>dude, religious symbolism LMAO Why is this allowed?

>>381447772
>Also sprach Zarathustra

How are these games? How's the combat?

>>381447957
1 was great, 2 was eh, 3 was good.

>>381447957
Really fucking good. II is the only one I didn't really like, but I respected the fact they tried experimenting with the system. III was easily the best.

Episode I is still the comfiest though.

>>381448053
>>381448074
I'll check these bad boys out then, thanks

>>381447957
>>381448053
3 was the best one

The amount of time I spent on that card game in 1 was insane.

>>381448074
>Episode I is still the comfiest though.
Seconding this. 3 was the most polished but I kind of preferred 1.

>>381448141
I honestly don't remember much about the combat in 3, just that it was better than 2. In 1 I remember giving every stat boost possible to KOS-MOS and having her absolutely destroy everything.

>>381448138
Expect to get your ass kicked on in Episode I. The boss fights in it are actually unfair.

>>381447957

Terrible, there is almost no gameplay and the one in the game is absolute shit.

The story is generic as fuck and tries way too hard to be 2deep4u

Terrible games overall.

>>381448138
Expect to get your ass kicked on in Episode I. The boss fights in it are actually unfair.

>>381448168
Dude, the fucking mech mini game ALONE I put at least 30 hours on. Xenosaga consumed me for a while. It had no business being that fun.

>>381447772
The Xenosaga games are not religious at all, but okay. Also they literally have Nietzsche in the title, what did you expect?

>>381448479
>The Xenosaga games are not religious at all, but okay.
You can't be serious. Not saying they're trying to propagate religion, just that the writer clearly had quite the hard-on for religious themes.

>>381448628
Philosophy isn't religion.

>>381448479
Wasn't the whole purpose of KOS-MOS and T-elos was for them to merge to become Mary Magdeline?

>>381448694
...did you even play the games? chaos literally turned out to be Jesus.

>>381448798
Yes. Yes it was.

>tfw will never ever know the true story of Xenogear and Xenosaga

Takahashi had a hard life. Gotta be happy for the man now that Xeno series is more well known.

Why Nietzsche subtitles anyway?

because it was the early 2000s and it was cool as fuck!

see:
MGS2
Zone Of The Enders
Silent Hill

>>381448873
Not quite, he was his disciple, you see him attending one of Jesus' sermons in Episode III.

>>381449083
Because they fit the context of the games.

>>381449026
Literally the last scene we get is of a broken KOS-MOS floating towards the planet Xenogears takes place in.

The fact that the series will never be concluded still makes me rage.

Isn't Nietzsche just lolgodisdead and morality doesn't exist and everyone should just do what they please?
How does that fit the Xenosaga games at all

>>381448141
This

>>381449509
>spoiler
Why would it be Xenogears' planet? It's much more likely to be Lost Jerusalem, which is where everyone wanted to go all along and which got pulled out of dimensional shift after destroying Zarathustra.

>>381448479
>>381448798
And let's not forget chaos was actually the one performing Jesus's miracles

>>381449795
Isn't that where Xenogears takes place? Shit I don't remember anything from Gears now. I have to replay it.

>>381449583
No, no it isn't. You should go through some of his books, at least read Thus Spoke Zarathustra.
Shit is actually pretty interesting and still feels modern even though it was written well over a century ago

Only thing I didn't like about Episode 3 was how whiny Shion was. The scene where KOS-MOS knocks her the fuck out was hilarious.

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What's wrong with that?

>>381450021
Lost Jerusalem = Earth, anon

>>381450034
The Gay Science is better tbqh

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>>381449509
W-Wait. That wasn't Earth she was floating towards?

>>381450426
I thought it was, and I thought that was where Xenogears takes place. But fuck if I know now.

>>381450216
It's cliche and not actual deep story telling, that's what.

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>>381450021

>>381450136
>Only thing I didn't like about Episode 3 was how whiny Shion was.
Shion was pretty much an unlikable bitch for the entire series.

>>381447772
We went from religious symbolism to religious symbolism to "OI SHOOOLK" to religious symbolism to "I'LL KILL YOU part 2"

>found my old copy of ep 1
>pop it in
>still plays smooth
>get up to the final area
>fighting that big fucker right off the elevator
>can't win
god damn it

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Underrated villain.

>>381450736
ps2 era was the peak of turn based combat, they are far more difficult than mobile handheld counterparts

>>381447772
>like you have ever played it.

>>381450553
Meh, as someone who wasn't interested in futuristic space scenarios, it was good enough to create an impression of possible ways to get out of this hellhole of a planet.

>>381450890
That's not Yuriev. Also, whatever happened to Sellers?

>love KOS-MOS
>her voice is pure sex
>can't wait for episode 2
>see KOS-MOS's design, eh whatever
>hear her voice
>what the fuck

>>381450890
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o31G8cGzrFg

>>381451047
I still love Kos-mos.

>>381450553
name one modern game with deep story telling, or better yet tell us what game you think has deep story telling

don't worry, we will judge you, greatly

>>381450918
It's not even the difficulty of the boss, just the fucking forgetfulness I suffered in not doing some of the sidequests, so my eggs are all underequipped

>>381451047
Everyone complained about that but I couldn't even tell the difference. I couldn't even tell the difference between any of the new voice actors and the originals. If I didn't know better, I would have thought they were the same person. I don't know if that makes me more or less autistic than your average fan.

>>381451176
Her Episode 2 voice was terrible though, I'm glad they changed back for Episode 3.

>>381451047
Anon she was played by Mariko Suzuki in all three games.

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>Takahashi will never make a good single player RPG again

>>381451394
that's what happens when you're not allowed creative freedom to be a religion-bashing fedora wearer. The quality really does suffer.

>>381451180
>name one modern game with deep story telling
I don't play modern games so I guess you've got me there.

