Smash Bros. 5

>>381491714
Playable boss characters

Bump. No one wants to talk about the next Smash Bros.?

Sylux will probably be playable.

I hope less Fire Emblem characters, I mean even the Zelda franchise has less slots.

>>381494690
We're not getting anew smash for like at least 7 years. And we're most likeley just getting a remake of 4 anyway in the mean time.

>>381492862
N E V E R E V E R

>>381494925
Guess that retro studios has to reboot it.

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>>381491714
>Since it's basically all but confirmed that the next Smash Bros. for Switch is going to be a sequel and not a port

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>yfw no 3DS version to hold it back

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>>381494949
It's gonna happen

>>381495015
without having seen any statements either way it would make sense since each smash game so far has only been on one console, like smash64, melee gamecube, brawl wii etc etc

>>381494986
At least if retro is behind the wheel we'll finally have more DK characters

Even with depression Smash is one of the only games that is still moderately entertaining to me.

>they still don't have Paper Mario in the game yet
I've been hoping for him since Melee, but whatever, they might make him gay if they put him in now, because so much has changed. I've played all of the smash bros so far except DS, so I'm exited for Smash 5.

They seriously need to add more diversity, and be less retarded about balancing.

>Melee fox
>Meta Knight
>Grab attacks cancel defensive hit boxes??? why?
>items and stages are shit

If they fix that, then the game would be good, as long as they add likeable characters and don't fuck it up.

>>381491714
Smash 4.
>developed by Namco Bandai.
>No Bandai characters like Goku.
>Pac-man is the only Namco character to get in, others has been transformed into mii costumes
All of which is due to Sakurai bias.

In the next smash, I'm expecting more Namco characters (not transformed into mii costumes if the miis come back) and introductions to Bandai characters to smash bros.

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>>381494925
I wouldn't be surprised if we get a Smash Bros. 5 announcement around Christmas time or at E3 next year desu.

Honestly I expect this to happen:
>Virtual Console direct in late Summer/Early Fall
>Fall/Winter games get released
>Metroid Prime 4 gets delayed
>Nintendo releases Metroid Prime Trilogy Remastered to make up for it
>E3 rolls around, focus is on pokemon, Animal Crossing, Fire Emblem, footage of Metroid Prime 4, and a surprise Smash Bros. announcement at the end
>Treehouse stream will show gameplay of Smash Bros. as well as gameplay of all the other games shown during the direct along with Kirby and Yoshi
>Smash Bros. Switch gets released by Summer/Fall 2019
>Will be a joint collaboration between Retro Studios and/or Nintendo EAD with Sakurai on as a pure supervisor role
>Singleplayer will have fully customizable characters/movesets and they will bring back the in-depth story mode and RPG elements from Brawl
>Will have a smaller roster to focus on fun to play characters instead of clones

>>381495848
>Will have a smaller roster to focus on fun to play characters instead of clones
I'm triggered about this.

>>381495848
>bring back the in-depth story mode

THIS

>>381495275
THE DREAM

When is a nintendo direct coming to have a announcement of smash 5?

>>381496856
Tomorrow dude screen cap this

>>381495848
>Singleplayer will have fully customizable characters/movesets and they will bring back the in-depth story mode and RPG elements from Brawl

The brawl story mode wasn't even that good, it was meh. Most of the character partner-ups didn't make sense, no voice acting made it dull. The final stages made the game un-fun. And most of the stages were the same game play wise, they could've incorporated some mini games based off the different series at some sections.

>>381491714
>get rid of clones
>re-design ganon
>add ridley
>add waluigi
>have an option to play stages normally, omega, or normal without stage hazards
>keep smash run
>remove smash tour
idk what else

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>>381491714
Bring back directional air dodges that put you in free fall and make ledge get ups unable to be buffered from a ledge grab to make trumps more punishing.
Now you've got Super GOAT Bros. For Switch.

>>381495292
Since Smash 4 was on 3DS and Wii U I'd say that throws your theory out the window, hoss.

>>381497236
That smells like Melee.

I'm not holding my breath for a new Smash personally unless it keeps going without Sakurai.

>>381491714
A third attack button for all characters.
We have A and B. Now use Y aswell. X remains for jumping.

You don't even need to create new moves, Sm4sh had a lot of personalized moves already.

>>381495125
Ice Climbers returning

>>381495605
>>Grab attacks cancel defensive hit boxes??? why?
Are you talking about grabs bypassing shields? Of course they'd do that. Or are you talking about something else?

>Unlockable Fighting Polygon/Wireframe character with random moveset

This should've happened with Melee, if not sooner. The Polygon character was such a good idea, just like Charade was in Soul Calibur.

>>381498062
Did anyone actually play Charade?

>>381491714

It's not really a franchise that needs reinventing. It's good as it is. Just need to fix the gameplay. I don't care what anyone says - running, jumping and having N O N E of you momentum is fucking bullshit. It ruins characters like Captain Falcon. That is the sole reason I cannot main him. The lack of momentum fucking kills Falcon, Sheik and characters like that for me. It just makes no sense. No one can justify this. Absolutely no one.

>>381491714
Guarantee rayman will be a playable character, hence the deal with ubisoft to let them use mario for there shitty rabbids game.

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Inkling
SpringMan
Sylux
+ all those who got decent positions on the ballot

>>381498278
Single biggest problem with Sm4sh imo. Even worse than the emphasis on defensive play and it taking so long to kill someone off the side or top.

>>381498330

You'll get Rabbids and you will like it.

>>381498275
I did. I liked his design enough to learn how to play all the characters enough that I wasn't just button mashing. Doesn't mean I was good at them, but my friends hated when I chose him because if I got someone I was good with, it meant they'd lose. Russian Roulette, but with someone else pulling the trigger.

>>381498498
Different anon here, I would play a Rabbid. I don't even care for the Rayman series, but I like how dumb the Rabbids are. Reminds me of the kind of cartoons I grew up with. Blunt humor is the best kind.

