Well /v/, which one was better and why?

>>381471218
Anyone that says Gen 1 has got to be a dumb nostalgianigger, and I say this as a Genwunner myself that didn't like any of the games past Gen 3 and found Gen 3 games boring compared to Gen 1 and Gen 2.

>>381471539
Let's get this shit started then.
BW > GS > XY > RB > SM > DP >>>> RS

>>381471218
I liked the Gen 1-2 art style (whole franchise) but I appreciate that Gen 3 and beyond did a lot more with the gameplay.

>>381471218
There is literally no reason to not pick firered over original.

The graphics in the original are far more appealing to me, and I think remake looks incredibly safe, dumbed-down, uninteresting, and overly soft/pastel in the art style. If you don't like my opinion, I guess you can suck my nuts.

RBY had better music. FRLG was better in pretty much every other aspect, although locking Johto evolutions behind post-game and not including any sort of time system (to prevent Eevee evolving into Espeon/Umbreon) was stupid. Also, while it was a bug and it's completely understandable why they fixed it, I did miss not being able to use the Pokedoll trick to skip part of the game.

The only thing Fire Red lacked was GB Player for music.

>>381471218
original because nostalgia

I know that firered is better but I want the same sounds / music and weird glitches and bugs

>>381471218
Fire red
>same game
>wasn't broken, moves did exactly what they were supposed to
>looked way better
There is no argument otherwise.

FireRed

That's the only one i played, ergo Red is the worse ame in the series

>>381471218
Gen 1
Gen 2 is absolute pinnacle of the series

>>381471218
Fire Red.

>>381471218
I was literally autistic enough to skip FR/LG because there was no blue version.

I've since then grown up and put all that behi-FUCK YOU GAMEFREAK AND YOUR GODDAMNED BIAS TO RED AND CHARIZARD, YOU COCKSUCKERS! BLUE/GREEN WON SPLATFEST IN EVERY REGION INCLUDING YOUR OWN MOTHERFUCKING COUNTRY AND THE ONLY REASON RED HAD THE MOST SALES BACK THEN WAS BECAUSE YOU COUNTED GREEN AND BLUE SEPARATELY!

>>381471218
Obviously the remake.
It didn't fuck up anything worth of note, unlike the hoehn remakes. While I liked oras, I can't deny they have very little in common with the original games from a gameplay perspective.
The game had much more handholding, no improvement from emerald, megas after the 4° gym. I could go on and on.

>>381472659
m8 I think you're still autistic

>>381472792
That's the joke, mate

>>381471218
Anything beyond Gen 1 is shit

Gen 5 > 4 > 3 > 2 > 7 > 1 > 6

Gen 3 includes FRLG and Gen 6 includes ORAS in these rankings.

>>381471218
FRLG were only 6 years after RBY. Huh, really made me think.

>>381473041
Gen 1 games were broken in hindsight.

FRLG gave them some fixes they sorely needed

>>381472686
ORAS were very similar to RS with added stuff, if you think they are wildly different then you simply didn't play the originals. The issue was that they didn't add the improvements that Emerald added.

>>381471218
The remake, just because of one thing, RUNNING SHOES!, that right there must be one of the best additions to the whole franchise.

>>381471734

I assume you mean BW2 because BW was fucking shit.

>>381471218
The remakes are better without a doubt, but I still enjoy playing the originals more than the remakes.

>>381471218
The original solely on the fact that it doesn't feel NSMB-ized. The remake continued down the trend of neutering all the sprites and designs. Part of Pokemon's root appeal was the sprite work I think, and while everyone likes to poo-poo them now, I think the raw off model sprites hold my attention a lot better than the newer static ones. It creates a better atmosphere that allows you to curb the impatience that comes with the boring battle system.

https://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=285094

Reminder this exists.

>>381471218
No reason to say red is better than fire red.

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>>381473381
>The original solely on the fact that it doesn't feel NSMB-ized. The remake continued down the trend of neutering all the sprites and designs.
>Neutering sprites
>Making the sprites look like the artwork is somehow neutering them

>>381473172
My point was that oras is definitely an improvement over rs, but it also feels much more easier and railroaded. That's not a good point for rs, it's just that the newer games feels very different from the older ones.
I am talking about quality of life improvements as well as things like lati@s and relative mega stones given to the player for free.
Fire red was the same game with pretty graphics, 2 new types and a bunch of isles added.

>>381471218
FRLG is better than RBY in every single way.

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>>381471989
good post

>>381474012
It's alot more fun and animated than a blank static pose. Funnily enough, it displays more motion than the B/W sprites which are actually supposed to be "animated". It looks like it was caught mid-action, animals in the real world don't follow a strict model sheet either yknow.

>>381473041
Gen 1 is shit

>>381471734
>>381471539
Why the fuck do people hate Gen 3?

>>381474145
>FRLG is better than RBY in every single way.
FRLG Sabrina is inferior to RBY Sabrina, even with the fancy new sprites.

>>381471218
I have a lot of nostalgia for the first two gens, but RBY were broken as fuck, balance-wise and engine-wise. FRLG are undeniably better.

>>381473381
The old sprites weren't just off model.
They were bad. They were just bad sprites.
And they were off model because they were poorly drawn.

>>381471218
The gen 3 ones.
I will freely admit some of the song updates were downgrades, but that's a drop in the bucket.
About the only frustrating thing is that you can't get the non gen-1 evolutions until postgame.

Gen 4 > Gen 2 = Gen 3 > Gen 5 > Gen 6 = Gen 7 > Gen 1

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>>381474219
>animals in the real world don't follow a strict model sheet either yknow.
Yes, but Pokemon do, it's the original artwork. The sprites in RBY are supposed to resemble the original artwork.

>>381474415
That's a very pleb opinion.

>>381474310
Shitty map
Shitty story
Started the trend of actually splitting story into two separate games (Gen 1 and Gen 2 let you enjoy the full story regardless of which one you owned), Emerald alleviated this sure much like Platinum did for DP but after that it went back to splitting story for no fucking reason other than to jew people.
Music was awful, like legitimately awful.
Pokemon design started being retarded, no longer being close to IRL animals and dinosaurs (which made the designs more relateable).
A lot of it felt like a flat out worse retread of Gen 1 in every single way, something that infests the series to this day.

