Fuck Creative Assembly

>>381480053
>complaining about 170$ when fucking train simulator costs thousands of dollars

You can pirate it now anyway.

>>381481391
>train simulator

>>381480053
Why do you need everything unlocked?

>>381481808
They're factions.

Imagine buying WC3 in 2002 and getting the Orcs & Human races but then having to spend $20 each to unlock the Undead and Night Elves.

Same concept.

>>381480053
from what I've seen the majority of people eat this shit up and even go as far as defending it everywhere

there really are no words to fully describe my disgust at this

>>381482208
Your analogy is wrong.
Imagine buying WC3 and getting Orcs, humans, NElves, and Undead then being able to pay more for the burning legion and naga as full playable races with their own campaigns.

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>>381480053
>he doesn't have a beta /v/irgin steam friend buying him all the total war dlc
I pity you.

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>>381481391
Man, that game is an industry accepted sim. You can play it and get a certificate for simulated training. I don't think Emperor Trump is going to make you a general in his glorious army if you play TW:Warhammer.

In any case, just because one thing is worse doesn't mean OP's complaint is invalid. That'd be like

>complaining your kid died when thousands of kids die of starvation in africa everyday

You see how ridiculous that is?

>>381480053
Pic fucking related, you fool.

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>>381480053
>>381482508

>>381482547
Yeah because Chaos and Wood Elves should be behind a paywall....

The analogy works.

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>>381482732
Oh shit.

>>381482870
Chaos not being part of the base game is bullshit but welves weren't part of the base game

I really don't understand what it is with TW: warhammer that actually entices people to defend this DLC policy

I don't know any other game with this much of a rabid defense force when it comes to DLC

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>>381483295

Whatever. The game is fantastic and they know it.

>>381483480

>Children

it's summer everyone

>>381483295
What's wrong with their DLC "policy"?

>>381483657

A better question would be, "What's not wrong with their DLC policy?"

>>381480053
>expansion
Standalone game with the same amount of content

>which is really just an expansion
It's not, though. Just because you have the option to combine the games doesn't make the 2nd game "just an expansion".
You can buy it and play it as a standalone and it'll provide an equal amount of content to the first game.

Also: you're not forced to buy all the content, retard. The factions get added to your Campaign even if you haven't bought them, buying only gives you the ability to play them. If you genuinely believe that the base game + all the FLC doesn't provide a shitload of content on their own - you're completely delusional.

>>381483295
It's a counter reaction to people crying about Total War DLC for years and years.

>>381480053

i'm gonna play it without paying any money at all, op

>>381483295
its good ass dlc and you can just not buy it. its literal additional content. its not some on the disc pay to unlock shit, its brand new stuff that came out months to almost a full year later. just straight up additional new bonus content that was not promised or cut out or anyhting like htat. what is there to complain about.

Literally just whining that you're a poorfag. By the dlc price standards 4 new races would be more than 60$ alone but you're getting way more than that out of game 2 so really, what are you complaining about other than being unemployed

>>381483727
No,i'd rather have an answer than a question

>>381483845
>>381483657
>>381483761
>>381483628

Creative Assembly plz go


The reviews on Steam for your DLC says it all.

reminder that /v/ is full of literal paid shills

>>381484050
>get btfo
>c-creative assembly pls go

>>381483295
Because the amount itself, doesn't make the DLC jewish. Apart from Blood DLC which admittedly is a scummy move, all the DLC are robust content additions with a shitload of effort put into them, unlike something like PayDay 2 in which you mostly pay for copy/pasted guns and masks as well as a couple of new maps.

>>381480053
>which is really just an expansion
And who are you to say this? It launches with the same amount of content as the first game did.

Is Rome 2 worth it now? I'm not interested in faction DLC even if it's bullshit that greeks aren't vanilla

>>381483845
>can play it as stand alone
>what is a standalone expansion

you probably weren't even born when games actually got expansion packs you fucking imbecile retard

>you're not forced to buy it!
holy fuck is there a weaker excuse for turbo jewish practices?

>>381484238
Attila is better in every way except setting

>>381484275
name one rts expansion that added this much content

>>381484275
Except those standalone expansions were just rehashes of the base game commie

>>381480053
>Charge $20 for Wood Elves
>Charge $20 for Beastmen
>Charge $10 for Chaos

I have no idea how people can be this salty about DLC you don't have to buy.

