fever.

>>381534353
You need some new bait, this one's gone bad.

>>381516389
>Just burn a CD of Steam's backup of the game.
Oh, you mean the backup that you have to have Steam installed to restore? The backup that is useless if Steam is down or Gaben decides you don't get to play that title anymore? Get fucking real.

>>381534568
>literally first post ITT
>b-bait
Thanks

>>381534813
>literally come into a thread 200+ replies in just to post some shitty bait
Good job kid

>>381512878
Egg Cathedral Zone

Unlock a OC sprite character creator when you 100% the game

that is how you guarantee sales on this thing

>>381522549
But Taxman is Australian.

>>381517789
Generations was fine. Although I also quite like Unleashed day stages. They're long but feel big.

>>381522549
Sonic Mania is actually made by Australians

>>381536584
Taxman is an aussie, but I dunno about Stealth.

>>381522549
I know. they ruined DK after taking it from the Brits and now they're coming after Sonic.

>>381537086
Is this bait? I'm being trolled, right?