>>381498481

It is. I don't need wavedashing and all that. Just give me my damn momentum. It's the most ridiculous thing to me. I can't see a reason as to why they felt it was needed. I feel it doesn't really affect heavy characters, but the faster the character is, the more noticeable it is, imo.

>>381491714
Better implementation of custom moves. IMHO, they actually could have been a game changer for Smash 4 but their poor implementation ruined them.
Also, deactivable stages hazards like bosses or f***g flying men.

In a gameplay perspective : balancing asides, just nerf the defensive options (airdodges in particular) in general.

And I want Phoenix Wright. And Layton. And Snake back...

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>>381498421
Salt if these were to get into smash in place of highly requested ballot characters.

Is anyone else frustrated waiting for the next smash.

I don't want them to rush it but, at the same time, REEEEEEEE

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Would rather Smash take a backseat and we get a better and more fun to watch fighter desu

>>381498706

The Inklings were highly requested. I get what you mean though. The people want Ridley, K Rool, Paper Mario, Impa, etc. Not really a fan of those, but it feels like Nintendo is spiting the fans by not including them.

>>381497236
>I can't jump and airdodge at the same time


You can basically already do that

Going by recent trends at Nintendo, we're going to get that big, winged, fire breathing monster everyone loves, Alduin

>>381498915
>Mario
>Dr. Mario
>Green Mario
>Yellow Mario

And now Paper Mario?

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>>381499135
You missed Purple mario

>>381499135

I don't see why not. Paper Mario, Toad, Ridley and Dixie Kong are some of the few iconic Nintendo characters not yet playable. They can't be kikes about this forever.

>>381491714
>surprise Smash direct
>opens with Kimishima executing Sakurai live on-screen
>Super Smash Bros 3 announced
>Tons of newcomers shown: Meta Knight, King Dedede, Wario, Waluigi, Rosalina, Ridley, Sylux, Diddy Kong, K Rool, Decidueye, Charizard, Toon Link, Beast Ganon, Wolf, Lucas, Ike, Celica, Olimar, Tom Nook, Inkling
>A brand new Adventure Mode, where each franchise has their own scenario/levels
>Individual Break the Targets stages
>Online tourney mode with lots of customization options
>An actual ladder for online play

>>381499314

>3

Why

>>381499314
>3

Was there ever a 2?

>>381499314
>Super Smash Bros 3 announced
>Super Smash Bros 3
Brawl Deluxe (aka Project M) confirmed guiz!
>>381499531
>Was there ever a 2?
That was Melee

Red Mario
White Mario
Green Mario
Yellow Mario
Pink Mario
Light-green dinosaur Mario
Fat, spiked Mario
Light-blue space Mario
Small, spiked Mario
Big Monkey Mario
Small Monkey Mario

To think they've included this many versions of Mario but still not the best one (Paper Mario) and still not the second-best one (Purple Mario).

>>381499735

>yfw they include Tanooki Suit Mario as a newcomer

>>381499734
Then why wouldnt brawl count as 3?

You can't really say because it wasnt your favorite game it doesnt deserve a number. Melee was never advertised as Smash 2.

>>381499314
>Tons of newcomers shown
>Meta Knight, King Dedede, Wario, Rosalina, Diddy Kong, Charizard, Toon Link, Wolf, Lucas, Ike, Olimar
Anon those aren't new characters. Also:
>Celica
>Tom Nook
Fuck off.

>>381491714
How about they use all new voice lines and not recycle from 2 or even 3 generations ago.

>Mario
>Doctor Mario
>Green Mario
>Jew Mario
>Dastardly Mario
>Paper Mario
>Baby Mario
>Metal Mario
We need at least this many

>>381491714
Obviously they will use BotW designs and items, it got too popular and gay
Mario will have odessy moveset and hat
Yoshi could be yarn now
Olimar will be there to shill pikmin 3DS and possibly 4
I can't think of the rest

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>>381499863
Where did I say Brawl ISN'T 3? I just did in my post.
And come on, Melee is a sequel to 64 and Brawl is a sequel to Melee. Sakurai even stated 3DS and WiiU Smashes are "4 and 5'" respectively.

>>381500094
Nope, they'll just keep them as customs.

>>381499938
>Anon those aren't new characters
Then how do I unlock them, pray tell?
Next you're gonna tell me you can unlock Sonic by getting 50 KOs in Cruel Melee
I'm not stupid, if they were in the game I'd have them by now

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>>381500064
>Forgetting Cat, Coon, and Gay Pride Mario

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Huh

>>381500276
All the enemies come from Kid Icarus Uprising

>>381500208
You said they're newcomers to the series and they're not. I'm not sure if you're joking or just stupid. But all of those characters listed are in different versions of smash.

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>>381491714
Here's my case for Ridley and I say this at someone that isn't a Ridleyfag.

Nintendo has pretty much run out of instantly recognizable characters beyond things like Splatoon and Arms that were created after Smash 4.

Seriously, who is left that most gamers instantly know? Toad/Captain Toad? K Rool? MAYBE Impa? Sure, they're going to add some new Pokemon and more shit like Simon Belmont or even Shovel Knight, but they can't only put in Pokemon or 3rd parties.

I honestly think he has a pretty good shot, especially after Sm4sh was scrapping the bottom of the barrel for additions.

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>>381500276
Can't wait for them to add 5 more MoeEmblem characters and remove Diddy, Jr, and Yoshi in their place. Oh and 3 more dark clones of all the KI characters. :^)

>>381500686

>Jr

You say this as if he's in the game.

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>>381500686
>5 more MoeEmblem
please no more characters from that shit series.

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>>381500686
>tfw you can't tilt the menus
SAKURAIIIIIIIII

>>381501089
B-but I wanted Hector.

>>381501289
You'll get Chrom and like it!

>>381497191
All of this

>>381495605
>Grab attacks cancel defensive hit boxes
What the fuck does this even mean

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>>381500835
>Junior nearly got cut and even when he got in, he's literally broken (i.e. glitchy) and just generally fun, but not good
I don't remember wishing on a monkey's paw...

>>381501856
:'(

>>381491714
3d gameplay like tekken.