>>381474310
Personally because it played it safe, I expected something unexpected like in gen 2 with a second region and a surprising last battle.
Also no linking with previous gens.
It was really unsettling, the game itself was fine but it set a bad standard for generations to come.

From a gameplay standpoint, FRLG.
From a atmospheric standpoint, classic Red/Blue.

There are hacks like Red++ and Red/Blue DX that backport most of the valuable gameplay changes from FRLG to the original game, and throw in other helpful tweaks and additions (on top of all that, they have hard modes that make the game straight-up more fun). There's no reason to not just play one of those, unless you're nostalgiafagging

RBY, FRLG are too straight remakes that fail to bring any kind of the cool stuff of gen 2 or even RSE.
HGSS is the same in this regard, didn't even bother to make kanto not crap you can finish in two hours.

when the fuck are secret bases coming back?!

>>381474547
No they're not, ever heard of "artistic liberties"? If they were meant to look like the artwork they would've just done what they did on Yellow.

>>381474310
8 HMs, underwater, some of the ugliest pokemon, the beginning of the 10 year old saves the world all by themselves stories

FRLG > Yellow > RGB

>>381474726
November 2014

>>381474507
I still can't believe they somehow made a 'mon more annoying than zubat and tentacool combined

gods sake up until last gen the damn thing and it's evolution were virtually useless at that, at least with zubat you could eventually get crobat and tentacruel always was pretty good

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Were these the last good main series Pokémon games?

Only reason to play gen 1 is for the imports into gen 7.

>>381474550
You must think Undertale looks great

>>381471218
FR/LG lose all the magic the first games has and show you Kanto is fucking trash

On a gameplay standapoint though FR/LG is better with absolutely no contest

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>>381474803
haven't met anyone who actively disliked BW2 yet

>>381474747
Yellow looks the way it does because they were actually able to hire good artists after Red, Blue and Green were hits.

RBG's sprites aren't bad because the artists had a unique vision. They're just bad.

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>There will never be a Pokemon sequel as good as G/S

Might be my nostalgiafagging, but any Pokemon game past gen 2 just seems like GF really aren't trying

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>>381474871
Undertale looked good whenever Toby wasn't busy making the game look intentionally ugly. Sadly that was 85% of the game.

>>381475028
Preferred BW, I always like that a new region feels new with mostly new pokemon for the main game.

>>381473175
Completely ruins the point of the bike in order to appease adhd kids who think the game is too slow.

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>>381474747
>No they're not, ever heard of "artistic liberties"? If they were meant to look like the artwork they would've just done what they did on Yellow.
>Artistic liberties
Anon, if it was artistic liberties then Blue would never have existed and the game would have gone worldwide with Green Version's sprites

>>381474803
ORAS was the last good one

BW2 was the last one good enough to be worth playing

>>381475171
It looked good for the parts he outsourced.

>>381475028
I skipped BW2 cause BW1 bored the shit out of me

>>381475086
It's not just your nostalgiafagging.
They've been playing it very safe since Gen 3.
SuMo is the safest one yet.

>>381475086
>Implying the Switch entry won't be amazing

U wot

>>381475192
Gen 3 had two different bikes though and running was allowed indoors.
The mach bike was faster than running and allowed you to speed up hills, the Acro bike could jump. And yes the game is too slow at the beginning.

>>381475086
We just aren't the target audience anymore.

Sad!

>>381475334
>SuMo
>safe
also
>>SuMo

>>381471218
Fire Red. Gen 1 has not aged well at all.

>>381475195
Some of those look flat out better in Green.

>>381475192
The bike is still faster though

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>>381473172

>>381475420
It'll be cool to see a REAL Pokemon game in full HD, but I doubt I'll actually want to play it.

>>381475293
This

BW1 was utterly forgettable and had a ton of shit designs. Everybody hyped BW2, but I couldn't be bothered after 1.

>>381475192
The bike is even faster than RGBY still, and unlike RGBY it's actually worth using because it's notably fast enough, it doesn't take up limited inventory space, and can be set to Select instead of having to go through the slow ass Gen I menus.

>>381475424
FRLG just has one bike, and you couldn't run indoors until at least Gen IV if not V.

>>381475086
Gen 2 was the worst gen though

>>381475475
Yes anon, SuMo is safe. It's another fucking Gen 1 retread, with absolutely massive levels of Gen 1 pandering but also being safe by modern standards by pandering to modern cutscene infested cinematic storytelling garbage.
It's the fucking safest game in the series to date.
Just because it replaced Gyms with "Totally-not-Gyms" doesn't make it not safe.

>>381475195
Left is jap red too

>>381475293
if you do try BW2, I'd suggest cheating the challenge key in and directly starting with a challenge mode run
BW2's challenge mode is by far the most difficult mainline pokemon game out there so that could help spice things up
also there's a bunch of older gen pokemon around (mostly good ones at that, you get access to fun ones like growlithe and magnemite around the second city) as well this time and much less cutscenes

>>381475195
Green sprites are so funny. Cookie Monster Gengar always gets me.

>>381475669
totems are nothing like gyms dumb redditor

>>381475856
>calling me a plebbitor because I don't like your shitty cutscene infested Gen 1 pandering game
You're reaching really fucking hard now.
And Totems are literally just drastically dumbed down gyms.

>>381474507

I don't get it.

>>381475669
>Buffed Pokemon calling in allies to make it a Handicap battle after solving a trial are the same as a gym
Trials and Totems served the same purpose as gyms, but they're not the same

>>381472057
>bleep bloop shit
>better music

>>381474310
Because it removed features. A shitton of them.
Imagine being a kid and playing RBY and you love it. Properly enough to play through it six or seven times. Then GSC comes around and holy fucking SHIT, day and night cycle with changing Pokémon, a cellphone, a radio, your own room, headbutting trees and other cool shit and in the end you fucking get to go back to KANTO. Nobody gave a shit about horseshit like muh level curve or muh Houndoom in Kanto. You were occupied with humping trees, being amazed by the new shit you DID find and you most likely either didn't mind grinding or only really used one to three Pokémon anyway.
Then GSC comes around and Day-Night Cycle is gone, Cellphone is gone, Radio is gone, changing NPCs gone, equivalent of Alph Ruins much better but locked in postgame where most people never found it, other regions gone, fun and mysterious locations like Clefairy Stone mostly gone (except for Wynaut island)

That's why people fucking hate it. They came off of a game that was an improvement in every single aspect and into a game that made at least one step backwards for every step forward. The big legacy of Gen3 is that it started the trend of removing features.