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>>381451394
It still hurts anon. But what hurts even more is that his games are going for mainstream appeal.

>>381450518
To the confused anon: >>381450676
Xenosaga is supposed to be a retelling of Episode I of Xenogears, but in the end it barely actually touched upon it, and only did so by having Abel and Elly (called Nephilim there) around, them being of course the souls who eventually reincarnate into Xenogears' Fei and Elly. There is no Deus system spoken of in Xenosaga and the party is trying to find Earth instead. The Deus system which is so important to Gears' plot is really just a weapon that was being carried on the ship Eldridge which crashes on the Xenogears' planet in a similar time period to that Xenosaga takes place in. Abel and Elly were on that ship and you can read the rest in that image.

Incidentally, you might notice how Xenoblade X is pretty much once again a retelling of Episode I, just with aliens thrown in and a different reason for the spaceship to crash on the alien planet.

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>>381451047

>>381451704
Xenoblade X is probably the closest Takahashi has ever gotten to Xenosaga, but in order to get anywhere near that part of the game you have to invest a good 100 hours for an average player, and even then the story ends right when it started to get good.

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>>381451176
Telos is the superior Gynoid.

Do these emulate well? Is Xenogears essential to enjoying the storyline?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8L3Zw59Z1Zw

>>381452104
>Is Xenogears essential to enjoying the storyline?
Not at all, they barely have anything to do with it. Not sure about the other question though.

>>381451990
It's not that different from how Xenosaga Episode I is structured though, in fact the latter is even more of a gigantic setup with no payoff than Xenoblade X. At least in X you get a few answers by the time the game ends, while in Xenosaga there are snippets in Episode II and 90% of the answers are crammed into Episode III.

>>381450736
That boss isn't that difficult, though. Just make sure you stay alive, and it'll go down in time. I almost got cheesed with consecutive critical hits, but I managed pretty well.

>>381447957
absolutely fantastic

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>>381447772
You are in the wrong web portal, reddit is that way, fedora-kun.

>>381450890
He scares me sometimes.

>>381451704
I'm starting to see a pattern.

>>381452104
>Do these emulate well?
If you have a fast CPU yeah, the biggest challenge is PCSX2 really doesn't like the reflections this game uses so the game tends to crawl if you don't have an overkill CPU.

>Xenogears essential to enjoying the storyline?
No, but you should play it anyway considering saga references it heavily. There are a lot of little nods for people who have played both.

>>381452230
Yeah that's my whole issue, I just didn't really grind at all and don't have proper gear on my AGWS so i'm sitting with momo spamming heals and swapping in and out of AGWS to draw fire to one person at a time.

>>381447772
This series and Shadow Hearts are some of my favorite jrpg series

>>381452104
Played through all 3 games back in 2010. Apart from having to use a Beta build to switch discs in Ep 2, there were no major issues.

It should run flawlessly by now.

>>381452104
>>381452386
>>381452459
>not just playing on the original hardware
I want plebs to leave.

>>381452386
>There are a lot of little nods for people who have played both
>those pastiches of Maria and Seibzehn in the "time-travel-but-actually-Shion's-subconscious-domain" in Episode III
I still don't get the point.

>>381452404
>AGWS
AGWS are shit.
>didn't grind at all
You don't need to.

>>381452201
Did people complain about Xenosaga ending on a cliffhanger before the sequel as announced? Every goddamn X thread is muh music, muh story.

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>>381452660
There is no point, it's just a reference.

>>381450736
Erde Kaiser parts were ridiculously easy to find.
Leaves the boss with just a sliver of life left just enough for KOS-MOS's X-Buster to finish off for a dramatic finish.

>>381452660
>maria and balthazar
her grandfather is one of the sages, another being shion's descendent, gaspar. Probably some sort of connection there, but i'd imagine it's just a reference for reference's sake.

>>381453005
I was in Europe so I had no idea the Xeno series even existed. I think they announced it as six games even before the first one came out though.

>>381452637

I'm from Europe, Ep 1 and 3 were not released here while 2, strangely enough, was.
You really expect me to import expensive end of production games, additionally paying customs fee and tax, to play on a region-locked console I have to crack somehow when I can just emulate?

>>381453005
It was announced as a series before the first game came out. They even had articles talking about how you were going to be able to carry over your save data and keep your levels, money and equipment between games and that ended up being bullshit.

I think the original plan was 5 games or something which got cut down to 3 and when that happened all the original plans for how the series was going to go got thrown out the window.

>>381453340
Yes.

Was I the only one wanting to hate-fuck Shion?

>>381452104
Yes and no. They're connected on a meta level, but not on a canon level. I think you'd be doing yourself a disservice if you didn't play Xenogears and read the first part of Perfect Works at some point if you plan to play Xenosaga.

>>381453295
>announced it as six games even before the first one came out

That would explain it. That would also explain why people complained more about the 2nd game.

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>>381452637
original hardware can eat my dick

>>381453548
I wanted to hate-murder Shion. That one battle towards the end where you get to attack her was so therapeutic.

>>381453548
I want to console her for being so wrongfully hated by everyone. She made the right choice, even if it was for the wrong reason.

>>381453614
Plus, Xenogears is a great game in and of itself.

>>381449196
But Wilhelm calls him Yeshua which is Hebrew for Jesus and he's the one who made miracles happen. Not to mention the guy can survive in space without a space suit and he can purify Gnosis.

>>381453548
Only in the third game, really. Aside from being kind of shitty towards Miyuki and Allen, she wasn't that bad.
>Are you okay, Shion?
>'I'm fine.'
>"The bitch just collapsed for the 12 damn time; she is not fine."