Yeah, these things either cost that much or they just don't exist.

It's not like you shitposters ever provide some breakdown of your costings for how all this shit is meant to just be in the base game at the start somehow

>>381484108
*tips*

>>381484275
Are you actually this dense or merely an underage shitposter?

The games have the same amount of content, disphit. The only reason anyone refers to it as an expansion is because they can combine into one game.

>>381480053
then pirate it you fucking faggot

>>381484007
>its brand new stuff that came out months to almost a full year later.

lolno.

The game turned 1 year old in May of this year.
The DLC literally all came out within the first 6 months of #1's release.

You're telling me the devs couldn't delay the game for 6 months to include, without a doubt, content that they were developing along side the """base""" game?

Fuck off shill.

#2 is coming out only a year and 4 months after the first.


Literal. Fucking. Jewery.

>>381484007
>by the DLC price standards

could you be more brainwashed? they really have trained you well, good goy

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is Vanilla Total Warhammer worth it

>>381484989
Depends. If you can get it on sale - definitely.

>>381484989
Only if playing as
>Orks
>Dwarves
>Vampires
&
>Humans
interest you, meanwhile not playing as

>Wood Elves
>Chaos
>Beastmen

>>381485058
>Humans
Brettonia and Empire are vastly different factions, anon.

>>381485042
it's on sale

>>381480053
>it's not even 20$
>it's literally a whole entire race with dozens of new models and hundreds of new animations
>there's a even a small race-based additional campaign

You're the Jew anon

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Between this and Paradox, something very bad has happened in the grand strategy genre.

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>>381485263
DOZENS of models!

>>381485313
TW isn't grand strategy.

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it's on sale so is it worth it or not

I think the imperials and dwarves look most interesting

>>381485418
call it what you will, but you know what I meant

Wood Elves, Beastmen, and Chaos are only the beginning.

You also have to pay for the following factions if you want to play as them:

>Goblins
>Another Dwarf faction

At least they give the second Human faction for free.

>>381485313
For a little over a dozen dollars

>>381485423
fuck off back to your containment threads

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>>381485423
Yes

What's with all the DLC apologizes ITT? Have we been collectively fucked in the ass for so long some of us have genuinely begun enjoying it?

>>381485392
You clearly have no idea how much time it takes and money it costs to model and texture dozens of high poly hd characters, including giant monstrous ones AND making new animations for them.

The production value of the new race DLC is great and the only reason they've able to make them in the first place is because of the huge success of the game.

>>381485597

It's just Summer.

>>381485614
Are you copy-pasting from a CA marketing department memo?

>>381485475
And the second vampire faction

>>381485597
>retarded statement about how the DLC should cost 0.02 each or whatever
>can you explain the reasoning behind why you said this?
>'shill'

These threads in a nutshell

>>381485614

Seriously, Creative Assembly. Please go.

>>381485475
they've only given brettonia for free so that these shilling-for-free-tards can live in the delusion that CA isn't completely ripping them off

50 dollars for 3 DLC races
have to pay money for some blood effects
>BUT WE LET YOU USE IT IN THE EXPANSION PACK AS WELL! AREN'T WE GENEROUS?

it's really just ridiculous to see anyone actually defending this shit while bullshit like evolve rightfully got shat into oblivion

>>381485673
No I'm just not a completely clueless neet who yells JEW JEW JEW when he sees something he doesn't understand.

>>381485772

I don't think anyone ITT has asked for the DLC to cost 0.02.

They want it to cost nothing.

>>381485808
see>>381482732

>>381485808
>paying for blood effects


Are you fucking kidding me? I was on the fence before, but that just seems like an absolute Jew move.

>>381484989
Yes, although maybe not at $60-$80 regional fat kike steam price.

>>381485808
>it's really just ridiculous to see anyone actually defending this shit while bullshit like evolve rightfully got shat into oblivion

I get hundreds of hours out of these games. Who the fuck played evolve for more than 20 minutes

>>381484834
brettonia came out for free near the 1 year mark and is probably the best addition to the game yet

complaining they didnt delay the game 6 fucking months to deliver stuff when they said exactly what the base game was going to be long before. How would you ever justify anything at that point. Why make a sequel, why the fuck didn't they just delay the game a year? Why is there a total war franchise? Why didn't those fucking kikes just delay it for 2 decades and make a mega campaign that last 5000 turns throughout history?