>>381491714
I want characters to have more moves packed in like they did with Ryu's tilts and Samus's side special.

>>381503123
Ike could have his blade beams back that way. Maybe if you held down A during his side tilts, it shoots a wave.

>>381504150
Why did they removed Palutena?

Every smash is lazier than the last.
I expect more clones, more down-b counters, and even less combos/grab loops.

>>381503978
Literally everything could be better that way.
>more combo potential
>more variety in fights
>more utilities for each character
>more possibilities to make moves referencing things from fighter's games

If they need to they can just make it turn it off in a casual party mode.
Literally everyone is happy. The best thing they could do is this.

>>381496856
January

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>>381504150
>Cutting Bowser Jr.
>Ivysaur & Sceptile
>Slippy
>Porky's Spider Mech
>cutting Palutena despite her actually being a major character

>>381497357
yeah that's fair actually I'll keep that in mind

>>381505220
*I missed Lyn AND Roy.

>>381491714

>Expecting a brand new Smash already
>Implying it wouldn't be done by the end of the Switch's life
>Seriously believing they won't take the easy way out and just port the wii u Smash
>Wanting even more characters

People only like Smash for the roster predicting and shitposting. No one here plays it for more than 5 months (max). Don't even say you play it "competitively" because it's so shallow that people still rather play Melee instead.

remove sakurai

>>381505423
Because he put rayman and a indle as a trophy!

>>381505356
>expecting a brand new splatoon already
>etc,etc.

>>381505621

no because hes an out of touch hack who shoehorns in kid icarus shit and hasnt got a clue what people want out of the series

>>381505827
this

>>381491714
Ridley still won't be playable. Get over it fags.

>>381505356
>No one here
That's the keyphrase, no one HERE. Everyone else still plays the game because its fun with friends at parties.

>>381506498
if Sakurai isnt involved, you bet your ass Ridley is a shoe in.

>>381505641

>Implying they didn't just copy/paste code and assets of a relatively easy game to develop
>Implying that instead of copy/pasting the sae way for Smash that they won't just port the wii u one

I know you wanna believe, but come on. Sakurai doesn't have it in him to start a brand new one, not until the very end of the Switch's life at the very least.

>>381506747
>if Sakurai isnt involved, you bet your ass Ridley is a shoe in.
No matter who the director is, Ridley ain't getting in.

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>>381505220
>>381505312
>Sceptile
>Lyn AND Roy
bad

When smash 5 comes out will I be able to make bank on all my smash amiibos, like I did with all zelda ones when breath of the wild came out?

>>381506886
Do we need two Grass type Pokemon?
And I thought it was generally agreed that Fire Emblem has too many characters?

>>381505827
I dunno, I kinda liked how he shoehorned Cloud, WFT and Mac

>>381506824
Obviously they are going to reuse all the assets, the power on the switch and wiiu are the same.

It's only a matter if they are going to straight port the game or port it with a coat of fresh paint. No way they are making a new smash from the ground up.

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>>381507083
>Do we need two Grass type Pokemon?
No so this is why best one should get in over memeasuar.
>And I thought it was generally agreed that Fire Emblem has too many characters?
It does, so get rid of all the nuEmblem characters past the classics

I would want Serperior instead of Sceptile. A snake-bodied character sounds cool and unusual.

>>381491714
I'm actually wondering if Sakurai will make the next one. Seems like a 50/50 chance, semms like the last development cycle really took it out of him. I do hope that nintendo realizes that they can make a smash game that appeals to the competitive old guard while being fun for everyone. melee's appeal always came from the fact that you could goof off with friends or get super serious and both ways of playing were viable and fun. smash 4 was definitely edging in that direction again but really lacked a system by which people could reliably combo and punish.

>>381507465
If we're ever getting a Grass type, it'll be the owl

>>381507465

>get rid of all the nuEmblem characters past the classics

This. actual fans of fire emblem don't give a fuck about 2 customizable OCs and a marth clone. Keep Ike for his moveset and Marth for his grandfather status. Add in Hector and Ephraim for the complete weapon triangle, call it done.

>>381507465
>It's okay if it's not from the new games

>>381508546
Awakening is still significant though, since it was supposed to be the last game before the sales brought it back from the brink. Like it or not, Awakening was a hit with casuals and is currently the face of Fire Emblem, so you might have to keep Robin.

>>381498706
It would be the character from the new Fire Emblem main line game for the switch

>>381507083
>>381507465
Just put Treecko with Ivysaur moveset

>>381505827
I like Palutena.

Dark Pit is debatable. I want to tolerate him but he's too cloney

>>381507203
>the power on the switch and wiiu are the same
haha good one

>>381508897
That game is really just a dynasty warrior clone which I'm soooooo fucking sick of. Merely a spinoff and it will be forgotten quickly just like hyrule warriors. A smash and sprint clone. Gay cop out bullshit

>>381507924
he'll always come back

Add fucking clones, games with tons of clones are hilarious

>>381500570
This plus the two new Metroid releases coming in the next few years makes me hopeful for another Metroid rep, even if it isn't Ridley (but who else could they add? pls no Dark Samus)

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>>381495292
>because they've always done it this way, that means they have to do it this way forever

>>381507083
It was agreed that FE has too many characters before they added 2 more in DLC
Samurai doesn't care what the community agrees upon, past the one poll they did

>>381491714
Instead of falling off the stage they give characters health bars.

Imagine it.

>>381514218
I can, it's called Stamina Mode.

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I DEMAND

>the ability to queue up with a friend for online 2v2 matches against a pair of randoms

>make Pit shooting more fun again

>make defensive play, running & dodging less effective

>>381491714
I want singleplayer content that isn't fucking garbage, even CLASSIC mode sucked ass in Smash 4.

>>381498761


The longer it takes, the more new content I expect. so it balances out.

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No one. I feel like I already have just about everyone I could ever want with Smash 4's roster outside of NEVER EVERs like Lloyd Irving or Wonder Red

If you told me 15 years ago that Cloud, Ryu, Sonic, Mega Man, Snake and Pac-Man would all be in Smash Bros. I would have laughed in your fucking face

>>381504150
Springman is too similar to little mac desu, if there is an ARMS rep I hope it's Ribbon Girl or Mechanica.