>>381453706
From what I've read over the years, it wasn't even meant to focus on Shion's party throughout all six games. It was meant to focus on them only for the first two games and then shift to other characters and time periods (presumably to cover the various episodes of the Xenogears lore). But then they immediately ran into time/budget issues and the planned Episode I was split into what became Episode I and Episode II, and since the first game ended up not selling as much as Namco wanted, the team at Monolith Soft got heavily shuffled around leading to the massive differences Episode II presented. Of course, those ended up being even less popular, so Namco just pulled the plug and told them to close things off with just one more game. Even so, while Episode III does answer most things from that part of the story one way or another, there's still stuff missing that's just touched upon in a monologue at the start of the game and around which you could base a whole other game.

>>381454147
>Not to mention the guy can survive in space without a space suit
So can Batman. Is Batman Jesus?

>>381454380
When has Batman survived in Space without being in a machine providing him oxygen or having a space suit on or being a green lantern.

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>>381453994
>wrongfully

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>undub
>cleared that HaKox mini game with kid brother, thus DEEPening our bond

Although the story-telling was typically cliched and shallow, I was awestruck by the sheer scale of the plot. That final scene will forever hold a special place in my heart. Brilliant way to end the series

>>381454267
>Even so, while Episode III does answer most things from that part of the story one way or another, there's still stuff missing that's just touched upon in a monologue at the start of the game and around which you could base a whole other game.

Yeah, the budget cuts in III were extremely obvious, although the game looked, sounded and played a lot more polished. But the insane boss rush in the last 5 hours of the game, where all major characters are killed off gives it away.

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>>381454772
Get off of 4chan, Allen.

>>381454195
>Only played Episode III for some reason
>Know jack shit about the previous story
>also be 12 y/o when first played in 2006, so not much reading in backstory in files aside from sci-fi stuff
>Only knew Shion was widely hated when I first visited /v/
>tfw didn't hate Shion aside from that betrayal near the end.

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>Xenosaga III was released 11 years ago

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>>381455035
What's with Monolith Soft and pussy-whipped military guys?

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So is the anime essential to the plot I remember after the first game all the other media was supposed to fill in the gaps between games and I can't remember if the anime was one of them.

>>381455325
It was genuinely the worst anime I've ever seen in my life.

>>381455325
No, and
>that face
I'm not watching that shit.

>>381455035
Allen wasn't military. He was literally a researcher, who was like lowest on the pay grade.

Honestly, I hated his character and didn't think it was needed whatsoever.

>>381453180
>tfw you beat episode 1 on a cfw ps3 which makes getting erde kaiser impossible
You lot are casuals.

>>381455210
Get a load of this: Xenosaga Episode III was released after Final Fantasy Versus XIII was announced. Monolith Soft released Episode III, Xenoblade and Xenoblade X in the time it took for VersusXIII/XV to be released, on top of other games like Soma Bringer and Disaster Day of Crisis, and are going to release Xenoblade 2 well before FFXV gets all its story DLC to complete the plot.

>>381455325
The anime is literally just Episode I and is worse in every way.

>>381455429
There was never any chemistry between him and Shion. Their entire relationship felt so contrived. He must have been the self insert for the Hikkikomori in the audience.

>>381455325
Nah. A Missing Year is the gap filler between episodes 2 and 3. And Pied Piper isn't a gap filler, but a prequel about Ziggy's life as a human.

>>381447772
So I know Episode 2 was shit and also focused the most on Rubedo

Is it true though that by the time you actually get to the part where you're doing some dungeon that was in the memory mindscape of Momo I think, you're already like 80% through the game?

>>381455615
This. Shion kind of turned out to be a cunt too in the end though, so I guess it fit that she got worse guy.

>>381455721
I don't remember exactly, but it is a short game if you ignore the side quests. And the side quests very much should be ignored, I haven't played a game with more annoying ones.

>>381455721
I think that's the end of the first disk so it's more like 50-60% of the way though.

>>381455325
No, it was a generally pretty faithful retelling of Episode I but so rushed that you couldn't possibly hope to understand anything if you hadn't played the game beforehand and it changed a few things around, like replacing Cherenkov with Virgil, skipping the giant gnosis (where Cherenkov died in the game) and humanizing Virgil more. Episode III Virgil was a lot closer to his anime depiction than his Episode I one too.

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>>381447772
who the fuck cares

>>381453093
Oh god why the hell I forgot she existed? Well I remember her being a remodeled Maria when her mech arrived.

>>381455721
>Momo's subconscious
Less than halfway into the game. Maybe 1/3.

>>381456632
Totally wasted character.

Fedoras weren't as popular back then.

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>>381447772
Because since Takahashi can't continue his own Xenogears story, he has to make what are essentially chinese bootlegs of Xenogears.
>Look. Religious themes like Xenogears!
>Look, the Zophar! just like Xenogears!
>Look, Lost Jerusalem, like in Xenogears!

>>381450518
Pretty sure Xenogears doesn't take place on earth. In fact, that was one of my favorite aspects of the plot, that the planet they were on was not in fact their own (something they didn't know).

>>381453496
The original plan was seven games. Which is honestly pretty ludicrous. The only way such a project could be completed is if Takahashi made everyone sign a blood pact.

>>381457521
Funny because this is actually the exact opposite of the truth.

Oh boy 300 hours of cutscenes. Sure do love this """""Game""""""

>>381453496
>that ended up being bullshit.
Well, you did get swimsuits.

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>>381447772
What's wrong with religion?

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Remember when JRPGs had inexplicable card games built into them?

>>381447957
1 is good but outdated, 2 is the worst xeno game, 3 is great but still a step beneath gears/blade/bladeX

play these only after you played gears/blade/bladex

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>>381458230
Hell yeah, I do. Remember when those card games allowed you to totally fuck the battle mechanics of the game?

>>381458342
>1 is good but outdated
What's outdated about it, relative to the others?

>>381458702
Well the characters all look like creepy, mindless dolls for one. But the main issue, I think, is how slow battles are.