>>381484874
theres no metric to go by here. the campaign packs are 20 bucks, thats all there is to it. Theres no precedent that they are marking up from or anything. They set the price of their own shit. Calling game 2 more jewish than anything else is stupid. By their own precedent game 2 is value. These arej ust hard facts

this board is 18+ only by the way, unless you're some kind of millenial shithead who is a neet in adulthood crying about how unfair money is

>>381485808
>I HAVE TO HAVE EVERYTHING IN MY VIDEOGAME BUT I WON'T PAY FOR IT
Either pirate games or get a job you pathetic fucking neet.

>>381486004
It's bullshit done for a pg-rating.Atleast it adds gore and dismemberment

>>381480053
>buying games
They expect people to pay $170 because the people are ready to pay it. Let the retards be retards, they fund your piracy.
Now if only I could pirate board games as easily.

speaking of this is there any chance the dlc will get any cheaper than it is now on steam?

>>381486224
Yes, it goes on sale regularly.

>>381486269
It's on sale now

>>381480053
Can preorder the expansion now (+ norsca DLC) for less than 40 pounds.
What's your excuse?

I know it's a bit off-topic but i'm getting Attila TW and seriously doubting between Napoleon/Empire in the Steam sale. Can anyone tell me which of the two is better? It seems Napoleon only has a couple of playable factions so I would count that as a disadvantage either way.

>>381486224
It's usually $19 and right now you can get it for a thrifty $13.50! :)

>>381486004
>being this much of a newfag

Plenty of stores don't accept to put 18+ games on their shelves so games have to censor themselves and then release a 2 bucks dlc for blood and gore, blame the retarded policies of the stores and the rating systems

>>381486382
Napoleon is better.

>>381486428
yeah for some reason my instincts are telling me that Creative Assembly doesn't sell the majority of their games through big box stores.

>>381486224
>>381486323
Yeah, just checked. 33% off seems decent, it'll probably go 50%+ off in a year or so, if you're willing to wait that long.

>>381486435
Could you tell me why? I've played a bit of Empire. Just some points maybe.

>>381485808
>defending this shit
What shit? What's your solution poorfag, gibsmedats?

>>381486041
I get hundreds of hours out of games that don't have super jewish DLC

>>381485963
>>381486107
nobody ever said anything about wanting this shit to be free but you stupid shills need to pull the strawman card because you have no arguments, really nice

>>381483295

They are already used to defending Games Workshop's cash-grabs, what's another DLC faction?

>>381486507
Maybe they do maybe they don't, either way that's Sega's decision.

>>381486382
They are kind of the same game.
Napoleon is simply a polished version of Empire. therefore, is the superior experience
BUT
Empire has the whole world (Europe, America, Asia) while Napoleon only has Europe.
Napoleon also has more interesting/unique generals, but at the same time, is a bit boring cause they are fucking immortal and always the same.

It depends, anon. I have both, they make a humble bundle for CA games every year, and I prefer Empire, but I recognize that Napoleon is how Empire should be.

Is the same with Rome and Attila.
You might like Rome more, but Attila is a better version of the same game.

>>381486594
Nobody ever suggested a lower price is better either

>>381486342
Where? it's full price on steam and I don't see any dlc

>>381486725
Attila will get mods for Middle Ages and Antiquity though

>>381485772
• Preferably, DLC should not exist at all. Either go full out with a real expansion pack or just bundle it up with the base game. Companies working on DLC before the game itself is even golden is a very known and common practice and should be condemned at every opportunity.
• If DLC is inevitable, it should cost according to the benefit to the player, so that a mostly cosmetic DLC should under no circumstance cost as much as 2-3 full indie games. As a rule of thumb, 1 hour of gameplay value = 1$.
• At the very least DLC mustn't be essential. A player should never feel he's playing a crippled and incomplete version of the game after paying the full retail price for it.

And, most importantly:
• By common fucking sense, the total price of all DLC should never approach (or EXCEED) the price of the base game, and should never, EVER, reach into the triple-digits.


The only company in recent memory that does DLC right (besides just not making it in the first place) is Bohemia Interactive.