>>381474507
hating trumpets is a huge meme

>>381476114
Boy I sure do love the fucking trumpets.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4vpdkEkup8
NOT

GBA soundchip is legitimately awful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXgAj5KdAC0

>>381475982
you are redditor for being a sumofag

>>381474219
I'm pretty sure the Pokemon guys are so dedicated to keeping their pokemon on model they create incredibly detailed reference sheets for the anime production.
http://sunyshore.com/other_art.shtml#game_freak
Of course, this is less relevant as they've moved on to a more expressive, more animated style in Sun/Moon, but for years and years they were dedicated to keeping shit literally perfect.

IMHO

R/B/Y for nostalgia purposes
HG/SS best overall

I think gen 3 is the worst

>>381474507
learn to repel, faggot

>>381476295
What the fuck does saying SuMo have to do with plebbit you cockmunching shitslurper?

>>381476202
>Then GSC comes around and Day-Night Cycle is gone

What?

>>381475028
when it comes to graphics, it's the ugliest gen after gen1

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>>381476392
because you redditors are too cucked to write sm

>>381476319
That just masks the problem, not solves it.
The problem is there's a giant expanse covering half the region with only TWO pokemon.
Making that two a zero doesn't make it any better.
Maybe if there was some variety in the mon selection, maybe if the routes had different mon distributions, people wouldn't hate the water that much.

>>381476452
Read the whole post now with reading comprehension.
He's saying what Gen 3 did compared to Gen 2, aka gutting a shit ton of stuff.
Imagine if Gen 1 had all that Gen 2 had and then Gen 2 came along and gutted that stuff.
That's the comparison he's trying to make because the reason why GSC is so loved is due to how much of an improvement it was and how much shit it added without removing anything.

>>381476202
b-but weather and planting berries and secret bases

>>381476202
Literally none of that shit mattered or was replaced by something better.
Radio was just Map and Phone with some unimportant shit. Phone was replaced by PokeNav.
Stuff like Ruins of Alph were replaced with The Regi quests.. Day-Night still existed minus the night time shade. You're excusing the shitty parts of the game over being able to decorate your room, ignoring that Gen 3 had secret bases which served the same function.

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>>381476315
>HG/SS
>that moment when you get your pokemon following you around and even changing colors if they are shiny
and I'm not obviously adding the fact we doing all jotho fun all again.
I will always have it as favorite no matter what.

>>381476591
Spew some more buzzwords you Nintetoddler because I sure as fuck ain't no plebbitor, god forbid that somoene finds sumo rolling off the tongue better. Feel free to choke on a bag of dicks and go back to your bernie libcuck shithole.

When will we get a fire red remake?

>>381471218
R/B will always be GOAT because no one knew at the time that GameFreak would shit out copy and pasted sequels nonstop.

We could've had a Pokemon MMO. We could've had an open world Pokemon game. Instead, we get Pokemon R/B with a bit of extra content and a different title.

>>381476269
upper is better

>>381476752
>R/B will always be GOAT because no one knew at the time that GameFreak would shit out copy and pasted sequels nonstop.
>We could've had a Pokemon MMO. We could've had an open world Pokemon game. Instead, we get Pokemon R/B with a bit of extra content and a different title.
>Pokemon MMO
>1997

>>381476827
If you have no taste and like distorted low quality sample trumpets, sure.

>>381476269
>nostalgiafag thinks bleepshit is good

>>381476735
did I hurt your feelings >>381476752
redditor?

>>381476928
The fact you call it "bleepshit" is why I know you're underage or barely of age Gen Z shitter.

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>>381476908
>I hate trumpets

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>>381471734
Genwunner here.
Gen IV (HS, SS, Ptt) > Gen II > Gen III (FRLG, E) = Gen V (BW2) > Gen IV (DP) = Gen V (BW) > Gen III (RS) > Gen I
I burned out in Gen V and have not continued onto post XY.

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BW2>HGSS=Platinum=Emerald>SM>BW>Crystal>GS>RBYG>ORAS>XY>FRLG>RS>DP

>>381476908
>He's not a trumpet man

Pleb

>>381475420
>implying the Switch game won't just be XY 2.0

Reminder that the 3DS games don't run like shit just because of the high polycount and custom shaders, but the games are constantly decrypting and encrypting Pokemon data hundreds of times at once every battle.

>>381475856
Trials are just Gyms but you fight even weaker wild fodder and somehow the actual layouts and "puzzles" are even more mindless than Gen 1's. Totems are the only thing worth salvaging and they aren't a particularly impressive idea, they shouldn't replace Leaders either, they should be their own thing in regular dungeons. Not that Alola has any good ones.

>>381476735
Is this an attempt to get people to like SM by making its detractors seem like buzzword spewing retards? Because it isn't working.

>>381474598
I'll agree with everything you said except Shitty map. What's to hate?

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>there are people on this website who will put SM and XY higher than Ruby and Sapphire

Gen 3 isn't even my favorite gen, but I liked it and it was better than what came after Gen 4, ESPECIALLY SM and XY.

>>381476202
But they made the gameplay better.

>>381477209
>What's to hate?
The fucking water making up half of it.

has the pokemon plot advanced beyond "get 8 badges and fight the elite 4"?

am I to much of a genwunner if I legitimately like the gen 1 gym leader theme better than all other ones?
I'm aware a large part may be nostalgia induced.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OO5VAKk0d8

I guess everyone has their own cut off point, but for me it was Gen 4.
It felt like the roster was filled. There was a pokemon for pretty much everything, and the legendaries capped off the 'power curve' with time, space, darkness and god.
The games since then have just felt kind of pointless and the new pokemon are either rehashes, bizarre concepts or just overdesigned.
Like, Dialga and Palkia might have had pretty busy designs, but they still felt like pokemon whereas the legendaries from BW and XY just don't look like they belong in the same franchise.

t. favourite game was Emerald, so take my opinion as you will.