>>381458702
It's hard to explain, the combat is clunky as shit with an odd experimental skill system. The level design is also pretty fucking weird. There is 0 area music with the exception of the final area

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>>381448372
Shit taste confirm

>>381458702
It just lacks the quality of life improvements made in 3.

>>381455035
Shion was such a cunt.

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>>381459372
>quality of life improvements

>>381458583
Yeah, to the point where people excused the normal means of using mechanics of the game.
>>381458878
Not him, but the battle system, generally speaking, is slow and tedious. Respawning enemies don't help. Upgrading tech skill speed only helps so much. Backtracking can be a pain, as you're only able to leave(you backtrack by entering VR, basically) at exit points that are spread throughout the level, instead of leaving whenever you felt like. Aside from that, I can't say it's too "outdated".

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>>381447772
i want to fuck that robot.

I liked how fast, and smooth XS3's battle system was. Also, I liked watching MOMO punch the shit out of things. She's built pretty tough.

>>381451180
Mass effect last of us

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Why does everyone hate the battle system in the second game?

>>381450676
Why he don't just make a LN for all this shit?

>>381460027
>Mass Effect
In terms of technical plausibility (Mass Relay > U.M.N), I'll give Ass Effect that one. But the actual story? Hell no

>>381460584
Because it's different, presumably. It's really not that bad once you get used to it.

>>381460584
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: They don't how to play the game.

>>381460584
it's tedious as fuck. a random encounter takes several minutes even if you know what you're doing.

>>381461090
Don't hate the player, hate the game.

>>381457554
The story of the Xeno franchise is kinda a pathetic one.

Takahashi working at Square comes up with this massive super intricate proposal for the next Final Fantasy game with his college and future wife and shows it off to his bosses, they were impressed but they told him it was too dark to be Final Fantasy VII even though a lot of the ideas presented in that proposal ended up in Final Fantasy VII anyway. They gave him a small team and budget and told him if his game was a hit they could make a sequel. The team was mostly newbies and the budget was half as large as it would need to be to make the game. Xenogears comes out and it does just under the sequel threshold. Annoyed by this Takahashi leaves square and shops around to other publishers with his idea for this grand epic he's dying to make and eventually comes to Namco who tells him alright we'll make your super massive epic so long as the first one is a hit. Xenosaga I comes out and it does just well enough to get more but Namco having some rough times decided to dramatically cut down on the series. Apparently this is such a blow his wife nearly killed herself, he got depressed, and Xenosaga II was the result. Apparently he also thought of Xeno as a competitor to Final Fantasy but FFX totally kicked his ass at this point and that also got under his skin. Then after episode 3 Namco drops them and Nintendo buys them up. Then they make Xenoblade which does alright, but doesn't get a western release until much later for some reason and again does alright. Despite that it gets internet popular after the fact and becomes his first real hit to date even though it has nothing to do with that epic he's been trying to make on and off his whole career, so he makes X which is Xenogears episode 1 again, only for it to sell "alright" again. It's the story of one man trying desperately to tell his epic and it never working out for him.

>>381458878
>Well the characters all look like creepy, mindless dolls for one.
KOS-MOS is a creepy, mindless doll.

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All i need to know that, is it grind heavy?

SMT is like the only turnbased game series i can stomach because i hate grinding shit

>>381455615
Don't know if it was just me but there was some going on between shion and kosmos but they went with this bitch ass

>>381461591
Not really grind heavy but very linear.

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>>381461568
>KOS-MOS is a creepy, mindless doll.
DELETE THIS

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>>381456632
>Korean T-elos

>>381461591
How do you define grinding? I don't think there's really any JRPG released since the SNES that's been grindy at all. Even some NES games aren't grindy.

>>381461534
>he makes X which is Xenogears episode 1 again, only for it to sell "alright" again
I'm sure he can make X2 if he wants, he said in an E3 interview that he'd like to alternate between the more linear style of Xenoblade and the more open-world style of X.

>>381460749
Xenosaga technology rapes Mass Effect

>>381447772
Shion is literally one of the most unlikable worst jrpg protagonists ever
Fucking annoying cunt
She was only ever decent in I because her true character had yet to be revealed back then
>bitch to her brother who did nothing wrong
>muh kevin x1000
>actually betrays party for muh kevin
Party should have just offer her then

>>381448141
Still doesn't touch Xenogears, I don't think any game will.

>>381462126
Yeah but I'm not comparing which can wreck shit up though.

>>381462029
>I don't think there's really any JRPG released since the SNES that's been grindy at all

DDS, literally have a separate meter for getting skills outside usual XP and becomes a slog to get skills

>>381462396
Yeah the game with a VN tier disc 2? lmfao

>>381462671
VNs are better than JRPGs.

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>>381462794
>VNs are better than JRPGs

Interactive picture books with no gameplay better than anything really?

>>381462671
It's forgivable, the story was so damn good.

>>381462445
Makes for Good cross fuck sadly no one's done yet

>>381463178
>he requires his stories to be interactive
>being this ADHD
Do you like it when people jangle keys in front of your face too?

>>381463178
JRPGs are the exact same thing, the only difference is JRPGs make you roam around and engage in laughably easy battles where you select the same attacks turn after turn fight after fight until you get to the next bit of story. VNs just skip the bullshit.

>>381447957
1: top-tier plot, directing and characters, shit graphics, shit chara and mecha design, ok combat, shit exploration, ok music. Overall: ok
2: good plot, directing and characters, ok graphics, horrible chara design, godlike mecha design, ok combat, shit exploration, shit music. Overall: meh
3: flawed plot, directing and characters, great graphics, godlike character and mecha design, ok combat, ok exploration, ok music. Overall: good

>>381463345
>he requires his stories to be interactive

That's what VN's are, literally interactive picture books, go read a real book cuck

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>>381450890
Albedo did nothing wrong.