>>381486789
It's 20% off on Bundlestars

>>381486789
GamesPlanet, for example. Official key seller.
>>381486847
True. But I don't want to anger Romefags.
I'm sure is not THAT bad anymore, but I played it at launch and never again. Never again.

>>381486725
Alright thanks anon. Guess I'm getting Empire then. Attila was a no-brainer since I'll gladly replay Rome TW instead of buying Rome II.

Can someone please explain to me the logic behind DLC apologists?
I can understand the fat neckbeards demanding everything would be free - hey, free shit, I wouldn't say no to that - but why the fuck are some people so ferocious over defending predatory DLC practices? What mental mechanism drives them? Is it just not wanting to feel like they were ripped off after buying a bunch of DLC?

Shogun 2 + the standalone expac is probably the least Jewy Total War game Creative Assembly has released in the last 5 years.

>>381486745
so you just automatically assume people want everything for free?

you'd have to be an actual autist to believe this
a really stupid autist that has to resort to strawman arguments

>>381486875
Nigga why

>>381486875
>Bohemia Interactive.
Is that a fucking joke? $12 for a couple of helicopters is a good price for you? And as of Apex, they break your most important rule of not exceeding the base game price.

>>381486875
I take you're not familiar with a production pipeline

>>381487376
and what, you are?

>>381487120
>I can understand the fat neckbeards demanding everything would be free
its a backlash to how fucking stupid that shit is
Nobody likes 30 dollar rusty ak47 skins but there comes a point where no one can do anything at all without endless bitching and it gets more annoying than the original problem

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>>381486875
>1 hour of gameplay value = 1$.

Boy I can think of a couple of old games that wouldn't fucking reach that fucking standard.

Bet you think old NES games were hard because devs were passionate and not as an excuse to extend playtime to more than 2 hours.

>>381480053
Haha people are retarded why do they defend shit being more expensive? They're literal retards this is hilarious. Like idc cuz I don't play shit pc games like this but seriously? You'll defend dlc? Nigga why don't they just release an expansion pack?

>>381487585
Nice strawman.

>>381487446
Yes. It's very simple. Artists finish their work months before a game is released so they're usually put to work on DLC assets while the programming team and animation team finish the game.

That's why DLCs/expansions/other games are started months before the previous project is even finished.

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>>381487624
>strawman.
Careful there, you might run out of words for the next post.

the game has attracted gw shiteaters who are so used to jewish tricks that $170 to get a full game experience is a godsend

>>381487376
There's literally no excuse for the Chaos being DLC.

Creative Assembly even caved in and offered the faction for FREE a week after the game's launch because of the backlash.

Call of the Beastmen was released literally 2 months after the game released. You're telling me it took them only 2 months to develop this faction/campaign? Bullshit, they could have easily included them into the base, same as Chaos.

>>381487735
>Yes
I demand qualifications.

>>381487134
I don't know, the faction dlc was real

>>381487215
should i assume people want everything for a lower price instead of free?There's no one arguing for lower prices here faggot

>>381481391
That's a little different. Train Simulator is made for hardcore train sim fans and you don't need ALL the content. They offer a plethora but you are expected to pick and choose any DLC.

CA on the other hand likes to charge for shit like fucking blood in their wargames. Fuck that Jewish company. Warhammer's campaign mechanics is the same daft shit from Rome II, I fucking hate these new TW games.

Rome 1 forever and always.

>>381487120

In /twg/ atleast, its mostly /tg/ fags who never had problems paying 2 grand for table top models. 20$ for DLCs is nothing compared to that

Most of the complaints about DLC practices stem from a need to own a "complete" version of the game.
I could've gone without the Wood elves DLC but i bought it because I enjoyed the game, I could spare to lose the money if I didn't enjoy it.
You're told what you get if you want the DLC, you're not shoehorned into buying it. A majority of salt about DLC is from poorfag completionists, sort your life out and you too can own things. Warhammer is obviously the biggest undertaking in a total war game ever, it's going to cost a fuckload for the complete game. If the options are between them not releasing DLC and that content not existing I will take the DLC everytime.

>>381487815
>no excuse
Money

>>381487837
They're in my ass, you're going to have to reach deep inside.

>>381486160
>It's bullshit done for a pg-rating.
Then make it free.

Fuck you, shill.