Gen 4>Gen 2>Gen 5>Gen 3>Gen 7>Gen 6>Gen 1

>>381475195
There were so few...

>>381477213
Gen 3 is absolute shit. It's the bright, colorful, toddler's version of Pokémon.

>>381474598
>music was awful
RSE had plenty of catchy tunes.

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>>381477429
eh, something like Xerneas doesn't look all that busy to me

it's just the colors on the antlers

FRLG

>top tier
Platinum, HGSS, BW2
>alright tier
FRLG, Emerald, ORAS
>nostalgia tier
RGBY, GSC
>wasted potential tier
XY
>shit tier
BW1, SM

pokemon feels like such a waste of time now that you can just use save editors to give yourself every pokemon.

>>381477315
It's not like you can't use surf and travel through it

Original was nice because I didn't have to sit through as much tutorial shit at the beginning.

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>>381477315
That's wrong though
Red is crossed by boat
Purple is a bunch of rapids that act as a puzzle
Orange is the only part you're forced to surf

>>381477774
RSE had a few very bad themes though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMsQJZLG12E

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>>381477081
I think SM should be a bit lower, but great list.

>>381477783
Two problems with Xerneas:
1. Antler shape is awful
2. The fucking faggy rainbow on them

>>381477254
Guess how much that mattered to most people playing back then? It was fucking nothing. The Special Stat Split was sorely needed, but mattered little in actual play, because people barely played PvP anyway. The game was mostly about thunderpunching through the story and trying to see cool stuff. What DID matter to kids was that there was no VISIBLE night.

>>381477793
>ORAS
>alright
>HGSS above Emerald and FRLG
Opinion disregarded. The GBA remakes were way more fulfulling and a vast improvement while HGSS, BW2, and ORAS did little to nothing to better prior mechanics and region-pacing.

>>381477924
That's not even that bad. Does the creepy forest thing well

>>381477793
oh yeah

>why the fuck are you playing these when you have objectively better versions tier
RS, DP

>>381477897
Red part contains the sunken ship and one of the Regis
the water rapids start BEYOND the city so part of your purple line is false and also you had to do those rapids countless times so it still counts

>>381478005
>Guess how much that mattered to most people playing back then? It was fucking nothing. The Special Stat Split was sorely needed, but mattered little in actual play, because people barely played PvP anyway. The game was mostly about thunderpunching through the story and trying to see cool stuff. What DID matter to kids was that there was no VISIBLE night.
>Double battles
>Contests
>Weather
>More variety to hold items
All mattered more than night

I definitely find gen 3 games look the ugliest. Gen 1 and 2 are comfy and nostalgic, gen 4-6 look dated sure, but gen 3 is basically the shittiest a Pokemon game can look without having that comfy classic charm of the older games. Same with the music. The graphics and soundboard of Gold and Silver is some of the comfiest shit in videogames I know of as a 23 year old.

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>>381477739
>It's the bright, colorful, toddler's version of Pokémon.

What the fuck does that mean? You say that like the ENTIRETY of the 3DS era wasn't exactly that. ORAS even made Gen 3 look "toddler"-like.

>>381478126
>Red part contains the sunken ship and one of the Regis
None of that is required, that's like counting the Seafoam Islands as necessary in RBY

>>381478005
>because people barely played PvP anyway
Are you nuts? The inclusion of Kanto remakes, wireless connections, and introduction of co-op battles increased the incentive for PVP in that generation.

>>381478217
Gen 2 added weather.

You forgot Abilities though, which is huge.

>>381478380
*co-op double battles

>>381477326
Have you played Pokémon Silver or Gold version?
Or any after those for that matter?

>>381478425
And natures

>>381477429
yeah same for me, the series lost it's magic after Platinum

>>381477739
Pokemon is bright, colourful and toddler friendly.

>>381478349
if we go like that then RSE still have 5 times as much required surfing as any other game because in gen 1 you could go from pallet town directly to cinnabar and back

and don't forget to mention just how utterly massive all those surfing routes were, or how you were forced to also go down the deep dive part several times

>>381471734
gen2 and 5 are my favorite, but you fucked up putting gen6 that high and gen3 that low

shit taste

>>381477739
>It's the bright, colorful, toddler's version of Pokémon
Dude, that describes Gen 2 and Gen 7.

>>381477980
And it's shiny form is still fucking bugged, even in generation 7.

Which country do you want the next region to be based on?

>>381478569
>how utterly massive all those surfing routes were, or how you were forced to also go down the deep dive part several times
i love hoenn precisely because of that

>>381478569
>if we go like that then RSE still have 5 times as much required surfing as any other game because in gen 1 you could go from pallet town directly to cinnabar and back
But you can do that in literally every game with Fly
>and don't forget to mention just how utterly massive all those surfing routes were, or how you were forced to also go down the deep dive part several times
Like 3 or 4 times?

>>381478569
>or how you were forced to also go down the deep dive part several times
This was the only good part about the water routes.

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>>381478561
you forgetting several trainers in gen 1 carried whips?

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>tfw platinum removed the casino slots because of some german law
Cucked by germans once again.

>>381476202
you forgot crystal animations, those were the shit at that time

meanwhile rs had no animation and emerald had that shit "pulsing" fake animating

I still like gen3 a lot, but those little things made gen2 way more fun to play

>>381474726

When following Pokemon, Pokemon contests, the underground, Pokemon movies, Pokemon Amie, Super Training, the Battle Frontier, and Move Tutors come back.

Game freak literally takes shit out of their fucking games constantly and just get away with it because it's Pokemon so we are going to buy it anyways. I fucking hate game freak for this shit.

>>381478231
gen 5s seasons need to come back, they were actually quite comfy

>>381478779
was talking about how you could skip the longest surfing route in gen 1 entirely if you so wanted and were only left with a short water path

while on the other hand RSE requires you to traverse a vast ocean filled entirely with nothing but wingull

>>381476295
>not going ULTRA SUMO

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>>381478825
and?

>>381478841
hgss, not platinum

>RSE had bad mu-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGvR7QNr8j0

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>>381477793
This is actually one of the better rankings I've seen on here. X/Y and SM are where they belong. There's just a few concerns

>ORAS
>alright

That belongs in wasted potential tier. They were half-assed remakes unlike FRLG and HGSS.