>>381447772
What the fuck is up with the random german over there

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>>381463586
>JRPGs are the exact same thing,

Except they have gameplay and boss fights.

VN's in 9/10 times have gabrage stories and you will have to suffer through that whack shit since that's the only thing VN's have to offer.

Unless the VN has gameplay elements they aren't worth shit.

Reminder that A FUCKING LEAF destroyed Lost Jerusalem.

>>381463632
>being this assblasted that technology is progressing that books are becoming obsolete
Better memorize all of those orally-transmitted epics anon or else it will be forgotten forever.

Where is my xenosaga remakes fuck.

>>381463632
>no story branches
gay, I'll stick to VNs

>>381464020
That's after the Xenogears remake with a complete Disc 2

>>381463845
>>Except they have gameplay and boss fights.
So you mean laughably easy battles where you select the same attacks turn after turn fight after fight? How is this a rebuttal?

DUDE NIETSZCHE LMAO

>>381454147
>Yeshua
Also hebrew for Joseph

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>>381463814
I unironically love the DISC 1 models.

>>381463891
Kek books will NEVER be obsolete, VN's are literally IRRELEVANT, go ask anyone what the fuck is a VN and you won't hear shit, not one good VN dropped in the past 5 years

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>Replay DISC 1
>Get my ass handed by it's difficulty
How did young me ever finish this game, hot damn.

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>>381464113
This.

>>381464263
>So you mean laughably easy battles where you select the same attacks turn after turn fight after fight? How is this a rebuttal?

>i have played Dragons Quest and Persona only and think my opinions are relevant

Go play Ys games on nightmare mode and try that cuck.

>>381464550
>Go play Ys games
Nah, bumper cars are for children.

>>381464106
A lot of VN's have pointless branches where there's a single true end so every other ending is irrelevant, it's very rare where each ending is equal to each other

>>381464486
Young you had more imagination and thus had enough patience to grind because you were actually entertained by the setting and characters. Current you just wants to get the game over with as quickly as possible because you've got work in the morning.

>>381464653
They haven't had the bump system in a while and ditched that since oath

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>>381464693
So like every other video game I play.

>>381464334
>It's not good if it's not popular

>>381464113
If I ever won the lottery, I would like blow it all trying to get a Xenogears remake made and then blow my brains out once all the money was gone and disc 2 still wasn't completed.

>>381464334
They said the same with Radio when the TV was still burgeoning and only accessible to few and this happened

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iwuy4hHO3YQ

>>381465670
Not that anon, but books will always be around, or at least the next 100 or so years, which is close enough to forever.
Doesn't mean the VN won't see a spike though.

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>>381447772

Its funny I run across a Xenosaga / gears thread.

I was just wondering if they would consider a xenogears remake if they don't ever return to the thought of a xenosaga hd collection. The main problem with that is while the xeno games are popular apparently there wasn't enough interest for them to justify to do so.

They even said 'we can't have the same people asking over and over'.

But I guess the thing is xenoblade stuff now.

>>381466429
Didn't even deny that books will not be obsolete. As per my example, radio is still around but only stuck within dashboards rather than something everyone has at home back in the day. Even then, books are gradually replaced by electronic ones.

People need to get the fuck over remakes and fast. They're never good, stop asking for them, stop wishing for them, just enjoy the original.

>>381466783
>Even then, books are gradually replaced by electronic ones.
Save for the stubborn few.

...which I'm one of.
Reading an e-book just isn't the same too me, but I'm borderline crazy.

>>381463606
>shit to just "ok" music

Episode III's music is the best out of the bunch to me.

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>>381466949

>Enjoy the original because fuck remakes and hd collections

Why do people get so butt blasted when companies try to be nice and go:

'Hey we realize not everyone plays all of their consoles so we're re-releasing them for you to play today.'

>REEEE NOOO FUCKING CASH GRAB

If you don't like it when companies do that fine, don't be a faggot about it

I'm not even defending them its just stupid when people think they shouldn't be made when others would gladly pay for them.

Here's a tip: Don't buy it. Let other people enjoy it then

>>381461534
Hasn't he said he's pretty happy with how much freedom Nintendo gives him? Seems like he's in a good spot.

>>381466949
While I agree the remake trend is going out of hand, Xenogears direly needs one as it is incomplete and they still have a chance to complete it as long as they don't touch anything with the main story.

>>381467738
Well said. Nothing wrong with a remake or release on a new console. Not everyone has a functioning PS2 so they can enjoy the old games. I'm lucky to have my fat PS2 still work even now.

>>381467738
Why are you getting angry at the straw man you built up for yourself? I have nothing against re-releases, ports, or remasters. Remakes are shit.
>>381467935
No matter how much it "needs" one, you're not going to get the same people developing it and it's not going to live up to the original as a result.

>>381467092
Your kids won't feel the same way, they'll grow up in an age where digital/ebooks have all but replaced printed sheets of paper. At that point, when they grow up, the book will be all but dead for the vast majority.

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do these games emulate ok?

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>>381447772

Xenosaga series will forever be the poster boy example of what happens when you put more attention on your villains than your protagonists.

>>381448628
>>381448694
>not religious

chaos is clearly Jesus fucking Christ. His name is Yeshua and all that shit.

Dude.

>>381468226

Gears and Saga 3 work fine. I haven't tried emulating the rest.

>>381465384
How would that even work? Would you just give money to squareenix or monolith soft? How would you convince anyone this was a good idea?

Say you won that 447.8 million powerball how would you even broker this deal?

>>381468386
>chaos is clearly Jesus fucking Christ

He was one of the disciples, not Jesus. Did you even play the game?

>>381468337
More like the poster boy of what happens when you run out of money.

>>381468594
He was, for all intents and purposes, Jesus Christ.

There's a guy pretending to be him and chaos does the actual miracle work.

>>381447772
Kid-me didn't pay that much attention to the story I just liked turn-based rpgs. And I was going through puberty and KOS-MOS made me feel funny things.