>>381488049
>my ass
so you're basically talking out of it, too?

>>381482208
And they're all garbo factions with the exception of Wood Elves. Chaos: horde trash. Beastmen: horde trash. Angrund: shitty gimped Dwarves. Crooked Moon: shitty, gimped Goblins.

>>381487853
if you weren't an autist then yes
if you weren't a retard then you wouldn't assume anything

besides nobody was arguing for free games either

>>381488071
That would raise the rating according to them

And fuck you too commie

>>381488292
>I'm a commie because I won't pay extra for bullshit that should be in the game
ok

>>381484989
Yeah, but Wood Elves are great. They're the only DLC worth it. Just use mods if you want more factions.

>>381488096
Or you could just stop being a retard and google it if you willingly refuse to accept my explanation of a well known process discussed openely in many medias by many devs

>>381480053
The bigger problem is that the Total Warhammer campaign map gameplay is ridiculously simplified and boring.

>>381483295
Oh man you should see the Paradox cum dumpsters

I got this game for $12 on Humble Bundle and I still feel like I paid too much.

>>381488163
Wow. What a pleb. The beastmen grand campaign is probably the best out there.

>>381480053
Welcome friend to the world of any strategy game. Stardock tried that with a 'casual' and 'hardcore' version of Ashes of the Singularity. Paradox does it to all their mainline games and attempts to do so with their third party published games. Everything is attempting to be huge.

>>381482208
>They're factions.
>Imagine buying WC3 in 2002 and getting the Orcs & Human races but then having to spend $20 each to unlock the Undead and Night Elves.
>Same concept

Imagine Starcraft, except each campaign is sold as a separate game.

>>381488587
Paradox does free updates with every DLC though. So in a way you are getting new content or mechanics even if you don't buy the DLCs.

Though I will admit if you were to try to buy all the CK2 DLC it would hurt. I would recommend against that; in the case of Paradox get the base game and then if you're hooked carefully choose DLC based on ratings. Some should be avoided, some are must-have.

>>381488636
Fuuck, how'd I miss that bundle?

>>381488490
so now you're deferring to the word of the google god?
Admit you're talking out of your ass (or, at best, are parroting some YouTube know-it-all or other) and DLC is a huge piece of Jewish shit shat out by publishers with net profits in the 100's of thousands of $

>>381488247
i should assume people want lower prices but i shouldn't assume anything?
God damn you are just a retarded autistic slinging buzzwords and arguing against common knowledge

>>381483295
It's Warhammer, GW has already trained them to be obedient goyim.

>>381488830
CA also does free content updates. And let's not kid ourselves, base CKII even with content updates is a neutered mess.

>>381488674
Horde factions are fucking boring. These games don't function if you feel like you're never making real progress (by taking cities).

>>381484275
>brood war is a new campaign and a handful of units here and there
>30$
>frozen throne is a new campaign and a handful of units here and there
>30$
>age of mythology the titans is a new campaign and one new race
>30$
>winter assault is a new campaign and one new race
>30$
>supreme commander forged alliance
>new campaign one new race
>30$
>warhammer has a new campaign and new race for 20$
>FUCKING JEWS!@r)(kR130(t(! AAAAAAAH FUCK CA

Is it just semantics? Are people that simple minded? Is it just the term DLC that is so triggering?

>>381488898
Not sure what you're trying to achieve by simply denying what I said without even fact checking. I mean I clearly gave you a reasonable explanation about how things work so if you're neither willing to accept it or fact check it why are you even wasting your time replying?

You're literally going nowhere with this.

>>381488163
>shitty gimped dwarves and shitty gimped goblins
jesus christ this pleb

>>381488830

Yeah, but Paradox plays with that "we give you free content updates" but some features that could be considered fundamental you only get with the DLCs, i think it´s most flagrant with EUIV which I almost don´t play, but CK2 is also guilty of this.

Anyways, fuck them, i own the base games but pirate every dlc.

>>381489074
>And let's not kid ourselves, base CKII even with content updates is a neutered mess.

>Some should be avoided, some are must-have.

Right now you could probably get the game and essential DLC for $30, $40 tops.

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>>381480053
Who fucking cares as long as the game's good

>>381489118
I poop on ur arbitrary definitions of progress

>>381489216
On top of that it costs much more money to produce assets for games now than 15 years ago

>>381489291
The burden of proof lies on the maker of the claim.