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>>381504150

seeing Skull Kid and Ghirahim reminded me that this zelda villain exists

Oracle of Ages/Seasons are like the most forgotten Zelda titles

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get my boy in there

Bring back:
Ice Climbers
Wolf

Make playable:
Saki
Takamaru
Ghirahim
Samurai Goroh
Ray mkIII
Isaac
Kat & Ana
Dillon
Sabel Prince

Add:
Inkling
Spring Man with Ribbon Girl as an alt character
K. Rool
Kamek
Decidueye

>>381517168
>Ice Climbers
No, I like 8 player smash

>>381491714
Either actual depth or for it to stay out of EVO
It's embarrassing seeing sm4shfags act like the videogame equivalent of checkers belongs in a real tournament

>>381491714
I want it to play like Melee just so Meleefags will shut the fuck up

>>381517367
You think the Switch couldn't handle it?

>>381518838
Switch is barely more powerful than the Wii U, it's hard to say.

>>381518838
>>381519205
If Sakurai's words are any indication, the problem was never with the Wii U, but rather the 3ds

Make it like Melee and quit with this casual, scrub-ass, garbage of a game that its been since Brawl.

Implement Melee mechanics so the franchise can quit being gutter trash.

>>381495275
go AWAY

>>381519638
No melee is boring, the base movement is stiff, and it feels uncompleted. Ironically PM is feels less clunky.

Remove:
>Every FE character other than Marth
>Dark Pit, Dr Mario, Toon Link
>Lucario, Shulk, WFT, Miis and Sheik - they're outdated characters with zero relevance

Revamp:
>Ganondorf
>Wario to be more like his Wario Land games
>Mario and Link to be more like their modern incarnations
>Lucas to be more different from Ness

Add:
>Inkling
>Springman or Ribbon Girl
>Rhythm Heaven character
>Ridley
>K Rool
>Bomberman

There you go, a perfect game.

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>>381520361
>Lucario, Shulk, WFT, Miis and Sheik - they're outdated characters with zero relevance
>Adds K Rool

>>381520361
>they're outdated characters with zero relevance
Yes, and?

>>381520361
This, all the way this.

>>381519527
This. Remember that Sakurai said the Ice Climbers weren't working well on the 3DS so they were removed from both versions to keep it fair to the consumers. Wii-U got fucked over because of a crappy handheld and Sakurai's autism.

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>>381520553
>Getting rid of Furfag bait, Weeb garbage, Filler and a character that's in the game already.
>Putting in a character that should have won the voting.

>>381521029
You/they said "outdated characters with zero relevance" and the last time K Rool was in a game, it was a Mario Baseball sequel.

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>>381495125
>at least twice the content of Smash 4

>>381520361
Decent picks, but you're missing the important gameplay elements

>Muhmentum
>A reasonable fall speed
>Less useless minigame bullshit eating dev time
>All clones turned to Alph style alts
>Less spammable dodges
>shields that take hitstun and don't instantly recharge
>Marina Liteyears because fuck you she deserves it

>>381520361
>Lucario, Shulk, WFT, Miis and Sheik - they're outdated characters with zero relevance

>Add:
>Rhythm Heaven character
>K Rool

What kind of mental gymnastics do you use to rationalize this? Also what would a Rhythm Heaven character be doing in smash? That's just dumb, we don't need anymore villager type characters.

I want tons of cosmetics for characters that can be purchased with coins. You end up with millions of those fuckers and there's nothing to use them for.

Stuff like alternate skins, new taunts, etc.

>>381521029
>Furfag bait
One of the favorite characters in one of the most popular Nintendo games
>Weeb garbage
Protagonist of one of the best Wii games, a game with a 3DS port and a sequel

>>381521927
Nintendo franchises*

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Come on, Sakurai!
Make it happen!

>>381504150
Disgusting.

>>381491714
Subspace needs to get-away back

>>381517168
>Bring back Wolf
I never got why people want him back.
Do we really need 3 versions of the same fucking character.

If this is true, I dont expect hear anything about it for like 3 years, so there is no hurry on thinking on your party fighting game, you have ARMS for now.

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I unironically want my little joke character back. He's fun and cute

>>381522612
works for Marth

>>381520361
>They're outdated characters with zero relevance
>K Rool
>Rhythm Heaven

>>381522716
Hey.
Roy has a different enough moveset not to be called a clone.
But yeah I'm not fond of the multiple marths.

>>381520361
>Shulk
>outdated characters with zero relevance
Go fuck yourself.

>>381491714
>Since it's basically all but confirmed that the next Smash Bros. for Switch is going to be a sequel and not a port
um

in what fucking way is that even remotely true?

>>381519205
Not only is that wrong, we already know they had Ice Climbers working on Wii U and had to cut them because of the 3DS.

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>>381522612
If he was back he and the other Star Fox characters wouldn't be the same character. We can see what Brawl was aiming for with these three (speed, power, air mobility), and maybe this time they wouldn't be sharing the same Landmaster. Either way, people want him back because he's Star Fox's Ridley and K.Rool.

>>381523243
> and maybe this time they wouldn't be sharing the same Landmaster.
Tell that to Falco.

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>>381491714
Can we get an extra button for moves? So far we only have:

Grabs(R)
Normals(A)
Specials(B)

Thats literally it. They're already going in the right direction by adding more inputs for characters like Ryu and Bayo but an extra button for attacks would be nice. Make X or Y do something else other than jumps.

Also after this years E3 made me play SM and Zero Mission for the first time I unironcially want ridley playable. I picked up Samus becuase of it. Just with it didnt use its Other M designs.

More single players content would be nice. Sakura listened to the "fox only final destination" meme and thought it was serious but "omega" stages of all the stages in battle field 3 platform form would be nice

Maybe change the game so every combo doesnt start with fucking grabs? Thats literally all Smash 4's meta is at this point, though footstools are helping flesh out other characters

>>381521029
If that furfag bait and weeb garbage weren't in the roster already, they'd be topping voting lists way above K Rool.