Been thinking of replaying this. All I can remember is that chaos is Jesus, and the cloaked and hooded guys were bullshit and made me rage-quit 3.

>>381469106
>hooded guys were bullshit and made me rage-quit 3.
I hope you mean the characters and not the boss fights. They're all stupidly easy.

>>381447772
It's allowed because creative freedom is a thing.

>>381469464
Why would anyone RQ due to shitty characters? I'm leaning over to the latter

>>381469464
I didn't grind in rpgs as a kid. And I tended to start running from every fight a quarter of the way into them.

So I was severely under-leveled at the time.

>>381469651
Dude, there is absolutely no need to grind in these games. XSIII is the easiest of the 3. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt since you were a kid, but they are actually stupidly easy in an already easy game.

>I started to run from every fight
I believe that. There's a very annoying amount of random battles in the game.

>>381447772
I hate this fucking trilogy so much.

>>381467910
>happy with Nintendo
>forced to made generic shonen anime instead of sprawling philosophical sci-fi

>>381447772

>t. christfag
>t. assravaged evafag
>t. tarofag
>t. dum dum

take your pick. the nips just use christianity like we use Norse lore.

>>381470145
>forced to made generic shonen anime instead of sprawling philosophical sci-fi
Fuck off. Takahashi's attempts at those were all messy clusterfucks. Say what you will about Xenogears as a plot, but as a game it was a total mess. Narrowing the scope actually helped make a much better game in Xenoblade's case.

>>381464653
>bumper
They ditched that in the mid-90's, starting with Ys 5, famalam. Ark of Naphistim to Origin is basically isometric Kingdom Hearts.

>>381471152
If I recall right, didn't the game imply that chaos secretly handled all the magical bullshit that Jesus was credited for?

>>381470718
>Narrowing the scope actually helped make a much better game in Xenoblade's case.

Glad I'm not the only one sees this.

>>381471561
Yeah

>>381471561
You recall correctly.

>>381471152
So this is what Caska did while Guts was off killing apostles.

>>381447772
Nothing wrong with it, japs love to grab symbols from different cultures and creature new settings out of them. Western devs on the other hand feel the need to make everything a political statement

>>381452291
I was like 10 or 11 the first time I saw those cutscenes with him and momo on the song of nephilim. good times.

>>381447772
Because copy pasting a religious text and just changing names and settings will make for a pretty decent story even if you are actually a hack writer.

>>381453340
Apparently whoever localized bandai-namco games in europe didn't expect episode 1 to sell well enough to merit localizing. Then, when episode 1's sales were kind of good, they decided to take a crack at the series with 2. Didn't go well because 2 went through development hell and came out seriously flawed for it (don't get me wrong, I like it nearly as much as the other two) so when 3 came around the localizers were like "nah not worth the risk after all"

>>381447772
Why should it NOT be allowed, you fat sperg?

>>381473328
Bad writing.

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>>381454267
>around which you could base a whole nother game

Especially if they depict in more detail the events of Shion wanting to quit vector, actually doing it, and then depicting the process of shion finding and getting in with scientia. you could make at least a third of a xenosaga game out of that alone.

And on top of that, there's stuff that the monoloque doesn't even touch on that I read about in the in-game wiki/database/whatever. Apparently some time in that grimoire incident or whatever it was called there was a time that nephilim used a realian made in her image to have a tangible body? like what?


Also, since it's a xeno thread that's actually about xenosaga I don't know why the hell I'm not dumping what little fanart I have

>>381468037
I would imagine the world would be a very different place when everyone in their late 20's/early 30's is dead and gone.

>>381473786
What you're talking about is all told in A Missing Year

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>>381461591

Well first up, these games have relatively complicated mechanics and nearly all are doable without grinding if you know how to play the game system just right. I once beat the first margulis battle (the series' one and only boss where losing progresses the game anyway) without grinding any levels or even ether/tech/skill points.

1st game: you'll do a lot of gold-grinding if you want to stay on top of the equipment and AGWS, but if you do that you won't need any additional grinding for exp. Especially if you know the game like I said before. Just make sure to have your equipment up-to-date before: Entering the encephalon to retrieve KOS-MOS's footage, and entering the song of nephilim.

2nd game: this one has the highest skill ceiling but is also the most difficult, the amount of grinding you'll need to do varies from minimal to a shitload depending on how gud you git. Alternatively, you can spend ~2.5 hours grinding shion to level 40 or so in the dammerung and smash everything short of the Omega system afterward.

3rd game: Even on my maiden playthrough I never got stuck on a single boss and never ground any levels either, just make sure you don't pass up on any battles you know you can win (which is like all of them) and your party will keep plenty strong enough.

>>381473786
>JrxMomo
Why didn't those to actually become a couple? They're sexless bio-androids?

>>381467664
Honestly I loved all the game's soundtracks to death, but I'd have to (painfully) call 3 my least favorite just by virtue of having the fewest of my favorite songs out of the 3.

The shift in music style from 1 to 2 was jarring, sure, but I always thought it fit the series tone just as well since the series slowly backed off on the sci-fi and cranked up the mysticism as the plot progressed.

>>381463814
The character designs in XS1 and 2 as soooo bad.

>>381468725

Except it never did. Just sales.

>>381468337
Shion maybe, but one of the things that xenosaga has about most other JRPGs was that each character had their own entire arc (or multiple) of character conflicts that were all relevant to the plot in unique ways (even if to varying extents, you can't say Ziggy's as important as KOS-MOS after all)

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>>381475218
>The character designs in XS1 and 2 as soooo bad.
>XS1
Get some fucking taste.

How do these emulate? I havnt played the series in years and wanna try over.

>>381475563
played em at 4x resolution at 60fps, can probably do 8x if you have a good rig

>>381459410
Well she was dying and suffering from migraines. Basically every game she got bitchier and bitchier until she was finally free from U-DO

>>381475481
They're terrible, dude.