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I think the original looks sweet and nostalgic. The remakes added some gameplay improvements, both are good in their own way.

>>381474697
This Anon pretty much nailed it. I played Red++ a few months back and had a nice time with it, would recommend.

>>381479034
fuck let me try this again
>>RSE had bad mu-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGvR7QNr8j0

>>381479034
shrill trumpets sadly ruin what could have been a good piece of music

>>381478569
>utterly massive all those surfing routes were,
You also surf MUCH faster than you did in gen 1.

>>381479021
Platinum too mate. I've got a diamond and platinum cartridge, casino is fine in diamond but completely removed in platinum.

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>>381476202
Exactly this. I dropped it in gen 3 because it was severely disappointing.

>>381471734
BW2>GS>RB>DP>RS>XY>>>>>>>SM fuck the nonstop cutscenes>>>>>>>BW

>>381478905

And O-Powers, and Rollerskates, and probably a bunch of other shit I'm forgetting. Pokeblocks too. And that thing that makes the in game music use the classic soundboard instead.

>>381479108
>Red++
what is the difference between normal and hard difficulty?

>>381474753
>some of the ugliest Pokémon
Gen 3 is the highest amount of amazingly designed Pokémon compared to any other gen

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Does anyone else here think Ken Sugimori's art for humans went downhill after Gen 3? The people now look like lanky models with chipmunk mouths, resembling the average dime-a-dozen anime character.

>>381474598
>splitting story into two separate games

It was the same fucking story

>>381479241
you surf at 2x the speed while you have to traverse 10x the distance

seriously there's a damn good reason sinnoh had only 1 dedicated surfing route

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>>381474310
They just fucking hate on it because Mudkip became a meme.

>>381479240
the trumpets are part of the charm tho

>>381479021

Platinum got its casino gutted outside Japan and America.

>>381479428
Sugi doesn't draw them anymore iirc.

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is there a mod that lets me put missingo and the mew glitch back into FR

>>381479428
you're not wrong
Red is literally the only good design among the remakes

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>it's another thread where people lie about B2W2 being good

>>381474598
>Gen 1 and Gen 2 let you enjoy the full story regardless of which one you owned
You realise that Gen 1 and 2 had version exclusives as well right? As for the story, the changes are aesthetic.

>>381479000
>was talking about how you could skip the longest surfing route in gen 1 entirely if you so wanted and were only left with a short water path
>while on the other hand RSE requires you to traverse a vast ocean filled entirely with nothing but wingull
>Defending a tiny barren map

>>381479428

Sugamori stopped designing the protags after BW.

>>381478725
I want a hard Pokémon game based on Germany.
It should have a mature story as well as grey as its main color

>>381478069
I think FRLG is the only remake that wasn't a shit remake, HGSS personally pisses me off even more than ORAS because I get incredibly autistic over Johto, but that doesn't change that for the average person HGSS offers the most shit.

Though I will say I can't think of FRLG doing much to help the pacing of RGBY. Like, you can't sequence break with transferring in a Fresh Water from Stadium anymore, I guess? I wouldn't call that a pro though.

>>381479046
I think end of the day ORAS was alright with all its pros and cons, but I wouldn't be against putting it in wasted potential with XY at all, because it certainly was that. By all means, it should've ended up as a top tier game, but they fucked up too much for it.

>>381479623
>defending a tiny barren map
instead you're defending a massive barren map that takes ages to get from nowhere to nowhere

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>>381479428
>>381479594
I'd say the FRLG redesigns were the height of the art direction.

>>381479623
>Defending a tiny barren map
better than a big, barren map.

>>381479540
>>381479242

oh shit, didn't knew

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>>381479661
>Sugamori stopped designing the protags after BW
That explains these abominations.

>>381479623
>>Defending a tiny barren map
You realise that Hoenn's land segments are bigger than Kanto and Johto right.

>>381479759
Gen 3 Red > Gen 1 Red. Fite me.

Nothing, NOTHING can be worse than gen 3. Not even the holocaust.

>>381479874
>hating on Rosa
>hating on palm tree

>>381474507
dun duh NA NAAAAAA NA NA NA.
BURUM BURUM

>>381475513
a lot of good points ruined by extremely biased nitpicking

>somebody released spoilers and I looked at them
>IF you use the xp share you will be overlevelled
>I didn't get a free pokemon toy with the game

>>381475195
What everyone doesn't know is that the sprites aren't representations, they are the actual design, artist drew most of the pokemon as sprites first and then Sugimori had to make the oficial artwork all the way up to BW.

So yeah, pokemon Green sprites are the original monster design.

>>381479021
>>381479021
to be fair though the gen 4 "slot machines" were not gambling machines but rather a skill based minigame so in all versions there's a form of censoring

>>381479596

It was though, the original BW were the shit ones.

>>381480050
>What everyone doesn't know is that the sprites aren't representations, they are the actual design, artist drew most of the pokemon as sprites first and then Sugimori had to make the oficial artwork all the way up to BW.
Source on that?

>>381479729
>>381479791
>Hoenn
>Barren Pick one

>>381479881
Hoenn's land segments aren't barren like Kanto and Johto's
>Water routes have dive spots and rapids
>Land has different terrains and weather
>Tall grass
>Acro Bike and Mach Bike paths
>Secret bases everywhere

The general Gen 3 aesthetic is gross to me, including the music. However I really like the GB games for their general look and sounds. There's a certain type of old graphics I like. I like the way Gen 4 looks though.

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>>381479759
>I'd say the FRLG redesigns were the height of the art direction.

pfffffffftttttttttt HAHAHAHA

>>381480089
Slots in pokemon were always based on timing rather than luck.
The only one that was really gambling was the roulette in gen 3.

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>>381479874
>the hair and pants/leggings on the male trainer
>the giant forehead, shoes, and shitty shirt-shorts on the female trainer
I never looked closely at those designs but holy shit those are abysmal. Who drew these and thought they looked good?

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>>381478825
And gen 7 has a room full of frozen Pokémon and more mentions of death than any past game.