>>381480053
Lets face it, its niche. Its a triple A game that you can only play on PC. High budget with comparatively low sales to multi-platform games.
And to be fair, I didn't buy a single piece of DLC, the base game is plenty sufficient for the cost imo. This game has more variation in each faction than the previous titles.

My only real complaint is the specialty unit DLC, which is in the campaign even if you dont buy the DLC, so the AI will use those troops against you while they are totally unavailable to you. Pretty shit, but overall the game is good and the pricetag is worth it to me.

>>381486875
I liked your post up until you referenced bohemia, now I'm pretty sure you're just trying to troll me.

>>381489454
And you can get Warhammer for cheaper.

>>381489589

Just get the mod off the workshop that removes regiments of renown, makes everything nice and balanced again

>>381489547
>the burden of proof is on you
>but I don't accept googled proof

Hey, at least you made smile so there's that.

This is your last (You) though, bye.

>>381488830
Nigga what? Have you ever played EUIV without the DLC?

For the Third Rome "experience pack" Siberian frontier is behind a paywall.
For the DLC that adds new missions for light ships, those new types are behind a paywall.
Developing a province is behind a paywall (And Paradox has stated before that they wanted the game to have more building tall by increasing core costs, but how can you build tall if you can't build tall?)

Don't defend Parajew, they're over $200 alone in EUIV and I stopped paying attention to CKII a long time ago. HOI4 got a couple DLCs within the first couple months. Paradox use to be better about having meaningful, worthwhile DLCs, but they've slowly became worse.

>>381483631
lol taking a clip from the simpsons this seriously, boy you sure are buttblasted about all of this.

It's not like this total war is like the previous ones where they just reskinned some models they already had in the games and (if you were lucky) switched up the stats, and slapped some historically accurate name on it.

At least when you buy the DLC factions here they are "unique" factions with uniquely designed units, buildings and playstyle.

Which I mean as far as Total War goes, that's really the meat of the previous games, and sometimes that meat was a bit meager.

But have you considered this; you don't have to buy any of this, you don't have to buy the game, you don't have to buy any of the DLC, you can just ignore it all completely and go on merrily with your life.

>>381489589
RoR had shit implementation even if you own them, way too easy to recruit and cheapen a campaign somewhat. My only real gripe with the game.

>>381488830
All the factions end up in the game as AI factions even if you don't buy the DLC, and they had lords, units etc as freeLC since launch. There is still another one planned leading into Warhammer 2.

I think a problem is the DLC doesn't lose value like other TW games since it will be usable in future Warhammer games. If you bought Beastmen last year, its usable in Warhammer 3 next year. Therefore its likely they don't drop the price of DLC too much since they will get sales regardless.

>>381490465
They need to go back to recruitment pools and do away with building slot limits

>>381484108
This

Attach something lewd to your post to scare away the shills

>>381489216
>Digital Distribution wasn't a thing
>Have to produce CDs, cases, and transport them from the manufacturer to physical stores
>Stores have to have employees to help and check people out

Back then there were more costs beyond man hours put into producing the game and then selling it. While it may only cost $5 to make a game, the store selling your game needs to recoup their losses purchasing it and set their prices. Digital distribution has eliminated that middle man, allowing for publishers and developers to sell directly to you. Perhaps it's fair pricing, perhaps it's not. But at least most of your examples waited about a year before cashing in the expansion. If they're going to say the Steam fee is causing them to increase price, then they can just go ahead and make a SegaStore or something like Blizzard or EA.

I might also throw in that The Frozen Throne strengthened the world editor. Winter Assault added two different, fully fleshed out campaigns. Brood War added one campaign for EACH race as opposed to SC2 where each game was one campaign for a race.

>>381491009
>Digital distribution has eliminated that middle man, allowing for publishers and developers to sell directly to you.

Are you pretending to be retarded or do you not know Steam is the middle man store? They take 30% for themselves

>>381491009
you cant use battle.net store in the same breath as bringing up SC2, clearly a proprietary storefront makes no difference

Digital distribution is a big ass meme. Everyone was hoping the savings would be passed on but they weren't. People were used to prices and lower production/logistics wasn't going to make publishers pass that chance up. Lowered their costs without changing the price is just free profit

>>381491280
As I said, if the Steam fee is causing them to increase their costs beyond what consumers find acceptable, they can develop an alternative to cut down costs towards their consumers and continue to maintain customer loyalty.