Shion's got that stupid braided uh... appendage. Momo's got a major case of potato face. Junior just looks dumb in that trench coat. chaos is wearing fucking booty shorts over a jumpsuit. They're awful.

Hell, Xenosaga in general is awful. Goddamn dregs from Xenogears' idea barrel. What a shitshow of a series. Not even hot killer robots could salvage it.

>>381468554
Get deep enought into the business of venture capitalism to know how to pass off/act as an investor, contact Takahashi stating that you would be willing to fund a remake if he could find a willing team, and then he (and possibly you alongside him) would take the idea to monolith's CEO/ninty exectutives for the green light.


Trouble is, how'd you convince nintendo to actually do it? Gears's tone and subject matter is a bit darker and grittier than that of the blade titles, NOJ might go through with it if they think they can at least turn a profit but good luck convincing NOA/possibly NOE that it won't cause too much controversy in today's thin-skinned western society. Seriously can you imagine the lawsuits and sales bans if a villain like Albedo were to happen today? I know albedo's not actually form gears, but still.

>>381475347
>Just sales.
Which means it didn't continue to get funded, i.e. running out of money.
>>381475563
That's been asked a few times already. It apparently emulates pretty well.
>>381475481
MOMO looks so much better in other games, man.
>>381475942
I like Shion's design, personally. Totally overlooked Chaos' pants, though. You got me there.

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It will never be translated

>>381475481
He's right, 3 had some of the best character design in jrpg though.
In fact 3 alone redeem 1/2 being this mediocre. I just wish Takahashi could make 4/5/6 with the same style

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>>381474973
Because Jr. resolved to look for earth and MOMO's expertise was non-negotiable on the topic of rebuilding the UMN if I recall. In all fairness they did everything they could to imply they'd become a couple once they grow to fully understood sex and romance.

>>381461090
>>381460803
You faggots are wrong
It's slow, boring, and every single fight ends up being the exact same once you figure out how it works
It makes every battle a slog and most of the other characters are useless

>>381476314
>I just wish Takahashi could make 4/5/6 with the same style
What the fuck were those gonna add? The first three games' plot already sucked balls. There was no salvaging it.

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Reminder this exists

http://www.randombursts.com/projects/xenosaga/perfect_guide.pdf

>The upper and lower domains are each but one of the elements that make up the universe. Moreover, it can
be thought that many lower domains exist. Also, fundamentally, it is impossible for existences of the lower
domain to recognize the upper. However, as seen in the diagram, due to U-Do's interference, it becomes
possible for the lower domain to recognize U-Do. In that kind of state, if it is possible to access U-Do from
the lower domain, then a vast amount of energy from the upper domain can flow into the lower.

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>>381475942
To be fair Jr. looked way dumber without the trenchcoat, at least until the better-proportioned III design. shit was in uncanny valley levels of thin

>>381476515
>It's slow, boring, and every single fight ends up being the exact same once you figure out how it works
So, like every other game in the series then?

>>381476234
I still have a copy of that in my desk, hoping for a fan translation.
I was following one years ago, but I think progress kind of crawled to a halt.

>>381476517
The first three games were part 1 of 3 parts. Part 2 would be on Lost Jerusalem when the 10,000 years bought at the end of Xenosaga Episode 3 are about to run out, and part 3 would have been the end of the story which has never been detailed whatsoever

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>>381476234
Mor than anything else I"m just assmad they didn't have the talent/time/memory to have Ep 2 KOS-MOS's jell-o flesh be transparent.

>>381476790
Pic-related? I don't like it.

>>381476731
The last update for that is in 2014, and the last update for the guy's site in general is 2015. It's dead

It's a shame, I remember hearing it including all the story beats that got cut out of Episode 1 and 2

>>381476234
Nothing of value will be gained from a translation. Xenosaga's story is garbo.

>>381447772
>>dude, religious symbolism LMAO
>Why is this allowed?
Because it's cool to explore foreign culture in a work of art/toy/product.

>>381476790
I want to impregnate that womb

>>381476515
>It's slow
Not if you know how to fight enemies.
>boring
To each his own.
>ends up being the same once you figure out how it works
Welcome to every RPG ever.

>every battle is a slog
If it's a slog in this game, then it's even worse in I and III, especially since both feature instantly respawning enemies. Hell, Xenosaga even makes it hard to run from enemies in a lot of cases, since you can't always get around them.
>most of the other characters are useless
There isn't a useless character in the game, outside of maybe Shion against Gnosis.

>>381477373
That's a god damn shame.
Honestly makes me a bit sad, I loved Xenogears and Saga as a kid, was hoping to get to play the DS one at some point, without learning Japanese.

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>>381476953
Huh. I think it's the shit, although my one complaint about the design is that there aren't any kind of artificial muscles or other servos visible. Interesting take on what her construction might be like, but not quite all the way there

>>381476234
Time to learn some nip.

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>>381477661
but there's clearly no womb there, just some sci-fi bullshit particle cannon for some stupid reason

>>381477776
>If it's a slog in this game, then it's even worse in I and III
bullshit, especially with the long ass loading times for each battle. I 100%'d that trainwreck since I was a Xeno series fanboy, 2 was awful. The music was the best part

>>381477879
Hey, whatever floats your boat. Honestly It gives off an unsettling vibe to me. I can give some credit for it being a unique design at least.

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>>381478156
the loading times were like 5 seconds max. 10 every great once in a while, rarely over 2.

>>381478156
>loading times
The first game has plenty of loading times as well. Moreover, it has long animations to play through as well. God forbid you run into more than one row of enemies, seeing as to how you don't get moves that hit all enemies until around level 27.