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>>381480243
I'll pick 2 thank you very much

>>381471989
I think the spritework in gen 1 speaks for itself. The poses for Pokemon are much more dynamic ,- there wasn't a brand-perfect look to all Pokemon so they were more free to stylize them. Silver fucked up in that regard.

>>381474310
>>381474598
>>381476202
Wrong. It's all nostalgia. People started hating Pokemon because they were in middle school and anything from their childhood was uncool.

>>381478825
>Gen 2 had Pokemon mutilation
>Gen 6 expanded the lore and gave the revelation that one of the Earth's primary energy sources was built on the energy extracted from killing pokemon

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>>381477429
Yeah I dropped off after Gen 4 too with HeartGold being the last game I bought. I almost thought I was done with Pokemon after getting burned by Diamond, but the Gen 2 remakes renewed my interest.

I don't like the direction the franchise has taken with the change in art direction and designs (both Pokemon and Trainer), a new emphasis on plot and story and bi-yearly entries. Probably the only way I would pick up another new Pokemon is if they brought Ken Sugimori back on board to design, but even then Pokemon needs some serious changes.

The gameplay is stale as fuck and the series has become the Japanese equivalent of CoD/Ass Creed in terms of numerous entries to print money simply because the fanbase will buy it anyway even if it looks like shit. They can do things like expand the movesets for Pokemon, make the turn-based aspect faster and have a more hands off narrative that doesn't interrupt you every 5 mins.

I can't see myself picking up a new Pokemon game anytime soon, I'll probably just revisit Gen 1-3 and the remakes if I wanted to play again.

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>>381479874
>not liking rosa
You gay, son?

>>381480516
>All those dive spots

>>381473058
I can agree with this

>>381471218
Pokemon Red on GBC.

Pokemon Red on Stadium 1 or 2 was even better.

>>381474507
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlVV44BA968
every time

I fucking loved red when I was a kid.

I fucking loved firered and leafgreen when it came out and still love them to this day. I still replay them every couple of years. Gen 1 feels too outdated for me to bother.

>>381480285
>you never encounter a Charizard in the wild, let alone a shiny one
At this point, why doesn't Game Freak just let starter Pokemon appear in the wild already?

>>381471218
gen 3 no contest

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>>381477421
You're not. The original is still my favorite. Also, the original Pokemon Center still sounds the best. Surfing theme is also best in Gen 1. However, I perfer GSC's soundtrack a little more.
>>381477429
I play through the new ones but I really only replay through Gen 4. 493 seems right whereas 649 was too much.

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>>381480725
such engaging and interesting diving spots

certainly not like most of them are copy pasted item vaults

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>tfw used to be a huge gen 3 fag
>got OR day one hoping for something that G/S fags felt when they got HG/SS
>absolutely hated it, felt like a slap in the face. Everything was ugly because the region was designed for 2D, the balance was completely fucked, changed caves and cities, ect. First pokemon game where I didn't even bother to rechallenge the E4.
>try to replay ruby and later, emerald but all the joy has been sucked out and I'm struggling to even muster up the effort to play it
OR/AS was a mistake.

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Why people seems to hate bizarre designs ?
I think that Necrozma is fucking fantastic.

>>381474598
>Music was awful, like legitimately awful.

Nah, fuck you. Soot road/ Route 113 and Aqua theme are two of my favourite songs from the entire series.

>>381474598
>Music was awful
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lEVphLiFqs

>>381480142
>B2W2
>not the shit one
Fuck off.
>increased cutscenes
>forced interludes such as the studio
>terrible redesigns for trainers and gym leaders
>daycare isn't accessible until after elite 4
The only good thing B2W2 improved was better pokemon accessibility in the post-game. Other than that, it was a definite downgrade.

>>381480168
http://dogasu.bulbagarden.net/features/sugimori_kens_works.html
>He then says that when he was first assigned to do the artwork for the pokemon back in the Red & Green days it was for the official guide books that going to go on sale soon. The only artwork that existed at the time were the sprites that had been ripped from the games and so Mr. Sugimori had to go through all that pixel art, one by one, and draw the pokemon based on these sprites. During this time he would change parts of the pokemon he didn't like for whatever reason.

There was an interview where they commented on how since XY they had to start using concept art and blueprints to design pokemon, but I don't remember if it was an XY interview or an SM one.

>>381471218
Fire Red.

>>381480686
Only easily aroused waifufags like her.

>>381481020
Because they weren't there when those people were children.

>>381471218
firered allows you to run after the 1st gym so firered is best just because of that

>>381472659
I don't get people who preferred Blastoise. Are you all just effeminate contrarians?

Fire Dragons appeal to normal male kids with at least some testosterone.

>>381481070
>increased cutscenes
blatantly untrue
>daycare isn't accessible until after elite 4
the fuck are you using the daycare for before E4?

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>>381480683
>I don't like the direction the franchise has taken with the change in art direction and designs (both Pokemon and Trainer),
I think that the art direction is better than ever.

>>381480686
If hating that ugly design makes me gay, then I'll gladly be called a faggot.

>>381481070
>>terrible redesigns for trainers and gym leaders
No one had any redesigns though beyond a handful of characters like Cheren and Bianca.

yellow
god i wish they remastered that

>>381475028
I actually really dislike them. The postgame doesn't make up for the hours upon hours of forced tutorials and text you have to go through at the beginning.

>>381481190
>bringing testosterone into a pokemon discussing

l m a o you gotta be insecure as fuck

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>>381481190
It has motherfucking cannons sticking out of it's shell and looks pretty boss overall
it's venusaur that's for eliminate faggots

>>381474413
Exactly this

>>381481403
TAKE THAT BACK I'M VERY SECURE

>>381481257
But the custscenes part is true.
>the fuck are you using the daycare for before E4?
The fuck are you defending optional staple of the games being put on a delay?

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>>381479428
>>381479759
>>381480285
All of these are valid. It's no question that the art direction took a dive after Sugimori stopped designing.

>>381479874
Call me petty but this is one of the reasons I didn't pick up BW2.

>>381481190
Nigga it has cannons.

>>381481257
>the fuck are you using the daycare for before E4?
Is this supposed to be a bad thing to do?

>>381479874
The hair and legwear look ugly on both of them.

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>>381481020
I legitimately think gen 7 has the best pokemon overall. Been playing since RB, haven't ever liked every single mon and form introduced before.