>>381523426
Hey, Bowser Jr. uses his side-b to start combos.
I'm sure there's other examples, but that's the only one that comes to mind.

>>381523426
*Just wish it didnt use her Other M design

>Bundle shitty clones to be Alt characters that share a slot. i.e Pits and Lucina/Marth, Dr.Mario.
>Please no Cloud or Bayo
>Decrease the effectiveness of perfect shielding
>Re-adjust rage
>Add in some fan-favourites that aren't FE characters.
>Maybe a new shillamon like Decidueye.
>Change the final destination version shit into different layouts, like Battlefield with different numbers and arrangements of platforms.
>For the love of god don't add in Cloud or Bayo

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>the next sequel to smash will easily have 70+ playable characters

has a fighting game roster ever been that big?

>>381491714
They could just not release another because the Smash community is a bunch of insufferable backbiting cunts

>>381491714

After the balance nightmare that was Sm4sh, I find it hard to give a shit anymore. They clearly have no idea what they're doing.

>>381523426
I'd enjoy an extra "attack" button.
How would they handle it though? An extra set of tilts+jab or something else like supers?

And yeah, please change Omega stages to atleast have some platforms that are arranged differently or some shit.

>>381491714
Just make every character item and stage twice as big and zoom the camera out to compensate. Then put Ridley in, and he won't be too big.

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>>381491714
Bring back the old Melee style adventure mode, but make it longer. Sort of like a balance between SSE and adventure mode. Focus on using locations and enemies from the respective games.

Increase combo potential and make it less floaty. I'm not a meleefag but Smash should be more offensive than defensive.

Other than that, expand upon custom moves, make more unique moves and make them usable online. Also make all the clones alt costumes (Lucina, Dark Pit, etc) like they should've been.

Also, I know they're going to use BotW's designs but it would make me happy if they used the HW designs instead. At least as alt costumes.

Also add this guy as the new unexpected third party character.

>>381522612
>lol I posted it again!

Someone needs yet another bitchslapping about how different Wolf is from both Fox and Falco.

>but 4 of his moves are kinda similar he's totally uber-mega-cloniest clone to ever clone around!

4 heavily-modified moves out of 27 moves in total.

>>381491714
>ridley posting already
I almost want him in just so you fucks will stop

>>381495275
No it isn't. Sakurai said no. I agree his reasons are retarded and just outright contradict the roster we got, but there it is. Even though it's a noncanon party game where all the characters are toys or trophies. Even though a purple alien pterosaur dragon is going to look weird regardless of if he was tweaked to be playable in Smash. Sadly if they add another Metroid character it'll just be something easy that's only been in one or two games because fuck effort.

If no Ridley I'd at least like a playable Metroid. If Bowser Jr. can more or less be a floating little sphere I don't see why a Metroid couldn't be doable. I still think Ridley deserves it more due to fan demand, but at least a Metroid would be unique and interesting instead of generic mysterious blue space suit who hates Samus because reasons.

>>381491714
Reduce the roster. Cut it down to the original 8, plus a handful of characters from Melee, Brawl, and Sm4sh, while focusing more on upcoming games and new IPs

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>>381523867
I had two ideas in mind

An extra set of specials if they can think of some to implement for every character. If they cant think of enough specials for each character just make it an extra set of jabs and tilts.

If not that make it do a super that forms over time for each character.final smash attacks basically with lots of recovery frames so its high risk/high reward if you land it

>>381524397
Sakurai never said Ridley was a definite "no." He had this to say in Nintendo Power:

>I think that would probably be impossible. [laughs] If we had put our best efforts into it, we may have been able to do it. But he might have been a little slow. Would that have been all right? [laughs]

>>381524278
It's the first time i've posted it though.
I haven't played brawl in years so I don't remember wolf having any difference in his normals and tilts.

Is it a roy situation where his specials are almost exactly the same but his normals and tilts are reasonably different?

We allowed to want Ridley yet or does that still piss everyone off?

>>381524773
I think K. Rool pisses people off more than Ridley nowadays.

>>381524397
The reason, more specifically, was that Sakurai felt that he couldn't do Ridley justice without his size.
>“I definitely know that Ridley’s a much-anticipated name for fans, but if we made Ridley as a fighter, it wouldn’t be Ridley any longer. It’d have to be shrunk down, or its wings reduced in size, or be unable to fly around freely. Providing accurate portrayals of characters is something I want to pay ample attention to. If I don’t stick to that thought, then we’d have to lower the quality or break the balance of the game.”
http://sourcegaming.info/2015/09/23/ridley-in-smash-bros/
Whether or not he's justified is up to you.

>If Bowser Jr. can more or less be a floating little sphere I don't see why a Metroid couldn't be doable.
Said floating sphere can actually use weapons and has done so in canon (namely the boxing gloves) and the thing's nature as a clown car means that it can pull out pretty much anything and be excused. How would a Metroid work?

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>>381524879
>muh smash needs more villain representation

>>381524621
After Smash 4 he said he'd be too vicious a character, be too big, and not be able to fly constantly. Ganondorf straight up murders people, every character is a toy and it's a noncanon party game so size doesn't matter, and many characters on the roster can fly but obviously don't in Smash mechanically.

Why is it so hard to take the Melee intro Ridley, give it better textures, a unique moveset, and call it a day?

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>>381491714
All I want is for Ridleyfags to be blown out again.

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>Ridley finally gets in for Smash 5
>its his other M design

>>381524925
>Providing accurate portrayals of characters is something I want to pay ample attention to.
>Wario has almost no moves from his actual games
>Captain Falcon is entirely made up
>Ness and Lucas uses PSI that aren't theirs
>Ganondorf is evil Captain Falcon
What did Sakurai mean by this?

>>381524936
No? I just want Ridley, man. I adore Metroid, don't care if his size and proportions are tweaked, I just want him playable. Though I do think with how requested and discussed both Ridley and K. Rool are that they should get in.