EA did it because they said fuck you we want all 60 dollars of our game, if Sega did it and charged $5 less on each DLC half the people complaining would feel more obliged towards the price.

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>>381480053
>sales
>still $40 for DLC alone

>>381490895
I think building limits is fine, and they are increasing it to 8 for capital and 6 for minor settlements. I think things outside of the cities have potential to be used. Like making your own outposts anywhere along a road you want.

I liked having harbors, farms etc outside and viewable in the providence and also be able to be attacked without fucking with the main city.

>>381491009
>Back then there were more costs beyond man hours put into producing the game and then selling it
There are more costs and man hours put into games production now than there was back in the 90s / early 2000's.

Also, if there wasn't some sneaky jewkike monetization scheme going on - Warhammer 2 wouldn't be a thing in the first place. It would've just been Warhammer with dwarfs, humans, orks, vampires and the preorder race - no wood elves, no beastmen, no lizardmen, no dark elves, no high elves, no skaven, no map expansion, no naval battles.

And you know they're going to take this full-circle with the warhammer age of sigmar universe.

Either you think it's cool that they're tying together this huge universe, or you think it's lame and overpriced. Well great news everyone, you can take your money and shove it up your ass instead of throwing it at these kikes.

:^)

>>381489910
Unless you don't own those DLC who add new battlefield units (not blue RoR).
Still unbalanced.

>>381492315
The AI can already raze your unwalled cities and force march out before you can even respond. Letting them do the same to your defenseless infrastructure outside of cities would be hell.

Just pirate it or use CreamAPI to unlock all the DLC if you bought it already.

>>381493035
How is it unbalanced? Which of the units are so gamechanging that it throws the balance of the game out of wack? Because I'm pretty sure the early game dlc units are all easily countered and the AI will rarely manage to even recruit the late game ones.

>>381493345
AI force march bullshit is entire different problem with the game. It should exist in some form for Beastmen just because of how they work, but otherwise its not fun to play against

>>381480053
play medieval 1/2 and rome 1instead

>>381483295
A lot of people judge the game based on the DLC policy, when the game itself is actually solid
So you wind up defending something you don't agree with by proxy

>>381480053

Why are you blaming Creative Assembly when this is a publisher decision and most likely decisions made at an executive level at SEGA?

>>381495065
>this meme
Does Sega run Creative Assembly's forums as well?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6eaBtzqqFA

>>381485808
>>381486004

If you want to blame someone for having to charge for blood effects then blame the PEGI/ESRB advisory boards for their magical unknown criteria for rating games. If you add a price tag it becomes "optional content" but if you add it as a free DLC it's no longer regarded as optional.

Let me tell you personally speaking that dealing with people who sit on those boards for rating movies/games/literature like ESRB and PEGI and whatnot do not know jack shit about the mediums they are evaluating and trying to explain anything to them is like talking to a brick wall at sorts. We are talking about the same people that forced L4D2 to a low violence version in Australia because there was a zombie policeman you could shoot which could be thought of as inciting violence against law enforcement but a game like Payday 2 where you do nothing BUT shoot law enforcement at times gets zero rebukes against it. There is absolutely zero logic by the people who sit on those advisory boards.

>>381480053
Heh. They're using the same formula as Games Workshop, and you're surprised?

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ITT: People that want a fleshed out fantasy-warhammer game, but don't want to pay for it.

>>381496113
>but don't want to pay $200 for it.
ftfy

>>381495925
Probably the main problem with these ratings boards is that the judging is entirely subjective and that different people tend to judge differently, which is where all the inconsistent logic comes from.

>>381495793

I'm not entirely sure what community forum moderation has to do with video game publishing decisions. It's almost like they're completely unrelated issues.

It wasn't until around 2010? 2011? that SEGA were making a massive push for more DLC in their games and TW was one of those games. It started relatively minor in Shogun 2 but ended up being full on cut content in Rome 2.

>>381496057
No DLC on DOWIII yet.

>>381496247
poorfags

>>381480053
Were you expecting anything else from Warhammer?