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>>381480686
This is the upgraded official version of Rosa. (Based Hitoshi Ariga).

>>381478897
I always considered the animated sprites a third version exclusive thing until the 4th gen since silver/gold and ruby/sapphire didnt but crystal and emerald both did
also idk what you mean by emerald having "fake" animations

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>>381481596
>Call me petty but this is one of the reasons I didn't pick up BW2.

You missed out.

>>381481548
nobody uses the daycare for actual level boosting because of just how slow it is at that
much more efficient to just stick whatever 'mon you want to powerlevel in your team with an xp-share

and why the heck are you breeding before the E4?

Every game brings with it its own updates to the formula. I don't think anybody would argue that the games didn't get better mechanically over time. But why the fuck are you still playing Pokemon? I can understand Mario, Zelda, Animal Crossing, all that stuff, but after you've played like 3 generations of the exact same thing haven't you had enough? I'm sure they're great games and all, but is there really enough in each new release to keep you playing?

>>381481596
without reading that text, I would unironically pick the last one. Tall skinny eyes are fucking weird and the first 3 are all strangely angular.

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>>381474507

Good times.

>>381481826
but you can use the daycare WHILE leveling other pokemon you stupid shit

>>381481727
it's incredibly slow and generally speaking pokemon you put in there early game tend to be so weak you're never going to use them in the first place
especially in gen 5, nobody has used crap like patrat beyond the first gym and the regional bird most certainly is no staraptor

>>381481826
>obody uses the daycare for actual level boosting because of just how slow it is at that
That's a blatant lie, dude.
>why the heck are you breeding before the E4?
People have their own reasons. Why are you being faceatious about players utilizing their options?

>>381481086
Neat. Learned something new.

>>381481190
It's a giant bipedal tortoise with fucking cannons. I've seen dragons before.

>>381481953
And they still end up considerably underleveled.

>>381481943

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubT2SHlePYc&

>>381481826

>Not wanting to breed before the E4 to save yourself some of the eventual exp grind
?

>>381481851
>Constant changes to the battle system
>Teams updated with each Gen and release
>PvP

>>381481953
congrats, you come back from leveling some good pokemon you recently caught in lategame areas and find your early game shitmon to now be at exactly the same level as the wild ones in said lategame areas

>>381481436
>>381481682
>>381482063
>cannons are cooler than dragons
No. Kids do not think this. You guys were and are contrarians. Pretending little assholes. Fuck you.

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>>381481826
Are you seriously retarded? You know people like having pokemon on the backburner while also leveling up their current priorities, right? This has been a common practice since the first games.

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I don't care what you think is the best, as long as you agree that gen 6 is the worst, then you're fine by me. I remember nothing of X/Y at all other than it being ugly as sin and extremely out of balance.

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>>381481903
how can you live with yourself knowing you have unquestionably shit taste?

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>>381481817
Meh, I didn't like the designs of the majority of the Pokemon either. There's a few exceptions like that red crocodile thing, but I don't see the point anymore in catching them if the majority of them look like ass.

>>381482195
See >>381482106
Daycare leveling never works unless you've spent like 100 hours playing the game before completing it.

>>381482184
I was a kid and thought Blastoise was the coolest motherfucker around.

>>381475513
>no mega flygon
still mad

>>381482184
If Charizard was a radder dragon design you might have a point. As he is he can't beat water Bowser plus canons.

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>>381481903
>he prefers the generic anime look

This doesn't surprise me.

>>381481826
>nobody uses the daycare for actual level boosting because of just how slow it is at that
Only if you're barely walking around. Even the most casual player knows they'll be running around the region and deposits some party members in the daycare to level up in the background/

>>381482195
daycare at best gets you like 5 levels
BW2 has a daily service that get's you 15

>>381482298
Only in shitty regions where the daycare is late in the region.

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>>381481596
Thae pic is wrong though, that seems more the evolution of the anime artstyle than the sugimori one.
Also fuck off all, Sugimori is still a thing in Pokémon, he was the designer of all team Skull members.
The Plumeria's face is literally perfection.

>>381482417
during the pre-E4 it goes really slowly
and don't forget you have join avenue before the E4 where you can buy level ups

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>>381482336
https://twitter.com/JoeMerrick/status/590430504245186560

Feels bad

>>381482520
oh please the only pokemon that ever spent time in gen 1's daycare is magikarp
they specifically added the breeding function to it because nobody was using the daycare for it's actual purpose

>>381482231
>>381482373
I mean maybe pick better examples? I'll concede that 3 has better eyes but its a box head. Maybe the others have better teeth but that's not shown. 1 has shading but its wasted on how ridiculously pale that girl is like what the hell.

>>381482417

As hardcore breedfag, that's a load of shit. I can have mons in the daycare in ORAS for a long ass time for shiny hunting with it's automatic movement loop and getting far more steps in then casuals will bother with gets shit to level 30 max. The leveling is more a pain in the ass since it wipes egg moves which is why SM removed the experience gain from it.

It's not anywhere near a big deal as you claim it is.

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>>381479428
His art has improved, but most of his actual designs these days aren't that hot. The quality of his art also seems to change a lot between "stock art" and more detailed pieces. He drew this Red last year, and if you ask me it's the best he's ever looked.

Even then the HGSS protagonists were designed by Takao Unno, and I'm not sure about the ORAS ones.

>>381480332
Yusuke Ohmura, who was head of human character design in Gen V, and head of all art design human and Pokemon for SM. The only humans Sugimori did in Gen V in particular were the BW1 protags and N, he did several in XY including the protags, and he did several for SM too but I'm not certain who. I think Lillie and Mallow are among them? Sugi also only did artwork for new forms of old Pokemon in SM, all the 100% new Pokemon had their official artwork drawn by Ohmura. You can usually tell if Ohmura drew a character because while most of the other artists for Pokemon at least tries to mimic Sugimori's linework and coloring, Ohmura's lines are perfectly smooth instead of "bumpy" and the shading in the coloring is a lot lazier.

Ohmura left Game Freak a few months ago according to his Twitter and LinkedIn, and you can already tell someone else drew the Necrozma forms for USUM from the linework.