>>381524925
He can still be large. Bowser size or a bit bigger. Make him walk on all fours like at the end of Prime 1. He'd be a wide target so easy to hit, so there's his downside. You work from there and balance him accordingly.

Metroid could function sort of like the Clown car, only it'd morph into various different Metroid stages of growth with Queen Metroid or Prime as final Smash.

>>381525103
Everyone expects and knows that'd happen. You'd get a far bigger reaction from people if he did get in, but again it's just not happening.

>>381524498
Why 8 characters? We just need Fox and Falco

>>381525487
Morph into various stages of growth for its attacks I meant.

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>they add a new Metroid rep
>it's this guy
How would you react

>>381491714
They'll probably add Goku

>>381524632
The only moves Wolf shares with Fox is his B moves and Final Smash, and even those are heavily modified with different properties, distances, strengths (Wolf Blaster has a bayonet on it for melee damage and hits hard up close but gets weaker with distance, Wolf Illusion goes diagonally up and has a meteor smash at the end, Jet Kick grabs enemies and pulls them along for multiple hits with a big kick at the end with good knockback, and Reflector sends projectiles back twice as fast while giving Wolf invincibility frames and acting as a weak counterattack in the first few frames, Landmaster has Falco's mobility and more power than Fox's but lasts only 2/3 as long). All of Wolf's A moves, throws, and other attacks are his own.

>>381525286
I think he meant personality-wise and not necessarily movesetwise. Gannondorf got tweaked animations and a few different effects so that he's more in-character (there's also his portrayal in Subspace, which shows they aren't entirely ignorant of what he's like) or you can just go "LOL CLONE".
Wario is actually portrayed pretty differently between the US and Japan, where he's more quirky (even before Warioware, Wario was pretty much a slapstick character in the Wario Land series)
Ness & Lucas actually had their PSI usage handwaved in the Brawl trophies (or at least Star Storm did) and the overall pull of their series is still there.
Presumably, whatever Sakurai sees in Ridley can't be compromised as easily.

>>381525487
>>381525651
Your idea for Ridley could probably work, but there are a few more things to consider for the Metroid: The clown car's usually hovering a few centimeters off the ground and is actually sitting on the ground when Junior is idle. Metroids usually float and generally float around freely.
Also, is there a precedent for the Metroid morphing as you described? The reason the clown car gets away with it's attacks is because, again, it's a clown car, and the idea of it having more space than it looks and it having attachments has been used in several of it's appearances. Really, the only thing needed was to come up for ideas for attachments and make it so that the attachments come out of panels instead of just appearing on the car (like Junior's boxing gloves in NSMBU).

>>381525984
Then I'm all for it.
I just hate clones with some slight variance that comes down to framedata and numbers.
It's lazy as shit.

Step 1:) Remake Melee.

Step 2:) Profit.

They need to implement a way to make Smash 5 an HD Melee. Brawl and Smash4 are laughably bad and utter failures in absolutely every way to the fighting game community.

>>381523709
The largest known fighting game roster is Tobal 2's, which has 200 characters. The only game that comes close DB Budokai Tenkaichi 3 with 161.

>>381491714
>Since it's basically all but confirmed that the next Smash Bros. for Switch is going to be a sequel and not a port
What confirmed this?

>what are you hoping Nintendo will implement/change to "reinvent the wheel" for this franchise like they did with Zelda: Breath of the Wild, Mario Kart 8, and Mario Odyssey?
I'd like supers to become part of the competitive meta. If not Final Smashes but reworked to be less random, then some kind of new mechanic, like Little Mac's K.O. Punch and Cloud's Limit Breaks.

>>381525487
>>381525651
Wouldn't make sense to have a Metroid evolve into its next stage and then randomly revert back to its larval stage. Even if Smash is non-canon it would just be weird.

There's other Metroid characters they could use. They could always use Sylux since he's gonna have a big role in MP4.

>>381526272
Well Metroids do sort of morph when they change stages. It'd be more like a Metroid (the creatures) representation than trying to just take one from the games. Think of the transformations Corrin uses when attacking. Something like that.

Instead of trying to recreate a character 100%, go for representing said character. Which honestly is what a lot of characters do anyway, like Duck Hunt.

>>381504150
Not bad, for the most part.

>>381491714
there will never be a smash5.

they won't make the game without sakurai, and sakurai himself said the game's roster had gotten way too big to keep making these. they had the whole fucking ballot and everything which honestly felt like they wanted to close out the series with a couple "fan demand" characters, mewtwo cloud and bayonetta

they had heavy assistance from namco making smash4. in fact namco did most of the heavy lifting. that arrangement with namco is dissolved, sakurai announced pretty clear cut that they could just barely hold so many devs together to crank out the extra unplanned DLC and had their contracts extended. then after the final patch they were disbanded and all went back to separate companies.

sakurai's gone back to kirby and likely will do another kid icarus or something in 2018. namco is working on DBZF and Tekken.

there will not be a smash5. if they make an announcement it won't be anything more than Smash4 Deluxe with DLC and all the stupid mii shit.

>>381526617
>What confirmed this?
Nintendo said they don't want straight Wii U ports for one thing.

>>381525487
>He can still be large. Bowser size or a bit bigger. Make him walk on all fours like at the end of Prime 1. He'd be a wide target so easy to hit, so there's his downside. You work from there and balance him accordingly.
I DON'T GET WHY THIS IS APPARENTLY SO HARD HOLY FUCK

>>381526617
>>I'd like supers to become part of the competitive meta. If not Final Smashes but reworked to be less random, then some kind of new mechanic, like Little Mac's K.O. Punch and Cloud's Limit Breaks.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who wants this. It would make Final Smashes more earned and less random. Plus you could always keep Smash Balls around as an "party" item that fills the meter instantly but can be turned off with the item switch as usual.

>>381525487
>>381526719
>>381526272
How about having one of its evolved forms playable, like the Zeta Metroid? Arms and legs, spits acid.

>>381526717
>be weird
Indeed. Let me fight a duck riding a dog with a boxer, a plumber, and a psychic cat. A Metroid trying to showcase Metroids as a whole would just be over the line.