>>381496568
You say that like it's supposed to be insulting. Have you not been keeping up with what's happened to the world economy over the last 30 years? Basically everyone is a poorfag now.

>>381496684
It's weird looking at life before and after The Great Recession. I can't even imagine buying a house.

>>381480053
Creative Assembly has been going downhill since EMPIRE TOTAL WAR. If you need a refresher, that was in 2009 and it had a terribly flawed release and really never lived up to its potential without heavy modding.

Total War Rome 2 (because keeping the naming convention was apparently a challenge) came out in 2013 and was another awful launch. Since then, the only halfway decent release they have had in the series has been Attila. Why? Because Atilla as you said is just an expansion to R2TW, at $60 and with its own DLC.

R2TW was 4 years ago. Empire Total War was 8 years ago. You have KNOWN. You have KNOWN FOR NEARLY A DECADE THAT CREATIVE ASSEMBLY IS ONLY GOOD AT PANDERING TO CASUAL STRATEGY PLAYERS AND PUMPING OUT DLC.

>>381496954
Attila is legitimately their best game since Rome 1

>>381496684
the majority of the world has always been poorfags, this is not a new development.

>>381497039
You could be totally right about it, and i still won't care. Not going to even bother pirating it. Rome 2 was that bad.

>>381496901
typical poorfag mentality, property is one of the best investments you can make.

>>381497189
I've been saving for over 5 years now and only have about 60% of the necessary finances to pay the minimum deposit on a modest house in my area.

>>381497093
It is if you're an american.

>>381496387

>Probably the main problem with these ratings boards is that the judging is entirely subjective and that different people tend to judge differently, which is where all the inconsistent logic comes from.

That is exactly spot on to what the problem is. There's no guidelines or any strict criteria to follow.

So to quote the ESRB page "The Entertainment Software Rating Board (ESRB) is the non-profit, self-regulatory body that assigns ratings for video games and apps so parents can make informed choices."

Now i'll tell you that having met some of these people who sit and chair these boards(at least in Australia), some of them do not even have kids but yet are advising on what video games kids would play. The few that did, their kids were already over 18 and should be able to glean information from the upbringing of their own kids. For them to even advise a rating on the game they don't even play the game for 5 minutes or so minimum. Some of the members i've dealt with were fine but others were of questionable character expecting favours of sorts to get their approval.

>>381497495
What's Australia like?

>>381497164

Just buy the whole lot on sale for like $10 or something on a Steam sale.

>>381480053
>not pirating the dlcs with creemapi
good goy

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>>381497380
KEK POORFAG, PULL YOURSELF UP BY YOUR BOOTSTRAPS HARDER

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Holy shit guys, TW: Warhammer and all of its DLC are 100% off on Steampunks!

>>381497650
As a Jew, I find these jokes very troublesome.

>>381497573

Other than some backwards politicians not understanding technology overall it's pretty good. Fairly safe for the most part and on a whole people are much more relaxed.

>>381497751
Good

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>>381480053

While I completely agree with you OP, the amount of hours I spend on Total Warhammer is insane.

Also surprisingly enough, Beastmen were the most fun I had with the game. I would have bet a single cent on it.

>>381488830
Check out HOI4. The DLC is trash, now imagine the free updates. Paradox has fucked big time. The last two big DLC for EU4 have gotten major negative reviews on Steam. People are still constantly complaining about hoi4 a year after it's release. I own it and even with the trash DLC it feels bare bones.

I've always wondered with you idiots.

How much do you think the game would cost and how much the dev cycle would suffer from delayed income if everything was included from the start?

>>381499468

That's because Wiz is the only fucking decent game designer at Paradox at the moment and he has been moved to work on Stellaris.

EUIV's expansions developed by Wiz were fantastic. As it was Utopia, for Stellaris.

Now, Podcat seems to be aware of all the priorities and problems of HoI IV (watch his Paradoxcon panel) yet he didn't do anything to address them in the latest expansions for wahtever god knows why reason

>>381499556

For a game like Total War Warhammer it's understandable because there's way more animations to do and models because not everyone is a 'default human" so to speak and some of the models and leaders were not actually in the game yet.

However in the case of Rome 2 and so it's kind of a poor case because there's absolutely no reason why you couldn't play as the Greek City states right from the start when all the information as already available in the base game with the units and files.