>>381477935
I've heard that the reason the fan translation stopped was because of the level of Japanese knowledge needed to translated and understand what was going on would be very high. Seems like a very difficult undertaking. Not something that would come easily after jumping into learning the language in a few months.

>>381478405
>>381478343
I can't believe the bullshit I'm reading right now
2 apologists are actually lying
People will truly defend anything

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>>381478280
I don't find it unsettling at all, just curious and really cool. It helps that it more or less matches the anatomy of my vision of an ideal prosthetic anyway, what with the artificial bone and muscle mimics and shit

>>381477373
>includes all of the story that got cut out of Episodes 1 and 2

Where did you read about this? That would be great if true. Reading about what was left out of the game pissed me off a bit.

>>381478528
I'm not apologizing for anything. Your criticisms are not exclusive to one game.
>>381478506
I guess the next best option is machine translating.
>>381478645
You can read its wiki page.

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I still don't understand what the fucking Zohar is, or what Jesus did with this Lemegeton

>>381478528
You tried to emulate it on a shit processor didn't you

I played it on a ps2phat that had died and been repaired at least once and I get negligible loading for the battles

>>381478550
I have to admit, now I'm really curious to see just how that design would have been rendered with PS2 graphics despite how I personally feel about it.

>>381478645
It's on the game's wiki. For example, reaching Old Miltia in episode 2 actually had plot significance in the DS game

>>381478730
I think it's something like a door to the upper domain where UDO lies.

>>381478726
>>381478884
>The Episode II portion of the game has been completely rewritten by Xenosaga creator Tetsuya Takahashi, which expands and enhances the storyline. This fills in some of the holes caused by Episode II, allowing for a better understanding of the plot and reducing the amount of questions that will be unanswered in Episode III.

Interesting. No wonder fans are so pissed at the lack of a translation.

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>>381478730
to my recollection it was essentially a portal device to connect the lower and upper domains and pull energy from the upper into the lower, to take advantage of the fact that the upper domain's energy is effectively infinite in the scale of the lower domain. That or just some goof of the way the two domain's laws of physics differed, I don't remember. basically the zohar as I recall it is an infinite-energy device taking advantage of the upper domain's apparent superiority.

I haven't played the game recently enough to remember what exactly lemegeton is though. I think it has something to do with operating zarathustra, like the input code for what wilhelm does to reset the universe or something. Or maybe it's the input code for triggering the whole "upper domain destroys and swallows lower to preserve itself" ordeal, that is to say it's the code that initiates chaos's doomsday power.

>>381478786
probably badly since they didn't do it, the inspiration for the fanart was some promotional manga or something in which she was drawn with the jello transparent, so since it's official material that means that the jello is canonically transparent, exposing a bio-mimetic "skeleton" (this would have to be the case since she has lifelike joints and apparently pliable "flesh")

Knowing that I can only imagine they made it opaque because of a hardware or production limitation.

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Reminder that Ace Combat 4 and Zero were the only games that got religious/Arthurian symbolism right

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZBoiW460nU

>>381479309
http://xenosaga.wikia.com/wiki/Lemegeton

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>>381478730
Seeing the ancient ruins from that cutscene return in Ep 3 along with the og gnosis was cool. 1 definitely had the best gnosis designs, and I was pissed that plot-wise gnosis attacks were supposedly worsening intensely in frequency throughout and after the missing year, but no gnosis attacks befall the protagonists at all after the kukai foundation in episode 1

>>381479942
The plot armor was strong with the protags, anon.

>>381480305
Time and money were tight as well.

>>381463606
>top-tier plot
Holy shit, opinion immediately fucking discarded for you and your entire lineage forever and always.

Talk about an absolute abhorrent opinion.

>>381479826
Ah, I was unaware Nephilim had ever been an ordinary human, my mistake. Also that place is way less bare-bones than when I last visited it around '08

>>381478730
Its a cross, dude. Jesus was nailed to it.

>>381480394
Touché

>>381480674
>My mistake

It's cool. I wouldn't expect anyone to remember every single character, location, or plot device in Xenosaga. I was reminded of stuff I had long forgotten about in this thread alone.

>>381480608
Narrative, sure. Plot? Shit just git started in XS1. Hell, at the end of the Song of Nephilim, Shion herself states that she's confused and has no clue what the fuck is going on.

>>381480902
>I was reminded of stuff I had long forgotten about in this thread alone.
Yeah, I've been replaying XS1 on and off for the past half year or so, and I just recently realized that Virgil reappears in the game as a Testament.

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What the fuck was even that thing

>>381481084
Yeah, I remember for a while I'd forgotten that they ever showed the blue testament's face after the SoN dungeon and mistook the Naphtali battle for the reveal that he was revived as a testament.

>>381481450
I don't know but the Ortu Ria Hins/Lukia/Kufli enemies made for fun sport when I first found them

>>381481450
>ell, at the end of the Song of Nephilim, Shion herself states that she's confused and has no clue what the fuck is going on.
Gundam.

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Didn't mean to greentext.

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>>381464020
At this point I would settle for the three games just remastered and rereleased.

>>381480902
And apparently doctus was involved somehow and she and KOS-MOS fought? Yeah that really should have been made into a game, although even with the proper budget and time I don't think Monolith could have made the trilogy as we got it, plus all this, plus all the stuff that got cut out of 1/2, in just 2 games. They would have been long to a fault, or been even more cutscene-heavy to an astronomical degree. As he originally envisioned xenosaga, he would have been better off shion's arc, the "earth at the end of those 10,000 years" arc, and that mysterious final storyline as separate series/trilogies.

What he needs to do is pair up with someone who's a game developer first to properly square off his grand ideas with the industry sense to revive the idea as a series of games that sell well enough to keep momentum. That or abandon the videogame format entirely; the series never really makes use of gameplay as a narrative vessel so the story would support itself just fine as an anime franchise or some shit. just not witht he same production quality as the anime adaptation of episode 1.