>>381526719
Ah, okay then. I still feel it'd be an unorthodox choice but I can understand where you're coming from.

>>381526891
This could probably work as well, but I'm not super into Metroid so I dunno.

>>381526796
>sakurai's gone back to kirby
You idiot. You goddamn fucking idiot. Sakurai hasn't worked on Kirby in 14 years. You don't know this fact and you think you know anything about Sakurai?

>>381495292
that was the same thing with the mario kart series.

but we have deluxe now.

>>381526831
>Nintendo said they don't want straight Wii U ports for one thing.
>for one thing
What the hell does that mean? Also, that doesn't 100% discount a Switch port.

>>381526867
Right? Final Smashes could be kept for more casual, party type of gameplay, whereas the new supers might be for more competitive gameplay. I also think it'd be great if every character gained access to their super through unique means, instead of the typical 'dealing and taking damage gives you meter'.

>>381527079
>Also, that doesn't 100% discount a Switch port.
It kinda does, actually. If Smash Deluxe would have happened they would have announced it at E3 but they didn't.

>>381526865
I don't get it either. He'd be quite unorthodox but Smash is one of those games where that's the main draw. Give him maybe two double jumps similar to Charizard. Make him light with reach or heavy with vicious close range attacks. His big hurtbox is already a decent hindrance.

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Hope he makes it in. We need more F-Zero reps. Also Crono, Bomberman and Goemon

Do you want Sidon or Girahim?

>>381527340
>It kinda does, actually. If Smash Deluxe would have happened they would have announced it at E3 but they didn't.
We don't know that. For all we know, they're doing something different than just making a straight port, like some kind of Remastered Smash 4 or something.

>>381527350
Exactly. His big size could be his gimmick. He could be an interesting sort of power character who was also fairly mobile, with some projectiles, but able to be K.O.'d sooner due to his light size. Or he could be a heavy character with a lot of aerial mobility.

>>381527375
If we ever get another F-Zero rep, it really should be Black Shadow or Jody Summers.

>>381504150
>geno
not happening

>waluigi
possible

>literally who next to waluigi
nope

>Dixie
Has a strong chance

>K rool
Highly doubt it. Nope. Hasn't been relevant in too long. missed his chance.

>warriors zelda characters
we'll get botw at most if they finally wanna update the characters, impa is a maybe, the last 3 very unlikely (Majora's probably most likely)

>Ridley
LOL

>Sylux
One of many hunters from that one ds game, nope

>Lyn
Potential since one of the most popular FE chars

>Squirtle/ivy again
nope

>Grass starter
Nah, we might get the owl though even if it is already getting in Pokken

>Slippy
I can dream but not likely

>wolf
safe boring pick that's likely to happen

>mother characters
>

>F zero characters
>

>ARMS characters
definitely happening

>ice climbers
yeah, they already started making them anyways, so a lot of it is already done probably.

>takumeme
no

>squid girl/boy
100%

>isaac
nope, kingdom hearts tier

>obscure game
nope

>indie shit
nop

>crash
could happen to be honest since it's not tied to sony

>banjo
it's dead unless microsoft is really that desperate and are rebooting anytime soon

>bomberman
YES

>rayman
high potential

>black mage
would be cool but nope

>more indie shit
>>>

>>381527548
>We don't know that.
Then why didn't they announce it at E3?

>>381527520
>do I want fag or faggier
Neither, gimme Impa.

>>381527724
You forgot
Goku
>YES

>>381527806
>Then why didn't they announce it at E3?
Could be waiting to reveal it in a Nintendo Direct.

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>>381491714
I just really hope they keep Pac Man in the game.
I only recently played Pac Man World 2 and I got a newfound appreciation for the character. PMW2 is genuinely one of the best video games I have ever played in my life. What's more, /v/ doesn't seem to know that it's an excellent game, one of Gamecube's best ever.

Pac Man seems like a character that would get cut in a sequel so I really hoping he can stay.

>>381521438
>we don't need anymore villager type characters
Two Words, Karate Joe

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>>381527917
Nintendo wants to create new IP and new games. A smash port goes against everything they've done for the Switch so far.

>People are ACTUALLY speculating on who's gonna be on the Mario vs Fire Emblem 5 roster.

You're just waiting to be BTFO when your obscure character doesn't get in?

>>381528020
What about MK8 deluxe?

>>381528194
Bigger system seller, not a straight port, was released early.

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>>381527974
Fine taste my friend.
I think it'll come down to licensing and what-not, but I can't see them willingly cut Pac-Man because, well, it's Pac-Man.

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>>381525487
>He can still be large. Bowser size or a bit bigger. Make him walk on all fours like at the end of Prime 1. He'd be a wide target so easy to hit, so there's his downside. You work from there and balance him accordingly.
This is literally the Ridley mod for Project M.

Smash bros doesn't need fixing it needs content.

All past maps, all past characters, all possible items. Give us full control over all of that shit, and give us all the old game modes and challenge modes and the like. Smash4 single player was dull as balls.

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>>381526617
Reggie said that want every one of their franchises to have a new experience on the Switch, including Smash. Of course, that doesn't discount a port, but it implies a sequel at some point.

How to fix the Fire Emblem roster:

- Remove Corrin and make Lucina into a Marth alt skin

- Rework Roy to have a more original move set.

- Add Hector and Ephraim since they use don't use swords and have potential for an original move set.

>>381528497
It's not like they couldn't port it and then make a true sequel a few years from now.

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>>381528683
It's not happening

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Guaranteed:
New Mario rep
New Pokemon rep
New Fire Emblem rep
Splatoon rep
Likely:
New Zelda rep (Sakurai loved BotW)
New Xenoblade rep
Arms rep
Not likely:
Goku
Whispy Woods
Ridley

>>381528978
Who's most likely to get in, Ridley, Shrek, or the Wii Remote safety guy?

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>TFW there will be more Fire Emblem characters who probably use swords.

I really hope the next FE game has a spear-using protagonist. A spear and shield would be even better.