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>>381482667

Fire red, anyone who claims otherwise is either a hipster faggot or a nostalgicunt

>>381482336
meh, we've already have more than enough ground/dragons

would love a mega kingdra though

>>381482520
Like Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh, Unova (1), Kalos and Alola?
Oh wait, that's all of them.
All of them have early game daycares that give you abysmal gains.

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>come into thread
>see b2w2fags already starting shit

Every pokemon thread, these people lie about how good B2W2 are and try to defend them by trying to force people to tolerate inconvenience.

This hasn't changed for 5 years.

>>381482701

At least it's useful in the VC ports since it makes nature easy to control.

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FR/LG were the best remakes and all the others blew ass

>>381482840
Actually wait, Alola removed the level gain didn't it.
Then again, that's still abysmal.

>>381482373
You say that like the old style wasn't just generic 90s anime.

>>381482013
opinions for pidgeot clones:
staraptor = toucannon > talonflame > swellow > noctowl > pidgeot > unfezant
though anything below talonflame isn't worth using

>>381471218
FRLG is better overall. If you're doing your first playthough, play Red until you beat Brock's gym to get a feel for what the original was like, then go play the entirety Fire Red. Gen 1 had a clunky UI and was kind of obtuse in a lot of ways, but it was good enough to start the franchise. Playing until the first gym will show you basically 95% of the game so there's no reason to finish it when you can play the better version on the GBA.

>>381482972

That was for the better

>>381482764
not to mention that when you're doing shit like loop movement, you're heavily into postgame at which point the BW2 game gives you access to the daycare

and really exactly what very early 'mon from BW2 would you be willing to use but not willing to put in your team?

>>381482840
What are you talking about? Kanto and Hoenn had daycares with decent leveling systems that came around after the 2nd or 3rd Gym Leaders.

>>381482768
>pikachu is even fat
awww

>>381479874
Rosa's design grew on me after Faithful Tepig 2. Also helps that I name her "Leia" in-game.

2>1=3>4>7>5=6

>>381482848
>This hasn't changed for 5 years.
Try 2 years.
5 years ago everyone was just trading Magnemites to build up their join avenue and just playing BW2 happily. Then the shitposters came.

>>381482840
I think you need to reread the post you replied to.

FR/LG over the originals, but G/S/C over the remakes

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>>381482578
I know the guy who made it is wrong that this is all Sugimori, I just post it as an example to show how the art style changed for the worst.

>Sugimori is still a thing in Pokémon, he was the designer of all team Skull members.

Didn't know that. I still don't think it's comparable to his earlier work. His protag designs for Black and White 1 are better examples.

>Plumeria's face is literally perfection

Oh come on, anon.

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>>381474803
>Gen 2 remakes are still expensive as fuck years later
>Never found a decent emulator
Gen 2 is my fucking favorite it's not fair bros

>>381482881
god hypno sluttification is so hot

>>381483013
mega pidgeot is worth using a lot more than toucannon
and ingame swellow is pretty good with guts + facade since you can pre-emptively burn or poison it
and talonflame used to be good... it's not fair

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5>4>3>2>7>1>6

Only people who don't like R/S are retards who've never seen a large body of water and can't swim. Having lived in Florida all my life, 3 is easily the best gen.

>>381483106
>decent leveling systems
Getting a mon to the level 30-35 range by the time you reach the E4 isn't "decent".

>>381480017
Route 110?

>>381482578
>The Plumeria's face is literally perfection.
She's bug-eyed with a giant forehead.

>>381483259
>implying it isn't purification in the form of a horrible nymphomaniac becoming a normal girl via the power of suggestion
Reading it the wrong way pal

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>>381474803
Yes.

>>381475028
I hated the art direction and the in-game visual style. >>381476504 sums it up pretty well.

>>381483272
I meant for use in game, my bad. Mega pidgeot isn't available in the main story except in oras, where pidgey isn't present.

>>381481826
>>381483369
Please tell me you haven't been basing your whole argument on thinking people are actually talking about bringing out daycare pokes *right before* the E4.

>>381471218
FR and LG are objectively better. They have actual colour for a start. But also better graphics in general. They are better balanced. A million bugs have been fixed and quality of life additions have been made.

Really, it did everything an enhanced remake should do and did it more-or-less perfectly.

The original Red and Blue will always be the true nostalgia factor though.

>>381483453
yeh for use ingame I'd place swellow above talonflame just for the guts/facade shenanigans

also while unfezant is pretty bad I found the second stage to be fairly useful in the early/mid game due to it's access to roost and the fact you get evolite early

>>381483562
You realise no one uses the Daycare for leveling at all right.
It's literally the most inconvenient method of gaining levels, especially in the gen 5 and 6 games given the EXP multipliers exist in those games.

>>381483562
what else are you using it for? to raise a shitty little early game mon a few levels just so it's now on the same level as the wild pokemon you're encountering that are vastly superior to it?

seriously the ONLY valid use of daycare is leveling crap first stages like magikarp before you have xp-share

>>381483369
>Getting a mon to the level 30-35 range by the time you reach the E4 isn't "decent".
Who the hell said anything about reaching the E4. The original post here >>381481070 said that one of the reasons B2W2 is shitty is because there's no daycare until after beating the elite four. Did you really think he meant that people were using the daycare immediately before the elite four? Are you that retarded?

>>381483801

So what's your point then? It's shitty for not letting you use it pre E4 but now agreeing that no one uses it pre E4?

>>381476606
Pokémon has always had this issue.
Considering how diverse real sea life is, it's weird how any time you surf at sea it'll be 90% one pokémon.

Wasn't Gen 1 and its remake pretty much just Tentacool?

>>381481190
>He was the kid who liked the dragon.
>Not the turtle with literal gun barrels coming out of his shell like a howitzer.

You were not born /k/ enough.

>>381483736
>You realise no one uses the Daycare for leveling at all right.
That's a lie and you know it.

>>381483412
>>381483220
Shit taste.

>>381471218
If you say genwun is better you're pretty much saying watching something in 144p is better than watching in 4k because m-muh nostalgia

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FR/LG is clearly better. For starters, you don't have pants on head retards for AI that spam things like agility because it's psychic type against poison enemies.
The only shit thing about it was the redone music and it felt too tedious to get trade up with R/S.