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I just want to see canines act cute. :3c

>>381529150
They better not. Lucina needs to be removed and Roy needs to be reworked. They should add another magic user with an original move set like Robin

>>381525770
As long as they remove ZSS I'm fine.

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>>381528487
Die you degenerate Barneyfag
https://derpibooru.org/1214891

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>dont add ridley because of huge floppy wings and tail flopping around
>add fire emblem character that turns into dragon with huge floppy wings and tail flopping around

>>381528425
looks horrible

Springman and linkling characters + all the dlc. That's all I want

>>381529760
Looks fine to me.

>>381529290
My dream scenario is that FE Switch has a either a Greek/Roman or Vikings aesthetic as opposed to Medieval European Fantasy. It would also give them a perfect excuse to not have a protagonist with a sword as their primary weapon.

I feel a change in look/setting for Fire Emblem would help it a lot from going stale.

>>381520361
I can't tell if this is bait, but if it isn't, please never share your opinion with anyone ever again.

>>381527902
but I did actually and unironically vote for OG dragon ball goku with his staff.

>>381528425
nice Shrimpley mod

>>381491714
Bring back good movement and mechanics. They don't have to copy melee but it needs to be similar at least.

Also inb4 its more fair with advanced tech removed I guarantee if someone who has played for 2 years plays someone who has played for 2 weeks the person with more experience will win irregardless of how much advanced tech is in the game.
Removing it just takes away from the games depth.

https://youtu.be/5UGgSYiG9Z4
>2big

>>381495275
Anyone have that Ridleyfag video with tidus laughin? God I miss that.

>>381528487
fucking die

>>381497191
>>keep smash run
This, and make an option where you can have 1, 3, or 5 events after the Run.

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>>381521029
>>Putting in a character that should have won the voting.
Reminder that Shrek actually won that poll.

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>>381521296
>>Marina Liteyears because fuck you she deserves it
My brother.

>>381527902
After getting Cloud, I wouldn't bat an eye if Goku showed up.

>>381529037
Always bet on reckless wiimote swinging silhouette guy

>>381529760
It's a Wii game

>>381491714 marvel style character switch-in

>no matter how many times you explain to people that smash doesn't really have clones anymore, they still bring then up and bitch about them in every single fucking thread.

Lucina, Dark Pit and Doctor Mario took basically no time and resources to make. Every cutting out both of them wouldn't have freed up enough devtime for a single actual newcomer. You guys just want them removed for no reason, them getting in didn't cause anything else to not get in.

Roy, Luigi, and Lucas all have a fucking ton of different moves than Marth, Mario and Ness and for the most part play very differently. They aren't clones in any way.

It makes perfect since for Link and Toon Link to have similar kits. I feel like both characters deserve to be in the game, but at the same time it wouldn't really be Link without bombs, boomerang, hookshot, and bow. How would you change the Links to give them entirely unique movesets? I know Link has a billion different tools and items, but it makes sense for him to always have bombs, bow, and boomerangs, those are the basic essentials he always has. The best way to really differentiate the Links would be through Custom Moves allowing him to use unique shit like the gliding leaf from windwaker, the megaton hammer, the Pegasus boots, etc. Links should have all different customs like Palutena and MegaMan.

Legit the only actual, legitimate clone people should be bitching about is Ganondorf. Not because he is exactly the same as Falcon, he isn't. He plays very differently, has a unique jab, unique tilts, and his side B is unique, but because he legitimately isn't an accurate representation of who Ganondorf is in any appearance he has ever had that I'm aware of.

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>Ridleyfags still exist
Fuck off, you guys ruined the last two games' threads.

>>381535783
Ganondorf needs a melee weapon, he should hover like Mewtwo or Palutena, and needs to incorporate energy ball tennis as a move.

>>381498594

I see a lot of people complaining about momentum in the game but how else would you have characters have different values for air and ground speed?

For example wario, Yoshi, and Jigglypuff are three of the fastest characters in the game in the air while on the ground obviously it's Sonic, Falcon, and I'm assuming Fox or Greninja third.

If you want characters to have a uniform speed both on the ground and in the air then you're going to absolutely fuck the balance of this game to high hell and back. Not to mention you'd force heavies to be shitty and boring again, the way smash 4 works allows characters like Bowser and Charizard to actually move pretty damn fast on the ground. Your way would either make Bowser super quick in general or absolutely cuck his ground speed into the dumpster again.

Also, there's legitimately no way to justify making Jigglypuff as slow in the air as she is on the ground. She already fucking sucks more than everyone else in the game even with the best aerial mobility.

>>381535952
I'd like them to keep current ganondorf but add toon or pig ganon to do new stuff with

>>381536270
They can keep Ganondorf moveset in the form of Black Shadow

>>381502687
I think he's talking about grab armor

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>>381491714
I want them to add anyone but Ridley. The Ridleyfags actively make me want them to not add the character ever.

>>381536759
This is the best solution I think

>>381504150
>no snake

>>381537542
>no metal gear in switch

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>Add
Ashley, Travis Touchdown, Inkling, Spring Man, Bomberman, Decidueye, Sylux, Black Shadow, Karate Man, Jibanyan, Snake, Ice Climbers and Wolf

>Character Revamps
Give Ganondorf an original moveset and pass his Falcondorf moveset and playstyle onto Black Shadow so people who like Falcondorf can still have the moveset available to them.

Make Wario closer represent the Wario Land games by giving him his shoulder charge, Wario World-themed throws and a new run cycle closer to Wario Land Shake-It.

Make Dark Pit, Lucina and Dr. Mario alternate costumes for their respective characters but keep their movesets and stat differences. Sort of like the Premier skins in Injustice 2.

>Remove
No one because we should be expanding the roster not cutting it down

>>381491714
I'd like it to be fun-oriented and a love-letter to all their franchises like Brawl was with tons of cameos, throwbacks to earlier games, great OST, etc. And most of all I'd like a Subspace Emissary-like story mode with even more bosses.

>>381497191
>re-design ganon
I agree and disagree. I like how strong he is and that he is on the slow side, but all his B attacks should be different. Why isn't he using his sword anyways?